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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Yesterday, around 2pm there was a freak snow storm with blizzard like conditions up here in North Lake Tahoe. Earlier that morning had been beautiful, sunny with temps nearing the 50's. My wife, kid and I had just left the house on our way to Ace and when we got to the stop sign to turn onto the highway (just a 2 lane road in and out of the basin) we saw a roadie stopped on his way down the very steep 2 mile decline to the lake. He was wearing spandex shorts and a short sleeve bike jersey. No backpack or pack on his bike.

    As we stopped I heard him ask if he could get a ride, but our small SUV had no room for his bike with the kid in the car seat and his ridiculous stroller taking up the way back. I just shrugged and mouthed the words "sorry, no room" and we went on our way.

    On the way to Ace I started feeing bad that I didn't do more to help him, being a fellow bicycler and all. I thought, I live so close to where we ran into him, i could of dropped the kid and wife off back at the house and then would have had room to help him out.

    However, a little further down the road I saw several more roadies in the same situation, some in groups, some solo. None of them had backpacks and most were in spandex shorts, with short sleeve shirts or light long sleeve wind-breakers. Then i saw two mtbers right off a trail head putting jackets and pants on that they got out of their backpacks. I also saw a few other mtbers riding with warm clothes on and they all had backpacks and bike packs, which i assume is where they got the warm clothes from.

    After that, I then thought to myself, stupid roadies, serves them right. Ya, the weather was supposed to be sunny and great all day, but sh*t, I went on a short 8 mile ride to the summit and back that morning expecting great weather (which I got, since i made it home before the freak storm) and I still brought my backpack filed with no brainer items like warm windbreaker jacket and pants, 1st aid kit, food, extra water, bike tools and some cash. These roadies are probably riding 30 to 50+ miles and they bring just about nothing?

    Whats the deal with roadies not being prepared? Do they think **** just ain't going to happen to them?



    Still a little curious what happened to the guy I saw at the top of the highway. I imagine those skinny rim brakes were all but useless in the wet snow and those thin tires had to have been worthless as well. Maybe someone else picked him up.

    Edit: feel like **** now after getting some perspective from you all. Please read my below posts regarding my POS behavior. I did post this for perspective, which have some more of now, but since it was a pretty ****ty thing I did (or didn't do) I understand if you feel the need to give me more perspective.
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    A lot of those "poor roadies" you're having such a good time looking down on are mountain bikers as well. I probably know some of them as I rode with the Reno Wheelmen when I lived in Susanville.

    It's the middle of MAY. They got caught in a freak storm.

    Get over yourself.

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    Re: Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Had a big group mtb ride out in the sticks on a ranch down here in Texas. It was me and my buddy we took my truck (single cab ranger) we started to leave after our ride and 2 roadies came up to us, a couple. The man asked if we could take his chick back a few miles. These were my exact words to him "if she dont mind skiing on the way home she is more then welcome to ride with us" he didnt like that to much. But hey if your gonna drag your chick on a long bike ride that she may not be able to handle you deserve the sarcasm.....poor girl she looked so tired

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion_ View Post
    A lot of those "poor roadies" you're having such a good time looking down on are mountain bikers as well. I probably know some of them as I rode with the Reno Wheelmen when I lived in Susanville.

    It's the middle of MAY. They got caught in a freak storm.


    Get over yourself.
    This. Your only showing your ignorance as a "bicycler". Most folks who have been riding a while just consider themselves cyclist and dabble in a bit of both whether they focus on road or mountain.

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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    OP: Choke yourself, you self righteous POS.


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    Aren't you awesome? Didn't some poor guy recently freeze to death on a mountain bike ride? Not being prepared isn't something that's unique to one type of riding.

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    Why do people always point out the differences like roadie vs mt biker, skier vs snowboarder ect. instead of embracing the commonalties? I just don't get it.

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    A biker is a biker, I can't imagine not helping someone out that is caught in a bad situation no matter what type of bike they are riding.
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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Wow. Just wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    OP: Choke yourself, you self righteous POS.


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    Yes, like i said, I felt bad for not helping him out at first, but then I thought they where stupid for not brining any supplies. It is May, but it is also the Sierra Nevada mountains, being prepared is very important up here. I never understood why they don't ride with backpacks with emergency items up here.

    I do appreciate the perspective and next time I will do more to help. My bad for not doing anything to help out the guy at the top of the pass. I am afraid Karma will most likely get me back for that one.

