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    Would you buy a non-huck DVD?

    It seems like a lot of people on this board make there own videos and post them on this forum, so I hope everyone can give me a little persepctive. Would you be willing to purchase a mountain bike dvd that focused on the spirt of epic mountain bike rides and flowing and technical singletrack instead of creating a hucking mountain bike video similar to what has been so popular lately. A local filming company has contacted me about creating a mountain bike video in Idaho and I think a well done non-huck video would sell just as well if properly done. Can it make money? Would you buy it?

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    Its probably the only one I'd buy

    After a while, watching people "go big" is boring. Same old shots. I'd love to see something that actually captured the spirit like some of the great Roadie movies from the past. I'm waiting for the DVD on Off Road to Athens. It looks interesting though I have as much in common with elite racers as I do with the Red Bull Rampage. I suppose I have more in common with them than people who try to make their bikes into gliders.

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    Yeah...I bought The Collective

    Make something similar to that or focusing more on the ride, the trail, and less on the huck.

    It also needs to be on trails that we can go ride or dream of riding. For example in "The Collective" they ride these hills in Maui. Those weren't trails! However Maui does have a string of trails that extend from the very top of Haleakala to Poli-Poli State Park. The're not connected to each other real well, but can be hoofed from one to the other.

    The Big Island has a killer collection of trails, but you have to find them. Also UT, VT, Pisgah, NorCal, and OR could have coverage about "the ride". Do an average rider's perspective of Whistler Mountain Bike Park (I'm talking the trails, helmet cam, carving the corners).

    Do coverage of other parks like Keystone. I understand Keystone is pretty good in the summer - haven't been there when its green - don't know.

    thatz my $0.02
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    what rev-b said. it would be very refreshing to see some nice xc video. i could actually care less about jumps and the like.

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    Yeah, I usually skip through the dirt jumping anyways. I can't identify with that style of riding (yet)

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    Not that it helps you, but my favorite are race vids..Trans Contanental, Synopsis...

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    I already did

    Cascade Cream Puff 10th Aniversery DVD.

    http://www.backcountryproductions.com/CCPDVD.html

    Lots of helmet-cam shots of flowing singletrack through the forest. It felt like I was racing it myself, only faster (must be a camera lens effect).

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    Yes, if I was to buy a DVD, a non-huch DVD would be great. As the others have said, you can only watch so many hucks before they all look the same. Good fast singletrack is fun to watch.

    But, I don't buy bike DVD's. So I guess the answer is 'No.'

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    I used to love "Tread" when it first came out - I really like "The Collective" now, and agree with the above poster that it would be good to see a bike video about "the ride" - I do think that it would have to be very well put together to be successful though (good music, videography, incorporation of rider perspectives, etc...) I also think that you should include highly technical and other aspects of riding and not solely XC riding / racing - I own "Earthed", and while I do like the video, it gets boring watching a bunch of racers rip DH. Not sure if that helps any but...

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    You know, I was just about to make a post about whether such a video was available. I'd like to get a mountain bike vid, but I don't want to get just a bunch of shots of people downhilling or going big set to angry music. I'm looking for the mtb equivelent of a Warren Miller ski movie, or the "Step into liquid" surf movie. It would have some go fast/go big stuff, but it would also have lots of regular people and unique and interesting locations, with a bit of humor put in as well. Music would be, for the most part, more mellow and "flowie" (e.g. Sam Roberts, Jack Johnson). Such a video would really make the average guy want to go out and ride.

    For such a video to work, narration, production value and cinematography must be very good as in "Step Into Liquid" or a Warren Miller movie. I'm not going to buy a video consisting of nothing but video clips.

    So, does anybody know if there is anything similar to this out there today?

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    No Huck for me

    Like all, I enjoy seeing a big huck or two where you wonder how the guy survives. (Of course, I also got the DH crash DVD that has a lot of pain.) I got the Collective, but didn't enjoy it that much - gets old after a few stunts. I also can't relate. It's more like going to the circus and being amazed. It's only good a couple times.

    I much more enjoy rides of flowing singletrack with mild technical such as logs, drops, rocks, etc. I like to see how other riders handle the terrain and enjoy the flow. I also love biking in great mountain scenery.

