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    Who loves a Challenger? OT

    I've always had a soft spot for the old Mopar muslce cars. Yeah, I know they were big, gas guzzling pigs that cornered and braked about as well as the Titanic... but, dang, they were cool.

    I haven't been too excited about the new Chrylser 300 or Charger, but I'm really lovin' the new Challenger concept that's been making the rounds on the international car show circuit and on magazine covers the past couple of months. I really hope DC builds it. With the SRT-8 Hemi rated at 425hp under the hood and those gorgeous retro curves, I think it would be a worthy successor to the original Hemi 'Cuda and Challenger.

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    That is one badass lookin' car. If Dodge does in fact build it, I'll be there the day they go on sale.
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    I really like 'm but would never get one...

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    It'll be built

    A little too retro style wise but they only built the original for 5 years 29 years ago so I guess it's jost a continuation of my favorite muscle car. A true Canadian classic.

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    Best new major retro redesign yet. That looks awesome. That said if it doesn't get 35+ mpg with 4 doors I won't be buying one.

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    best one yet

    interms of style, the mustang redo was good, but this is waaaaay better. lets see if they get the launch right. so often they take a great body design, but the first cars sold will have a 230hp V8. the big HP always seems to come 1-2years later. usually because they want to first come to market with a $19k car, then come later with the 35k model. I would buy this car if I had the $$ and wanted something to drive around town


    Quote Originally Posted by Nonracerrichie
    Best new major retro redesign yet. That looks awesome. That said if it doesn't get 35+ mpg with 4 doors I won't be buying one.

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    Boy, I like the Challenger -- but I think it is too close to the original. The new Camero is pretty hot though - and different enough from the original to satisfy my tastes. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bauerb
    interms of style, the mustang redo was good, but this is waaaaay better. lets see if they get the launch right. so often they take a great body design, but the first cars sold will have a 230hp V8. the big HP always seems to come 1-2years later. usually because they want to first come to market with a $19k car, then come later with the 35k model. I would buy this car if I had the $$ and wanted something to drive around town

    230 HP out of a V8 seems pretty weak, even for an initial model. my 6 year old Maxima has 220 out of a 3 liter V6! Unless it has gobs and gobs or torque, I would have trouble rationalizing a V8 that doesn't have at least in the neighborhood of 300 HP. my 1.5 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Fever
    230 HP out of a V8 seems pretty weak, even for an initial model.
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    Yeah, I think that must be a typo. The "standard" hemi V-8 I think is rated more like 330hp. I'm waiting for the SRT-8 high output version with the 425hp which probably would be a second year offering. That's the way they've done it with the 300 and Magnum. Although I think the SRT-8 Charger is a mid-year offering this first model year.

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    I had a '70 Hemi Cuda NHRA model 426 cu.in./490 BHP. Now that was a car except for the 5 mpg!
    Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Fever
    230 HP out of a V8 seems pretty weak, even for an initial model. my 6 year old Maxima has 220 out of a 3 liter V6! Unless it has gobs and gobs or torque, I would have trouble rationalizing a V8 that doesn't have at least in the neighborhood of 300 HP. my 1.5 cents.

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    Tell me about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by lebikerboy
    I had a '70 Hemi Cuda NHRA model 426 cu.in./490 BHP. Now that was a car except for the 5 mpg!
    I'll bet you wish you still had that. One recently sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Scottsdale for like $1.2 million! No joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbikeboy
    Boy, I like the Challenger -- but I think it is too close to the original. The new Camero is pretty hot though - and different enough from the original to satisfy my tastes. .

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    I dunno. A mullet would look out of place in that Camero.
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    I remember

    My dad used to have that car back in the seventies. Actually i think he still has it. He thought he was a bad ass burnin up the tires and all! He would race that thing with a jack and coke sitting in the console or his hand LOL!

