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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Riding a road bike, you don't have the same kinds of mechanicals; you try to be more aerodynamic; and you certainly don't account for improbable freak storms even though you should. So, your packing is mostly surrounding the mindset of not bonking and repairing flats. I feel for them and would ride like hell to get off the mountain.
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    A ton of roadies are ALSO mountain bikers. It is called "being well rounded" as a cyclist in general.

    We are all cyclists. Simple as that.

    Stick together.

    OP, a lot of folks would not self-reflect in an honest way. Good for you for doing so.

    Now go suit up in a spandex outfit and sweep some bike lanes

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    O.P. please tell me...how many negative rep alerts have you gotten after starting this post?

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    Next time, definetly take the kids home, grab the truck, and go save everyone (Joking, You did nothing wrong). Luckily, nobody got hurt. Had somone died then I could understand a guilty conscience, but they didn't and all is good. This thread has given some amusing opinions on spandex, aerodynamics, and mtbr member reputaion.
    If I were riding at elevation in May, I think weather/safety would absolutely be number 1 concern even if that meant bagging a ride because there was weather in the area or wearing a pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryandurepo View Post
    O.P. please tell me...how many negative rep alerts have you gotten after starting this post?
    After reading the first few comments right after I posted, I thought for sure I would have double digit neg reps. However I actually only received 1 neg rep and got 3 or 4 pos reps for admitting I needed to change my attitude.

    I see someone called me out for possibly being a troll, which would make sense to me if this was a road bike web site or forum. I guess they are questioning my intentions when starting this thread which I did myself after reading the first few responses. Then I realized, I basically felt bad for not doing something to help that roadie out and wanted to justify my inaction. Being a mtb website I assumed the responses would be something along the lines of, "yeah serves that skinny tire riding, lycra wearing, road hogging, unprepared roadie right" which might have made me feel better about not helping.

    Since the responses were the exact opposite of what I expected and that I have a great deal of passion for mountain biking and consider other mountain bikers to be somewhat of my peers, I realized that I had the wrong attitude and needed to change it.

    I have to say i have absolutely no desire to road bike for various reasons, but realize that the two types of biking are linked and that many of my friends who mtb and many mountain bikers on this web site also road bike and I should do what I can to help them out when in need.

    As far as why do some mountain bikers like to separate out road from mountain biking and make fun of them; well the best analogy I can give would be like when I was playing rugby in college. We would make fun of lacrosse players for having to wear protective gear and full face masks but weren't allowed to tackle and I know they made fun of us for wearing very short shorts knee high socks and for not being the smartest bunch. However, after our matches on Saturdays, we often found ourselves partying together, making fun of each other and singing songs all in good spirit, because we realized both sports are tough and we ain't that different. Kinda like road and mountain biking.

    As you can see from my signature, I believe mtbing is superior to road biking (JK) and that I like drinking (and quoting movies about the 80's). When I drink, I have fun making fun of others, which I believe is why they call it making fun. As long as it is in good spirit then I think it's all good, so with that said...

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    And what is with the spandex hate anyway? I love spandex. And I am like 90% mountain biker with an occasional foray into road riding.
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    It's called proper tool for proper job. I hate riding in my baggies. They bunch up, they limit my leg movements and get caught up on the seat all the time whenever I stand up for some trail features. But, some people value cool more than comfort, that's ok, but not everyone needs to be cool.
    I wasn't really pointing out the spandex because i have spandex hate, it was more to show that the choice in clothing was not right for negatively changing weather conditions. Personally, I think lycra is awesome. I remember back in the early 90's spandex wearing mountain bikers were quite common. I still think wearing spandex is fine when mtbing, as long as a fanny pack, wrap around oakleys and a helmet with no vizor are worn too like in this radical trek video (I actually had the same exact handle bar extensions as the guy with the fanny pack and i still own my '91 trek 970).

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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Most of the Sierra gets more snow in May than October. This wasn't a freak storm. It's normal.

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    I think you're overthinking this. I mean...take the "roadie" and the "mountinbiker" nouns out of this and just make it "people." We all have more in common than you think.

