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    Quote Originally Posted by sxotty View Post
    Thanks man. Unfortunately from what I can tell they basically asked a bunch of people "How much money do you need to be happy" and that was the answer they got.

    I would prefer if they attempted to see "how happy are you" and "oh by the way how much do you make?"

    Given the median income is lower basically most people were saying "I need more money than I have to be happy." At least it could be construed that way. And yes I realize measuring happiness is fraught with difficulty anyway.
    I read it like they made a questionnaire about the level of happiness perceived, and asked about the income.

    I guess such a question will never be answered scientifically, as asking somebody who has never tried being wealthy, how wealthy they need to be to feel happy, is somewhat flawed, as the person has no idea what it would be like.
    When you ask people who are wealthy, you often get an answer in one of the extremes.
    Either they are going to fight all their life to gain more, and never be content, or they will tell you that they would be perfectly happy with a relatively modest income.

    Often it actually turns out to be a curse for people to have had a taste of being very wealthy. A good friend of mine just pretty much lost his family, cause he was too focused on making money. More often than not, there is a limit where people forget that money is not everything, nice to have, but sure not everything. At that point I see people gaining more frustration and loss than happiness, from increased income.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Magura View Post

    It's never enough considering all the stupid hobbies I got, and once I factor in the foster kids that my wife and I take in, it becomes impossible to even be "rich". LOL

    ....on a positive note, my house has tripled in value according to Zillow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    That's like saying a hot chicks elbows are pointy...
    No, the hot chicks got an even hotter sister named ZL1 that is way better in the sack....er on the track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    I'll politely disagree...

    This will be my 48th birthday present to myself in 2013 I'll be quite happy driving this to the trail head with my bike stowed neatly in the trunk = safe & stealth.
    Oh, wow. That's an absolutely amazing car. I bought a new 2013 Mustang GT with a stick a month ago today and dang it is hot. The new 5.0 runs circles around the 4.6 on all counts. Haven't driven a Shelby but until I do I can dream and congratulate those who have them or are getting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    At least Ford was able to "invent" overhead cam engines ... some American companies are still working on that. Even 1975 VW rabbits had overhead cams and a cool skateboard like truck rear end.
    Well, the pushrod engine takes a lot less space up up high in the bay, which is a benefit, and at the HP it's dolling out, it's not too shabby. Given the actual output, it's not a deal breaker for me, although overhead cams would be better. The suspension was a deal breaker for me though. The solid axle just bounces around too much on the mustang and requires a far stiffer ride to get anywhere near the same performance, but again when in the turns, it lets go, especially in real-world situations that aren't perfectly smooth. They've done all they can with it and a ZL1 (or equivalent camaro) is still faster around a track with less horsepower or less advantageous power to weight. Just not the "entire deal" as far as a sports car is concerned. The 2011s did at least look nice finally. Unfortunately you have to pay a lot more money with the mustangs to get similar packages to the other guys as well, like brakes, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    No, the hot chicks got an even hotter sister named ZL1 that is way better in the sack....er on the track.


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    BTW I'm looking for a low mileage 2011 or 2012 I'm not paying $70K for a 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    mmmm a GT3. I rather see it pulling a trailer (I see the track tires on the trailer and hopefully the rest of the owner's track kit is inside the box) than being a "trailer-queen" GT3 that is carried to and from the track with a trailer.

    I've always said "Daily driver is a state of mind.".....and all my track cars thus far have fit that description.

    WTF bike is that on it anyhoo? Looks like a cheapie.
    I am betting Huffy/Pacific/Walmart bike just to ride around the pits at the track.
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    ... your idea of technical may be much different than other peoples idea of technical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry68 View Post
    I am betting Huffy/Pacific/Walmart bike just to ride around the pits at the track.
    Should have just strapped it on the trailer then.

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    Or drag it behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    Phuck it, buy a used C6 and have Lingenfelter turbocharge it.

    Awesome thread Hijack by the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    Phuck it, buy a used C6 and have Lingenfelter turbocharge it.

