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    WOOO HOOO! as of tomorrow...

    the days start getting LONGER again.

    not that i'm excited about that or anything.

    happy winter solstice!

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    Good job! Thumbs up to that!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by *rt*
    the days start getting LONGER again.

    not that i'm excited about that or anything.

    happy winter solstice!

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    I agree, thanks for the inspiration!!
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    Whew!

    Sure is a great feeling isn't it!!
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    Isn't this the last year......

    of fall back?? I thought I heard that somewhere and a couple of friends of mine said the same thing...so next fall/winter, it will be really dark in the mornings but still light in the evenings...if it's true...

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    If we do away with daylight savings time, the opposite would be true. More light in the morning, less at night.

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    yer joking right?

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    If we do away with daylight savings time, the opposite would be true. More light in the morning, less at night.
    I grew up in MI just north of the Indiana border. We changed times; they didn't. Definitely thought we had the better end of the deal. In CA now and the added daylight in the evenings is a huge plus where I think it would just be wasted for more light in the AM.

    Is this being talked about? Sorry. I guess I am out of the loop.
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    In honor of the shortest day of the year, a bunch of us are getting together and doing the longest night ride of the year.

    Hope everybody's got a full charge on their batteries
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    http://wwp.daylight-saving-time.com/?source=goog

    Just pulled up this off google. Says we are actually moving daylight savings time from the first Sunday in April to the first Sunday in March so we will get more of it. Don't know if it is true or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *rt*
    the days start getting LONGER again.

    not that i'm excited about that or anything.

    happy winter solstice!

    rt

    yeeehaw. Spring is just around the corner. Gotta start riding after work so I can be ready. Sea Otter Classic is nearing also. Fun Fun fun. Dang I gotta start planning my trips. Thanks for the heads up.

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    And I get a set of studded tires tomorrow so I can break away from the trainer from time to time over the next 4 months!

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    Ok, so I'm not the only one...

    I have been watching the calendar, waiting for the turn toward more lovely daylight...

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    Couldnt happen sooner..

    I really dont like riding in the dark here..its is real scary. Its looks like the real gain in daylight comes at the end of January according to he sunrise/sunset tables. ive read..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedaling pyrate
    Sure is a great feeling isn't it!!
    that it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCF
    of fall back?? I thought I heard that somewhere and a couple of friends of mine said the same thing...so next fall/winter, it will be really dark in the mornings but still light in the evenings...if it's true...
    nope, as someone else said they are going to push the start of DST a month or two later so we will have a few extra months of longer days. or at least longer light at the end of the day......either way, when i commute i will be doing part of it in the dark. *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwing Duck
    In honor of the shortest day of the year, a bunch of us are getting together and doing the longest night ride of the year.

    Hope everybody's got a full charge on their batteries
    i did one of those a couple years ago. full moon too that year.

    in honor of the shortest day of the year i am going to go get my hair cut and then go out for drinks tonight - no bikes involved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletboy
    I have been watching the calendar, waiting for the turn toward more lovely daylight...
    nope! i watch the calendar from the day the time changes and count down the days till winter solstice. it may still be cold for a while (only another 6-8 weeks here in the south) but at least i know the days are getting longer again.

    i'll never figure out though, how when i lived in the great white north, it really seemed like the days were shortest in Feb not Dec. i swear the sun set at noon in Feb up north!

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    you stud!

    Quote Originally Posted by brianc
    And I get a set of studded tires tomorrow so I can break away from the trainer from time to time over the next 4 months!

    =P
    hehehehe!

    enjoy the non-trainer time!

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    Happy day

    It is the only holiday that brings me joy. Too many close calls in the dark to remember. The ride home takes a lot longer when you have to give everybody a big "benefit of the doubt" buffer zone. I almost got popped in the rain last Friday by someone turning left in front of me.
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    Awe shucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedaling pyrate
    http://wwp.daylight-saving-time.com/?source=goog

    Just pulled up this off google. Says we are actually moving daylight savings time from the first Sunday in April to the first Sunday in March so we will get more of it. Don't know if it is true or not.
    It's true, but doesn't go into effect for a while.

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    Did someone say Solstice Ride?

    My buddy Mike and I headed out pre-dawn to climb the dayunting Atalya here in Santa Fe. Nedless to say, the sun coming in so low from so far north is a neat occurence only this one day of the year. Normally covered in snow by now, we figured if we can't ski - we can keep on riding!

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    Nope, it will start 2nd sun. of March, end 1st Sun. of November making it approx. 1 month longer. Starts in 2007, next year is normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenzx
    the sun coming in so low from so far north..........
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    Starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel called winter. We still have a few months of winter to go up here in NH though, God I can't wait for spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *rt*
    the days start getting LONGER again.

    not that i'm excited about that or anything.

    happy winter solstice!

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    Ah, sorry to bust yer bubble grrl, but you'll have to wait a little longer. A little known fact is that, even though the shortest day is on the solstice, the days will stay pretty much the same length for almost two weeks after the solstice! This is because the alignment of the earth's axis isn't quite the same as the alignment of the elliptical course it travels around the sun!

