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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Tax rates were higher in the "go-go nineties" and the economy boomed like crazy and lifted all boats. Tax rates were much higher than even the 1990s during the 1950s and that era is generally regarded as the biggest and most widespread boom in American history.

    The economy boomed in the mid 1980s when Reagan drastically lowered the marginal tax rates that had slowly increased to something like 70 percent in the top bracket. Before that was the golden age of loopholes and deductions and the so-called "three martini lunch" where everything was written off to try to reduce net income. Tax rates have been lower since then.

    As a point of historical interest, the concept of "benefits" with a job originated when marginal rates where so high that giving raises that put people into higher brackets was no longer an incentive and things like medical and dental, company cars, and other things that were deductible were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    So let me get this straight. If we tax the wealthy at 40%, they will have no motivation and drive to make any more money, to buy the same things (or more) than they had before...

    Yet...

    You expect that poor or middle class people will be inspired to make more money and increase their standard of living?

    This sounds like a double standard. What is so depressing and unmotivated about being rich? Why would you expect the lower and middle classes to "rise up" and not the rich? Even if the rich guy is taxed at 40%, if he increases his productivity, makes his business more successful, brings in more profit, he still gets to take home more pay.
    Whoa. Forty percent is high but not high enough to stop, for example, me from working. But let's suppose the marginal rates increase where, for example, everything over $250,000 is taxed at seventy or eighty percent. I'd think long and hard about working past $250,000. At some point free time and leisure are worth more than money. If I lived in Greece where my effective rate approached eighty percent I'd naturally decrease my own economic productivity (and this happens on a macroscopic level as well) to some point well below my capability to produce goods and services.

    In my case, this would mean you'd have to find somebody else to fill ER shifts from a shrinking pool of people willing to work for essentially nothing. In the case of a small business it would mean not expanding or hiring the extra employees. Naturally it is more complex than that but generally higher marginal rates lead to decreased productivity...and extreme maneuvers on the part of taxpayers to protect themselves from what becomes government predation.

    Keep in mind that the higher your income the less benefit you actually receive from Federal taxation. Schools, roads, fire, and police are mostly paid for by local and state taxes. Federal taxes currently are largely eaten by direct transfers of money, often time to malingerers and freeloaders. Medicaid, the federally subsidized welfare system, and disability programs are largely fraudulent. SSI disability is almost entirely a huge scam. I cannot tell you the number of young, fit, and otherwise healthy men drawing full disability fir "Bipolar, a fraudulent bad back, or drug addiction.

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    How or why this thread is still alive - and in the "Passion" forum is beyond me . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    How or why this thread is still alive - and in the "Passion" forum is beyond me . . .
    Umm, because people like you and me keep posting? Just a thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Umm, because people like you and me keep posting? Just a thought!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    This thread is about the wealthy, not the middle class and poor. I showed you how high taxes really are for the wealthy and used Greece as a good example of the effect of out-of-control government spending and a high taxes on a nation. It is easy and convenient to blame the rich for everything but this is just misdirection from your ruling elite to deflect attention from the true catastrophe brewing for the entire Western world. You cannot enrich a nation by impoverishing the productive sector and eating the rich might be emotionally satisfying but what will you do after you confiscate everyones's wealth?

    The point is that if you tax the productive sector into oblivion there will be no wealth to tax and no freebies for anybody. Nobody is going to work or produce anything if they have to give ninety cents of every dollar they make to what they perceive as a bunch of lazy freeloaders. Very few people will work from the goodness of their heart. I don't dislike my job, for example, but I wouldn't do it for ten percent of what I currently make. It would just not be worth all the hassles.

    Not paying taxes is illegal but when the tax rates rise to tyrannical levels it is not immoral and it is not stealing. We are supposed to be a people who have a government, not the other way around. The government is immoral and corrupt to the core as is everything and every institution it touches...which is practically everything. If you want to keep shoveling money into its gaping maw....well...what can I say.
    Well said! Then the government blames the people and take the people's rights away.

