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    7 spring and others?

    Ok, I know, I know, there is a post about "when is 7 springs opening..."
    So, any one know anthing yet?
    And is there any other place for freeride / down hill in westren PA that I should know about?

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    7 Springs DH trail and bike rentals always open Memorial Weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    7 Springs DH trail and bike rentals always open Memorial Weekend.
    Always? As in this will be the first year they are open for the whole summer and now will always open on Memorial Day Weekend?

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    The bike rentals and basically, most summer activities have always opened Memorial weekend. Being a place full of employees who can't stand change, I don't forsee this ever changing. This isn't their first summer for MTB'ing, they've had it for years. It's just their first summer for a full DH season (I use that term loosely since there is only 1 DH trail).

    Besides, the place is literally a ghost town until that weekend, so they won't pay the employees to open that stuff up and run lifts until the summer tourist season opens...on Memorial weekend.

    You can go ride XC all you want, it's unstaffed and currently open now that ski season is over and the fire roads have been plowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    The bike rentals and basically, most summer activities have always opened Memorial weekend. Being a place full of employees who can't stand change, I don't forsee this ever changing. This isn't their first summer for MTB'ing, they've had it for years. It's just their first summer for a full DH season (I use that term loosely since there is only 1 DH trail).

    Besides, the place is literally a ghost town until that weekend, so they won't pay the employees to open that stuff up and run lifts until the summer tourist season opens...on Memorial weekend.

    You can go ride XC all you want, it's unstaffed and currently open now that ski season is over and the fire roads have been plowed.
    Cool, thanks for the info, sorry if I came off a bit surry, I hear that they going to build like 3 more DH/FR trails.

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    This year? I'll believe it when I see it. Trust me when I say MTB'ing is the last priority on their list. I know first hand.

    I hope they do though, I have a season pass for the lifts. I'd like to be able to use it.

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    TRG thats a real shame as that place has such potential to be a great DH/FR resort.

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    Yeah, I know.

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    Would a season pass work for MTB'ing ???

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    A ski pass? No.

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    opening day

    Has anyone heard confirmation as to whether 7Springs downhill opens Memorial Day? Not a word on their website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    Has anyone heard confirmation as to whether 7Springs downhill opens Memorial Day? Not a word on their website.
    I called them yesterday, they hold me they will be open for MD for weekends only and july 4th they will be open 7 days a week. And they guy said they want to put in 2 more trails, and maybe a 3rd... we'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitzer
    IAnd they guy said they want to put in 2 more trails, and maybe a 3rd... we'll see...
    Wait, what?

    They want to put in 2 or 3 more trails? As in, they haven't started working on them yet?

    That's pretty disappointing. It really does sound like DH is low on their priority list. I doubt it's worth it to drop $20 on a lift ticket to ride one trail. I was hoping that that resort was going to be a nice, closer alternative to driving to Diablo or Snowshoe, I guess that's not going to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    Wait, what?

    They want to put in 2 or 3 more trails? As in, they haven't started working on them yet?
    Yep. They are too worried about clay shooting and guided fly fishing....in ponds.

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    The Wisp in Deep Creek Maryland has a DH course,lift ,and alot of trails.Check out the vid on www.sicklines.com.On the left click courses.I'm going to try and get up there this summer.

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    Timberline is also getting (back) in the game.

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    idiots

    I'm still amazed that they're opening DH in a week, yet 7Springs has nothing on the website. Is clay shooting really that lucrative? Or do these bumpkins just not realize that mountain biking pumps $22 million into the local economy of Whistler, for example? That's a rhetorical question, obviously.

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    Brainbckt, you just summed it up from your title to the final period.

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    I too feel like these guys are really missing out on something. There has been so much talk from other mountains in PA to get downhill biking up and running, and for them I understand there are most likely many things we don't understand involved in making that happen. But 7 Springs ALREADY HAS their lifts spinning during these summer months, that seems like one of the big sticking points for the start up mountains. Not to mention an overall nice resort already in place. Just build more trails and the people will no doubt come your way.
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    It's highly unlikely it will open this weekend. Instead of working on the trail as soon as possible, they waited until the last minute and have been rained out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    It's highly unlikely it will open this weekend. Instead of working on the trail as soon as possible, they waited until the last minute and have been rained out.
    I just looked at their webcam and it looks like the tabletops at the base of wagner slope are built. So they might be able to get things going this weekend.