    I do have friends that road bike, but not up here. They bring their mountain bikes when they come up, as well as their gear. However, if that was one of my friends not thinking about being prepared I would feel bad for him. So once again, thanks for the perspective, i feel like **** now, and will go out of my way to help when I see a fellow bicyclist in need regardless of the situation.

    You all have every right for calling me out and i did post this to get perspective, which i got.
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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    You all have every right for calling me out and i did post this to get perspective, which i got.
    Good. Live and learn, man.




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    Re: Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    So black smoking on roadies in my diesel is bad? Sorry

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    Riding a road bike while carrying a backpack?

    Talk about not an enjoyable ride at all. Carring pounds of crap on a mountain bike is nothing, carrying anything other than the basic water bottle and tubes/tools in an under saddle pack on a road bike is pretty much miserable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    Riding a road bike while carrying a backpack?

    Talk about not an enjoyable ride at all. Carring pounds of crap on a mountain bike is nothing, carrying anything other than the basic water bottle and tubes/tools in an under saddle pack on a road bike is pretty much miserable.
    It's all about perspective, and I have never been on a road bike before, so I wouldn't understand. Guess that makes sense though. Those bikes don't look very comfortable to begin with, so I can now imagine the extra gear would suck.
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    OP does raise a valid point.

    Where I live cycling is very popular as you can ride close 12 months a year road and trail.
    Mtbers around here ride with well stocked packs as, weather here can change very quickly.

    Whereas I never see roadies with packs. Its always jerseys with what looks to be an iPhone, power gels,and a spare tube (maybe)
    I ve seen roadies riding the sea to sky highway which is 50miles rolling hairpin coastal highway(locals call it the sea to die as it very dangerous piece of road) with nothing more than a jersey and bottle.
    Ive seen them on the side of road soaking wet with no rain gear in the nasty rain storms that commonly roll through there.
    IME most self respecting mtbers generally plan ahead somewhat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palerider View Post
    Why do people always point out the differences like roadie vs mt biker, skier vs snowboarder ect. instead of embracing the commonalties? I just don't get it.
    I truly feel bad after reading the replies. During the freak storm I felt bad at first when i didn't help, then tried to justify my inaction by separating roadies from MTBrs, but like you said, we really aint that different. I hope you all can at least understand my ignorance a little.

    I promise to help all in need in the future, even if I don't understand their ways.
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    at leas you feel bad now.....
    ... you mentioned that this wasn't too far away from your house.
    If i was you in this situation, I'd put guy in the car, take his bike and hold it with my arm out the window if I had to and drive back to the house to dropp the bike off or take the bike rack. Then I'd drop him off at his house or a place of his choice if his house was way off the route i was expecting to take.

    Who cares if it's a roadie. He was a cyclist in need and more importantly a man facing bad weather in mountains with no proper clothing.

    Hope you learn not to be a d1ick next time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallymaniac View Post
    at leas you feel bad now.....
    ... you mentioned that this wasn't too far away from your house.
    If i was you in this situation, I'd put guy in the car, take his bike and hold it with my arm out the window if I had to and drive back to the house to dropp the bike off or take the bike rack. Then I'd drop him off at his house or a place of his choice if his house was way off the route i was expecting to take.

    Who cares if it's a roadie. He was a cyclist in need and more importantly a man facing bad weather in mountains with no proper clothing.

    Hope you learn not to be a d1ick next time...
    Yes, good points and options for when I think I can't help and I am learning not to be a d1ick to roadies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rallymaniac View Post
    He was a cyclist in need and more importantly a man facing bad weather in mountains with no proper clothing.

    Hope you learn not to be a d1ick next time...
    My point exactly riding in the mountains is dangerous and no matter if you a roadie or mtber it is your responsibility to take care of your safety not someone else's job.
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    I have always been a bit of an elitist when it comes to mtn vs road. However, I do ride road from time to time and find some enjoyment. In this case, I agree with an earlier comment that mentioned just being a cyclist, regardless of discipline. I would go a bit farther and just lump us all in the "fellow human" category.

    I think that a mountain biker naturally needs to be more prepared, as they are more likely to be further from civilization in the case of an emergency. But anyone can make mistakes. I think maybe both you and those roadies may have learned their lesson

    Thanks for the post.

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    Just curious, if the original post upsets you, what exactly it is that bothers you?

    1. The lack of assistance to the rider in need?
    2. The 'serves him right attitude' of the author?
    3. The smug generalizations about road cyclists vs. mtn bikers?