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    "This thread is about the wealthy, not the middle class and poor."

    no. as the OP, i say that this thread is about rich people having enough passion for cycling that they strap cheap bike racks to their very expensive automobiles...and how i found it kind of amusing.

    nothing more, nothing less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    "This thread is about the wealthy, not the middle class and poor."

    no. as the OP, i say that this thread is about rich people having enough passion for cycling that they strap cheap bike racks to their very expensive automobiles...and how i found it kind of amusing.

    nothing more, nothing less.
    Are you sure. For some odd reason that simple (and funny) picture has touched people deep down in their souls, and they must express their frustrations in this thread. Politics in a mountain bike forum. Never a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z4good View Post
    Are you sure. For some odd reason that simple (and funny) picture has touched people deep down in their souls, and they must express their frustrations in this thread. Politics in a mountain bike forum. Never a good thing.
    HA!!! well said!

    but the original intent was not political.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    This thread is about the wealthy, not the middle class and poor. I showed you how high taxes really are for the wealthy and used Greece as a good example of the effect of out-of-control government spending and a high taxes on a nation. It is easy and convenient to blame the rich for everything but this is just misdirection from your ruling elite to deflect attention from the true catastrophe brewing for the entire Western world. You cannot enrich a nation by impoverishing the productive sector and eating the rich might be emotionally satisfying but what will you do after you confiscate everyones's wealth?

    The point is that if you tax the productive sector into oblivion there will be no wealth to tax and no freebies for anybody. Nobody is going to work or produce anything if they have to give ninety cents of every dollar they make to what they perceive as a bunch of lazy freeloaders. Very few people will work from the goodness of their heart. I don't dislike my job, for example, but I wouldn't do it for ten percent of what I currently make. It would just not be worth all the hassles.

    Not paying taxes is illegal but when the tax rates rise to tyrannical levels it is not immoral and it is not stealing. We are supposed to be a people who have a government, not the other way around. The government is immoral and corrupt to the core as is everything and every institution it touches...which is practically everything. If you want to keep shoveling money into its gaping maw....well...what can I say.


    I follow with great interest this topic. I work a lot and I pay a lot of taxes and I am interested in understanding what happens in other countries. I live in Italy and France, they are very similar countries about benefits and disadvantages.
    You have written many important things, but I add something.
    When you write "Nobody is going to work or produce anything if they have to give ninety cents of every dollar they make ..." you have to remember that a job is necessary, it is not a hobby ... And most people can not live without. Me too.
    I believe that in every state the public sector, of course is important, but there are high risks of corruption and inefficiency.
    You use Greece as an example. I can say something about France and Italy, than I will say something about your country of origin.
    The current crisis is unprecedented in Italy but luxury is performed as it had never happened. Jaguar, Aston Martin, Porsche etc are becoming increasingly common. In Switzerland they do not know where to put the money of the Italians ...
    The very rich French people escape in Belgium but in Florence the Jaguar and Bentley cars are more numerous than in Paris, but Florence is a small city!
    What has happened? It happened that something is broken in the mechanism that regulates the life and relations between state and citizens. A certain type of people get rich easily, another type of people are afraid of the future... You know what I mean.
    The institutions do not function properly, they always want more money to offer less and less services.
    Companies do not grow, do not work properly.
    The money or disappear into the pockets of the state or in other countries. So everyone is next to the risk of becoming poor. Very poor.
    Lastly a small personal memoir about Greece, twenty years ago I think about.
    I remember that I was astonished by the amount of Mercedes I saw in the streets. I never understood where the trick was.

    * I apologize for my basic English
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    Quote Originally Posted by toscano View Post
    When you write "Nobody is going to work or produce anything if they have to give ninety cents of every dollar they make ..." you have to remember that a job is necessary, it is not a hobby ... And most people can not live without.
    Not in America. Here, if you are a lazy ass you can do nothing and suck off the people who do work hard and make money. If it wasn't for runaway welfare, we would be in pretty good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    this thread has gone from better to bad to better to worse...let's talk about cars some more...would you use a trunk rack with this old caddy, or would you use a roof rack on the trunk lid?
    I would love to beat run this car. Anybody else think that sounds like a good idea? On the plus side, I think I could toss my 29er in the trunk and not even remove the front wheel!

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    Life is too short to talk about politics
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectZero View Post
    Life is too short to talk about politics
    Life is to short not to talk about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Life is to short not to talk about it!
    You have hijacked the thread long enough now.
    The OP even requested the thread get back on topic, but no one seems to respect his wishes.
    Put simply... CAR & BIKE PICS or GTFO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    You have hijacked the thread long enough now.
    The OP even requested the thread get back on topic, but no one seems to respect his wishes.
    Put simply... CAR & BIKE PICS or GTFO!
    Someone got their panties in a bind! Lol!