    So, if you look up sunrise/sunset charts, you'll find that the day stays almost the same length, but sunrise and sunset both become a tiny bit later in the day until the earth reaches its closest point to the sun on Jan 1. After that, sunrise starts to get earlier every day and sunset gets later!

    Don't believe me? Check this link out ... sunrise/sunset tables for Vancouver:

    http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/as...ear=2005&day=1

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    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!! noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    i was happy in my little bubble of untruth!

    still, we're closer to longer days than we were yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K'Endo
    Don't believe me? Check this link out ... sunrise/sunset tables for Vancouver:

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    That's all right - by the endo the month we have a full 4 minutes more of daylight than we do today.

    All those seconds count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K'Endo
    Ah, sorry to bust yer bubble grrl, but you'll have to wait a little longer. A little known fact is that, even though the shortest day is on the solstice, the days will stay pretty much the same length for almost two weeks after the solstice!
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    Ah hah. I knew it. I've always thought this was true. Only I thought I could not tell an appreciable difference in the length of days until like February.

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    All you nay-sayers can go have your funk, I know what I'm going to do with my extra second today, and I'm not tellin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrm
    I really dont like riding in the dark here..its is real scary. Its looks like the real gain in daylight comes at the end of January according to he sunrise/sunset tables. ive read..
    So with you..i am so sick of it being dark everytime I go outside.It will be so nice to see where I am going. And as I sit in my windowless office..god I can't wait til me move....It is very rare that i see daylight...get here at 7:45..dark...leave to ride home 5pm dark..it sucks....yippie to more daylight. K
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Think u mean south
    Doh!

    Right - living NORTH of the equator means the sun comes from the south - lol.

    Indeed, dang sun has been tracing a mighty low arc across the SOUTHERN sky....

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    Quote Originally Posted by K'Endo
    Ah, sorry to bust yer bubble grrl, but you'll have to wait a little longer. A little known fact is that, even though the shortest day is on the solstice, the days will stay pretty much the same length for almost two weeks after the solstice! This is because the alignment of the earth's axis isn't quite the same as the alignment of the elliptical course it travels around the sun!

    So, if you look up sunrise/sunset charts, you'll find that the day stays almost the same length, but sunrise and sunset both become a tiny bit later in the day until the earth reaches its closest point to the sun on Jan 1. After that, sunrise starts to get earlier every day and sunset gets later!

    Don't believe me? Check this link out ... sunrise/sunset tables for Vancouver:

    http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/as...ear=2005&day=1



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    yeah.

    I have never heard this theory either. I have always understood length of daylight as the angle of the earth on it's axis in relation to the sun....nothing about distance. Generally speaking, light, the closer it gets to the object it shines on becomes more defined and spreads out less therefore would impact less surface area of the earth shortening daylight.

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    The reason is the closer the Earth is to the Sun, the larger is the disk of the Sun.

    Exagerating the scale a lot:

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    It is trig. In our case the surface area of the planet exposed to the sun is dependent on how close our planet is to the Sun.

    Quote Originally Posted by rapwithtom
    K'Endo, could you please explain why the Earth's distance from the sun has anything whatsoever to do with the length of the day for a given latititude on Earth?

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    "Dark Days of Winter" Explanation

    Quote Originally Posted by K'Endo
    the days will stay pretty much the same length for almost two weeks after the solstice!
    The reason that the amount of daylight is the same on the days near the winter solstace as it is on the solstace is that the amount of daylight a given latitude receives is reflected by a sinusoidal curve with a period of 1 year. So, the mimimal daylight (December 21) also is a period of a mimimal rate of change of daylight. It's just the derivative of the sin function. The same is true for the summer solstace.

    Interestingly, the rate of greatest change of daylight is during the equinoxes, on March 21 and September 21.

    The rate of change is a function of your latitude. In a high latitude such as Anchorage, Alaska, you gain (or lose) nearly 6 minutes of daylight per day when near the equinox!

    Now, when you're near the winter solstace and the amount of daylight is changing very little, other factors effecting time of sunrise and sunset become noticeable. This is what K'Endo noted. These "other factors"s do not significantly change the amount of daylight, but they do cause slight variations in the times of both sunrise and sunset. These "other factors" are explained here and here, but the root cause is in fact the earth's slightly eliptical orbit.

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    Cabin Fever?

    Quote Originally Posted by rapwithtom
    ....These "other factors" are explained here and here, but the root cause is in fact the earth's slightly eliptical orbit.
    Snowed in? Stir Crazy? Cabin Fever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapwithtom
    K'Endo, could you please explain why the Earth's distance from the sun has anything whatsoever to do with the length of the day for a given latititude on Earth?
    To be honest, I can never remember the exact math involved. It was explained to me once years ago (complete with a little model of the solar system!) and made complete sense at the time.

    Now I'm older and my memory is failing and I'm too lazy to go back an re-learn the theory from first principles. So I just accept that I knew and understood the all the math, and the physics hasn't changed since then!

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    I used to be with it. Then, they changed what "it" is, and now what I'm with is no longer "it". And whatever "it" is, is strange and confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenzx
    Snowed in? Stir Crazy? Cabin Fever?
    Good pick up! Actually, I am stuck inside, sick as a dog today, while Denver sets temperature records...

    It's OK, been riding lots and had a fantastic day of spring! skiing yesterday.
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