    Awesome thread Hijack by the way
    i couldn't be happier. from negativity and name calling to a pretty interesting discussion. great job, everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    Phuck it, buy a used C6 and have Lingenfelter turbocharge it.

    Awesome thread Hijack by the way
    I had a C4 Corvette a 1995 fully loaded both tops and the rare FX3 suspension option it was white with red leather interior just what a single 31yr old needed back then.

    It was fun but impractical for a daily driver and the insurance premiums were almost as high as the monthly payment and sadly I sold it eighteen months after I purchased it for something more "practical"

    The C6 Z06's are in the $50K range even for a three year old model and $70K for a 2011 and once again the car is impractical for a daily driver and i don't want that high of a car payment albatross around my neck.

    I've done quite a bit of research and am a Ford man already with a 08' F450 and other Ford products in my past including a 85' SVO Mustang. The GT500 is exactly what I'm looking for rare enough that your not going to see one every day but not so rare that they are priced in the stratosphere for a pre-owned one either.

    2012 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Review: Obliterate Boredom | Rumble Seat by Dan Neil - WSJ.com

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    I had a couple of wealthy friends who were mountain bikers. One had a drawer full of Rolex watches, a Rolls Royce and a couple of Harleys in the garage, and rode the cheapest POS MTB I could imagine, a King Sting.

    The other had a collection of some 60-odd personal bikes, had a frame builder on speed-dial when he needed a new one, and was otherwise so cheap that he took home all the little soap packages when he stayed in a hotel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    ...and was otherwise so cheap that he took home all the little soap packages when he stayed in a hotel.
    I share a common trait with a wealthy individual. Cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    The other had a collection of some 60-odd personal bikes, had a frame builder on speed-dial when he needed a new one, and was otherwise so cheap that he took home all the little soap packages when he stayed in a hotel.
    Hey that saves like... $10 a year. In 10 years that's... $100. And stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    he took home all the little soap packages when he stayed in a hotel.


    I think that's #4!
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    "Millionaire Next Door" would be a better book.

    The average millionaire doesn't get wrapped up in exotic cars and Yachts. I'm good friends with several Millionaires and most drive Chevy and Fords. A few drive older lower level high end cars like a C Class Mercedes and only one has anything higher class but they needed something to replace their 25yr old vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stencil View Post
    Hey that saves like... $10 a year. In 10 years that's... $100. And stuff.
    But he's doing this in every aspect of his life, some rich people are rich because they're very good (cheap) with their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    But he's doing this in every aspect of his life, some rich people are rich because they're very good (cheap) with their money.
    What's the point of being rich if you can't enjoy it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stencil View Post
    What's the point of being rich if you can't enjoy it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    Hmm. I'll take the soap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stencil View Post
    What's the point of being rich if you can't enjoy it?
    Money is what these people enjoy and worship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Money is what these people enjoy and worship.
    I'lll take the toys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Money is what these people enjoy and worship.
    And, the problem with that is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    And, the problem with that is?
    Nothing at all, as long as it doesn't destroy the environment and subjugate other people. Hey, everyone's gotta have a god. If money makes them feel good, why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50calray View Post
    "Millionaire Next Door" would be a better book.

    The average millionaire doesn't get wrapped up in exotic cars and Yachts. I'm good friends with several Millionaires and most drive Chevy and Fords. A few drive older lower level high end cars like a C Class Mercedes and only one has anything higher class but they needed something to replace their 25yr old vehicle.
    Significant difference between saving a $1-2M and earning a high income that leads to 10's of millions in the bank. Millionaire next door is a great roadmap for anyone to save their way to being a millionaire. That does not buy you a 7 series BMW and a 5000 sqft house.

    Compare that to someone making $500K/yr. They are taking home $300K and can afford the nice car and a decent but not extravagant house. Maybe an exotic car after 10-15 years of earning that income and being smart about investments. If you are getting into exotics that is the range of people making $1M+ and yachts (not a 30' sailboat) probably closer to $5M per year.