    As for your "... I believe mtbing is superior to road biking" statement, that's just weird. They are simply two similar but different activities. But the logical progression from that statement is that mountain bikers are superior to road bikers, and I think it may explain the superior and condescending attitude you displayed in your original post. I mean...how far are you gonna carry this? When you ride past a single speeder walking his bike on a long steep climb, is your way of riding superior to his? Is he unprepared and now subject to derision because he didn't bring along some more gears?

    Roadbike, mountainbike, unicycle, runner, hiker, who cares? You see somebody in a jam, you help em out if and when you can.

    I like the way you came around and changed your view after that first post, which is why I positive rep'd you. Now it's time to just let this go.

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    I like the video. Brings me back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion_ View Post
    I think you're overthinking this. I mean...take the "roadie" and the "mountinbiker" nouns out of this and just make it "people." We all have more in common than you think.

    As for your "... I believe mtbing is superior to road biking" statement, that's just weird. They are simply two similar but different activities. But the logical progression from that statement is that mountain bikers are superior to road bikers, and I think it may explain the superior and condescending attitude you displayed in your original post. I mean...how far are you gonna carry this? When you ride past a single speeder walking his bike on a long steep climb, is your way of riding superior to his? Is he unprepared and now subject to derision because he didn't bring along some more gears?

    Roadbike, mountainbike, unicycle, runner, hiker, who cares? You see somebody in a jam, you help em out if and when you can.

    I like the way you came around and changed your view after that first post, which is why I positive rep'd you. Now it's time to just let this go.
    Just trying to have some fun with it. As far as mtb being superior to road, I was making fun of my beliefs. Thought the whole rugby vs lacrosse explanation would have cleared that up, but i didn't include a winking smiley face so I can see how that may be confusing. I will add one.

    However, it's let go.
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    Let it go....let it go....
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    I don't much ride the road anymore as I'm too scared of motorists.

    When I did road ride, I'd nearly always wear a medium sized camelbak. Admittedly, not many other road riders did. In my group at the time, only one other person did.

    I was never a great road rider, but I never had a problem on any ride with a pack on my back...including a century and plenty of 30-60mi rides.

    I suppose most road riders are out to race others or themselves. I can understand not wanting a pack to slow you down any if 'fast' is your primary objective.

    Regardless, I'm fairly certain I'd never give up convenience for an extra few tenths mi average speed though. I like security...

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    I was out for a first time ride up a big mountain pass ride near my home in Utah called the Alpine Loop (very original, I know). We headed up in July while the temps in the valley was mid 90's with clear sun planned for the whole day. Planned to enjoy the cooler mountain temps as we got higher up. I had done lots of riding (mtb and road) for years, but had never done this big loop. It was TOUGH but worth it as I got near the top. Right as we hit the summit though a storm had brewed up on the other side of the mountain and snuck it's way up the canyon on the opposite side of the mountain. We didn't stand a chance. In less than 5 minutes we were slammed by driving rain and hail. We were in nothing but regular kits and were soaked through very quickly. We decided we could either duck into the trees and try to find shelter to pass the storm or bolt down the mountain. Not knowing how long the storm would last, we decided to bolt back down. We were so cold by the bottom our hands could barely squeeze the breaks. Still we were in ok spirits as we just had an easy canyon to ride down and we were home. Then we hit s set of rumble strips and I somehow flatted. We had a spare with us, but it turned out to have a hole in it. Now while we stood there contemplating what to do, the wind and hail started up again. I was shivering pretty hard by now and began to get slurred speech. When right at that minute a guy who had been driving the opposite way pulled around and stooped in front of us. Dude said he was a biker and saw that we could use help. He didn't have a rack on his small car, but we took the bike apart and shoved it in the best we could. I sat in the front seat and he blasted the heater for me. In a few minutes I was feeling better and he dropped me off at my home. Not sure what would have happened if that guy had not stopped when he did.
    I'll be looking to pay it forward when I get the chance. But I did decide that I would always have a weather shell and patch kit when I do long road rides in the mountains.

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    I live in the high mountains also ( Big Bear Lake, Ca), so I know about how the weather can change. It really doesn't matter what your riding when you get caught up in a weird weather pattern, I've been caught out in bad weather on my road bike as well as my mountain bike. In the spring it is wise to watch the weather and dress and prepare appropriately.
    For those who just can't stand road riding or riders, get over it. Most have never made a serious attempt to try it, maybe if they did, they'd get it. I split my time 50/50 between the two, both are awesome and each has its own type of qualities.

