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    Some one call 911

    I had an odd day riding today, that had me thinking what i should take with me on the trails. So I finaly got out with my new clipless pedals on the trail (never used them before) and i was time trialing myself on a known distance to see how much of a difference they would make. Near the end I see a random bike on the trail that i dont think much about because of my time trial and then i see it, a woman was stumbling up the hill covered in blood. I jump off my bike and start to help her. I soon find out she went over the bars when avoiding a squirrel with the front brake( for all you people reading, this is a bad idea). I see she has a phone and call 911. Now how to tell the paramedics how to get to you? So i make her comfortable and wash her blood with water(do the best with i have) i say i need to leave her to meet the paramedics. That did not go over well. But she soon understood and let me go to the meeting point of the EMS. When the paramedics arrive they look at my muddy self and say, shes were? So i say that i am going back to her and you guys just go down the trail and meet us. When i get back to the lady she could not be happier to see me. So the paramedics do there thing and she gets rushed to the hospital for a broken arm, some broken fingers and a serious case of road rash on her face.

    As this all happened near the end of my 50km time trial ride i was really pushing myself to do all the needed things to help the lady. I believe the training i got in first aid and training to be a lifeguard had made myself calm enough to help the lady and not panic. The cardio from biking to help keep me pushing on in this situation was also a plus.

    Moral of the story, know first aid, dont use your front brake to stop , and carry a cellphone. And understand that a calm Tuesday ride can end in world of pain.

    Keep riding and hope lady you get better soon as i never got your name.

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    Good job.
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    Great job, it is nice to see there is still some people who will help others when needed.

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    So how did the clipless work?

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    i fell once on my driveway but other then that i beat my time by about 15-20 minutes. And my right foot cramp by the toes, i guess thats because im not used to the pull, which i used as much as i could

    i took out the time i was helping the lady from my bike PC :P

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    First Responder Qualified (at least in the state of MD).... Check
    Carry Cell phone.....Check
    Don't use front brake to stop...Check


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    I had a similar situation happen a few weeks ago with a hiker that slipped and hurt his leg pretty bad. Luckily he had his cell phone so I could call 911 and meet the first responders at the bottom of the hill (I left my phone at home). I hate carrying my nice phone in my pack, but this was a good reminder that a little extra weight can be worth it.

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    Something similar happened to me a few weeks back. Going for a quick ride before school, I turn the corner on the path (road bike/ multi-use path), and there's a truck on its side on the path, it had apparently hucked it off the highway above and tumbled down the embankment, finally landing on the path. The driver was fine, but it's still an experience to finally use that first-responder/emergency training from Boy Scouts. I'm an Eagle Scout now, got to tell my scoutmaster that I'd finally used the training from all those merit badges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    Don't use front brake to stop...Check

    Errr - what do YOU use the front brake for then?
    Personally, I use it to stop all the time
    You could save some weight if you took it off cause you dont use it

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    Should have ran over the darn Squirrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffgre_6163
    Errr - what do YOU use the front brake for then?
    Personally, I use it to stop all the time
    You could save some weight if you took it off cause you dont use it
    i would call the front brake a slow down brake, but not to jammed to stop(as you can with a back brake). And I use both so no weight saving for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX_Shifter
    Should have ran over the darn Squirrel.

    Yep, if it's me or the squirrel, sorry squirrel.

    chaloopy, Glad you were able to assist her. Getting hurt on the trails can be pretty scary, shes lucky you were out there!

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    Good job, but don't be scared of your front brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffgre_6163
    Errr - what do YOU use the front brake for then?
    Personally, I use it to stop all the time
    You could save some weight if you took it off cause you dont use it
    Come on boss, I am was being sarcastic regard the front brake. I use my front brake to slow down if need be. Maybe I am doing it wrong, but I use by back brake to stop. As far as the other two, I was not being sarcastic
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    Moral of the story is bring your phone!
    It can be the difference of life and death. Say your bleeding out and dont have 2 hours to walk out of the trail.

    Never used to think this way until i had my nasty spill 5.5 weeks ago. Could have been horrible if i diddnt have my phone.

    Anyway, Thanks a lot for helping. More people need to feel an initiative to give a hand in this world. (not a political statement)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    Maybe I am doing it wrong, but I use by back brake to stop. As far as the other two, I was not being sarcastic
    Yep, you're doing it wrong. Both brakes in most every situation is how you should be stopping. The woman went over the bars because she was panicked by trying to avoid the squirrel not because she used her front brake. Most of your braking power comes from your front brake as your weight shifts forward during stopping, the rear wheel looses a bit of weight distribution and therefore traction so it isn't as useful during braking. Notice on many bikes the front disc size is larger than the rear, it's because of that weight shift. Using one or the other brake is more of a technique in advanced terrain; you might lay off the front brake while descending some really chunky ledges so that the wheel keeps tracking and there are plenty of other situations that would lead you to wanting to use just one brake but just stopping or slowing are not one of those situations.