    What people don't realize is the real tax burden of people in that $250K+ income range. While it sounds like a lot of money the real buying power is relatively limited. Remember that the top 1% pay over 40% of all federal income taxes and only earn 18% of the income. The bottom 48% pay zero in federal income tax and receive the benefit of that disproportional payment structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Nothing at all, as long as it doesn't destroy the environment and subjugate other people. Hey, everyone's gotta have a god. If money makes them feel good, why not?
    I agree, although any economic class can destroy the environment and subjugate others. As long as people are law abiding, I don't care how much money they have or how they got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Significant difference between saving a $1-2M and earning a high income that leads to 10's of millions in the bank. Millionaire next door is a great roadmap for anyone to save their way to being a millionaire. That does not buy you a 7 series BMW and a 5000 sqft house.

    Compare that to someone making $500K/yr. They are taking home $300K and can afford the nice car and a decent but not extravagant house. Maybe an exotic car after 10-15 years of earning that income and being smart about investments. If you are getting into exotics that is the range of people making $1M+ and yachts (not a 30' sailboat) probably closer to $5M per year.

    What people don't realize is the real tax burden of people in that $250K+ income range. While it sounds like a lot of money the real buying power is relatively limited. Remember that the top 1% pay over 40% of all federal income taxes and only earn 18% of the income. The bottom 48% pay zero in federal income tax and receive the benefit of that disproportional payment structure.
    Being a millionaire isn't what it used to be, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I agree, although any economic class can destroy the environment and subjugate others. As long as people are law abiding, I don't care how much money they have or how they got it.
    In our system, the rich are much better at wrecking the environment and exploiting people. Poor folks do get to live in the polluted aftermath however ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Significant difference between saving a $1-2M and earning a high income that leads to 10's of millions in the bank. Millionaire next door is a great roadmap for anyone to save their way to being a millionaire. That does not buy you a 7 series BMW and a 5000 sqft house.

    Compare that to someone making $500K/yr. They are taking home $300K and can afford the nice car and a decent but not extravagant house. Maybe an exotic car after 10-15 years of earning that income and being smart about investments. If you are getting into exotics that is the range of people making $1M+ and yachts (not a 30' sailboat) probably closer to $5M per year.

    What people don't realize is the real tax burden of people in that $250K+ income range. While it sounds like a lot of money the real buying power is relatively limited. Remember that the top 1% pay over 40% of all federal income taxes and only earn 18% of the income. The bottom 48% pay zero in federal income tax and receive the benefit of that disproportional payment structure.
    I can tell you know the sting of living in a high cost state. The problem is 250k isn't all that much in SoCal or the Bay Area; but in America's heartland, it is rich. I think we need tax codes tied to cost of living ... it's hard to get ahead when a 2 bedroom home costs 600k.

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    There are more federal taxes than income tax. And federal taxes on the top 1% are lower than many quintiles below them b/c they do not have to pay payroll tax on their earnings past a certain point. People always like to include those making 250k and above b/c then the results look vastly different. Look at people making $1million and suddenly things look quite different. High earners pay capital gains tax instead of income tax on much of their income so their rate is much lower. People with jobs that pay normal income and making 80-300k a year are the people who pay a disproportionate share of the federal taxes.

    edit here is what those poor folks making a million dollars are paying:

    http://www.cbpp.org/files/2-23-10tax.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post

    What people don't realize is the real tax burden of people in that $250K+ income range. While it sounds like a lot of money the real buying power is relatively limited. Remember that the top 1% pay over 40% of all federal income taxes and only earn 18% of the income. The bottom 48% pay zero in federal income tax and receive the benefit of that disproportional payment structure.
    Actually, what we realize is that the effective tax rate and the "on paper" tax rate are two different things. Those poor 48% are also paying the exact same % of tax for things like sales tax, gas tax, license fees, etc...
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    So the rich should pay a disproportionate amount to support the poor correct? The 48% start around $50K in income which is not exactly poor, yet they pay nothing towards national defense, FDA, interstate highways and a host of other Federal programs yet they still derive the benefits.