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    All this PC crap aside.
    Mountain bikers ime tend to be much better prepared than "roadies".
    I don't care if you are trying to be aero and don't don't think you have the same mechanicals. If you go into the wilderness and this does include mountain passes etc you better be prepared either way for variable weather conditions. If you won't take care of your own safety "STAY AT HOME' and do a spin class.
    Safety and being prepared is you own personal responsibility. Leaving your safety up to passing motorists is a BS way to act.
    Mountain passes don't have freak storms. They have regular alpine weather which could be anything at any time.. I've seen it snow in august for example.
    Flame on I don't care. I live in a mountainous area and and tired of seeing poorly prepared idiots needing rescue AND putting other peoples lives at risk for their bad judgement.

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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Roadies by nature don't believe in safety. Otherwise they wouldn't take their changes on a bike with a styrofoam helmet surrounded by two ton cars piloted by texting drivers.

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    I think the OP gets it now.
    To those who don't like road riding because of safety issues, I do not feel unsafe while out road riding, sure if you get hit, your going to lose, but you can't think about that. Personally, I have 3 friends that got hit by cars riding off road, one of the cars was a police car(Ford Bronco)

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    Well I think the OP has learned from this thread so let's just move on. I started out just mountain biking but as the years progressed I've also taken to the road and to CX racing. I'd stop and help out any roadie or mtb biker having trouble.

    But, if they were on a recumbent or a unicyle I'd keep right on going.... probably give them the finger to. You have to draw the line someplace right?

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    Re: Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

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    Then how about a frame bag?


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    I have recently discovered frame bags. Great solution for carrying some basic supplies like suggested in the thread without much weight or comfort.

    But then again I'm usually the guy with a rack and trunk on a touring bike or similarly over loaded option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBBaron View Post
    I have recently discovered frame bags. Great solution for carrying some basic supplies like suggested in the thread without much weight or comfort.

    But then again I'm usually the guy with a rack and trunk on a touring bike or similarly over loaded option.

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    That's good on you. There are literally hundreds of different types on Amazon, and one can find a bag to fit their frame/spot nicely IMO, from the main triangle to all the little nooks and crannys that can fit something. I really like my bag that mounts in front of the seatpost, just the right size for my basic tools and a tube (like a seat bag, but closer to the frame and not hanging out).

    A common roadie mindset is this I believe:

    "I'll be riding along with a support van or support stops of some kind"

    "I'll be riding in a big roadie group and someone will have a couple basic tools or supplies"

    Not always the case of course, but on any given day there always seem to be a lot more "big" roadie rides than mountain bike rides and the number of riders is usually significantly more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I ride on the road. I would never carry a backpack. Maybe some arm and leg warmers and a jacket if I thought the weather would warrant it.

    Riding a road bike, you don't have the same kinds of mechanicals; you try to be more aerodynamic; and you certainly don't account for improbable freak storms even though you should. So, your packing is mostly surrounding the mindset of not bonking and repairing flats.
    Backpacks can be a pain on road bikes, or one can raise their bar a bit and take the time to fit a pack for cycling. You have to wear them a good bit lower, not all packs are bike friendly, try before you buy...

    I say, however, that a backpack is not required for what they needed. Rain jackets, windbreakers, fleece jackets and warmers us roadies use have been rediculously thin since the 80's. Even back then, there were seatpacks in which you could store all these items, and you don't need a massive cave. These days, almost every seapack expands 30-100%. Between a jersey pocket and decent seatpack, there is no reason one cannot be completely prepared for a 30ºF drop and change to rain or snow, AND have their gels and nanners, AND a pair of slipcovers or something... I used to have a pair of thin water shoes in my seat pack just for breaks. These guys probably have some great notiion that they are rolling 2mph faster without a large seat pack. No matter, they chose to not be prepared, living in an area where they know they shouldn't roll that dice. Hopefully NOT having an easy out means they will be better prepared next time.

    Sorry, can't sympathize with people that think everything is going to work out ok no matter what, so no need to prepare.