    ... Maybe it's some combination of the above, or something else I've not touched on?

    Because if I were in the same situation as the original poster (based on what I've read in this thread), I also would have left that guy on the side of the road. And these are my reasons why:

    Based solely on what I've read in this post, I do not believe the cyclist was in grave danger. If he was, then yes, bad on the OP for driving away. But if the cyclist was merely cold, wet, and uncomfortable because 1. he wasn't appropriately dressed and 2. he failed to check (or take heed of )the weather report before setting foot in the great outdoors, well then it's his own tough luck and hopefully he learned his lesson for next time. Also, the OP mentions that his wife was in the car. If the cyclist was in really bad shape and the OP somehow failed to notice, I think she would prolly object to leaving the guy stranded. (I know, that's yet another assumption).

    I have deduced that this incident occurred on Hwy 28 between Tahoe Vista and Tahoe City. (I may be incorrect). But if the cyclist was in fact on Hwy 28, there would be no shortage of traffic to flag down and hitch a ride. So maybe the OP didn't have room in his car and subconsciously realized that someone else with more space in their vehicle could and would come to this rider's aid in short order. That portion of Hwy 28 is lined with houses, it's basically a continuous suburb from Tahoe Vista to Tahoe City. It's not like it's the back of beyond or anything remotely remote.

    Generalizations are just that: generalizations. They exist for a reason. Another term along those lines is profiling. We all do it to a greater or lesser degree. When used appropriately, I believe it's absolutely fine, and in certain situations, necessary and wise. Of course other times it's just plain wrong. It all depends...

    By the way, I have aided many cyclists, both roadies and mtn bikers in the past. I have also ridden or driven right by many other cyclists that prolly could have used a helping hand (but didn't seem to be in any kind of danger). If that makes me a d.i.c.k. in the eyes of some, I'm OK with that.

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    Funny thing to me is that I personally don't carry more gear when mtbing than I do when on the road.

    Maybe that person/roadie was a tourist and didn't have all his gear. Who knows?
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    I think your conscience has gotten the best of you because you know you missed an opportunity to help the guy out. You're okay, we all make mistakes and learn from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewadley View Post
    A biker is a biker, I can't imagine not helping someone out that is caught in a bad situation no matter what type of bike they are riding.
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    Wow. Just wow.
    I agree on both counts!

    Just wow!

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    If I see a rider (any kind, even motorcyclists) who needs assistance, I always stop and at least ask. Even if I'm not able to transport them and the bike, I will offer to call for help. Thus far my help has always been refused. But if I were ever in the same situation, I would appreciate the help from fellow cyclists.
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    A "freak snow storm with blizzard like conditions" is no joke. People die from that kind of thing.

    mountain biker froze to death, sad story

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Wow. Just wow.
    ^^^This^^^

    OP, glad you say you got some perspective. You needed it.

    And what is with the spandex hate anyway? I love spandex. And I am like 90% mountain biker with an occasional foray into road riding.

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    ...this type of stuff, and just pluggin through it, makes a person harder than woodpecker lips

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    Quote Originally Posted by catsruletn View Post
    ...

    And what is with the spandex hate anyway? I love spandex. And I am like 90% mountain biker with an occasional foray into road riding...
    Yeah, I don't understand it either. It's like people saying that they love running but they will refuse to wear sneakers and will wear snow boots instead

    It's called proper tool for proper job. I hate riding in my baggies. They bunch up, they limit my leg movements and get caught up on the seat all the time whenever I stand up for some trail features. But, some people value cool more than comfort, that's ok, but not everyone needs to be cool.

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    I understand that cyclists are a community. I have given up my tube or rode home and back to help a roadie out with a pump, I almost always offer my multi to anyone on the side of the road ( especially the ladies .

    That said though, I would never expect someone with their wife and kid in the car to just let me hop on in. As I would never pick up any sort of hitch hiker, whether he had a bike or not. Risk vs Reward is just too far off. Sometimes you make your own luck and you have to learn from your mistakes. I ride flat shoes for two reasons 1) lower risk of injury 2) if I need to walk, I can do so with a normal stride. Both points help me to get myself home if things go wrong.

    btw if you are stranded on the road, can't you just call a cab ? Might cost an arm and a leg to get them out there, but it was your choice to be there. Some mtbrs have to get airlifted out of the woods to get to a hospital, so a cab ride is easy and cheap by comparison. There is always the ambulance if you are suffering hypothermia.

