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    No good Pearl Izumi = losers

    Well, you know the economy is in the toilet when the customer service arm of a place like Pearl Izumi is willing to add insult to injury… and in a cowardly way as well.

    Short story? Okay.

    I buy a pair of their top 'o the line shorts (Microsensor 3D) back before last season and not 2 months in they come apart at the seam, the chamois starts to come out and they split where the stitches came out. Whoa!

    Here I'm thinking: "$120 for a pair of shorts and they fail like a pair of $20 ones never would?" I'll take them back and see what they can do.

    Did I buy them in Québec? No...I picked them up in Berkeley at REI. So I drop a line to Pearl asking what to do.
    "Take them to any of our retailers." They say. Cool.

    I take them to the Canuck equivalent to REI: MEC.

    They look at them and tell me they’ll “…send them back to their distributor and they will handle it.” Okay.

    Today: I get a package from the distributor! New shorts!

    Yes, a pair of their $60, bottom of the line Attack shorts.

    Pearl Izumi has lost a customer for life… or two... or ten or… well, people who know me know that I ride hard but I don’t abuse my stuff (just my body) and my riding club up here is shocked actually. Seems they’re not to happy with the prices they have to pay and now have one more reason to drop Pearl from their list of clothing options.

    I guess I’ll stick to Fox and Primal… at least their stuff lasts.

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    That really, I mean really, stinks! Have you e-mailed PI and told them that's an unacceptable insult? And I was thinking of trying some PI shorts. I'll stick with my Volers, and you can tell them I said that. Speaking of which, Voler's Team shorts are on sale pretty cheap this month. Dunno what shipping is north of the border, though. It's www.velowear.com if you're interested.

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    Upset

    That suck, I guess you got a lemon? What is the time frame on this issue? Remember there is a person like you behind that company. So next time handle a issue like this in a mature manner and you might get a better result?


    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie America
    Well, you know the economy is in the toilet when the customer service arm of a place like Pearl Izumi is willing to add insult to injury… and in a cowardly way as well.

    Short story? Okay.

    I buy a pair of their top 'o the line shorts (Microsensor 3D) back before last season and not 2 months in they come apart at the seam, the chamois starts to come out and they split where the stitches came out. Whoa!

    Here I'm thinking: "$120 for a pair of shorts and they fail like a pair of $20 ones never would?" I'll take them back and see what they can do.

    Did I buy them in Québec? No...I picked them up in Berkeley at REI. So I drop a line to Pearl asking what to do.
    "Take them to any of our retailers." They say. Cool.

    I take them to the Canuck equivalent to REI: MEC.

    They look at them and tell me they’ll “…send them back to their distributor and they will handle it.” Okay.

    Today: I get a package from the distributor! New shorts!

    Yes, a pair of their $60, bottom of the line Attack shorts.

    Pearl Izumi has lost a customer for life… or two... or ten or… well, people who know me know that I ride hard but I don’t abuse my stuff (just my body) and my riding club up here is shocked actually. Seems they’re not to happy with the prices they have to pay and now have one more reason to drop Pearl from their list of clothing options.

    I guess I’ll stick to Fox and Primal… at least their stuff lasts.

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    So I guess...

    ...I missed the part where I handled this in an immature way?

    I asked Pearl first, they sent me to MEC, who sent my shorts (with Pearl's e-mail) to the Canadian distributor who didn't send me a letter... didn't call me (they had both my phone number and my e-mail). They did send me a pair of shorts that are not replacements... but shorts that are half the value (and I do know what manufaturing environments are like, especially textiles and it costs Pearl about $20 to make the shorts they sell for $120).

    So from my point of view, I was the one treated poorly and now I'm trying to help my friends here aviod the same issues I went through.

    Nes pas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie America
    ...I missed the part where I handled this in an immature way?

    I asked Pearl first, they sent me to MEC, who sent my shorts (with Pearl's e-mail) to the Canadian distributor who didn't send me a letter... didn't call me (they had both my phone number and my e-mail). They did send me a pair of shorts that are not replacements... but shorts that are half the value (and I do know what manufaturing environments are like, especially textiles and it costs Pearl about $20 to make the shorts they sell for $120).