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    I still find it a bit interesting that you would ever want to strap a bike to a supercar. It makes more sense to me that if you have that kind of money you would be able to use a vehicle fit for the job better. That said, I think that those suction cup racks are probably the way to go if you're driving a lamborghini...
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    I think the suction cups are a great idea if you want a portable minimalist look, for any car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Someone got their panties in a bind! Lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    I think the suction cups are a great idea if you want a portable minimalist look, for any car.
    The Seasuckers are great. A little expensive though. They might have to impose a fee on us so the poor can afford them. The Seasucker Welfare Program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toscano View Post
    I follow with great interest this topic. I work a lot and I pay a lot of taxes and I am interested in understanding what happens in other countries. I live in Italy and France, they are very similar countries about benefits and disadvantages.
    You have written many important things, but I add something.
    When you write "Nobody is going to work or produce anything if they have to give ninety cents of every dollar they make ..." you have to remember that a job is necessary, it is not a hobby ... And most people can not live without. Me too.
    I believe that in every state the public sector, of course is important, but there are high risks of corruption and inefficiency.
    You use Greece as an example. I can say something about France and Italy, than I will say something about your country of origin.
    The current crisis is unprecedented in Italy but luxury is performed as it had never happened. Jaguar, Aston Martin, Porsche etc are becoming increasingly common. In Switzerland they do not know where to put the money of the Italians ...
    The very rich French people escape in Belgium but in Florence the Jaguar and Bentley cars are more numerous than in Paris, but Florence is a small city!
    What has happened? It happened that something is broken in the mechanism that regulates the life and relations between state and citizens. A certain type of people get rich easily, another type of people are afraid of the future... You know what I mean.
    The institutions do not function properly, they always want more money to offer less and less services.
    Companies do not grow, do not work properly.
    The money or disappear into the pockets of the state or in other countries. So everyone is next to the risk of becoming poor. Very poor.
    Lastly a small personal memoir about Greece, twenty years ago I think about.
    I remember that I was astonished by the amount of Mercedes I saw in the streets. I never understood where the trick was.

    * I apologize for my basic English
    The Greeks know, or used to know, how to live despite the government and have always been able to prosper even in the face of ruinous taxation. Generally, Greece used to be a largely cash economy where a lot of the economic activity could be easily hidden. Unfortunately after 20 years of unrelenting socialism they have become no different than the majority of Europeans, completely helpless and trapped in no-productivity activities. my cousin has been in university for years pursuing a graduate degree at taxpayers expense that will gain her nothing and the pursuit of which is a means to stay out of the job market.

    She took part in the anti-austerity protests (which are pro-goverment, not anti-goverment as they are mistakingly labeled) vigorously, is a committed communist, and is suited for exactly nothing except a make-believe job.

    This is typical and for the first time since the Germans invaded seventy years ago, there are Greeks standing in soup lines. It is not the fault of the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    The Greeks know, or used to know, how to live despite the government and have always been able to prosper even in the face of ruinous taxation. Generally, Greece used to be a largely cash economy where a lot of the economic activity could be easily hidden. Unfortunately after 20 years of unrelenting socialism they have become no different than the majority of Europeans, completely helpless and trapped in no-productivity activities. my cousin has been in university for years pursuing a graduate degree at taxpayers expense that will gain her nothing and the pursuit of which is a means to stay out of the job market.

    She took part in the anti-austerity protests (which are pro-goverment, not anti-goverment as they are mistakingly labeled) vigorously, is a committed communist, and is suited for exactly nothing except a make-believe job.

    This is typical and for the first time since the Germans invaded seventy years ago, there are Greeks standing in soup lines. It is not the fault of the rich.
    And the USA is about 5 years behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    And the USA is about 5 years behind.
    Care to make a bet on that, doomsayer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Care to make a bet on that, doomsayer?
    I'm not into illegal betting. Besides, they would find a way to impose a tax and/or fee on my winnings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I'm not into illegal betting. Besides, they would find a way to impose a tax and/or fee on my winnings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I'm not into illegal betting. Besides, they would find a way to impose a tax and/or fee on my winnings.
    I was thinking more like a post admitting how wrong you were when we don't turin into Greece the way you've predicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I was thinking more like a post admitting how wrong you were when we don't turin into Greece the way you've predicted.
    Well, you tell me, what's going to change? We are already beyond the point of no return. And our current administration isn't doing anything to make it better. In fact they are, in my opinion, by design, making it worse.

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    Let's stop. Let's just revisit in 5 years to see if we've turned in lazy dirty Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ss hack View Post
    let's stop. Let's just revisit in 5 years to see if we've turned in lazy dirty greeks.
    ok.

