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    Allegrippis / Raystown: which bike should I bring?

    Which would be more suited to the Allegrippis trails?

    26" FS bike (Nomad)

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    29er hardtail (Banshee w/ a big fork and big tires)


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    Re: Allegrippis / Raystown: which bike should I bring?

    Personal opinion, for me its more fun on a hardtail...

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    Is there one that is easier for you to pump on? I would take that. The more nimble of the two.

    I think some people treat some of the rollers at Raystown as doubles, if you are skilled enough to do so, take whichever bike enables you to get that rad, but basically you don't NEED full-squish there.
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    thanks for the replies.

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    They are flow trails, so momentum is key. I ran a 140mm and 160mm bike both pretty firm, but was riding that much travel for all the extras, like grip, brakes, dropper, etc. My normal bike is more of a climber. I think the ideal bike would be a slack and light 29er. You Paradox will be enough.
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    I ride Raystown on a bi-weekly basis on my 125mm FS. Tough call for you. If your FS was anything less than a 6" all mountain machine (like 140mm or less) , I'd say FS no doubt. I haven't ridden a hardtail since 2002, so kind of hard to relate to that. I see a lot of riders on HT's out there. Since your FS is a VPP (as is mine - SC TRC), it will be efficient on the short punchy climbs.

    If this is going to be your first time out there, I'd say bring the Nomad. As stated by others, Raystown is all about flow and keeping momentum. It's a fun network because the rollers and grade reversals offer endless jumping opportunities. You can either pump the rollers, pre-jump them, or treat them like jumps. Because of this, bring the Nomad and use that 6" of FS! Jumping the HT would take a toll on your body after a while, decreasing your mileage potential - not cool!

    A few trails have rock gardens, so the FS will come in handy. You'll be able to just blast through them on the Nomad.

    When riding Raystown, all I have to say is Osprey to Hydro (Hydro CCW). Stay off the brakes, and just grin all the way down to the lake overlook. You'll probably want to do another loop it's just that good.

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    I've had full susser there and hard tail 29er. No need for suspension there. On some of the trails it would be sweet to have your SC but for most hardtail with fat tires will be perfect. I've ridden there many times, its a great place to shred.

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    2-3 hrs to ride

    Quote Originally Posted by wi1trackrider View Post
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    When riding Raystown, all I have to say is Osprey to Hydro (Hydro CCW). Stay off the brakes, and just grin all the way down to the lake overlook. You'll probably want to do another loop it's just that good.
    I'll have about 2 or 3 hrs to ride.

    Including the Osprey to Hydro recommendation, what is the best 2-3 hour route?

    Best place to park?

    Thanks everyone for all the info!


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    Re: Allegrippis / Raystown: which bike should I bring?

    I rode there a few weeks ago on a slacked out hardtail - at no time did I think I should've brought a different bike
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    Would a rigid 29er SS do well there?

    36/18 gearing.

    I slapped some 2.35 Hans Dampf on it. Don't know what I was thinking but it rides real nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshhan View Post
    Would a rigid 29er SS do well there?

    36/18 gearing.

    I slapped some 2.35 Hans Dampf on it. Don't know what I was thinking but it rides real nice.
    Sounds like my buddy's setup. Salsa El Mariachi with a carbon Niner fork, with maybe even the same gearing. He tossed some new-style Conti Mountain Kings out for the Hans Dampfs and he's been loving it.

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    Yea I found Allegrippis to be more dependent on braking and grip than on travel. It's a fun place no matter what you ride, but thats because its fast and smooth, with exception of a few loose corners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by client_9 View Post
    I'll have about 2 or 3 hrs to ride.

    Including the Osprey to Hydro recommendation, what is the best 2-3 hour route?

    Best place to park?

    Thanks everyone for all the info!