    So from my point of view, I was the one treated poorly and now I'm trying to help my friends here aviod the same issues I went through.

    Nes pas?
    Looks to me like you handled it the right way. Too bad the end result was poor.
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    Unless I missed something, did you contact the MEC or the distributer to insure it was not a mix up? If you did, OK, but don't slander a company if you aren't sure it was not just some mistake somewhere along the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawhoo
    Unless I missed something, did you contact the MEC or the distributer to insure it was not a mix up? If you did, OK, but don't slander a company if you aren't sure it was not just some mistake somewhere along the line.
    Good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawhoo
    Unless I missed something, did you contact the MEC or the distributer to insure it was not a mix up? If you did, OK, but don't slander a company if you aren't sure it was not just some mistake somewhere along the line.
    Really. Just call them up and tell them they sent you the wrong shorts. They'll probably replace them and let you keep the cheap ones too - just tell them you wore them.

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    Attack shorts

    Btw, the so-called "bottom of the line" Attack shorts aren't bad at all. Actually, they're my favorite pair of shorts -- been treating my ass great for last three years.

    If Pearl Izumi truely refuses to give you a replacement pair of $120 short, then at least you'll have something that lasts longer than 2 months.

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    From the sound of it, it looks like you couldn't go through REI, but they would have just swapped them out on the spot.

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    My thoughts, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by lawhoo
    Unless I missed something, did you contact the MEC or the distributer to insure it was not a mix up? If you did, OK, but don't slander a company if you aren't sure it was not just some mistake somewhere along the line.
    Grow up. And put on some damn pants, wouldja?

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Tom)
    Really. Just call them up and tell them they sent you the wrong shorts. They'll probably replace them and let you keep the cheap ones too - just tell them you wore them.

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    I'd give PI a call and be reasonable, factual, and nice. There were people between you and them and I'd bet that there was not one guy at the distributor who took the old pair out of the box and put a new cheaper pair in. Sure there was a screw up but do you really think they'd just stiff you out of $60 MSRP of merchandise? Be nice and they should take care of you. If the person who answers the phone doesn't handle it then get their manager.

    You could end up one pair of shorts in the bonus and happy OR a cheaper pair and $60 in the hole plus upset every time you see someone wearing PI on the trail.
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    And Of Course...

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie America
    ...I missed the part where I handled this in an immature way?

    I asked Pearl first, they sent me to MEC, who sent my shorts (with Pearl's e-mail) to the Canadian distributor who didn't send me a letter... didn't call me (they had both my phone number and my e-mail). They did send me a pair of shorts that are not replacements... but shorts that are half the value (and I do know what manufaturing environments are like, especially textiles and it costs Pearl about $20 to make the shorts they sell for $120).

    So from my point of view, I was the one treated poorly and now I'm trying to help my friends here aviod the same issues I went through.

    Nes pas?
    You called them for clarification and to ensure that someone didn't put your shorts in the box right next to yours by mistake before you posted on every MB you could, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie America
    ...I missed the part where I handled this in an immature way?
    Yes, you did.

    That part is posting this to an internet message board before fully investigating all possible remedies with Pearl Izumi.

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    Story not finished

    Charlie,

    It sounds like your story is not finished. Have you called Pearl Izumi and told them that your Micro's were replaced with Attacks? And what you can do about it?
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    My experience....

    I have been using Microsensors with the blue chamois for awhile and never had a problem. I bought 3 more for the World solo Championships last year, these had the yellow chamois. I wore a hole in all 3 during that race. My bike is the same, my seat is the same, my position is the same, so why?

    I sent them back to where I bought them, but so far no answer.

    Still riding Microsensors, but the blue ones from a couple years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie America
    I guess I’ll stick to Fox and Primal… at least their stuff lasts.
    I'm still using PI shorts I bought 12 years ago, and they look like new. Well, except for the pair I used as crash protection. They still look like new except for the hole.
    Likewise a jacket from PI that's about the same age, that I just replaced the zipper in. Guess what - it looks brand new!
    SOrry you received the Attacks, but I have a feeling you'll end up with the $60 shorts and the $120 ones once you talk to PI.
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    Talk about a Nasty Job.....

