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    Allegrippis / Raystown: which bike should I bring?

    Which would be more suited to the Allegrippis trails?

    26" FS bike (Nomad)

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    Re: Allegrippis / Raystown: which bike should I bring?

    Personal opinion, for me its more fun on a hardtail...

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    Is there one that is easier for you to pump on? I would take that. The more nimble of the two.

    I think some people treat some of the rollers at Raystown as doubles, if you are skilled enough to do so, take whichever bike enables you to get that rad, but basically you don't NEED full-squish there.
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    thanks for the replies.

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    They are flow trails, so momentum is key. I ran a 140mm and 160mm bike both pretty firm, but was riding that much travel for all the extras, like grip, brakes, dropper, etc. My normal bike is more of a climber. I think the ideal bike would be a slack and light 29er. You Paradox will be enough.
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    I ride Raystown on a bi-weekly basis on my 125mm FS. Tough call for you. If your FS was anything less than a 6" all mountain machine (like 140mm or less) , I'd say FS no doubt. I haven't ridden a hardtail since 2002, so kind of hard to relate to that. I see a lot of riders on HT's out there. Since your FS is a VPP (as is mine - SC TRC), it will be efficient on the short punchy climbs.

    If this is going to be your first time out there, I'd say bring the Nomad. As stated by others, Raystown is all about flow and keeping momentum. It's a fun network because the rollers and grade reversals offer endless jumping opportunities. You can either pump the rollers, pre-jump them, or treat them like jumps. Because of this, bring the Nomad and use that 6" of FS! Jumping the HT would take a toll on your body after a while, decreasing your mileage potential - not cool!

    A few trails have rock gardens, so the FS will come in handy. You'll be able to just blast through them on the Nomad.

    When riding Raystown, all I have to say is Osprey to Hydro (Hydro CCW). Stay off the brakes, and just grin all the way down to the lake overlook. You'll probably want to do another loop it's just that good.

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    I've had full susser there and hard tail 29er. No need for suspension there. On some of the trails it would be sweet to have your SC but for most hardtail with fat tires will be perfect. I've ridden there many times, its a great place to shred.

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    2-3 hrs to ride

    Quote Originally Posted by wi1trackrider View Post
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    When riding Raystown, all I have to say is Osprey to Hydro (Hydro CCW). Stay off the brakes, and just grin all the way down to the lake overlook. You'll probably want to do another loop it's just that good.
    I'll have about 2 or 3 hrs to ride.

    Including the Osprey to Hydro recommendation, what is the best 2-3 hour route?

    Best place to park?

    Thanks everyone for all the info!


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    Re: Allegrippis / Raystown: which bike should I bring?

    I rode there a few weeks ago on a slacked out hardtail - at no time did I think I should've brought a different bike
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    Would a rigid 29er SS do well there?

    36/18 gearing.

    I slapped some 2.35 Hans Dampf on it. Don't know what I was thinking but it rides real nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshhan View Post
    Would a rigid 29er SS do well there?

    36/18 gearing.

    I slapped some 2.35 Hans Dampf on it. Don't know what I was thinking but it rides real nice.
    Sounds like my buddy's setup. Salsa El Mariachi with a carbon Niner fork, with maybe even the same gearing. He tossed some new-style Conti Mountain Kings out for the Hans Dampfs and he's been loving it.

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    Yea I found Allegrippis to be more dependent on braking and grip than on travel. It's a fun place no matter what you ride, but thats because its fast and smooth, with exception of a few loose corners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by client_9 View Post
    I'll have about 2 or 3 hrs to ride.

    Including the Osprey to Hydro recommendation, what is the best 2-3 hour route?

    Best place to park?

    Thanks everyone for all the info!

    Park at the trailhead off Bakers Hollow Road. Believe it's called Allegrippis Trailhead. It's the main one. Ride route recommendation: Buck - Fawn - Osprey - Hydro CCW - Eagle - Switch (add in Sleek Dog CCW if looking for a bigger ride) - Doe - back to Buck for a short blast down to Allie - Grippis - Ridge to the lookout (vary obvious stopping point with beat up benches). Back the way you came on Ridge - Red Legs - Allie - Buck back to trailhead. That's about a 2hr. ride with a few short breaks taken. For some more miles suggest an out and back on Stony trail. Adds a quick 5 miles total, and another 30 minutes or so. It's fun both ways.

