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    What is the right way to clear this?

    Ok I had to use the smilies since I do not know how to post a drawn picture. So there is a log triangle on the trails that I ride and it looks like this. I think if i just ride it over my big ring on my crank will get caught up on the top log. Its about 3 feet high. And its in the middle of some single track. It is really stap so i dont think jumping it is an option. What is the correct way to ride over something like this?

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    Use momentum to get as far as you can, then rachet the cranks back and forth 1/4 rev or so to get over.

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    Very cool website...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow
    I know some beginners who could use this info
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    learn to bunny hop...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkr33
    Ok I had to use the smilies since I do not know how to post a drawn picture. So there is a log triangle on the trails that I ride and it looks like this. I think if i just ride it over my big ring on my crank will get caught up on the top log. Its about 3 feet high. And its in the middle of some single track. It is really stap so i dont think jumping it is an option. What is the correct way to ride over something like this?
    Unweight your front fork and/or do a wheelie right as you're about to hit the logs, so your front wheel ends up on top of the pile. "Buck" the rear end and shift your weight forward while letting your momentum carry you over to the other side. Let momentum and gravity do as much of the work as possible.

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    The coolest way to do it would be to endo when your front tire is at the very top, pivot off that tire into a 180, land on your back wheel (on the other side of the obsticle) then pop another 180 to get yourself pointed in the right direction, and pedal away. Smoooooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dir-T
    The coolest way to do it would be to endo when your front tire is at the very top, pivot off that tire into a 180, land on your back wheel (on the other side of the obsticle) then pop another 180 to get yourself pointed in the right direction, and pedal away. Smoooooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dir-T
    The coolest way to do it would be to endo when your front tire is at the very top, pivot off that tire into a 180, land on your back wheel (on the other side of the obsticle) then pop another 180 to get yourself pointed in the right direction, and pedal away. Smoooooth.
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    Here's a good video on doing a log hop.
    http://www.adksportsfitness.com/apri...lumns/mtb.html
    You know, if you were really brave, you could try jumping the thing

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    Carefully? No No No, that is how to porcupines get their freak on.
    You build up some speed, then a little more, lift the front tire so it kinda almost goes all the way over the log and then you SLAM the big ring into the log. Now you really need to get in in there, like stuck in there, then you drive through. Your big chainring will act like a chainsaw blade and you cut your way right through. That's why you see all these logs chewed down to bits all over the trail. Everybody does it this way. Those bunny hopping geeks are too cool for school. Us regular guys don't have time to show off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorBehavior
    You build up some speed, then a little more, lift the front tire so it kinda almost goes all the way over the log and then you SLAM the big ring into the log. Now you really need to get in in there, like stuck in there, then you drive through. Your big chainring will act like a chainsaw blade and you cut your way right through.
    That reminds me of how I tell people to learn to bunny hop: Go straight at the curb just as fast as you can and, at the last second, hop. Repeat as necessary.
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    unlimited possibilities

    can it be done as illustrated by http://tuktok.com/loghop/ except do a 360 while in the air, ???

    you would probably have to start rotating before lift-off...