    The MOST AMAZING bike video clip I ever saw was early in an IMAX Everest movie. They mounted an IMAX projector on the biker's head (who was a climber getting in shape) and had him going real fast down narrow tight twisty singletrack at high speed way up high on the edge of cliff (in Washington state, I believe?). They probably had to clean the seats and floors from everyone in the audience pissing their pants, or the least the ones who kept their eyes open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilycook
    It seems like a lot of people on this board make there own videos and post them on this forum, so I hope everyone can give me a little persepctive. Would you be willing to purchase a mountain bike dvd that focused on the spirt of epic mountain bike rides and flowing and technical singletrack instead of creating a hucking mountain bike video similar to what has been so popular lately. A local filming company has contacted me about creating a mountain bike video in Idaho and I think a well done non-huck video would sell just as well if properly done. Can it make money? Would you buy it?

    A percentage of the proceeds from the sale of the DVD would go back into local trails to help address our maintenance backlog.
    I'd rather ride my bikes than watch a video, though a non-huckaduck video might be a refreshing change from what apppears to be the norm if done right.

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    wasn't the climber

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry
    The MOST AMAZING bike video clip I ever saw was early in an IMAX Everest movie. They mounted an IMAX projector on the biker's head (who was a climber getting in shape) and had him going real fast down narrow tight twisty singletrack at high speed way up high on the edge of cliff (in Washington state, I believe?). They probably had to clean the seats and floors from everyone in the audience pissing their pants, or the least the ones who kept their eyes open.
    It was near Moab and a stunt rider(s), not the climber himself.

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    I'd watch a video like that...

    I remember some of the pieces in the first Kranked video of just riding single track in Durango, put to great music. It was awesome.

    As long as it has good music, good dynamic flow, I would love it. I also like videos where you get a little bit about the riders via commentary or interview.

    But to watch it over and over again, it HAS to have good music. Most of my videos wind up as background music for parties.

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    Yes

    I certainly admire those hucking skills and I wish I had them. But I'd rather see some scenic singletrack and technical descents like Pete's and MTBBill's videos. I'd love to see Bill's latest Hurricane Cliffs or Pete's Norway videos on a big TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    I'm looking for the mtb equivelent of a Warren Miller ski movie
    Word. I still love Warren Miller movies even though I gave up skiing 20 years ago.
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    i am always up for inspirational/motivational viewing...

    i have an extensive climbing video collection (free hueco! my fav) - and i am thinking of starting up a bike video collection. i love the www.petefagerlin.com stuff.

    videos are always good when you can't get to the bike if one is away on trips or just looking to psych yourself up the night before a long ride. sounds like a good idea to me - put it in a bag... i'll buy it!

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    Definitely.

    My fav mtb videos (that I play on my pc while at work) are a mixture of Pete's stuff, reTread, and some PedalMasher stuff.

    Definitely welcome new entries.

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    maybe if you add some hot chicks in skimpy attire
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    I doubt there would be chicks in skimpy attire

    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    maybe if you add some hot chicks in skimpy attire
    but there will be some women and even a dog. I will not be writing the screenplay but just helping get riders and cool places to ride. I have always loved the warren miller films and those always seem to appeal to many people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D.
    It was near Moab and a stunt rider(s), not the climber himself.
    The riders [in Everest] were Moab locals Laurie Hutchinson and Crash. 15 seconds of fame?

    Back on topic: I want a movie that is half abusive climbs, half abusive descents, with lotsa badass scenery.

    The Collective at least had non-hucking "trail riding" segements, but stopped short of actually showing anyone riding uphill.
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    Yeah- I'd be curious to see what sort of terrain the world's best technical climbers (trials riders?) could clean.

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    No skimpily dressed women? A dog?

    That clinches it. You are the devil and not Ghandi.

    Ghandi loved skimpily clad women.

    But I'd buy such a video, especially if it's made around Boise.

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    What he said

    Quote Originally Posted by J.D.
    It was near Moab and a stunt rider(s), not the climber himself.
    J.D. is right,of course - and when I saw that scene, I knew it was most definately NOT Ed Vestres and his wife. When it was shown to be "cinematographic liberty" that Ed's sittin' there alluding to the ride (while the footage shows the two riders SCREAMIN' down the trails)and his wife is all like "that was just a training ride..." I wanted to puke. It ruined the movie, and I think Lee Bridgers notes it in his friendly book about Moab - as he was the 'talent scout' or something for the film crew. Blech.