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    Love the car

    I love the new Camaros and the Dodge and the new Stang but considering fuel costs I would opt for a hybrid over those cars any day. And on top of that the quality of American cars is questionable. I love how people talk about reducing our oil dependency and say we should stop pumping money into the middle east and then drive a car that gets less than 15 mpg. I make enough money to get one and I must admit I would feel pretty bad ass driving one of those but where would I put the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbikeboy
    Boy, I like the Challenger -- but I think it is too close to the original. The new Camero is pretty hot though - and different enough from the original to satisfy my tastes. .

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    Seems to have some mustangish characteristics...

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    I have definitely been following this car. Had a '74 Cuda back in the late '80s and a buddy had a '70 convertible Challenger. I can think of a couple of toys I could liquidate if this thing ever hits real production.

    And the big hemi is supposed to be 425hp (with a 300+ version as well as a 6 cyl).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob
    One recently sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Scottsdale for like $1.2 million! No joke.
    Oops. My bad. I just went to the B-J site and I was wrong. It sold for $2.1 million. That's just insane. Of course it was a totally oringinal covertible 1 of only 13 built and the only one in Orange.

    The picture below it is a coupe that went for "only" $486K....and I'm not talking about old Atari computers.
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    Whaddya mean, too retro? That's the whole point of this car.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider
    A little too retro style wise but they only built the original for 5 years 29 years ago so I guess it's jost a continuation of my favorite muscle car. A true Canadian classic.

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    they always seem to under power early models

    always seems that car makers launch new models with crap engines: Mustang, Cayenne, etc. then a year later they bring out the "S" model or the GT, or whatever. I say launch the darn thing right. that challenger needs 400+hp in the first model


    Quote Originally Posted by UpRocks
    I have definitely been following this car. Had a '74 Cuda back in the late '80s and a buddy had a '70 convertible Challenger. I can think of a couple of toys I could liquidate if this thing ever hits real production.

    And the big hemi is supposed to be 425hp (with a 300+ version as well as a 6 cyl).

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    I like the Challenger and the Charger. F the gas mileage discussion as that's clearly out the window when looking at these vehicles. Big whup if they can shut down a cylinder bank at cruise - it seems to add a whopping 1MPG.

    I actually have a fondness for the new Cherokee SRT8. Faster than the Charger and better skidpad numbers ta boot. Also, probably the only one of the bunch that will accomodate roof racks....
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    a picture of my brother's 'Cuda. 1971 convertible, 440 w/ 6 pack.


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    Are you kidding?...who didn't or wouldn't love one of those or many other muscle car era firebreathers? Even more on my lust list would be to have a '55-'57 Chevy hardtop with a big block rat motor, or even more unobtanium...a '61-'62 Corvette. I had a '57 Chevy 2-door post model with a 409 Chevy implanted in it...my first car. Damnit, I'm drooling on my keyboard right now...LOL! Anyone see Overhaulin' the other night with the 56 Chevy Nomad with a 572 big block?

    KRob, when B-J started appearing on Speed, I thought, "That's got to be the dumbest idea for a TV program I've ever seen...watching people bid on cars". Boy...it's turned out to be the best and most interesting history lesson on muscle cars that one could imagine.

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    Why not get a real one - they cost about the same as long as your not looking for a matching #'s Hemi.

    Here's mine - a blast to drive....but ya gotta know how to work on them:

    1970 Dodge Charger R/T 440 4 Speed...the real deal But only 9MPG
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    I had the car to the right of the Charger in the picture. A 1969 Dart with a 340 magnum. I will be first in line in 2009 to buy one of the new Challengers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPATCRASH
    I had the car to the right of the Charger in the picture. A 1969 Dart with a 340 magnum. I will be first in line in 2009 to buy one of the new Challengers!
    No Way!! How'd you do in the Daily Driver Cat? I took second (I drove her 4500 miles that year) and my wife took 4th for her '65 Barracuda.

    Nice looking Dart BTW - love those cars...,I had a 68 GT for a while (only a 318 though )
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    Quote Originally Posted by special k
    a picture of my brother's 'Cuda. 1971 convertible, 440 w/ 6 pack.
    Hey specialK, that's a beautiful car your brother has. If the numbers match and it's as clean under the hood as it is on the outside it's also worth a bunch of money. The 440Six Packs aren't fetching what the Hemis are, but still, I'd bet it'd fetch close to 200K.