    Sorry if my opinion seems crass, but I guess I am more loner than community minded. Never had nor expected anyone to make up for my mistakes or lack of preparation. So I learned to be conservative in my decision-making.

    Again, sorry to sound like a stick in the mud. I know lots of you guys have had great experiences. I am just offering my opinion.

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    Sorry to pile on after you've come around... but what seems most bothersome is not only did he need help, he asked for it. And you drove away. Put yourself in his shoes (or even better... your kid a decade or two from now), and ask what you'd think of someone that drove away after you/your kid asked someone for help.

    Just imagine how high your horse could have been if you had helped him.

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    This is an interesting thread. It seams like there are a lot of people who would like to call the OP an A-hole because this rider was not prepared. Yeah, it was a freak storm, in the time of year when freak storms happen all the time. I'm not for leaving people freezing on the side of the road regardless of what type of bike they ride but there is definitely a mentality with many riders (road and mountain) that caring extra gear ruins their ride... even someone in this thread made a comment like, caring a pack on a road bike??? That would be no fun at all. I'm guessing the rider wished he would have inconvenienced himself with a little more gear and was fine as he was close to civilization and probably in cell range. I don't think that the OP intended ill will to the rider but just pointed out a trend of unpreparedness that is rampant amongst the road riding masses... your not racing the Tour de France, you don't have a support car, carry some gear.

    I seriously hope that every person who has said something negative about the OP has taken time away from there family to help an ill prepared rider every time the situation arose.

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    The guy had his wife and kid in the car, no room for the guy and his bike, or all of the riders friends up the road plus their gear. What is he supposed to do? Make trip after trip taking these people home? The best you can do is offer to call someone for him, but that's about it. I would never let someone in my car that I didn't know, especially if my wife and kids are with me.

    It sucks that they got stuck and were cold, but if you didn't have room there is nothing you can do about it.

    I was cold and miserable and cold on my rainy/snowy Saturday ride, but I just sucked it up and rode the 15 miles back home (no jacket).

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    OP here, just thought I should add a few more details regarding the situation, not that it in anyway justifies me not helping out this bicyclist.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlmuncie View Post
    A "freak snow storm with blizzard like conditions" is no joke. People die from that kind of thing.

    mountain biker froze to death, sad story
    It was a freak storm and the temp dropped from almost 50 degrees down to about 34-32. However, I don't think the guy was in any kind of mortal danger being that about 1 to 1.5 miles down the highway is the town of Kings Beach with a Safeway and Starbucks and plenty of other businesses for shelter. Roads were wet, but snow was not sticking to them and did not end up doing so due to the warm temps and sun heating them up that morning. But that next 1 to 1.5 miles on a wet downhill with those skinny tires and rim brakes I assume would not have been very pleasant or possibly even safe.

    If this were out in BFE somewhere I think I would have done what I could to help. I hope I would have, and after this thread I know I now will for sure.

    With that said, since the guy was heading towards Kings Beach he may not of known that a town was so close since the direction he appeared to be coming from is about 10+ miles from Truckee with nothing really in-between so given that…

    Quote Originally Posted by Stupendous Man View Post
    If I see a rider (any kind, even motorcyclists) who needs assistance, I always stop and at least ask. Even if I'm not able to transport them and the bike, I will offer to call for help. Thus far my help has always been refused. But if I were ever in the same situation, I would appreciate the help from fellow cyclists.
    I should at the very least rolled down my window to ask if he knew where he was going and if he knew there was shelter not far ahead. Also, I should have checked to make sure he had a cell phone, which i totally assume he did, but you never know and as I said earlier I didn't think he was in any kind of mortal danger, but a simple question of "are you alright" would have let me know for sure.

    I should have done at least something to help the guy out, even if it was as little as rolling down my window to check on the guy and make sure he knew where he was going, where to find shelter and offer him my cell to use if he did not have one. However, I think I need to do more than that from now on if/when I see a roadie in need to make up for not doing at least the bare minimum to help this guy.
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    WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. So by your own account, Mr. Singletrackmack, the nearest Starbucks was OVER ONE MILE AWAY and you left that fellow bicycler forlorn by the side of the road to fend for himself while you smugly and selfishly drove away with no regard for the completely avoidable mental and physical anguish that you alone could have alleviated and that he no doubt suffered???

    wow. just wow.

    Choke yourself, you self righteous POS.