    A properly adjusted brake system on a road bike will lose a good bit of grip, but you can still safely brake. Winter was skills training time back when I raced. Snow, slush, didn't matter, although realistically depth of more than two inches became a chore real fast, and being in the off season meant layoff the cardiio. Fun times learning to finesse the brakes and not go beyond the limits.
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    non life threatening situation, your car was full, starbucks 1 mile away?
    you did nothing wrong.

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    No, it's not common for road riders to think that " there is a support van" or " support stops" or that someone else will have what I need. It seems like in this case it was a rider who just got caught out in bad weather. I wonder how many mountain bikers were caught out in the same storm? Living in the mountains, storms sometimes do un expectantly blow in and I have personally been caught out in some both on and off road.
    We really need to cut this " us against them" mentally. If you don't riding the road, don't like wearing Lycra, that's fine, don't do it.
    Years ago, I used to race downhill, XC and road, sometimes some of the very people who I would race dh against would see me on my XC or road bike and would make comments about my "gay" Lycra, then a race would come along and I would kick there arses because I was way fitter and could pedal much of the dh course, basically, moral to the story is, riding road or XC will make any facet of your riding way better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    Riding a road bike while carrying a backpack?

    Talk about not an enjoyable ride at all. Carring pounds of crap on a mountain bike is nothing, carrying anything other than the basic water bottle and tubes/tools in an under saddle pack on a road bike is pretty much miserable.
    Fair enough, just don't complain when you are freezing your ass off on the side of the road.

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    My primary riding is MTB but also have and enjoy a roadie that I've ridden in the Tahoe area. In today's age its really easy to look at a weather app to anticipate what one will encounter. Then, quick changes happen up there all the time. Be ready. Been on rides where the temp will vary by 30 degrees. I've heard that there is no bad weather, just bad choice in gear.

    I have encountered more roadies than MTB riders with no tools or lack of gear. It doesn't take much space to drop a basic mini-tool, spare link and a couple tubes and pump on the bike. I'm not talking about new riders either. Its a different mind set for the skinny tire set. Last dude had tube but no frigging pump.....or CO2. WTF? Helping him out gave me an excuse to take a break on the climb though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    Living in the mountains, storms sometimes do un expectantly blow in and I have personally been caught out in some both on and off road.
    No, they don't. Anyone with enough knowledge and ability to ride a bike can interpret the weather forecast and basic weather products, especially when we are talking about looking at it before you go and not 5 days before.
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    Wrong answer....while you may have an idea of a possible storm coming in...sometimes.
    I'm a fan of following the weather, and not just for my rides.
    Living in the mountains(my house is at 6800'), storms do come up as a surprise sometimes, been caught out in a few over the years, one of such rides happened last September, got caught in a thunderstorm with the heaviest downpour I've ever ridden in and the temperature dropped about 30 degrees, it happened about 15 miles with about 1200' of climbing left to go from my house, I did get a little cold, but the more I rode, the better I felt, it was an awesome ride.
    I cannot speak for the road rider in particular that the OP was talking about, who knows? maybe he was taking a big risk, maybe the OP can pipe in here, since he lives in Tahoe, and he can inform us of the weather forecast that day, but its all behind us now, I sure the guy did learn something about being a little more prepared.

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    Oh, I've been caught in thunderstorms more than a few times, but they were not surprises. In fact, given a warm mountain area in excess of the normal lapse rate and decent humidity, it's likely. I live in Alaska and we have far less weather reporting than the lower 48, yet we can still forecast the weather with enough accuracy so that when you are out there you have a good idea of what to expect. Storms do not "come out of nowhere" these days. Maybe bikepacking without access to the internet you would be subject to a variety of "weather out of nowhere", but in that case one would expect one to be prepared for nearly all types of weather.