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    I was wondering??? What kind of bikes are you guys riding at Seven Springs and the other resorts as far as travel goes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keith13
    I was wondering??? What kind of bikes are you guys riding at Seven Springs and the other resorts as far as travel goes?
    I have a big hit 2 ( 7 1/2" suspension)
    I was riding with 4" of suspension last year but I blew out both my front and rear shocks and decided to upgrade..
    You could probably get away with 5 or 6" at seven springs.

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    Looks like I was way off.
    I just looked at 7 springs website.
    It says that they are gearing up to start building their trails.
    They don't have any dates listed for trail openings.
    ( i guess they were still hoping for snow)

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    Frankly, I think they were debating wheter or not to spend the money. Maybe Hidden Valley's efforts motivated them.

    Oh well, better late than never. I am fired up now. Glad I bought the Stinky D last month! I thought i was going to have to road trip to Wisp...

    I am glad to see they hired professionals as well.

    Sweet picture of Gordy sending it on the web site:

    http://www.7springs.com/page/categor...Bike_Park.html

    See you on the hill.

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    Ehhh....

    Still not holding my breath. I guess we'll be going to LM this holiday weekend instead of trying the DH as planned.

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    TRG- I am totally with you. I will believe it when I see it.

    There is cause for optimism though- Judd Devall is involved.

    According to some of the guys who have been around for a while, Judd Devall is pretty serious his business, and 7 springs is the first major resort I know of to hire his newly formed trail design company- Alpine trail design. he was with IMBA when he did the 1st trail @ the springs. Lets hope he uses our little mountains as a canvas for a great network of trails.

    What day are you heading to laurel. We are at White Mtn all weekend. Give us a call...

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    Saturday or Sunday, if not both. I'll call you tomorrow once I talk to everyone and figure things out.

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    This weekend might call for a scouting expedition at the Valley one of those two days.

    DR, how's the trail scouting going? Up for leading us around HV Saturday or Sunday?

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    7springs

    Sounds like they're moving ahead, but the fact that their website says "starting" trails is not very encouraging.

    As to the bike question a couple of posts back, I rode my Heckler (5") on the 7Springs DH last year and would have liked a little more bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    Sounds like they're moving ahead, but the fact that their website says "starting" trails is not very encouraging.

    As to the bike question a couple of posts back, I rode my Heckler (5") on the 7Springs DH last year and would have liked a little more bike.
    Sounds good, I am moving to PA this August and I am bringing my Heckler with me. It is one of the newer models with 150 mm in the rear and I am probably going to get a pike on it soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian A
    TRG- I am totally with you. I will believe it when I see it.

    What day are you heading to laurel. We are at White Mtn all weekend. Give us a call...
    Sorry to go off topic, but this White Mountain you speak of, is it the defunct ski area just to the west of 7 Springs north face? The one above Pritts Distillery Road?

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    Yes.

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    I called 7 springs this morning and they told me there should be 1 trail ready for next weekend (5-31-08)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    This year? I'll believe it when I see it. Trust me when I say MTB'ing is the last priority on their list. I know first hand.

    I hope they do though, I have a season pass for the lifts. I'd like to be able to use it.
    Well if you go down there you will see it they have started the other three trails and heard they will be done in june.

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    Same White Mtn

    I have a house in the village. we ride from there a lot.

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    7 springs gravity trail opens this weekend http://7springs.com/page/calendars.d...event/489.html . I wonder how much they will discount the tickets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob-Bob
    7 springs gravity trail opens this weekend http://7springs.com/page/calendars.d...event/489.html . I wonder how much they will discount the tickets?
    I wonder too. $29 is very steep for lift access to one downhill trail.