    Problem is, you can either have the nice car.... or the money. Keep the car.

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    while i do like the challanger, i think this whole "retro" thing has gone waaaay out of whack....whats next Ford bringing back the pinto?? its got to stop...NOW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozak
    while i do like the challanger, i think this whole "retro" thing has gone waaaay out of whack....whats next Ford bringing back the pinto?? its got to stop...NOW
    I do not think ford would bring back the pinto, because ford probably considered that to be one of their econmy cars. they also have the focus today and a pinto probably would not sell too well. I think all they will bring back is retro muscle cars, or old sport type cars. Keep the muscle cars coming. That is my two cents.
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    got to love the Cudas
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    i'm all for the modernized muscle cars, and i love the challenger concept. i hit the detroit auto show for supplier days, and took a few pics. it looks a lot bigger in person than i thought it would, but it isn't presented at street level, so that might have been what was throwing me off. it looked old charger size. i also emailed chrysler and said i hoped it went to production looking as displayed in detroit, and they sent me a link to take a survey regarding the challenger.

    and since we have some old mopar pics going, i'll post up a pic of my old '71 newport custom (and my ex-wife) i used to have. it had 32,000 on it when i got it, and about 37,000 when i sold it. the thing was too damn long for my garage, i couldn't get it totally out of the weather, so i sold it to someone who could. it had the 440 tnt package. i'd like to find the dude i sold it to and get the damn thing back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob
    Hey specialK, that's a beautiful car your brother has. If the numbers match and it's as clean under the hood as it is on the outside it's also worth a bunch of money. The 440Six Packs aren't fetching what the Hemis are, but still, I'd bet it'd fetch close to 200K.

    Problem is, you can either have the nice car.... or the money. Keep the car.
    Its not a matching number Cuda as it started life as a small block but still a convertible. I forgot the # of convertible 440 & hemis produced in '71 (but he knows). I know he has been working on restoring everything to be "correct" for the year model (argent paint on grill, gull wing,etc.) He just bought a 472 stroker hemi crate engine to put in this beast so I know he will need the Hemi billboard and hemicuda hoodplate. He says it will bump up the value alot. I know what he's been offered so I believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeter
    i'll post up a pic of my old '71 newport custom (and my ex-wife) i used to have. .
    Are you kidding me???? Your let her get away"?

    Here's a couple more angles. They also have a poll on www.motortrend.com to encourage DC to build it.
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    Has anyone else noticed that the only exciting cars to come out of the US in a long time are all based on body styles that have been around for 40 years? It's pretty scary that this is the best they can do, if you ask me.

    This is not to say that I don't like the Challenger, or the new Camaro - just that I think it's pretty lame when our country's best car designers can't do any better than a smoothed over 60's muscle car.

    It's no wonder our market share is so pathetic right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    Has anyone else noticed that the only exciting cars to come out of the US in a long time are all based on body styles that have been around for 40 years?
    I hear that AMC is going back into business so that they can start producing the new Javelin. For the second year, they'll bring back the AMX! WOOHOO!

    I think that Ford needs to bring back the Torino. That oughta put them back in the black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikehigh
    I hear that AMC is going back into business so that they can start producing the new Javelin. For the second year, they'll bring back the AMX! WOOHOO!

    I think that Ford needs to bring back the Torino. That oughta put them back in the black.
    I second that with the Torino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikehigh
    I hear that AMC is going back into business so that they can start producing the new Javelin. For the second year, they'll bring back the AMX! WOOHOO!