    Thunderstorms can form relatively fast, I've watched them many times in AZ, but you'd have a good idea what the weather is doing by watching the clouds and being aware. They wouldn't be "coming out of nowhere".
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    Hey Jayem, can't really speak for Alaska or even Tahoe so much, where I live in Big Bear Lake which is 70miles east and 6500' above LA, we have some of the most unpredictable weather in the world, partially due to having the largest expanse of flat terrain( the Pacific ) and we are surrounded by deserts.
    I have checked the local weather before rides and in a couple of situations, the forecast had a very low possibility of rain and/ or snow, so I would take the chance and not carry extra clothing. Yes, I have been caught out in weather a few times unprepared, but since I started mountain biking in 1982, I never had a life threatening circumstance.
    As far as mountain bikers being more prepared then road riders, I've seen almost as much off road as I have on, but at least on the road, you have more access to help in most cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    Hey Jayem, can't really speak for Alaska or even Tahoe so much, where I live in Big Bear Lake which is 70miles east and 6500' above LA, we have some of the most unpredictable weather in the world, partially due to having the largest expanse of flat terrain( the Pacific ) and we are surrounded by deserts.
    I have checked the local weather before rides and in a couple of situations, the forecast had a very low possibility of rain and/ or snow, so I would take the chance and not carry extra clothing. Yes, I have been caught out in weather a few times unprepared, but since I started mountain biking in 1982, I never had a life threatening circumstance.
    As far as mountain bikers being more prepared then road riders, I've seen almost as much off road as I have on, but at least on the road, you have more access to help in most cases.
    July/Aug/Sept that's monsoon season in SoCal and especially AZ, need to expect T-storms with heavy downpour if there's even a whiff of humidity.

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    Here is great article on this very subject.
    Pinkbike Poll: Are You Prepared, or Are You a Parasite? - Pinkbike

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    The one time I was caught in a dangerous storm I was riding on the East side of an 11,000 foot peak. When I left my home on the west side of the peak the sky's were perfectly clear and plenty warm. No sign of storm on the horizon nor in the forecast. It formed unexpectedly out of nowhere on the west side of the mountain and therefor, we could not see it at all until it came over the summit. It moved so fast that we didn't have more than 5 minutes to react and turn for home. Mountains CAN create weird freaky weather all on their own. Yes, I SHOULD have had some kind of weather gear with me in the mountains. But to say that any intelligent person can always know when a storm is coming is just way too simple of a conclusion. There are weird exceptions to every possible situation.

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    MTBers don't wear spandex 'cause they want to be cool vs roadies don't wear packs 'cause they want to be cool. I wear a pack everywere I ride and wear spandex on the trail. I must look like an idiot.
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    The difference between caught out in a dangerous storm on a mountain bike in a remote area, and being caught out in a dangerous storm on a road bike on a well traveled road close to town seems to have escaped some folks.

    On a road bike...most of the time...help and shelter are not far away, and you won't be hard to locate if you have an emergency.

    On a mountain bike, out in the desert or up in the mountains miles from a roadway...not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion_ View Post
    The difference between caught out in a dangerous storm on a mountain bike in a remote area, and being caught out in a dangerous storm on a road bike on a well traveled road close to town seems to have escaped some folks.

    On a road bike...most of the time...help and shelter are not far away, and you won't be hard to locate if you have an emergency.
    Once again roadies relying on someone else for their safety. Man up lycratards!
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    Dude.

    It's the difference between getting in your car and driving to the next town, and getting into a jeep e and going off road out into the wilderness.

    Do you carry all sorts of survival gear and mechanics tools in your automobile? For those that don't...does that make them tards?

    Very different aspects of a similar sport. Roadies are all about speed. Real speed. Montainbiking requires a different set of skills and the ability to deal with much more difficult conditions and potentially much more difficult situations.

    If you can't understand that...

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    Is the real discussion a question of personal responsibility? It is good to help out a fellow human, but is someone else responsible for the care of those who make bad choices? I have stopped to fix flats for strangers and drove by others based on what I was doing at the moment. I personally evaluate their need versus my "cost" at the time and proceed accordingly. A 1 mile ride in weather is a good life lesson, a 10 mile ride in weather is a danger.

    My OPINION is if you sign up for something you are responsible to see it through and need to prepare for the obstacles. Buyer beware, rider be prepared. This goes for Home loans, student loans, used cars, anything in life. You make the choice and reap the benefits, you are responsible for the downside as well.