    The fact that Seven Springs brought in a design team sounds promising. I look forward to seeing how this develops.

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    Indeed, Snowshoe is $39 for a Bike Park AND a full complement of downhill trails on their Western Territory, with a hell of a lot more vertical. I also have to compare Snowshoe's $279 season pass (which includes a $20 credit for the bike shop and 1 free race entry) to 7Springs' $199. Still, I'll be checking out 7Springs on Sunday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    Indeed, Snowshoe is $39 for a Bike Park AND a full complement of downhill trails on their Western Territory, with a hell of a lot more vertical. I also have to compare Snowshoe's $279 season pass (which includes a $20 credit for the bike shop and 1 free race entry) to 7Springs' $199. Still, I'll be checking out 7Springs on Sunday...
    I'll be out on sunday, I'll be on a Norco Shore and with 2 guys on King Fishers.

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    COME UP TO THE MOUNTAIN
    SEVEN SPRINGS MOUNTAIN RESORT

    Seven Springs Mountain Resort Opens Bike Park for 2008 Season
    11 a.m., Sat., May 31, 2008

    Seven Springs Mountain Resort will open the Seven Springs Bike Park on Sat., May 31, 2008. Bike park staff is currently prepping last season’s “Trail-007” with lofty goals for park expansion during the 2008 season.

    With a successful inaugural year complete, the resort will expand the bike park and provide more events and services to mountain biking guests by adding both machine-built and hand-built trails to give riders more trail variety, mileage and challenge. Additionally, Seven Springs will establish a bike shop and a bike park yurt, where riders can chill and spend time with their friends after a run through the park.

    Seven Springs has contracted the consulting and construction services of Alpine Bike Parks, LLC, to assist in the park’s development. Alpine’s pro-level designer/builders include Eric Carter (Mongoose/SRAM/Kenda), Randy Spangler (Santa Cruz/Marzocchi/Oakley), as well as former pro rider Judd de Vall.

    “The trails at the Seven Springs Bike Park are all about flow,” says project manager Judd de Vall. “We want to build a diversity of trails that will provide an exceptional experience for a broad range of riders, from first-timers to experts. Some of our trails will be extremely challenging, but we also want to communicate that lift-accessed trails aren’t just for hardcore downhillers,” added de Vall. “Meandering, lift-serviced trails are a perfect experience for families who are looking for a way to ride together without long climbs. The trails can be an especially good way to introduce family members and children to our favorite summer experience.”

    The park will be open 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. on the following schedule:
    May 30 to June 27: Weekends only
    June 28 to Sept. 1: Daily
    Sept. 2 to Oct. 26: Weekends and Holidays

    Daily park passes are priced at $29 with discounted passes available for the month of June. However, passes for this weekend, May 31 and June 1, will be $15 each. Season Passes are priced at $199. Kona mountain bikes and Fox Racing protective gear are available for rental. For more information, please visit www.7springs.com

    WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN!
    SEVEN SPRINGS MOUNTAIN RESORT

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    Nitzer, I think I saw your bike when I was waiting on the lift. Purple Shore? I rented one of those babies in Whistler.

    If anyone is interested, the one 7Springs trail that's open is pretty similar to last year (except, unfortunately, they don't have the big table top and double at the bottom of the hill). No fun to ride wet, but pretty good flow when it dries out. Like last year, they didn't build the banked turns high enough on the section with multiple switchbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    Nitzer, I think I saw your bike when I was waiting on the lift. Purple Shore? I rented one of those babies in Whistler.

    If anyone is interested, the one 7Springs trail that's open is pretty similar to last year (except, unfortunately, they don't have the big table top and double at the bottom of the hill). No fun to ride wet, but pretty good flow when it dries out. Like last year, they didn't build the banked turns high enough on the section with multiple switchbacks.
    Yep, that was mine!