    when i was a kid freestyle was the coolest thing to do on a bike... thankfully, things have changed for the better. hahaha...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorBehavior
    Carefully? No No No, that is how to porcupines get their freak on.
    You build up some speed, then a little more, lift the front tire so it kinda almost goes all the way over the log and then you SLAM the big ring into the log. Now you really need to get in in there, like stuck in there, then you drive through. Your big chainring will act like a chainsaw blade and you cut your way right through. That's why you see all these logs chewed down to bits all over the trail. Everybody does it this way. Those bunny hopping geeks are too cool for school. Us regular guys don't have time to show off.
    My technique works pretty much the same, but at that point when you need to commit to rolling down the backside, instead I prefer to have a moment of grave doubt, unclip my right foot and kind of jump down and to the right, so I end up standing with one foot on the ground and the rest of my bike way up in the air with my left foot still in and my left hand still on the bar. It's actually trickier than riding it out, which exactly why I do it. Because I'm so damn tricky.
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    Three feet of log pile is a pretty good pile. Depending on how steep it is, and how wide the trail is, you might want to try going at the pile at an angle rather than straight up and over. Attacking the pile at an angle will decrease the effective steepness and make it easier to deal with riding the ring over the top. A right to left attack angle is preferable for better crank ratcheting clearance. Oh, and believe it or not, doing piles like that on a riged bike is way easier than on a bike with suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikehigh
    ...Attacking the pile at an angle will decrease the effective steepness and make it easier to deal with riding the ring over the top...
    This has not been my experience. I have the best results whenever I go as perpendicular to the log as possible. Whenever I go at an angle, my tires seem to slide sideways, I lose traction, then I end up stalling.
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    The humane thing to do would be to affix a tiny helmet to the smiley face on top. Otherwise he'll be screaming in terror and bleeding all over your chainrings.

    We don't get many smiley piles around here, but I'm pretty sure that would be the technique.
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    u asked the right way to clear it-----2 ways--1) ask a trail sanitizer 2) dismount and walk.
    I prefer option 2

    u also asked the right way to ride over it---these ways have already been mentioned. I'll just stick with clearing it by using method 2 above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christine
    The humane thing to do would be to affix a tiny helmet to the smiley face on top. Otherwise he'll be screaming in terror and bleeding all over your chainrings.

    We don't get many smiley piles around here, but I'm pretty sure that would be the technique.
    We actually have quite a few smiley piles around here and I've found that you can just ride straight through them. They'll regroup and still be happy.

    But for a log pile, just walk it. It can't be fun enough to need to replace your chainring.

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    I've found that it helps to get off the bike, and "walk" it back and forth across the pile to get a feel for how the bike will move over it, and at which point the bike will start falling down the other side. Also you can determine at which point you will inevitably go over the bars, and be prepared for that moment by shrieking like a prepubescent girl.

    This also helps you look intellectual (the test part, not the shrieking part), like you're really studying the "proper" technique and understanding the true physics of clearing log/smiley piles. After you're done walking the bike across, you can just get on the bike and ride off without actually riding over it. It's a great way to fool onlookers into thinking that you're not really walking over it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drewdane
    Unweight your front fork and/or do a wheelie right as you're about to hit the logs, so your front wheel ends up on top of the pile. "Buck" the rear end and shift your weight forward while letting your momentum carry you over to the other side. Let momentum and gravity do as much of the work as possible.
    This is pretty close, but instead of shifting your weight forward (which could cause endo) you want to push your bike out in front of you while you get back behind your seat as far as possible. If you don't feel comfortable with a wheelie move, you can get back on the bike, push your fork into the pile, it will compress and pop you a bit as your momentum carries you up and over, then push your front wheel out, get way back and ride it out. Hit it straight on, if you go at an angle the chances of you slipping increase massively, especially if its ever wet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikehigh
    try going at the pile at an angle rather than straight up and over
    Certain doom if I tried it like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkr33
    What is the correct way to ride over something like this?
    Nothin to it. Close your eyes, get as much speed up as you possibly can and get real loose on the bike. You'll be on the other side of it before you know it.


    Or you could do this: Clearing Big(ish) Logs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
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    that's awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shabadu
    This is pretty close, but instead of shifting your weight forward (which could cause endo) you want to push your bike out in front of you...
    True - that's sort of what I meant; I used extremely poor wording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Certain doom if I tried it like that.
    Nah, give it a try. It's a lot of fun! I'm not talking about hitting at at a huge angle, btw, maybe 20 degrees at most, but it makes a difference. If you time it right, you can stall out and do a bit of a track stand as your bike is straddling the top of the pile.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurboasT4
    I've found that it helps to get off the bike, and "walk" it back and forth across the pile to get a feel for how the bike will move over it, and at which point the bike will start falling down the other side.
    Nah, it's always better if you go at a new pile completely blind and unaware of what's on the other side. Makes like interesting!Nothing better than getting to the top and finding that you're dealing with a drop instead of a ramp.
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    I've found that by kicking out one of the bottom, weight bearing, smilies the pile usually crumbles and it's much easier to ride over them.