    That has got to be one of the worst jobs though - Being the dude that receives peoples used shorts that have flaws.

    did you wash the shorts before you sent them back? Perhaps it was a disgruntled employee that did not appreciate sweaty shorts!

    Seriously though, sounds like you dealt with it fine. I would stil do a follow up call, and if they do remedy the problem come back here, and post a full report on the situation.

    If they tell you to go to h@ll then come back here and we can flame em!

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    take it from a customer relations rep...

    ......not that we need to tell you! But being humble, factual and calm goes a LONG way! Don't get all hot and bothered until it's your tenth call and you still haven't gotten results- then, we'd understand totally.

    Sure, rude people get results, but they also end up getting stuck on hold a little longer And they only get results if they've got their ducks in a row, not simply due to their squeaky-wheel mentality.

    Sounds like you have a good case, they should do right by you based on the facts.

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    Like some others have stated, I don't think this story is finished.

    Seems like you gave up way too early. Sure you called PI, had MEC send it back for you and then received what you and I both believe was not of equal value. But, here is where you and I differ. You post on an internet forum how pissed you are with this company for the crappy product and customer service they provide. I would've simply called PI and told them of what I believe is an error on their part. I'm sure they would have owned up to it and get you the correct replacement shorts ASAP. Heck, maybe they would've told you to keep the other shorts for your troubles.

    Now if after 10 calls and no results, and only after that, I would then complain and whine here. And only on one forum, not 2 or 3 on the same website. I had a problem with some items my wife had ordered from Pottery Barn. We ordered a set of monogrammed napkins and a monogrammed table runner for a friend's wedding gift. When it arrived, the stitching for the monogram had gatherd some of the material on some of the napkins. I called to let them know of the problem and they said to keep the ones I have and they would send replacements. The replacements they sent weren't monogrammed so I had to call back. Keep those too they said and they would send the napkins again. Although it took a few trys to get the right product, I'm happy with the results and will continue to deal with PB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie America
    They look at them and tell me they’ll “…send them back to their distributor and they will handle it.” Okay.

    Today: I get a package from the distributor! New shorts!

    Yes, a pair of their $60, bottom of the line Attack shorts
    Wow - sounds like something went wrong somewhere. First, since all PI stuff in Canada is handled thru a distributor, warranty must go thru the distributor as well. Since you bought the shorts there, REI could have handled the warranty, too, if you'd have sent it to them. When you called PI USA, did you mention that you bought them in the US?

    Regardless, sounds like it was a simple mistake. PI has a lifetime warranty for things like seams and general workmanship - anything that's not wear related. If you've worn or washed the Attacks, you're out of luck. Otherwise, start with MEC. If they've kept good enough records, they'll know you brought in Microsensors. They should be able to swap you out. If they truly did get the Attacks from the distributor, have MEC make it right with the distributor (something they should have done in the first place).

    Please post back the results of your efforts. I think we're all curious to see what the final outcome will be. If you're still out a pair of Microsensors in the end, call PI USA. I'm sure they'd be interested to hear how their Canadian distributor is handling warranties.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by george_da_trog
    From the sound of it, it looks like you couldn't go through REI, but they would have just swapped them out on the spot.

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    Good job! Update

    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr
    Please post back the results of your efforts. I think we're all curious to see what the final outcome will be.
    Was just browsing Road forum, and it appears that this whole thing was just a mix up. So my fellow PI fans -- they still do care about us =)

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    Charlie America posts a thread "Pearl Izumi = losers" before getting to the bottom of his issue, which sounds like an honest mistake on the part of Pearl's distributer. if i was in the bike industry, i'd go out of my way to NOT do business with this guy...
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    And, to make matters worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    Charlie America posts a thread "Pearl Izumi = losers" before getting to the bottom of his issue, which sounds like an honest mistake on the part of Pearl's distributer. if i was in the bike industry, i'd go out of my way to NOT do business with this guy...
    He posted about it in three or four forums (no, I don't stutter).

    He's made a response that I saw on the road bike forum, but no attempt in here to reply to anyone.

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    No good Charlie America = Loser!

    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte
    He posted about it in three or four forums (no, I don't stutter).

    He's made a response that I saw on the road bike forum, but no attempt in here to reply to anyone.

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    He needs a post that says something like
    "Pearl Izumi = OK after all "
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    Next time...