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    Has anyone else read Atlas Shrugged? There are amazing similarities to the current situation across the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Has anyone else read Atlas Shrugged? There are amazing similarities to the current situation across the globe.





    No. I read Peter Pan when I was kid though. I'll bet the Bentley is just the guys bike beater, wouldn't want to scratch the Roll's ya know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I'll bet the Bentley is just the guys bike beater, wouldn't want to scratch the Roll's ya know.
    You may be onto something there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Has anyone else read Atlas Shrugged? There are amazing similarities to the current situation across the globe.
    Hey, does your username mean Sales punk or Sale spunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I'm not into illegal betting. Besides, they would find a way to impose a tax and/or fee on my winnings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnozpikr View Post
    You may be onto something there.
    I always thought the Bentley was just a badge engineered RR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Any self respecting MTBers bike costs more than their car, I want to see what cost more than the Bentley.
    I'm glad that i'm in the right club then. Someone was parked close to me the other day, and when their kid went to get out of the back seat, I heard the parent say "dont hit that bike"...nevermind the possibility of bashing their door into my car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I always thought the Bentley was just a badge engineered RR?
    It definitely does look similar to a Phantom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I always thought the Bentley was just a badge engineered RR?
    afaik you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    afaik you are correct.
    "Badge engineering
    After World War II production of Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars was moved to an ex-wartime engine factory in Crewe, Cheshire and standard-steel Bentleys were slightly lower priced Rolls-Royces without the Rolls' distinctive square-shouldered grille."

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    Bentlys are usually much higher performance, much stiffer suspension, more power, better handling, etc. That's always been the draw. Usually RR if you're going to be driven and want ultimate comfort, and Bently if you're going to drive yourself and want luxury and performance.
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    Bentley and Rolls are two completely different companies now. Bentley was bought by VW and they thought they were getting Rolls as well, but the attorneys did not do their due diligence. It was one of the great corporate ripoffs of all time Rolls sold them the Bentley name and manufacturing facility, but not the rights or designs for the Rolls name. Rolls Royce manufacturing then sold the rights to the Rolls auto name and designs to BMW which is who now manufactures the cars.

    In other words, there is no more badge engineering. BMW owns Rolls and VW owns Bentley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Bentley and Rolls are two completely different companies now. Bentley was bought by VW and they thought they were getting Rolls as well, but the attorneys did not do their due diligence. It was one of the great corporate ripoffs of all time Rolls sold them the Bentley name and manufacturing facility, but not the rights or designs for the Rolls name. Rolls Royce manufacturing then sold the rights to the Rolls auto name and designs to BMW which is who now manufactures the cars.

    In other words, there is no more badge engineering. BMW owns Rolls and VW owns Bentley.
    But they still have the worst electrical systems this side of Jag, right? I know VW is in the running too ...

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    Volkswagen Phaeton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The Phaeton's platform, the Volkswagen Group D1 platform, is shared with the Bentley Continental GT and Bentley Continental Flying Spur."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    Volkswagen Phaeton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The Phaeton's platform, the Volkswagen Group D1 platform, is shared with the Bentley Continental GT and Bentley Continental Flying Spur."
    So, 200k+ for a VW? Wow, can I have "tool" tattooed on my forehead too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    But they still have the worst electrical systems this side of Jag, right? I know VW is in the running too ...




    They don't call Lucas the "Prince of Darkness" for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    They don't call Lucas the "Prince of Darkness" for nothing.
    When I was a kid we had a 1967 Jag, nice car to drive if/when it started. Lucas electrical, two small gas tanks, lots of leather seals everywhere, crazy inboard rear disk brakes. It did have an independent rear rear end and overhead cams - have Americans invented these two features yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    So, 200k+ for a VW? Wow, can I have "tool" tattooed on my forehead too?
    the VW phaeton did not exactly fly off the lots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    When I was a kid we had a 1967 Jag, nice car to drive if/when it started. Lucas electrical, two small gas tanks, lots of leather seals everywhere, crazy inboard rear disk brakes. It did have an independent rear rear end and overhead cams - have Americans invented these two features yet?



    IRS is nothing new, Corvettes (1963) have had them for decades and there are plenty of American cars with overhead cams (Pontiac in 1966). None however with the worst electrical system ever inflicted on man though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    IRS is nothing new, Corvettes (1963) have had them for decades and there are plenty of American cars with overhead cams (Pontiac in 1966). None however with the worst electrical system ever inflicted on man though.
    I was kidding a bit as American companies are very slow adopters, but I'd rather have a classic American car any day over the Jag.