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    was at 7 Springs this weekend, looks like they have 2 more trails roughed in.
    I talked to the trail builders and it looks like they want to have them finished before July 4th. weekend. One of the new trails they are building is going to be a more natural downhill trail with rock gardens and maybe a couple of ladder bridges. They are also going to move where you finish the existing trail up the hill and put in a couple of features. They want to be able to leave all the features they are building up during the winter months so they can open earlier next season. Sounds promising.

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    Despite the pessimism about 7 Springs in this thread (myself included) it looks like they're really starting to put things together over there. Anyone here been up there recently?

    Info from this thread.

    First:

    July 11/12 their offering FREE lift tickets and bike demos. More info here.

    Additional trails seem to be popping up, with more in the works. I like the looks of things:



    Cool ladder/rock drop:

    <embed width="448" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" src="http://i139.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid139.photobucket.com/albums/q283/blueprophetrider/lastthree.flv">

    I can't wait to see what this place ends up looking like by the end of the summer.

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    Hey all, I'm planning on heading out there this weekend. This will be my first time at a downhill resort. Do I need to buy a full face helmet? I have a 2005 heckler, is that enough bike for this resort?

    How do I get my bike on the lift? Thanks!!

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    Friends of mine make up a good portion of the trail crew and they are busting @$$ to get the trails in shape for riding. Hopefully everyone jumps on the 7 springs bandwagon b/c they are doing a great job of putting in QUALITY trails. By next year it wont even be worth driving to snowshoe at 8.95 a gallon for gas.

    as for the other post; yeah your heckler will be fine. as for helmet; no you dont have to have a full face it is all relative to how fast you go and how far you jump or drop. a hardshell dj helmet wouldnt hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by defcon4

    as for the other post; yeah your heckler will be fine. as for helmet; no you dont have to have a full face it is all relative to how fast you go and how far you jump or drop. a hardshell dj helmet wouldnt hurt.

    i'll be pretty agressive. I've done a lot of freeriding all over the country but never any DH. Maybe a DJ helmet or full face is worth it. How do I get my bike on the lift? I don't want to seem like an idiot when I get there.

    I have a MX helmet I use on my dirt motor. Are the the same as a full face MTB helmet?

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    You can either hand your bike to the lift operator and they will load it for you on a chair behind you, or you can take it on the chair you're riding in by putting the rear wheel over the back of the chair. I've found that if you have a large bike, the latter method is a little awkward.

    I rode my 2003 Heckler at 7Springs. Worked fine, although I now have a Bullit, which is better suited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    You can either hand your bike to the lift operator and they will load it for you on a chair behind you, or you can take it on the chair you're riding in by putting the rear wheel over the back of the chair. I've found that if you have a large bike, the latter method is a little awkward.

    I rode my 2003 Heckler at 7Springs. Worked fine, although I now have a Bullit, which is better suited.
    I have a new style Heckler with the RP23 on the back and I am considering taking it to 7springs when I move out here, and I was wondering if you had a DHX-coiled shock on the rear of the Heckler and how do you like your Bullit?
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    heckler

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    sending you a pm. i may have a cheap coil option for you once you get to PA.. beats buying a new dhx till you see if you really want a coil.



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    Keith13, responding to your question, I've got a 5th Element shock on the Heckler.

    Love the Bullit. Bought it for freeride and dowhill (built up with a Boxxer fork).

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    is an 08 rockhopper disk going to be enough bike to survive the weekend or would i be better renting a bike from the shop???

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    That's a hardtail, right? I'd definitely go with a rental. If you're unsure, the shop is right next to the lift, so you could take a run or two on the Rockhopper and if it isn't working for you, you could go ahead and rent.

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    Not exactly "western" PA but I canít believe nobody mentioned Ski Denton near Galeton. Lift accessed DH with a decent variety of trails.
    I always have a blast there. I easily enjoy that place as much as Wisp.
    People wait for me on the way up. I wait for them on the way down.

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    I'm considering taking my Jamis komodo out to 7springs today. Its a Freeride hardtail with a 160mm fork on it. I'll be interested to see how it handles it. Anyone have any input?