    Ray's Revenge is a great trail CW, but at this time of year it can be badly overgrown in sections and not very fun to ride. Also, if you commit to riding Rays, you're really out there, with no way to get off it. I'd also recommend staying off any of the trails south of Seven Points Road at this time of the year. Again, sections can be terribly grown over to the point that it feels like you are riding in a tunnel, and you'll end up heavily scratched forearms/biceps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshhan View Post
    Would a rigid 29er SS do well there?

    36/18 gearing.
    I can't speak to the gearing (but it's probably fine) but I've ridden a rigid 29er out there and it's great, just don't jump the wrong grade reversal and you'll be fine ... I did that a couple times and landing on the up-slope of the following reversal was kind of tough on my wrists and ankles.

    The HD should give you plenty of cornering grip though, very handy, and also slow you down a bit, also useful. For the most part out there maintaining velocity is not a challenge.

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    Was just there this past weekend. I took my new 130mm 29er. I've ridden it several times prior, but always on a HT. I didn't miss the HT at all and couldn't have asked for a more fun ride on this new squishy bike! One of my favorite rides is under 3 hours there and looks like this:

    Baker's Hollow Trailhead - Buck - Doe - Sleek Dog - Eagle - Ospry - Sidewinder - Left onto Ray's Revenge (short) - Left onto Berry Patch (short) - Locomotive - Red Legs - Allie - Buck - Trailhead

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    Rode it this past weekend on my 160mm Norco and never wished for a hardtail. We had a few guys on hardtail's and they seemed to have no issue's.
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    Ride both.

    I'm a local guy so I ride these trails a lot. Most of the guys around here ride hardtails or rigid. You'll have a lot of fun rolling along building up momentum on the 29er.

    I also have some friends who ride FS out there as well who seem to be grinning just as much as everyone else.

    If it were me I'd bring both bikes out on a weekend and ride one on Saturday and the other on Sunday.

    Enjoy the trails.
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    Good God I can't wait to ride here!

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    ride report

    So I rode it w/ my 26" FS bike.



    Yes it was overkill, but had a great time on those jumps.

    Amazing trails! So fast.

    I had Ardent tires set up tubeless (18psi front / 28psi rear) and I was just railing those turns.

    I def would've had more momentum on my 29er hardtail though.

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    Cool. Glad you liked it. The trails never get old. It may not be technical, but the challenge is staying off the brakes, and carrying as much momentum as possible through the turns and over the grade reversals.

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    Yep. I also met The Ancient One ... I think his name was Rob. He gave me a map.

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    Winding down the last hour at work then heading out to Raystown for the weekend. Taking my Pugs with a Larry up front and vee-8 out back. I expect it should work out pretty well. Won't be running as low pressure as I normally do for technical/rocky/rooty singletrack. Probably be running about 10psi up front, 12 in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onegearaddict View Post
    If it were me I'd bring both bikes out on a weekend and ride one on Saturday and the other on Sunday.
    That's one heck of an idea. I'll see how many friends are going up and see if it's possible to cram one more bike on the rack.
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    The leaves are starting to fall and things are fast but dry. I'm heading out again tomorrow morning, maybe our paths will cross.

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    What a great weekend out there. Weather was fantastic and trails were great. Had a group of 21 people and a good time was had by all.

    Not sure if you're one of the people we saw out there. Not too many people out there Saturday, but ton of people out there Sunday. Guess the park stuff was having a busy day Sunday bailing out riders.

    Unfortunately, one of the people they had to help was one of the guys in our group who had an ambulance ride courtesy of a tree. Very good rider too, just a fluke. Luckily he's all right, just some SERIOUS bruising on his leg...nothing broken.
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    Glad you and your crew had a good ride. I got on the trails Saturday around 9:30 and rode Rays/Hydro/Eagle/Sleek and didn't see a single rider and very few people were out on the lake. I guess the season is officially winding down. I'm looking forward to watching the leaves change and catching the views once all the leaves have fallen.