    Anyhoo, maybe when Off Road to Athens comes out, there'll be more demand for good mtbike movies that aren't a bunch of short, insane clips of super-hucking. I've often wondered what it would take to write, ride & shoot just the sort of film you mention. Let me know if you need any staff . I do have film experience, and ride/race like a posessed crackhead, er, or something. AND I'm designing a house for some friends in Hailey, so I can be in the area "to lend a hand" if/when needed! Go for it! The submit it to Banff Mtn.Film Festival.
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    I would love to see a more XC orientated film. I think at the same time its more difficult to pull off then a huck film like NWD. Part of the reason I liked the collective was the combination of stuff it had. I think it's difficult to get long shots of trail riding. While a helmet or bar cam will do it, some people like the view from a 3rd person perspective. In order to do that you sorta have to have open riding territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman
    I think it's difficult to get long shots of trail riding. While a helmet or bar cam will do it, some people like the view from a 3rd person perspective. In order to do that you sorta have to have open riding territory.
    No doubt. It's harder to capture a 60 mile epic on film then it is to shoot a 60 foot road gap.

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    I once thought I could do it like Pete or Bill...but I'm just not camera oriented. I certainly would buy a non-huck DVD as long as it's quality, bring it on.
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    Ahah!

    Quote Originally Posted by glenzx
    J.D. is right,of course - and when I saw that scene, I knew it was most definately NOT Ed Vestres and his wife. When it was shown to be "cinematographic liberty" that Ed's sittin' there alluding to the ride (while the footage shows the two riders SCREAMIN' down the trails)and his wife is all like "that was just a training ride..." I wanted to puke. It ruined the movie, and I think Lee Bridgers notes it in his friendly book about Moab - as he was the 'talent scout' or something for the film crew. Blech.
    I've been reading the Bridgers' guide books on Moab trying to get ready for my trip at some point. He mentions this filming in the book and how he almost strung up the film maker who almost killed some male/female rider pair by making them do this scene in Moab at killer speeds on a bad technical section, especially since they had to use an unfamiliar bike and all that.... Now you put it together. That was the same scene. Pretty freaky ride. I held my breath just watching it. Glad I didn't know it wasn't the climbers at the time, I'd be pissed in a different way. I was instead stunned and wondered who these freaks were.



    If you want to make a good longer film that keeps up interest, you may want to do more than just show bikes moving to music (which is good and the core of what I'd want to see). You may want to splice in discussions with the riders and what they like in bikes, terrain, food,...., most important to me is how they handled a tough technical section they just did on the film, how they learned to ride, what motivates them, and all sorts of other personal interest stuff like that.
    It's not slow, it's doing more MTB time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry
    ...film maker who almost killed some male/female rider pair by making them do this scene in Moab at killer speeds on a bad technical section, especially since they had to use an unfamiliar bike and all that...
    Eh? We watchin' the same film? Those two are just riding along the flat part of Amasa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilycook
    It seems like a lot of people on this board make there own videos and post them on this forum, so I hope everyone can give me a little persepctive. Would you be willing to purchase a mountain bike dvd that focused on the spirt of epic mountain bike rides and flowing and technical singletrack instead of creating a hucking mountain bike video similar to what has been so popular lately. A local filming company has contacted me about creating a mountain bike video in Idaho and I think a well done non-huck video would sell just as well if properly done. Can it make money? Would you buy it?

    A percentage of the proceeds from the sale of the DVD would go back into local trails to help address our maintenance backlog.
    I have enjoyed both "TREAD" and "RETREAD" and show them often, so Id be in, but if your making it "Idaho" how about covering up North as well?
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    I'd be interested in a "how to video" about technical skills for xc riding; tail whips and other tech moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrack
    Eh? We watchin' the same film? Those two are just riding along the flat part of Amasa.
    LMAO! "Just riding a flat part of Amassa"? At the speeds they were going and the distraction of the helicopter filming them, AND being hyper for filming - it'd seem pretty different I'd think. I also seem to recall a few places with exposure while standing still at Amassa, never mind haulin' booty down it. Oh, and the "ride" they did was utilizing a lot of Hollywood imagination in suggesting it was a continuous route, when it's a bunch of pieces of Amassa Back and of Fossil Point footage, if I recall correctly, that they spliced together!
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    Heck yes!!!