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    Your Komodo should be fine on most of the trails
    Some of the rocky sections in the expert trail might give you some headaches though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob-Bob
    Your Komodo should be fine on most of the trails
    Some of the rocky sections in the expert trail might give you some headaches though.

    Cool, are there any mandatory drops on any of the trails?

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    cant say for sure.
    I was there 2 weekends ago and only half of the expert trail was open.
    But when i spoke to some of the trail builders they said there weren't going to be any stunts that you could not ride around or over at slow speed.

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    There is a ladder bridge with a rock drop that appears in the 7Springs website pic and has popped up in a video on this site. Does anyone know if this section is open? I was there yesterday and didn't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    There is a ladder bridge with a rock drop that appears in the 7Springs website pic and has popped up in a video on this site. Does anyone know if this section is open? I was there yesterday and didn't see it.
    I was there too and didn't see it either, but one of the guys working down in the shop said there were sections that were not open. Hopefully things will dry out this week and everything they've got will be open next weekend.

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    not sure if it is completely open yet, but it is off the trail that goes straight past upper EC1. there was caution tape up when we were testing the run. there may be a few twists and turns but the rock drop is a few hundred feet after the merge point on 007 and EC1. right after you come out of the woods.

    ON another note there should be a SEASONS viewing party Saturday night at the Foggy Goggle. I dont have a time yet, but it sounds like that was going to happen sometime after the riding day was done. I will post up some more details when I get them.

    seasons should be around 8pm at the bar.
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    This will be my first time at a resort. Can bikes be kept in our hotel room or do they have a system in place for storage like a coat check?

    Also, are there any trail maps floating around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by one incredible donkey
    This will be my first time at a resort. Can bikes be kept in our hotel room or do they have a system in place for storage like a coat check?

    Also, are there any trail maps floating around?
    You'd probably have to ask the resort hotel directly about bringing bikes into the rooms (or don't ask and just do it ). I've done a couple of dozen times in other hotels and it hasn't been an issue.

    I asked for a trail map when we purchased tickets and they said they didn't have one. But you don't really need one, either, it'd be really tough to get lost and the trails are well labeled. All the trails start from essentially the same point and branch out (and in some cases back together). The beginner trail and 007 start at the same spot and Upper EC1 branches off of 007. The other trails that we rode branch off of 007 and EC1. If they open up more trails this weekend there may be more options.

    There are also some XC trails, I believe I have a file of that map stashed away somewhere, PM me if your interested in having it.

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    Thanks for the info. I was planning on just bringing my bike to the room but I didn't want to if they provide secure facilities.

    It's good to know the routes aren't too tricky. I just don't want to miss anything fun

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    Given that they have just remodeled the rooms and as far as I can tell, access is via lobby/elevator (vs. direct access to the room from outside), I'm guessing trying to get a bike into the lodge will be a dicey proposition. I'd start with the bike shop...they may have storage space set aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian A
    Frankly, I think they were debating wheter or not to spend the money. Maybe Hidden Valley's efforts motivated them.

    Oh well, better late than never. I am fired up now. Glad I bought the Stinky D last month! I thought i was going to have to road trip to Wisp...

    I am glad to see they hired professionals as well.

    Sweet picture of Gordy sending it on the web site:

    http://www.7springs.com/page/categor...Bike_Park.html

    See you on the hill.
    Well, it looks as if you'll have a place to ride that stinky. I'm sure you've heard or read the news by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    Given that they have just remodeled the rooms and as far as I can tell, access is via lobby/elevator (vs. direct access to the room from outside), I'm guessing trying to get a bike into the lodge will be a dicey proposition. I'd start with the bike shop...they may have storage space set aside.
    I'll hide mine under my shirt....
    Or just bring some rope and hoist it upto your room!

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    Hey, anyone know anything about Hidden Valley opening a bike park too?
    I just had a guy in my shop tell they are! And then I found this!
    http://gallery.mtbr.com/showgallery....391110/cat/500

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    First person video of Seven Springs from Fourth of July weekend is posted. 007 to EC1

    http://www.sicklines.com/courses/pen...springs_course

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