    Idea: next time buy them from a shop that will hand you new shorts and go beat the tar out of Pearl until they get it fixed. That's my best tip. I know you may not have such a shop nearby but thats the "best case" scenerio for you.

    I full on eat some products (i.e. disposabal Northwave SHoes) to make my customer not suffer the lameness of a company/product.

    But the more complex truth? Pearl made me eat to much crow on that policy and thus myself and most other bike shops, dropped them, thus their huge resurgence into mailorder, big box stores and direct sales. They truly do suck in dealer / customer support. Too bad, since they used to be the best.

    Right nowe I think the best thing I've seen is Sugoi orGarneau in Lycra and Nema in Baggies; Nema will fully back their product and allow me to do the same.

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    Uhhh, why on earth would you buy 120 dollar shorts for MOUNTAIN BIKING????? They are going to get muddy, and torn, and go through rivers and land on rocks...I just hope it wasnt 120 dollars for lycra.

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    The same guy who...

    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtfulPirate
    Uhhh, why on earth would you buy 120 dollar shorts for MOUNTAIN BIKING????? They are going to get muddy, and torn, and go through rivers and land on rocks...I just hope it wasnt 120 dollars for lycra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtfulPirate
    Uhhh, why on earth would you buy 120 dollar shorts for MOUNTAIN BIKING????? They are going to get muddy, and torn, and go through rivers and land on rocks...I just hope it wasnt 120 dollars for lycra.
    Why in the world would anyone spend $2000 on a bike, it's only going to get muddy, and go through rivers and land on rocks.

    Now I haven't spent $120 on shorts, but I've seen some $200 bibs I would really like to have and if I could afford it, they'd be mine. More comfort = more ride time=more fun.

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    I dont know, I just couldnt merit spending that much on shorts. I would prefer to buy more affordable shorts I guess. Maybe Im just not enough of a fashion whore.

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    Check out Charlie's profile (click on his name at the start of this thread) for a nice shot of him in his PI shorts. Anyone that PO'd should get another picture of themselves wearing other clothes
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    Awwww, Jeezus.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedRocker
    Check out Charlie's profile (click on his name at the start of this thread) for a nice shot of him in his PI shorts. Anyone that PO'd should get another picture of themselves wearing other clothes
    Ya had to point that out? I went and looked, only to find His Manliness glowering into the camera.

    Sheesh. Thanks. At least the 'ignore' feature was below the pic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus75
    That suck, I guess you got a lemon? What is the time frame on this issue? Remember there is a person like you behind that company. So next time handle a issue like this in a mature manner and you might get a better result?

    How is expecting to get what you paid for immature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pblogic
    How is expecting to get what you paid for immature?
    I'll admit several years ago I may have blown up like Chuck there (probably not publicly though), but I know better now that I would have at least called back the people that sent the shorts to ask what happened.

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    Dude, chill, they're shorts, not a 2k frame. PI is capable of making mistakes just like everyone else. I think going to the retailer and getting turned away set you off a bit too much. Talk to PI directly, see what's up, I'm dead positive they'll hook you up and make things right. No need to whine on the internet until you talk to PI about the situation.

    And for all you naysayers... Those $120 shorts are worth $120 and the attacks are pretty good too.

    Pearl makes good stuff, they have a GREAT warranty and they're good ppl.

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    I don't buy Peal Izumi products. I haven't for many years. It's over priced crap that is poorly constructed. You're obviously bummed at the quality of their shorts - don't patronize the company any more. I don't understand why they're still in business.

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    Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Over the Edge
    Right nowe I think the best thing I've seen is Sugoi orGarneau in Lycra and Nema in Baggies; Nema will fully back their product and allow me to do the same.
    Thanks for the tip!

    Since Sugoi & Garneau are Canadian, they are easy to get up here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Care to elaborate?
    Sure...I had a pair of PI gloves for which I paid $30 - stitching failed after two rides. This was at a time when gloves were 10-15, I figured the extra money meant extra quality/comfort. I was given another pair of PI gloves as a gift - stitching failed after 5 rides. I had a PI jersey - fell apart after one wash, and yes I followed the instructions. This was mid 90's. Maybe they have improved their quality, but I'm not going to chance it.