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    I was there Friday and only saw 2 other people out riding. The weather was purr-fect!

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/svenschulz/9711736780/" title="Allegrippis by Sven98, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5467/9711736780_4ea79414ec_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="Allegrippis"></a>
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    Nice steely!

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    Any suggestions regarding other places worth visiting that are like the amazing trails at Raystown? Fast, Flowy, and FUN!!!

    Or, is this the best riding in the universe?

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    If you find any be sure to let me know.

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    There will be...soon!

    Quote Originally Posted by onegearaddict View Post
    If you find any be sure to let me know.
    There is a new set of IMBA trails going in and around Quemahoning Reservoir in Somerset County near the towns of Boswell and Davidsville. Trying to find info as to there status is difficult, but I have a B.I.L. whose neighbor is the director of this project(can't remember his name), and we were just discussing these trails while riding Black Moshannon this weekend. Ground breaking has started !!! I've also heard it will be Allegrippis on steroids, offer many more miles as well as a few trails with just as much speed but far more technicality. I have yet to directly contact someone at LHORBA for first person confirmation, but plan to to offer some volunteer time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMoBomber View Post
    There is a new set of IMBA trails going in and around Quemahoning Reservoir in Somerset County near the towns of Boswell and Davidsville. Trying to find info as to there status is difficult, but I have a B.I.L. whose neighbor is the director of this project(can't remember his name), and we were just discussing these trails while riding Black Moshannon this weekend. Ground breaking has started !!! I've also heard it will be Allegrippis on steroids, offer many more miles as well as a few trails with just as much speed but far more technicality. I have yet to directly contact someone at LHORBA for first person confirmation, but plan to to offer some volunteer time.

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    Found this, but nothing more recent:
    Pedal plans: Bicycling group gets OK to build trails » Local News » The Tribune Democrat, Johnstown, PA


    Don't see any info on LHORBA's site, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMoBomber View Post
    There is a new set of IMBA trails going in and around Quemahoning Reservoir in Somerset County near the towns of Boswell and Davidsville.
    Oooooooohhhhhhh.... Definitely keep us posted!

    If these trails turn out to be like the spawn of Frick Park (in Pittsburgh) and Allegrippis, I may just have to move there!

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    Cool to hear all the positive comments about Allegrippis. I'll be up there with a crew of 5 on Sat and Sun of next week (Oct 5 and 6.) We're making the trip from the Baltimore area because we've heard the trails are just that good. I'm really looking forward to experiencing them firsthand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Bye View Post
    Cool to hear all the positive comments about Allegrippis. I'll be up there with a crew of 5 on Sat and Sun of next week (Oct 5 and 6.) We're making the trip from the Baltimore area because we've heard the trails are just that good. I'm really looking forward to experiencing them firsthand!
    They really are that awesome. I've taken a bunch of people out there and everyone has always had a great time. Even people that prefer rocky, rooty, technical singletrack can't help but having a great time. Its hard to not have fun when you're moving so fast, pumping up and down trails, airing it out, etc.
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    NICE! That's what we're looking for. The trails we ride the majority of the time are mostly technical, rocky and rooty with a lot of climbing. Fast and flowing is what we're craving!
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    You will not be disappointed.

    If FLOW is what you crave, may I suggest (from the parking area):

    Buck>Allie>Grippis>Ridge>Rays Revenge>Sidewinder>Left on Osprey>Hydro Loop counter clockwise -- which is perhaps the ultimate flow, with some climb at the end. Clockwise is fun too, but a bit less flowy since you're doing a gradual climb up the good flow section if you go CCW.

    Getting back up from the bench at Hydro, we generally take Eagle>Sleek Dog (if you have legs and want a workout) or Switch (if not).