    Can anyone tell me what the global top 1% and 5% are? Should we start paying an international tax to support the poor in other countries? If not, why not? They are people just like those in the US so why should we not help them as well? Their only sin is that they were born in the wrong place.

    In answer to my own question, to be in the top 1% globally you have to earn $34K/yr. To be in the top 10%, $12K/yr. 2.8 BILLION people live on less than $2/day. More than 95% of people living in developing countries live on less than $10/day. Nearly everyone on this board, except for a few shop rats (which I used to be) is in the top 1% globally. I propose that we take 48% (the effective top tax rate in California excluding payroll, SDI, etc) and use it to redistribute wealth to the REAL bottom 99%, not just those that live in the bubble that is the US.

    All of a sudden it doesn't sound so good does it? As long as a new tax does not effect you then it is a good tax. If they start messing with your income it is a horrible idea right? We are at a tipping point in the US where very soon more people will be exempt from Federal income taxes that those who pay them. Tell me what universe that makes sense in.

    I am not saying that the current code is perfect or that the rich don't pay enough. I would be willing to pay more as long as everyone pays something. It doesn't have to be a lot, but everyone should be contributing. There is a huge freerider (not the MTB type) in the US where those who don't pay derive significant benefits from those that do.

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    Ok, back to this thread. Let's see some cool cars with bikes on them!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Should we start paying an international tax to support the poor in other countries?
    Don't kid yourself man. If the UN has its way, that is exactly what is going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    So the rich should pay a disproportionate amount to support the poor correct? The 48% start around $50K in income which is not exactly poor, yet they pay nothing towards national defense, FDA, interstate highways and a host of other Federal programs yet they still derive the benefits.
    Quit being foolish. The 48% includes the retired as well who already paid into the government for years. You need to actually start with the number of people who are earning and income and currently working when you want to whine about freeloaders. They also pay a lot of payroll taxes etc... so they are hardly free loaders. The earned income tax credit is what is responsible for most of this and it was the baby of Republicans as well. Reagan said "The Earned Income Tax Credit is the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress." The problem is simply one of mobility. If those people had decent jobs and made more money they would pay more taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    So the rich should pay a disproportionate amount to support the poor correct? The 48% start around $50K in income which is not exactly poor, yet they pay nothing towards national defense, FDA, interstate highways and a host of other Federal programs yet they still derive the benefits. .
    So I haven't paid taxes over the last 5 years? That's new to me??? Who told you that I didn't pay taxes? I think you've taken the bait on the party lines, hook line and sinker. I have no problem closing loopholes for the middle incomes you are talking about, but that changes nothing about the high income brackets that don't pay the "paper rates" because they are rich enough to shift and move their money around to various shelters and take advantage of loopholes that lower income earners can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Ok, back to this thread. Let's see some cool cars with bikes on them!!!
    Does this count?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyWilliams View Post
    Does this count?

    I don't know... looks more like a trike with some sort of car on it!!

    And I'm not sure I'd put in the "cool" category. Interesting yes, cool? Not so much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    I don't know... looks more like a trike with some sort of car on it!!

    And I'm not sure I'd put in the "cool" category. Interesting yes, cool? Not so much!
    How about a bike with a car on it?


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    Now THAT is cool!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyWilliams View Post
    How about a bike with a car on it?

    best post in this thread, hands down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyWilliams View Post
    How about a bike with a car on it?
    That's an old Challenger R/T right?
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    lol thats pretty funny id rock my bike rack on my bently, now just need a bently.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steineken View Post
    lol thats pretty funny id rock my bike rack on my bently, now just need a bently.....
    i'd rock a saris on a bentley, too.

    i would just make SURE to wrap my pedals in old t shirts to keep from banging up the trunk lid. (sometimes the bike makes contact with the car when using a trunk rack)

    it's a habit i picked up from renting cars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Significant difference between saving a $1-2M and earning a high income that leads to 10's of millions in the bank. Millionaire next door is a great roadmap for anyone to save their way to being a millionaire. That does not buy you a 7 series BMW and a 5000 sqft house.