    Or you could start practicing your bunny hopping. Smilie piles are great for practice due to their nerf-ish consistency.
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    so...what if that log pile is 3 1/2 feet tall? kinda hard to bump the front tire off of and "bunny hop" it...we have one like that, which is why I was asking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wooglin
    meh, that guy is riding a 29er, better clearance. But the technique is still the same for 26 wheels. Wheelie your front wheel to the top of pile and lean forward and lift your rear wheel over as your front wheel starts going down. This should be able to let your crank clear too. If the other side is realy steep, and may cause u too endo if the front wheel rolls down, i suggest the same method, but bunny hop it once your front wheel is at the top of the pile. Bunny hopping it takes a little more skill, so if your not comfortable, try it on something small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayson44
    so...what if that log pile is 3 1/2 feet tall? kinda hard to bump the front tire off of and "bunny hop" it...we have one like that, which is why I was asking...
    That depends on how steep the walls are and how fast you're going. If you're doing it super slow speed, you "hook" it. Get your front tire on the back side of the top log and use it to pull back and down, as you jump the back of the bike with your legs...keep your hips moving forward and you're miraculously end up safely on the other side having cleared the top with your chainrings and even back wheel if you apply enough finesse and force.

    That probably makes no sense.

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    Instead of rolling the backside, do you think you could wheelie drop at the top? Might keep you from endoing in the long run. I'd say doing it as some modified jump would get you over safter than trying to shift your weight. You'd just need to perfect your timing.

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    Instead of rolling the backside, do you think you could wheelie drop at the top? Might keep you from endoing in the long run. I'd say doing it as some modified jump would get you over safter than trying to shift your weight. You'd just need to perfect your timing.

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    No good No ... no ... no...

    All wrong..

    Just use the big logs to perfect your Zen technique and refine it so that it becomes a finer art form.

    My personal method, as taught to me by my Zen Master, Hinata san..



    Do not think. Flow towards the log like rushing water in a stream.

    Let the log become part of you, and you part of the log.

    It is only yourself that you are now going to transcend.

    There is no log, there is only you.

    Then there is no you.

    Only Peace.

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    Where did it go?



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    [QUOTE=Rainman]All wrong..

    Just use the big logs to perfect your Zen technique and refine it so that it becomes a finer art form.

    My personal method, as taught to me by my Zen Master, Hinata san.. [\QUOTE]

    Important to remember is that Zen teachers often strike their students with sticks. Evidently Hinata San developed a technique for getting Rainman to his himself in the head with log piles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikehigh
    I'm not talking about hitting at at a huge angle, btw, maybe 20 degrees at most, but it makes a difference. If you time it right, you can stall out and do a bit of a track stand as your bike is straddling the top of the pile.
    I've tried it before and ended up sliding sideways across the pyramid, all wiggly-jiggly. If you approach at a 90 degree angle, the bike goes over the top nice and stable instead of trying to "center" itself by moving the front and rear tires in opposite directions. Maybe I've only tried it on slippery, wet pyramids.

    I wonder how much less of an effective incline a 20 degree approach makes? I guess I could calculate it with trigonometry but I'm not in the mood and am hoping some data-type will gongulate it for me.