    He did not "need" to ride, he "chose" to ride, there is a big difference to me.
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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reelchef67 View Post
    Once again roadies relying on someone else for their safety. Man up lycratards!
    But we get their body parts after they get hosed ... it's a win, win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HBSURFDAD View Post
    Is the real discussion a question of personal responsibility? It is good to help out a fellow human, but is someone else responsible for the care of those who make bad choices? I have stopped to fix flats for strangers and drove by others based on what I was doing at the moment. I personally evaluate their need versus my "cost" at the time and proceed accordingly. A 1 mile ride in weather is a good life lesson, a 10 mile ride in weather is a danger.

    My OPINION is if you sign up for something you are responsible to see it through and need to prepare for the obstacles. Buyer beware, rider be prepared. This goes for Home loans, student loans, used cars, anything in life. You make the choice and reap the benefits, you are responsible for the downside as well.

    He did not "need" to ride, he "chose" to ride, there is a big difference to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HBSURFDAD View Post
    Is the real discussion a question of personal responsibility? It is good to help out a fellow human, but is someone else responsible for the care of those who make bad choices? I have stopped to fix flats for strangers and drove by others based on what I was doing at the moment. I personally evaluate their need versus my "cost" at the time and proceed accordingly. A 1 mile ride in weather is a good life lesson, a 10 mile ride in weather is a danger.

    My OPINION is if you sign up for something you are responsible to see it through and need to prepare for the obstacles. Buyer beware, rider be prepared. This goes for Home loans, student loans, used cars, anything in life. You make the choice and reap the benefits, you are responsible for the downside as well.

    He did not "need" to ride, he "chose" to ride, there is a big difference to me.
    Yes I believe it is the correct question. ( btw I carry tools, and other roadside emergency stuff in my car)
    Its one thing to road riding an urban environment but up the boonies in a mountain pass requires a whole different level preparedness.
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    I used to live in the area in the OP. Although those 'freak storms' happen from time to time (I remember riding my sportbike to work in the sun one morning and back in the snow in the afternoon in april) they don't happen all the time. If you're not from the mountains it's sometimes hard to know that the weather might be a *LOT* different 1500-2k vert higher than the nice and sunny you started in.

    I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal. Guy got caught out, someone almost certainly stopped and helped. Guy will check the weather and maybe bring rain gear and some warmers next time.

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    Interesting thread and in honesty I am not sure on which side I fall.

    I always carry a Camelbak (Blowfish20) pack with me, which contains a small tool kit/multi tools, Co2 tubes, a mini pump, spare tube (even though I run tubeless) a rain coat etc, 2 energy bars etc My friends laugh as it 'weighs a ton' and this why I can't climb as quick as them! (The real reason is the 30 extra pounds I carry around these days from when I was younger!).

    At work we are split into 2 camps, Roadies (3 or 4) and MTB riders (3 or 4). Of the Roadies, only 1 carries a pack with a tool kit, spares, coat etc... the rest run 2 water bottles, and this is it - the reason... Strava. They are obsessed with keeping weight down, retaining their KOMs on the way home etc. It is not unheard of them to leave their gear cached behind a tree or bush before a Strava KOM attempt, only to pick it up on the way back. In honesty, I don't get it.

    Knowing how unprepared some of them are, if I saw a rider that wasn't in danger, I'd be tempted to do the same as the OP if I had no room in the car to give them a lift. After a few miles walking, maybe they think twice next time. (obviously if it was a -20c freak blizzard I'd help).

    Maybe I'm a bad person, but heck it doesn't take a lot to look at the weather forecast before a ride, or carry a Co2 canister, rain coat or pump.
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    I too would not stop to help unless the riders were in danger of injury or death. Sure, if I had room and it was no problem, but with the car already full, nope. The rider must take responsibility and be prepared.

    Also, critiquing a subset of riding culture (roadies) is a valuable thing to do. Each type of cycling has a somewhat different culture and each has faults or quirks that put them in danger. BMX riders, even the pros, tend to not wear helmets. Similarly, roadies tend to be caught without helpful gear. Mountain bikers ride in remote locations where medical evac can be a lengthy process.

    Observing and commenting on these differences isn't being a jerk. Or at least it doesn't have to be expressed in a mean-spirited way.