    My favorite parts of The Collective, which is my favorite mtb movie yet, are the singletrack, flowing sections. I watched it endlessly when I was down with a back injury, and I'll probably keep watching it for inspiration. Make me a whole movie of sweet-a$$ epic rides, and I'll buy it. No question.
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    Just for those...

    Quote Originally Posted by TFloyd
    That clinches it. You are the devil and not Ghandi.

    Ghandi loved skimpily clad women.

    But I'd buy such a video, especially if it's made around Boise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenzx
    LMAO! "Just riding a flat part of Amassa"? At the speeds they were going and the distraction of the helicopter filming them, AND being hyper for filming - it'd seem pretty different I'd think. I also seem to recall a few places with exposure while standing still at Amassa, never mind haulin' booty down it. Oh, and the "ride" they did was utilizing a lot of Hollywood imagination in suggesting it was a continuous route, when it's a bunch of pieces of Amassa Back and of Fossil Point footage, if I recall correctly, that they spliced together!
    Again, maybe there's some "director's cut" of Everest that I haven't seen, but as far as I know those two friends of mine were simply riding the section between the false top and the pipeline....

    It's been a while since I've seen it though, wasn't there some contrived scene at Mesa Arch as well?

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    endless hucking is the reason i don't buy mountain bike videos. once you've seen one person flying off a cliff, the next 97 shots are just pointless. in fact, in my mind, that is not even mountain biking. it's bmx with a mountain bike. when they start showing those baggy-pants psychos riding those bikes UP the hill, then I might watch. I respect the skill and courage it takes to do that kinda thing, but if I'm going to sit down to watch a mountain bike movie, I want to see people doing the same kind of riding I'm doing. And I am certainly not lauching my bike off some bridge suspended 25 feet in a tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrack
    Again, maybe there's some "director's cut" of Everest that I haven't seen, but as far as I know those two friends of mine were simply riding the section between the false top and the pipeline....

    It's been a while since I've seen it though, wasn't there some contrived scene at Mesa Arch as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenzx
    Oh, and the "ride" they did was utilizing a lot of Hollywood imagination in suggesting it was a continuous route, when it's a bunch of pieces of Amassa Back and of Fossil Point footage, if I recall correctly, that they spliced together!
    That's what I heard and saw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFloyd
    But I'd buy such a video, especially if it's made around Boise.
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    Any info on trails in Boise? We were going to stop there to ride on the way back from the FFTF, but it was raining, so we kept on driving.
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    Trails in Boise? There are tons.

    You will get varying opinions on them.

    There is a whole network of trails supported by the Ridge to Rivers folks, both in and out of town. Maps are available at local bike shops or on the Ridge to Rivers website. They are generally multiple use trails with lots of traffic.

    In addition, there are a number of trails in the area that aren't on the maps, and trails in the Owyhees and Danskins. Best bet for those is to hook up with someone like Chris (the originator of this thread) who can show you the outlying trails. Post on the Idaho, Wyoming, Montana board if you are going to be in the Boise area, and you will probably find someone to show you the good trails.

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    Thanks for the info!

    It might be next spring before I'm back down there. Thinking of a 2 week or more trip from Vancouver down to Southern Utah & Western Colorado might be in order. Would be much more fun to do some rides on the drive there and back, rather than the marathon 20+ hour drives that we did recently.

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    Off Road to Athens

    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba
    I'm waiting for the DVD on Off Road to Athens.
    I saw the world premiere / directors cut - definitely worth the purchase.

    PS: dopers suck (you will understand when you see the vid)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnpat

    PS: dopers suck (you will understand when you see the vid)
    LOL, indeed. I'd imagine Philipe (sp?) would be talked about in there somewhere - or is another story(s)?
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    The kind of mountain biking DVD I'd like to see (and would likely buy) would be something comparable to the Moonshine Conspiracy surf movies ("Shelter", "Thicker Than Water", "Sprout" or "Brokedown Melody").

    They don't feature huge waves or surfers pulling airs, they just show a number of facets of surfing in a mellow, laid-back way, with soundtracks to match (i.e. no angry punk music).

    In the same way, it would be cool to see a variety of riding, on different terrain, on a variety of bikes.

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