    THEN

    Easiest: Doe>Buck>Parking

    OR

    If you don't mind some climb in exchange for more flowy fun: Fawn>Buck

    Allegrippis Trails (Raystown) with parking off Baker's Hollow Rd. - Blown up. - The-Ancient-One's Photos | SmugMug

    Then, there is the South Side:Allegrippis Trails (Raystown) with parking off Baker's Hollow Rd. - Blown up. - The-Ancient-One's Photos | SmugMug

    Others suggested routes?

    ps... to fully enjoy all the kickers, you are advised to bring a seatbelt -- and possibly a parachute.

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    I agree with most of what dcelento said, with the exception of which why to ride Hydro...

    Myself and everyone I've taken out actually prefers riding it clockwise. (start on the left after coming down Osprey..)

    If you ride it CCW, you end up doing a lot more climbing. CW you get a much better downhill rip, and the climb back up to Eagle is much easier and flowier.

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    jcaino makes a good point about the climb at the end of Hydro when running it CCW.

    I initially rode Hydro clockwise, as jcaino suggest, religiously. Loved it. Then, I heard the tip about riding it CCW and I don't think I'll ever go back to CW. For me, the climb at the end of the CCW ride is the worth the ear-splitting flow-inspired grins for the first 3/4 of the trail!

    Honestly, you can't go wrong either way. RIDE IT BOTH WAYS!

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    Awesome! Thanks so much for this info. Yeah, I'm guessing we're gonna to ride it both ways!
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    Hydro - CCW. CW doesn't even compare.
    Rays Revenge - CW to get the most out of the downhills heading out from the overlook. CCW for more gradual downhill riding from Sidewinder, but the climbs at the end of the loop to get to the overlook blow.
    Sleek Dog - CCW. CW results in more climbing (it's not a full loop trail).
    Allegheny - CCW by a hair over CW. Don't ride it much to get a real good feel as it's a jungle from June-August.

    Plan on riding Raystown this weekend before the leaves start littering up the trails. Should be dry and fast!

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    I must confess; I like Hydro equally in either direction. CW starts out really fast then evens out and turns into a nice gradual climb out which works well for me on a SS.

    I'm habitually out there on Saturday mornings if anyone wants to link up for a ride.

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    I did the 2hr 40min drive this morning for my first ride At Allegrippis/ Raystown. HOLY SHIT this place is fast. Great ride , very well planed out and maintained. And thanks to everyone for the trail suggestions. I did .... Buck, Allie, Ridge, Rays (loved it), sidewinder, hydro (ccw) , Eagle, Switch, and Doe. 15 miles total, can't wait to go back.

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    Allegrippis / Raystown: which bike should I bring?

    I'm surprised that folks don't talk up the south loops more. I had a day to explore the North and another day in the South, and they both were a blast. South seemed techier in places, and the climbs out of the valley on Dark Hollow were killer. Both are worth exploring, and I can't wait to make another trip.

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    Nice day, right? We were there too on Saturday. It's fun seeing the leaves change. Fast and dry. :-)

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    I can't wait for this weekend! I'm driving up separately from a friend and was told to meet at the Susquehannock trailhead, is that the same as the parking area off of Bakers Hollow Road? Thanks for assistance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Bye View Post
    I can't wait for this weekend! I'm driving up separately from a friend and was told to meet at the Susquehannock trailhead, is that the same as the parking area off of Bakers Hollow Road? Thanks for assistance
    That is most likely what the mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisInYpsi View Post
    I'm surprised that folks don't talk up the south loops more. I had a day to explore the North and another day in the South, and they both were a blast. South seemed techier in places, and the climbs out of the valley on Dark Hollow were killer. Both are worth exploring, and I can't wait to make another trip.
    I agree. I rode that first the last time I was there and was literally laughing out loud as I flowed and pumped through the hills. I liked one section so much I turned around and rode it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    I agree. I rode that first the last time I was there and was literally laughing out loud as I flowed and pumped through the hills. I liked one section so much I turned around and rode it again.
    Does anyone have a recommended route or trail direction they prefer on the south side?

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    The "South" trails are just two loops with a couple of connecting trails. If you park at the lot on Bakers, take Stoney down then Dark Hollow/Barrel Bay/Allegheny/Shade/ and then back up Dark Hollow and ride Stoney back. Think it's around 15-17 miles off the top of my head.

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