    I personally like to be prepared and always have more clothing, tools, water and calories than is needed 99% of the time. It's that other 1% of the time that I prepare for. Roadies tend not to do this. But does this make me or other well equipped camelpak wearers superior? In one way, yes. But looking at just that in isolation isn't the right perspective. Mountain bikers ride trails where it might take an hour or more just to haul an injured person back to a dirt road. So who's putting themselves in more danger?

    So that's what I try to tell myself when seeing unprepared cyclists riding on the road. They might get caught without enough clothing and request a ride. Yet someday I might find myself with a broken leg and need evacuation far from a road. Each type of rider weighs the probabilities and might need to rely on the help of others.

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    Interesting because I do road ride, and I've gotten some flack from "roadies" (who in my book are different than someone who just rides on the road, like me) for carrying too much stuff. Like it is a sign of my noob-ness. I don't like wearing a backpack on the road, so I have a rear rack with a small bag on it with extra stuff. Of course, my idea of lunch on a ride is a slice of chicken pot-pie and a banana, not goo out of a packet. I also pack all the water I need for the ride I want to do (which is often the back-back roads), not plan my route around water stops to save the weight of a 2nd water bottle. And if I am going to stop somewhere for lunch in the middle of the rural VA or WV, I do the other patrons (and myself) a favor and bring some thin light pants to cover up my junk. Yes, my Strava times suffer, but whatever.

    I lived in Tahoe for a few years, and abso-freaking-lutely I always had an extra layer even on the road. Don't care what time of year it was. Was not rocking the rear rack (stupid race bike) so wore a backpack if I needed to (to the chagrin of my road-riding companions).

    Now, in defense of those roadies who are gram-obsessed minimalists, part of the reason mountain bikers really need to carry so much extra stuff is that we are often out in the middle of nowhere, miles from the nearest help (such as a road). Road riders (especially in a place like Tahoe) are never that far from help if things get dire. Those folks you passed were inconvenienced, and uncomfortable, but that is about it. If things got really bad (like hypothermia was a risk) they could most likely get someone to help them out. Not so out on the trail.

    Just due to the nature of what mountain bikers do, even with all the stuff we bring along, I am willing to bet that we require more outside help to get us out of bad situations more than the minimalist roadies do.

    BTW, when I say "roadies" I am referring to a particular subculture (a very prevalent one) within the on-road cycling community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    Also, critiquing a subset of riding culture (roadies) is a valuable thing to do. Each type of cycling has a somewhat different culture and each has faults or quirks that put them in danger. BMX riders, even the pros, tend to not wear helmets. Similarly, roadies tend to be caught without helpful gear.

    It's only valuable if it's helpful and wrongly painting an entire group with a broad brush is anything but helpful IMO. My experience has been that most roadies are very well prepared and pay close attention to weather forecasts. I used to go on daily group rides that included 50 or so riders and every person there was always appropriately dressed and carrying spare tubes and pumps.

    I don't carry a lot of gear on road (or mtb) rides but I accept the consequences of my choices. I can, and have waited out a storm under a barn eave or something similar or just toughed it out and busted home. So have most other riders I've known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    It's only valuable if it's helpful and wrongly painting an entire group with a broad brush is anything but helpful IMO. My experience has been that most roadies are very well prepared and pay close attention to weather forecasts. I used to go on daily group rides that included 50 or so riders and every person there was always appropriately dressed and carrying spare tubes and pumps.

    I don't carry a lot of gear on road (or mtb) rides but I accept the consequences of my choices. I can, and have waited out a storm under a barn eave or something similar or just toughed it out and busted home. So have most other riders I've known.
    Certainly everyone is an individual. Yet the different groups do have different cultures and behaviors. It is ok to discuss these differences. Granted, sometimes that can devolve into attacking and defending rather than good natured discussion.

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    roadie on a mountain bike:

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    That's the trailhead for Corral/Sidewinder in south tahoe. That rock is a super easy launchpad, but not if you don't pull up on the bars.

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    Poor roadies… well actually, maybe it serves them right.

    Some roadies really enjoy risk. I recently had one tailgate me down a winding mountain road. I was in my car and I guess, since I was going the speed limit, I was too slow. He was very close and I couldn't safely pull over into the gravel shoulder. If an animal would've ran across the road and I braked suddenly, he'd had been toast. Roid rage is dangerous.

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