    If i was you in this situation, I'd put guy in the car, take his bike and hold it with my arm out the window if I had to and drive back to the house to dropp the bike off or take the bike rack. Then I'd drop him off at his house or a place of his choice if his house was way off the route i was expecting to take.

    ...because his comfort and well being is your primary responsibility, nay, it is your sole purpose in life. Your wife? Your child? Pshaw!!!! They are but mere insignificant specks compared to that glorious Adonis that you so carelessly disregarded and abandoned. And not only he, but also every other precious and innocent lamb beautifully clad in the tightest and most miminally protective attire that found themselves lost in the wilderness who hath strayed from the safety of the shepherd's verdant and pastoral meadows. Their protective natural coats shaven bare to expose the wonderment and glory laying beneath. Yea, they expose themselves selflessly so that we may admire the beauty within....

    Hope you learn not to be a d1ick next time.

    ...you hateful and bigoted sorry excuse for a human being. Embrace the beauty of lycra, you boorish philistine!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion_ View Post
    A lot of those "poor roadies" you're having such a good time looking down on are mountain bikers as well. I probably know some of them as I rode with the Reno Wheelmen when I lived in Susanville.

    It's the middle of MAY. They got caught in a freak storm.

    Get over yourself.
    if you are going to ride in that area, be prepared.

    these things happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    Riding a road bike while carrying a backpack?

    Talk about not an enjoyable ride at all. Carring pounds of crap on a mountain bike is nothing, carrying anything other than the basic water bottle and tubes/tools in an under saddle pack on a road bike is pretty much miserable.
    i agree with you on that even though i don't ride road.

    i do, however ride a cross bike on combined road/dirt trips and at first, i tried it with a camelbak. talk about pain! the drop bar riding position does not jibe well with wearing a pack. but i DO stuff my jersey pockets as full as i can stuff them when i head out on my cross.

    we don't get many freak storms here in the bay area but the fog and cold can come in hard and fast, making a warm, sunny day a cold, clammy one.

    again, be prepared.

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    Just a few months ago I recall a thread about stopping and helping someone with a flat tire vs not stopping and helping them out. I remember arguing that people should at least stop to see if someone is ok but I was bombarded with replies that people should be prepared and held accountable. This time I'm going to play devils advocate and agree that the OP did the right thing. I'm not saying he needs to drive the roadie anywhere but at least he stopped and checked in on him. There were a ton of others stuck in the weather as well, is the OP supposed to just take the responsibility and help everyone? Sure, if nobody was in his car he may have helped out but he had his wife and kid in there. I don't think he's being an a55hole for going upon his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewadley View Post
    A biker is a biker, I can't imagine not helping someone out that is caught in a bad situation no matter what type of bike they are riding.
    A human being is a human being. i can't imagine not helping anyone caught in a bad situation period.

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    There are two things going on here...helping/not helping a cyclist when he had family etc. in the car and the crass anti-roadie thing. I ride road, and don't often carry much with me beyond food/drink/flat fix etc. Fine..you didn't stop b/c you couldn't. Did he have a phone? Could you have offered yours/call for help? But the "roadies are d-bags/serves him right for wearing spandex"..really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    i do, however ride a cross bike on combined road/dirt trips and at first, i tried it with a camelbak. talk about pain! the drop bar riding position does not jibe well with wearing a pack. but i DO stuff my jersey pockets as full as i can stuff them when i head out on my cross.
    Then how about a frame bag?


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    OP, don't take all the comments about you being a self-righteous prick and all too seriously. If you look hard enough at this site you'll see that's largely what it is made up of. I mean I couldn't possibly count how many times folks on this site call out overweight people, or people who like to watch team sports like football, but yet they'll goo over the TDF and neg rep anyone who event mentions what a D-Bag Lance Armstrong is...(wait...wait...it's comming). Ya, of all the people bashing you none of them have cheated on their taxes, or their spouse/sig other. They never smoke a cigar or drink alchohol. They don't partake in mind numbing marajuana or over-the-counter meds for more than pure pain control. They never drive distracted, they never JUDGE!

    Self righteousness is staring many right in the face.

    Anyway to your point, you did nothing wrong other than post your ignorant views on mtbr. Now that you've been all-schooled-up the world is a better place.