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    Thanks for the 10 year old information.

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    Upset castelli

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitchenware
    Thanks for the 10 year old information.
    And thanks for your very constructive post, kitchentool. I've got a 10 year old bike that still takes 3 foot drops, what's your point?
    I've looked at the PI crap in the stores recently, and the stitching sure as hell hasn't improved. If you want to pay twice what you should for a sub par product, be my guest. I guess that explains why the company is still in business! LOL It's your money, do with it whatever you want.

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    Up to date report...

    I forgot about this thread untill I started recieving reply e-mails. Pearl Izumi did warranty the 3 shorts, what more could you ask for?
    Carter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boognish
    what's your point?
    My point is... 10 year old info is just that, 10 years old. And look, I didn't have to resort to name calling to make it.

    I've worn a lot of shorts, currently own several different brands of shorts and PI rules them all. I even cut out the inners of several of my shorts (fox, nema) to run Microsensor. I have two PI jackets that are great, but I can't comment on shirts as I don't own any. Also, out of all the cycling socks I've ever bought, PI lasts the longest. These are MY experiences and they are recent, as in WITHIN this decade.

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    PI ss jerseys here in SLO town going for 20$, might be an overproduction run from china or something? Might have to pick a few just for the frabric, ride on!

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    PI stuff is for stupid yuppies

    the smart cyclists who have a clue buy Bellwether.
    Anybody who pays $120 for a pair of lycra shorts should be slappedl

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    Hope Allow me to close out this thread

    First, the results of the tale of the PI shorts:

    The distributor for PI here in Canuckland lied to me on the phone.. not once but several times in the same conversation:
    First, she tells me that she sent me replacements that are exactly the same. When i call her on it, she claims she can't get to the "American web site" to verify what I' msaying.
    She then claims because I sent her shorts where the number has changed (they were 110 when I sent them, they changed the number to 120 this year) that she couldn't replace them.
    She claims that F3 Distributers doesnt' carry that model, later she claims there is nothing she can do, but later still tells me to send he my reciept and she'll get me a relacement.
    I send her the reciept and she tells me that it's been too long since I bought them. I explain that I have a letter from PI showing that I talked to them about the shorts before the warrenty expired but she then claims... that these "probably arent' the same shorts."
    She doesn't come out and claim I'm a liar trying to pull a fast one, but she sure does hint at it real hard.
    So, where does it stand today? I sent a letter to PI in Colorado and asked them to do something. Will it happen? I dont; know but honestly it doesn't matter anymore because I'm done with PI.

    As for all of you that fell the need to call me names becaues I have the nerve to complain when something like this happens, go **** yourselves.
    You don't know me and have no right to judge me about a damn thing.
    I explained to everyone that I was beign jerked around and I have been. Each and every one of you would be pissed, but being the sheeple that most of you are, you'd ***** to some friends or just stew in it and never let your peers know that a company has done something like this to you.

    Take it for what it is: I let people know when things are good and when things are bad.

    Oh, and those shorts I'm wearing in the picture are the very shorts I am speaking about in this post. I got them becaue they are more comfortable when I ride 100 or so miles of trails in a day or 200+ on the road. It's just a shame they can't stand up to the use.

    BTW: For those of you that think I'm blowing smoke up your ass about the mileage, I invite you up to my neck of the woods anytime.... of you can just leaf through the archives here for the last 8 years and read about my rides and trips.

    CA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie America
    You don't know me and have no right to judge me about a damn thing.
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    being the sheeple that most of you are...
    Ironic... or is it hypocritic?

    Anywho, people jumped all over you not because you told the story, but because you may have jumped the gun. At the point you went off on PI it could have been a simple mistake by some $6 an hour shipping guy. Some more digging should have probably been done to find out for sure before you posted on every cycling forum in your bookmarks.

    In the end it does look like PI dropped the ball...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug
    Ironic... or is it hypocritic?

    Anywho, people jumped all over you not because you told the story, but because you may have jumped the gun. At the point you went off on PI it could have been a simple mistake by some $6 an hour shipping guy. Some more digging should have probably been done to find out for sure before you posted on every cycling forum in your bookmarks.
    Exactly. That's way more negativity than they deserved and it can't be taken back now.

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