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    I don't know, I'd love to have an XKE Roadster. One of the most beautiful cars ever made imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I don't know, I'd love to have an XKE Roadster. One of the most beautiful cars ever made imo.
    I agree, perhaps the most beautiful ... when they start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    Volkswagen Phaeton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The Phaeton's platform, the Volkswagen Group D1 platform, is shared with the Bentley Continental GT and Bentley Continental Flying Spur."
    I remember when the Phaeton came out because of the W12. Wikipedia claims it is still in production but I wonder how many people have ever even seen one, at least in the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I don't know, I'd love to have an XKE Roadster. One of the most beautiful cars ever made imo.
    that and the porsche 917. IMHO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnozpikr View Post
    I remember when the Phaeton came out because of the W12. Wikipedia claims it is still in production but I wonder how many people have ever even seen one, at least in the U.S.
    i've seen a phaeton in san francisco. they're indistinguishable from any other VW until you take a harder look at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    i've seen a phaeton in san francisco. they're indistinguishable from any other VW until you take a harder look at them.
    Me too and they're just about as ugly as a new large MB, I might add. New Golf looks better and in GTI form would be more fun too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Me too and they're just about as ugly as a new large MB, I might add. New Golf looks better and in GTI form would be more fun too.
    call me a retro-freak but give me the immaculately restored '69 or '70 imperial with ALL the bells and whistles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    call me a retro-freak but give me the immaculately restored '69 or '70 imperial with ALL the bells and whistles...
    I'm a bit of a retro freak too, even preferring old BMWs and classic MBs over the stuff they offer now. The new stuff often lacks any personally.

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    im a sitting but a few minutes from where the op took the shot. looks like its in the sunset. im at 19th and ocean lol

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    Speaking of richness and 917s and sitting.....these are $6500

    crap see next....

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    Richness + 917 + sitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    They don't call Lucas the "Prince of Darkness" for nothing.
    My son mechanics in an import auto specialty shop. He tells me the reason they drink warm beer in England is because Lucas did the wiring for all the beer coolers.
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    Holy shiz I can't believe I unsubcribed from this thread.
    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    And can't afford bikes (it's empty)

    Man, the cost of bikes is too damn high - even for rich people apparently

    RIGHT ON! THIS GUY ^^^^^
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    As an alleged 'hippie/lefty/commie/liberal' I guess I should subscribe to the view that nobody should have a car like this, but seriously WTF?!? What the hell is wrong with a) Someone HAVING a car like this; b) Someone putting a bike rack on it so they can take a bike somewhere...? I cannot believe the pantie twisting going on about all of it! BFD...

    By the way, I found this on the subject of Fagerlin, and found it amusing... (apologies if it is something that has been posted/read before, wouldn't be the first time this happened):

    We open on a cozy dining room in a well-appointed house in northern California. The Fagerlin family sits down to an abundant dinner of roast chicken, steamed brown rice, mixed veggies and a baguette of designer bread. A bottle of fine Napa wine finishes off the bounty.


    Mrs. Fagerlin (to Pete): "Honey, would you like a leg or a breast?"

    Pete: "are we talking about the chicken?"

    (insert laughter)

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "Honey! Not in front of Petey Jr.!"

    the Fagerlins all dine on their dinner and beverages...

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "So how was work today honey?"

    Pete: "Well, it was going ok until Adam's dog died"

    Petey Jr.: "I like doggies!"

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "Oh I'm so sorry, have I met Adam?"

    Pete: "No, you haven't. He, um, posts on MTBR"

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "what's MTBR?"

    Pete: "It's a message board on the internet for cyclists, but this nimrod thought he could use it as a substitute for real friends and family, it had NOTHING to do with bikes. Nothing."

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "oh, but you know him from riding?"

    Pete: "Um, no, we've never met"

    Petey Jr.: "Why did the doggie have to die, daddy?"

    Pete: "That's not important kid. What is important is that these lame, sniveling newbies don't understand what true cycling passion is all about."

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "Please pass the chic....."

    Pete: "HANG ON LADY! So then 'Singletrack' makes some comment about cars and man I put him right in his place by telling him that it's WHO posts that matters. If it's the owner of the site, then it's cool, so then I call him a 'D!ck'.

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "Honey, your langua....."