    Compare that to someone making $500K/yr. They are taking home $300K and can afford the nice car and a decent but not extravagant house. Maybe an exotic car after 10-15 years of earning that income and being smart about investments. If you are getting into exotics that is the range of people making $1M+ and yachts (not a 30' sailboat) probably closer to $5M per year.

    What people don't realize is the real tax burden of people in that $250K+ income range. While it sounds like a lot of money the real buying power is relatively limited. Remember that the top 1% pay over 40% of all federal income taxes and only earn 18% of the income. The bottom 48% pay zero in federal income tax and receive the benefit of that disproportional payment structure.
    A-men. I make very good money at my job, much more than $500K/yr but I sacrificed in ways many of you can't imagine to get to this point. When I contemplate the taxes I pay and the huge amount of money going to pay people to sit on their butts doing nothing (like most of the malingerers on disability) it makes me angry to think that the whole pack of lazy retards who make up the majority of our population want even more.

    It's not money, it's the sweat and blood and years of sacrifice that you folks are taking from me. I don't drive an exotic car and with the exception of expensive mountain bikes I live very frugally and well below my means. I take good care of my ex-wife who is an honorable and decent woman who I let down and i'd infinitely rather give my surplus income to her or my church than to some disgusting fat-body trundling up the aisles at Wal Mart throwing fatty junk food into his cart that he buys with his "food stamp" money.

    Folks, there are young men drawing full disability...free medical care, housing assistance, and food stamps...and their disability is drug addiction. Your country is out of control now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    In our system, the rich are much better at wrecking the environment and exploiting people. Poor folks do get to live in the polluted aftermath however ...

    I'm an Emergency Physician. I do very well. Please explain how I exploit people and pollute the environment.

    The poor exploit each other horrifically. I see it every day in the constant parade of shootings, beatings, rapes, and drug-induced injuries. And if you've ever driven through the ghetto or a trailer park in Metho-America you will see that the poor have no regard for their own environment whatsoever and that neglect of themselves and their surroundings is the rule, not the exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    Folks, there are young men drawing full disability...free medical care, housing assistance, and food stamps...and their disability is drug addiction. Your country is out of control now.
    Yeah, everything is the fault of the poor. It's because they are lazy that we are in this mess...

    I've worked all my life, and I'm finally getting into a good financial position. Working up through the levels, I've yet to find this huge mass of people who just doesn't want to work. I've found a few that have a difficult time holding 2 or 3 jobs to feed families, so I guess your solution is to just shoot them or something, but I fail to see how everything is the poor's fault. Have you ever actually paid 35% income tax?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    A-men. I make very good money at my job, much more than $500K/yr but I sacrificed in ways many of you can't imagine to get to this point. When I contemplate the taxes I pay and the huge amount of money going to pay people to sit on their butts doing nothing (like most of the malingerers on disability) it makes me angry to think that the whole pack of lazy retards who make up the majority of our population want even more.

    It's not money, it's the sweat and blood and years of sacrifice that you folks are taking from me. I don't drive an exotic car and with the exception of expensive mountain bikes I live very frugally and well below my means. I take good care of my ex-wife who is an honorable and decent woman who I let down and i'd infinitely rather give my surplus income to her or my church than to some disgusting fat-body trundling up the aisles at Wal Mart throwing fatty junk food into his cart that he buys with his "food stamp" money.

    Folks, there are young men drawing full disability...free medical care, housing assistance, and food stamps...and their disability is drug addiction. Your country is out of control now.
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    Why in the hell should people pay different amounts of tax? Why should it be tied to income? Most everyone on this thread has it all wrong, IMHumbleO.

    I say we take the amount of money the govt needs each year and divide it by the number of people over the age of 18, wham, that's how much each person over the age of 18 owes in taxes.

    Does anyone believe this would lead to properly focusing on spending?
    Nobody cares...........

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