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    I don't have an opinion on your actions. I wasn't there, but I suggest you take a few road rides and see another perspective of cycling. It's quite fun. Different from Mtn biking but enjoyable all the same. Nothing like catching up with another roadie, getting on his wheel and working together and pushing each other without even speaking to each other. I have this experience quite often and it's really fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkmeister View Post
    WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. So by your own account, Mr. Singletrackmack, the nearest Starbucks was OVER ONE MILE AWAY and you left that fellow bicycler forlorn by the side of the road to fend for himself while you smugly and selfishless drove away with no regard for the completely avoidable mental and physical anguish that you alone could have alleviated and that he no doubt suffered???

    wow. just wow.

    Choke yourself, you self righteous POS.

    If i was you in this situation, I'd put guy in the car, take his bike and hold it with my arm out the window if I had to and drive back to the house to dropp the bike off or take the bike rack. Then I'd drop him off at his house or a place of his choice if his house was way off the route i was expecting to take.

    ...because his comfort and well being is your primary responsibility, nay, it is your sole purpose in life. Your wife? Your child? Pshaw!!!! They are but mere insignificant specks compared to that glorious Adonis that you so carelessly disregarded and abandoned. And not only he, but also every other precious and innocent lamb beautifully clad in the tightest and most miminally protective attire that found themselves lost in the wilderness who hath strayed from the safety of the shepherd's verdant and pastoral meadows. Their protective natural coats shaven bare to expose the wonderment and glory laying beneath. Yea, they expose themselves selflessly so that we may admire the beauty within....

    Hope you learn not to be a d1ick next time.

    ...you hateful and bigoted sorry excuse for a human being. Embrace the beauty of lycra, you boorish philistine!!!!!!

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    Poor Mr. Singletrackmack... well actually, maybe it serves you right.
    ummm, not sure why you quoted me in your sarcastic coment. Maybe learn how to quote multiple responses correctly so it's clear to all of us what you're trying to write.

    I was pointing out the fact that I'd try to help the guy. Since when, offering a helping hand is regarded as bad behavior. Yes, I care about my wife and kids ins a car but If i can help a guy out without going out of my way (which this would most likely not be such) why would I not want to do it. It's called good manners and behavior and I get teh feeling that the current generations of elitists are lacking it more and more.

    My comment about him not being a d1ick next time referred to the fact that not only did he not offer help but he also ridiculed the poor guy.

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    This is either totally unbelievable or a troll. Who needs perspective on helping another human being? Who cares what he was riding? Hopefully the OP does realize his mistake.

    BTW side story - this weekend I saw a gentleman riding up the trail on a Road Bike, he was on the older side - Very impressive I have to say - it didn't seem like anyone questioned his "bike"!
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    Not sure if roadies or mtb'ers are d!cks but your average mtbr'er these days tends to be a judgemental pr!ck.
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    People make mistakes.

    The road riders for not being a little more prepared.
    The OP for not doing more to help.
    Some of the posters here for slamming the OP so hard.

    And I'm sure I'll show bad judgement again before too long.
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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Good for the op for learning something and taking all the abuse like a grown up.

    I ride on the road. I would never carry a backpack. Maybe some arm and leg warmers and a jacket if I thought the weather would warrant it. But I was thinking of skiing near there this last weekend for the last time and checked the weather and snow was not in the horizon.

    Riding a road bike, you don't have the same kinds of mechanicals; you try to be more aerodynamic; and you certainly don't account for improbable freak storms even though you should. So, your packing is mostly surrounding the mindset of not bonking and repairing flats. I feel for them and would ride like hell to get off the mountain.

    OP, don't beat yourself up though. It's done. Nobody died (that I've heard). And everybody involved learned something. Like me: I should have gone skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    Riding a road bike while carrying a backpack?

    Talk about not an enjoyable ride at all. Carring pounds of crap on a mountain bike is nothing, carrying anything other than the basic water bottle and tubes/tools in an under saddle pack on a road bike is pretty much miserable.
    Freezing to death is a lot less fun. Taking responsibility for your own safety is part of being an adult.Weather in mountainous areas is always unpredictable weather can change fast.

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    Because a mountain biker has never ever been ill prepared... I've seen people all the time out on the trails miles from their cars with no water, helmets, food, tools, tubes, jackets, etc... Don't think I ever thought "serves them right, stupid mountain bikers and their baggy clothes," though. Ill prepared is ill prepared, not sure why spandex or the type of bike comes into play. I think the reception to this thread could've been a little bit better if there wasn't the us vs. them mentality underlying it. Surprisingly enough to some on here, we're not all strictly mountain bikers!

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    " I think the reception to this thread could've been a little bit better if there wasn't the us vs. them mentality underlying it."

    good point.

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