    Park at the trailhead off Bakers Hollow Road. Believe it's called Allegrippis Trailhead. It's the main one. Ride route recommendation: Buck - Fawn - Osprey - Hydro CCW - Eagle - Switch (add in Sleek Dog CCW if looking for a bigger ride) - Doe - back to Buck for a short blast down to Allie - Grippis - Ridge to the lookout (vary obvious stopping point with beat up benches). Back the way you came on Ridge - Red Legs - Allie - Buck back to trailhead. That's about a 2hr. ride with a few short breaks taken. For some more miles suggest an out and back on Stony trail. Adds a quick 5 miles total, and another 30 minutes or so. It's fun both ways.

    Ray's Revenge is a great trail CW, but at this time of year it can be badly overgrown in sections and not very fun to ride. Also, if you commit to riding Rays, you're really out there, with no way to get off it. I'd also recommend staying off any of the trails south of Seven Points Road at this time of the year. Again, sections can be terribly grown over to the point that it feels like you are riding in a tunnel, and you'll end up heavily scratched forearms/biceps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshhan View Post
    Would a rigid 29er SS do well there?

    36/18 gearing.
    I can't speak to the gearing (but it's probably fine) but I've ridden a rigid 29er out there and it's great, just don't jump the wrong grade reversal and you'll be fine ... I did that a couple times and landing on the up-slope of the following reversal was kind of tough on my wrists and ankles.

    The HD should give you plenty of cornering grip though, very handy, and also slow you down a bit, also useful. For the most part out there maintaining velocity is not a challenge.

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    Was just there this past weekend. I took my new 130mm 29er. I've ridden it several times prior, but always on a HT. I didn't miss the HT at all and couldn't have asked for a more fun ride on this new squishy bike! One of my favorite rides is under 3 hours there and looks like this:

    Baker's Hollow Trailhead - Buck - Doe - Sleek Dog - Eagle - Ospry - Sidewinder - Left onto Ray's Revenge (short) - Left onto Berry Patch (short) - Locomotive - Red Legs - Allie - Buck - Trailhead

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    Rode it this past weekend on my 160mm Norco and never wished for a hardtail. We had a few guys on hardtail's and they seemed to have no issue's.
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    Ride both.

    I'm a local guy so I ride these trails a lot. Most of the guys around here ride hardtails or rigid. You'll have a lot of fun rolling along building up momentum on the 29er.

    I also have some friends who ride FS out there as well who seem to be grinning just as much as everyone else.

    If it were me I'd bring both bikes out on a weekend and ride one on Saturday and the other on Sunday.

    Enjoy the trails.
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    Good God I can't wait to ride here!

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    ride report

    So I rode it w/ my 26" FS bike.



    Yes it was overkill, but had a great time on those jumps.

    Amazing trails! So fast.

    I had Ardent tires set up tubeless (18psi front / 28psi rear) and I was just railing those turns.

    I def would've had more momentum on my 29er hardtail though.

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    Cool. Glad you liked it. The trails never get old. It may not be technical, but the challenge is staying off the brakes, and carrying as much momentum as possible through the turns and over the grade reversals.

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    Yep. I also met The Ancient One ... I think his name was Rob. He gave me a map.

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    Winding down the last hour at work then heading out to Raystown for the weekend. Taking my Pugs with a Larry up front and vee-8 out back. I expect it should work out pretty well. Won't be running as low pressure as I normally do for technical/rocky/rooty singletrack. Probably be running about 10psi up front, 12 in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onegearaddict View Post
    If it were me I'd bring both bikes out on a weekend and ride one on Saturday and the other on Sunday.
    That's one heck of an idea. I'll see how many friends are going up and see if it's possible to cram one more bike on the rack.
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    The leaves are starting to fall and things are fast but dry. I'm heading out again tomorrow morning, maybe our paths will cross.

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    What a great weekend out there. Weather was fantastic and trails were great. Had a group of 21 people and a good time was had by all.

    Not sure if you're one of the people we saw out there. Not too many people out there Saturday, but ton of people out there Sunday. Guess the park stuff was having a busy day Sunday bailing out riders.

    Unfortunately, one of the people they had to help was one of the guys in our group who had an ambulance ride courtesy of a tree. Very good rider too, just a fluke. Luckily he's all right, just some SERIOUS bruising on his leg...nothing broken.
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