    Use just the rear brake and you'll skid out of control, tear up the trails, not actually stop that quickly, and look like the complete hack you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum
    Yep, you're doing it wrong. Both brakes in most every situation is how you should be stopping. The woman went over the bars because she was panicked by trying to avoid the squirrel not because she used her front brake. Most of your braking power comes from your front brake as your weight shifts forward during stopping, the rear wheel looses a bit of weight distribution and therefore traction so it isn't as useful during braking. Notice on many bikes the front disc size is larger than the rear, it's because of that weight shift. Using one or the other brake is more of a technique in advanced terrain; you might lay off the front brake while descending some really chunky ledges so that the wheel keeps tracking and there are plenty of other situations that would lead you to wanting to use just one brake but just stopping or slowing are not one of those situations.

    Use just the rear brake and you'll skid out of control, tear up the trails, not actually stop that quickly, and look like the complete hack you are.
    Thanks for the info Mr. Zebrahum. Tell you what, I will stop trying to be a "complete hack" . I am all about constructive criticism but the name calling
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    Thanks for the info Mr. Zebrahum. Tell you what, I will stop trying to be a "complete hack" . I am all about constructive criticism but the name calling
    Wasn't personal, take it easy on the trails.
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    Learn first aid, CPR

    Another good lesson- we as MTB'ers who may be a LONG way from help should learn first aid and CPR (Wilderness First Responder would probably be ideal training). While climbing, I witnessed a nearby climber take a fall that resulted in head trauma and a broken neck. There were a number of EMT and Wilderness First Responder types nearby, and he was receiving CPR within 1 minute and continuously for the next 2 hrs or so until he was taken to the nearest Trauma center. Without those first responders giving him treatment so quickly and effectively, he would certainly have died (I don't know how he's currently doing, only that he's alive but paralyzed).

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    I carry a cell phone too but no reception on a lot of the trails. Has anyone looked into a satellite phone? Can you buy one without any kind of subscription plan but still be able to call 911 with it? They are also a bit pricey.

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    ........what about her bike?

    you stole it didnt you


    ( i really mean ) haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by rossluzz
    I carry a cell phone too but no reception on a lot of the trails. Has anyone looked into a satellite phone? Can you buy one without any kind of subscription plan but still be able to call 911 with it? They are also a bit pricey.
    There are satellite emergency beacons that you can buy which would probably be cheaper and easier than a satellite phone set-up.

    http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/be...cylocator.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    First Responder Qualified (at least in the state of MD).... Check

    So what happens if you come across someone in an accident outside of MD? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by wahunterinrok
    So what happens if you come across someone in an accident outside of MD? LOL

    put em on your shoulders and carry them to the MD border
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    Good on the OP for helping out.
    Bad advice on not using the front brake to stop.

    The front brake is where all your braking power comes from. Just like a car the brakes are on our bikes not us. In a car we have seat belts to keep us attached to the seat and from going forward. On our bikes our legs and arms are our seat belts and we need to use them to keep from going forward and over the bars. If your cruising down hill and are sitting on your seat and grab a fist full of front brake you're probably going OTB. If your standing and in proper descending body position; squat slightly lower & back, drop your heels some, and brace yourself with mostly your legs and some arms, you can grab all the front brake you need or want. The other thing I've seen is people unclip before they come to a complete stop and can no longer keep themselves from going forward and OTB in slow motion..

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    First rule of panic - don't panic
    Second rule of panic - not the front brake!
    Third rule of panic - unless its a fuXXXXXX elephant you don't stop.

    What else?
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    Like others have said, unless you are pointed down a steep hill, grabbing the front brake shouldn't put you OTB. Now grabbing the front brake and sharply turning the wheel, even on level ground will easily put you on your face. I would bet she panicked grabbed the brake AND jerked the wheel. Nice job helping out chaloopy. Not a MTB story but: I was at the Grand Canyon looking out over the edge of a non-barricaded cliff when I hear a loud thud followed by sliding. I turned to see my uncle grabbing a lady sliding toward the edge. We saw her a few days later in Sedona. She suffered a very badly broken wrist, but she was very grateful for just the broken bones.