    I think that Ford needs to bring back the Torino. That oughta put them back in the black.
    Funny you mention those, Barringotn ILL Jeep had a 68,69,and 70 AMX out front last week...
    AS far as American automakers 'best' efforts at retro..Its the damm boomers...They cant afford 2.1 million so its a no brainer to appeal to their youth with retro styled machines...
    That said, either the challenger or the camaro!!!
    I read online, in a news story i thought, that the challenger was to be $28k WITH the SRT-8 425 engine?
    Or was I dreaming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanL
    If Dodge does in fact build it, I'll be there the day they go on sale.
    That'll be a bit too late, I suspect. Better get your deposit in now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob
    That'll be a bit too late, I suspect. Better get your deposit in now.
    I have a feeling you're probably right. I better start pulling the change out of my sofa cushions.
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    NYPD Adds Dodge Muscle Car to Its Fleet

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    NEW YORK - The New York Police Department is adding some muscle to its car fleet: the 2006 Dodge Charger, whose 1969 model is best remembered for outrunning a hapless sheriff in "The Dukes of Hazzard."

    The department plans to buy 15 police versions of the car for a pilot program that will begin this summer, officials said Thursday.

    With so many flashy foreign cars on the road, speed matters, said Leonard Lesko, the NYPD's director of fleet services.

    "The car that does 110 mph doesn't do it anymore," Lesko said.

    In a recent analysis by Michigan State Police, Chargers equipped with a V-8 engine had the quickest acceleration (6.52 seconds to 60 mph) and fastest lap time (150 mph) of any police vehicle tested.

    The police highway unit will test drive 10 Chargers featuring V-8 engines, officials said. The rest will have V-6s and hit city streets in the five boroughs.

    If they pass inspection, they could replace hundreds of squad cars in the NYPD's 3,000-vehicle patrol fleet, now dominated by Ford Crown Victorias and Chevrolet Impalas.

    The Charger appeared in 1966. Over the next several years, it made an impact on the stock car circuit and on television, starring as the General Lee, an orange 1969 model, in "The Dukes of Hazzard."

    The price was being negotiated. A company Web site lists the civilian model's starting price at $22,995. Modified police models typically are sold to law enforcers at a discount.
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    <Dominated by Chevy Impalas>
    I doubt any PD bought an Impala, it was a fancy dress version of the 9c1 Police option....And can there be any left on the street 10 years after production stopped?
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    I have the REAL real deal

    1970 Dodge Dart Swinger: 350$
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    The look on your friends faces when you have 8000$ worth of bikes on top of all that: freakin' priceless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSett
    NEW YORK - The New York Police Department is adding some muscle to its car fleet: the 2006 Dodge Charger, whose 1969 model is best remembered for outrunning a hapless sheriff in "The Dukes of Hazzard."

    In a recent analysis by Michigan State Police, Chargers equipped with a V-8 engine had the quickest acceleration (6.52 seconds to 60 mph) and fastest lap time (150 mph) of any police vehicle tested.
    The problem with all of the new retro muscle cars is they are equipping them with every yuppie option imaginable, making them weigh around 4000-4500lbs and then charging way too high of a price tag for them, so not how the sports cars were marketed in the 60s and early 70s. It's sad to see a new GTO run 15s, but I guess that's what the old ones ran in road tests before hot rodders "tinkering" and making them in to beasts...

    6.52sec to 60mph sounds exciting for a cop car, but add lights and all the equipment in there and that things going to be a slow pig more around the 8 sec mark... an EVO 8 (one of the flashy foreign cars they reference) does 0-60 in 4.8 sec.

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    Big Block Dart

    You guys just had to go there! Here's a couple shots of my 68 Big Block Dart "in process"

    It started life as an original /6 car bought from the original owner for $1200. Rust free car, in perfect shape beside's the repaint in white over the original B5 blue.



    This is what it looks like now:






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    Thas a regular sized paint can, gives you an idea of venturi size!


    Tight fit.





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    This is actually really cool

    I never would have guessed there were so many musclecar guys on this board. I figured there would be as many as there are cyclists over on Moparstyle.com.

    This is my Dart. It's obviously a work in progress, slowed by the fact that I drive it all the time.
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    Hey I like it!

    It's even painted Sublime!
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    The driver's door is a darker green, and the driver's rear quarater had a big spot of tan primer on it. I just bought a good quarter to replace that one, and it's blue. When I get it put on, that car'll be 4 different colors! Eventually, it'll be all green again.

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