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    Well, depending on the steepness, it's enough of a difference to allow both wheels to be on logs at the same time so you can take a moment to scrutinize what's waiting for you on the other side if you're not in a hurry. You can even change directions up there if you need to that way. There's no doubt that in most instances the straight on approach works great and might even be the only way, but it's fun to play. I was really just trying to give the OP an alternative way to clear the pile in case he, like me, has trouble jumping three feet in the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayson44
    so...what if that log pile is 3 1/2 feet tall? kinda hard to bump the front tire off of and "bunny hop" it...we have one like that, which is why I was asking...
    There's one near here that's about that high. The way I get over it is to slow down just a hair before getting to the base, load my body up like a spring, then lunge upwards pulling the bike up the front side of the pyramid in front of my body, with a burst at the pedals to power up it if necessary. It's as if I'm trying to throw the bike over the top first, with my body following.

    Edit: I forgot to add that sometimes it helps to tap the front brake just as the front tire hits the top of the obstacle. Tapping the front brake helps get the rear of the bike up off the ground when you're trying to lunge over stuff.
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    Here's my .02:

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkr33

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    NOTE: this method works for me from years of riding East Coast Singletrack.

    Basically think of it as a short, steep up and over on dirt.
    1. Ride up to the pile with enough momentum to carry you to the top.
    2. Flow with the bike up to the top and let the front wheel roll over.
    3. Keep your pedals level at the top, if your chainring hangs on it PUSH DOWN with your front foot and you will grind over the top log on the ring.
    4. As the bike moves over the top push it in front of you to get your weight back.
    5. Ride it out.

    With practice you should be able to roll through this with minimal pedaling and no brakes. It's quite and accomplishment when you nail it right the first time!

    Here's a pic of AZMikey hanging up on a log, he made through with a pedal stroke - take a look at the front foot:
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    Interesting. I've seen all kinds of trails berating people who "sanitize" the trails. I wonder what the reaction would be in this case to saying take the obstacle down. It's obviously not natural. Isn't putting artificial crap in a public trail just as bad as sanitizing them of natural obstacles?

    Just wondering.

    (please disregard if this is in an obstacle park)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh
    Interesting. I've seen all kinds of trails berating people who "sanitize" the trails. I wonder what the reaction would be in this case to saying take the obstacle down. It's obviously not natural. Isn't putting artificial crap in a public trail just as bad as sanitizing them of natural obstacles?

    Just wondering.

    (please disregard if this is in an obstacle park)
    Can you clarify what you mean when you say the pictured obstacle is artificial? It looks natural to me, because it's a tree and branches, but it obviously didn't pile up in a pyramid by itself.

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    In the case of my example pic, the tree lies almost perpendicular to the trail and had fallen there in the winter, so they just built a pile of smaller logs to make a go-over rather than haul a chainsaw up the mountain to cut a hole in such a big log. The tree is 40-50 feet long so rerouting the trail would actually be worse. There are several obstacles in the Flagstaff area where enterprising rides have built big fallen trees into the trail rather than build go arounds or cut them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Can you clarify what you mean when you say the pictured obstacle is artificial? It looks natural to me, because it's a tree and branches, but it obviously didn't pile up in a pyramid by itself.
    The OP's depiction of a perfectly man made log pile.

    As oposed to the logs that fall across the trail and then people pile smaller logs in front and behind to make the approach to the bigger log more rideable vs cutting a notch or the entire storm fall out of the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottN
    NOTE: this method works for me from years of riding East Coast Singletrack.

    Basically think of it as a short, steep up and over on dirt.
    1. Ride up to the pile with enough momentum to carry you to the top.
    2. Flow with the bike up to the top and let the front wheel roll over.
    3. Keep your pedals level at the top, if your chainring hangs on it PUSH DOWN with your front foot and you will grind over the top log on the ring.
    4. As the bike moves over the top push it in front of you to get your weight back.
    5. Ride it out.

    With practice you should be able to roll through this with minimal pedaling and no brakes. It's quite and accomplishment when you nail it right the first time!

    Here's a pic of AZMikey hanging up on a log, he made through with a pedal stroke - take a look at the front foot:
    Just wondering where this log pile is? It kinda looks like one of the log piles in AL. -CK
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