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    Question: Was she hot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecosse
    Question: Was she hot?
    Why do you think he stopped??
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    Quote Originally Posted by rossluzz
    I carry a cell phone too but no reception on a lot of the trails. Has anyone looked into a satellite phone? Can you buy one without any kind of subscription plan but still be able to call 911 with it? They are also a bit pricey.
    Oddly enough I've always had awesome service with Verizon when I'm way out in the middle of nowhere. I've been thinking of picking up the new G'zone from Casio to take with me.



    To repeat what others have said, front brake is the best way to stop if you know how to use it. Bracing with your legs instead of arms forces your weight under your CG and keeps the rear wheel down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone
    Why do you think he stopped??
    lol but 47 and bloody is not my type

    and all you guys are jokes but the cellphone thing is a must. She had a blackberry that was password protected but it also had an emergency call button on it and thats what i did. and since I kinda live in an urban area its not hard to get a cellphone signal.

    I heard alot of people saying good that i stopped, but as a person i would never ride past a situation like that, and dont understand how anyone can. What if it was you?

    And as I work at a bike store, i now recommend everyone have a phone on rides. If you dont know how to help in a situation the operator can tell you what needs to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim-H
    Oddly enough I've always had awesome service with Verizon when I'm way out in the middle of nowhere. I've been thinking of picking up the new G'zone from Casio to take with me.



    To repeat what others have said, front brake is the best way to stop if you know how to use it. Bracing with your legs instead of arms forces your weight under your CG and keeps the rear wheel down.
    Wow looks like you could summon a **** load of ufos on that, maybe call in some tomahawk strikes too while your at it. I would get lost on it trying to find the teleportation button though, I easily get lost on those things.
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    Remember that ANY cell phone can call 911, whether or not it is activated. If you don't want to carry your Blackberry, iPhone, etc just buy a prepaid or even an old used phone and put it in your bag. Just make sure it is charged fully, since older phones don't usually stay charged as long in an idle state.

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    As a FF/EMT, i wish everyone learned basic first aid, never know when it can really help someone out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heybrady
    Remember that ANY cell phone can call 911, whether or not it is activated. If you don't want to carry your Blackberry, iPhone, etc just buy a prepaid or even an old used phone and put it in your bag. Just make sure it is charged fully, since older phones don't usually stay charged as long in an idle state.
    911 calls from a cell phone are routed through the Highway Patrol though, not local police/emergency centers, which is what landlines do. So be prepared to describe exactly your location, instead of simply saying so-and-so bike trail, which would probably be enough to get local police to where you are, especially in more isolated areas. The Highway Patrol will eventually connect you to your local emergency dispatch though.

    I've also heard that simply dialing 0 (for Operator) with a cell, and then requesting your local police/emergency services will hook you up immediately, whereas Highway Patrol has to get all the facts before they send you to your local switchboard.

    That's my experience dialing 911 from a cell, anyways. Never tried the dialing 0 part, but it was told by a family friend who's a captain of one of the local police departments or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hand/of/Midas
    As a FF/EMT, i wish everyone learned basic first aid, never know when it can really help someone out.
    Agreed, you never know when you'll need the skills/supplies. A little bush surgery knowhow isn't bad either, I can fix a lot of things with super glue and a staple kit

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    Some places just don't have coverage no matter what carrier you use. But it's still a good idea to carry one and try to call 911 even if it says no signal. Usually, even if it's not getting enough signal to lock on a tower, it's pinging it and the tower will log the ID info. Emergency personal can use that information to locate someone, if need be. It won't get you rescued right away though, they usually only look for things like that after someone had been reported missing and they're searching for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hand/of/Midas
    As a FF/EMT, i wish everyone learned basic first aid, never know when it can really help someone out.

    well there are no genies on this forum so your wish has been denied
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy03
    well there are no genies on this forum so your wish has been denied

    It really is a good idea for anyone who mountain bikes or does anything away from people to learn basic first aid and carry a small kit. If not for a stranger, then for yourself or your riding buddy. Just a thought and a wish, no reason to get all poopy over someone bringing up a legitimate point...
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    That kind of reminds me of a woman last summer who slammed her car brakes on the highway trying to avoid ducks. She ended up killing two motorcyclists behind her.
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    another thing about the 'no service' bit. when dialing 911, a cell phone will utilize ANY service it can achieve, not just it's specific carriers service (normally described as roaming), even if it says there's no service present, it can still connect.

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    There was small how-to/know-how article about being a first responder to an emergency in June's edition of Popular Mechanics. It's nothing really ground-breaking or anything like that, but it still has a bunch of good reminders and things to keep in mind when doing that stuff.
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    Good job helping out! Wilderness first aid is invaluable for mtb riders. One very important item it teaches is clearing cspine. Having experienced a broken back I can really appreciate the skill.

    Sub topic: front brakes are for stopping, sometimes abruptly, rear brakes are for control.
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