    Pete: "Quiet!" So then 'ronny' snipes at me and BAM! I call him an a$$hole and move on to the next loser. Who wants some? I guess it's Soupboy, who I reduce to tears by calling him 'Soupchild'. BOOYA! Now I'm hitting my stride - it's beautiful! I'm untouchable! I dispatch SDtrailblazer with a swift "LOL" and "Boo Hoo", LocoMan chimes in and I take him out with a "ROTFLMAO", and then..."

    Petey Jr.: "Daddy what's "ROTFL..."

    Pete: "eat your chicken, junior"

    we cut to Mrs. Fagerlin who is obviously uncomfortable and is thinking about how to get out of the situation that's developing at the table.

    Pete: "Well looky here, if it isn't Donkey, asking to step into the House of Pain...."

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "Petey, come with mommy for a minute to the bathroom, you need to blow your nose"

    Petey Jr. "ok mommy"

    Pete continues to boast of his debate victories as Mrs. Fagerlin and Petey Jr. now make a mad dash for the garage. Pete hears the engine of his Porsche rev up and races to see what's going on.

    Petey Jr.: "Where are we going mommy? Where's daddy?"

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "Daddy isn't feeling too well right now so we're going to spend some time with grandma"

    Just then Pete bursts into the garage, nostrils flared and eyes bulging.

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "Jesus! Petey lock your door!"

    Petey Jr. (crying): "what's wrong with daddy, why does he look like that?"

    Mrs. Fagerlin: "sometimes grown-ups lose track of their priorities honey, daddy needs help."

    Mrs. Fagerlin races the Porsche down the street and out of the nice, otherwise quiet neighborhood. We cut to Pete standing in the driveway, shouting "BUT THEY'RE ALL INFERIOR A$$HOLES!!!!!! AND THEY CAN'T SPELL......"

    and we disolve to black.

    stay tuned for scenes from next week's episode where Pete breaks into the office at the mental ward to log on to MTBR....



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    Oh, and while on the subject of vehicle electrics, and Lucas in particular, yes they were awful, but probably not a lot more awful than the alternatives at the time... Having owned both old Brit bikes from the 60s, and Italian bikes from the 70s, I have to say I have junked probably more Italian electrical components over the years...
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    Car people think my car sucks
    Bike people think my bike sucks
    I am a garbage person

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdlfcrsis View Post
    Car people think my car sucks
    Bike people think my bike sucks
    I am a garbage person
    Your garbage sucks

    Those Car people suck
    Those Bike people suck
    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11 bravo View Post
    my son mechanics in an import auto specialty shop. He tells me the reason they drink warm beer in england is because lucas did the wiring for all the beer coolers.:d
    lol

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    [QUOTE=wmac;10056022]Your garbage sucks


    Truly a haunting commentary on the existential crisis facing a culture in decline.

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    a bentley without a bike rack just for sh!ts and giggles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    a bentley without a bike rack just for sh!ts and giggles...
    Beautiful, much better looking than their new models to me.

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    Who cares? They ride. I could care what someone makes. It's their business, not mine nor anyone else's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbadwulff View Post
    Who cares? They ride. I could care what someone makes. It's their business, not mine nor anyone else's!
    You are really outdated; America is all about trying to force everyone to like the same things nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    You are really outdated; America is all about trying to force everyone to like the same things nowadays.
    And hating on rich people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stencil View Post
    And hating on rich people.
    Or liberals, poor, semi-rich, middle class, white, black, in between, or what have you. At least everyone has someone to hate.

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    i cannot believe the hate i've generated by posting an innocuous photo. lighten up, people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    So one day I'm at a major trailhead in SoCal with a fellow MTBR member and we're waiting for a couple folks to show up. As we are waiting, a Bentley coupe pulls up and parks next to me. A middle aged man who was CLEARLY not in what would be described as "prime physical shape" gets out of the car, wearing a full shop kit (i.e., lycra shorts, jersey, etc. - it was not pretty) and walks to the back of the car, pulls his shoes out of the trunk and just waits. My buddy and I exchange glances and are like WTF? Where's this dude's bike?

    A few moments later, another car pulls up, a man in a suit gets out, opens the trunk and pulls out a CF Niner (top of the line rig), hands it to Bentley man, says he'll be back in a couple hours and takes off.

    Not kidding.
    Now that's gangsta!!!!!! LOL!!!!!! Man I gotta win the lottery. Guess I gotta play first.

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    So much hate and so little love.

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    I love all you guys!!

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    Bullsh!t.

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