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    The Passion forum is dying.......there is no doubt.

    Not saying anything is wrong with that; don't get me wrong. At quick glance, it would just seem to be the case.

    The Passion forum was once the place where great adventures, epic races, catastrophic events etc. were documented and shared with the masses. It was easy.

    Even I used to pretty well strictly post here within this form but even I have moved on: to mainly lurk elsewhere as of late.

    It's kind of sad but.........it is what it is.

    I believe the current "hotspots" are the 29er and Fat Bike forums. I wonder what will happen next?

    The site, along with its people, change. It's good. I hope folks continue to share their rides though. Passion for the sport is alive and well, just broken down into more and more distinct niches.

    Just an observation.
    Nothing more.

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    This thread needs pics.

    Re-post from "Dogs with Passion".
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    It's possibly due to the fact mtbr has 200 sub forums now. I'm sure mtbr still contains plenty of passion!

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    A large percentage of threads posted in Passion belong in other sub forums.

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    Could it be that a vast many people on this forum live in climates which are seeing winter right now? Personally, the closest thing to bike passion I have right now is seeing my bike in the garage on the work stand knowing I have to pick about 50 goat heads out of the tires from the last ride before I can even think about trying a snow ride. Also, it's snow sliding weather.
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    Chillax (if you aren't already freezing). It is DECEMBER, much of North America is a de facto deep freeze and everybody is struggling through the snow & ice to do Christmas shopping, so naturally there are fewer people posting about epic adventures. Summer postings kept me entertained. Fat bike snow adventures are being posted here and there.

    Those in the southern hemisphere can step up to the plate (an American baseball idiom) by posting your summer down there* adventures to keep the Yanks entertained.

    *Down there is a euphemism for various things; no details at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
    A large percentage of threads posted in Passion belong in other sub forums.
    But if you add the word "passion" to whatever you post shouldn't that cover your posting in the passion thread? LOL.
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    One thing that hasn't changed is how people misread stuff (or how difficult it is to feel the mood of a statement). haha

    I wasn't saying anything negative and wasn't complaining. I wasn't even implying that quality posts weren't being written. I believe xl_cheese and myself are on the same page but he may have missed it. To quote myself from earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ska View Post
    ......Passion for the sport is alive and well, just broken down into more and more distinct niches.......
    ie. specific forums

    I've been on this site long enough to know that there is ALWAYS a lull in the winter months. I understand it. To some it's not as enjoyable as warm weather riding but it is fun in an entirely different way. Believe me.

    The "frozen and locked in" excuse doesn't have to be but for many it is. That's totally cool. I get that.

    Personally I'm in the frozen north as well but getting out as often as I can. Pic from the other day.
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    All I'm saying is that it seems this particular forum is dying. It's sad because I've been posting in it since the late 90's. It's just a feeling I get: just an observation.
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    The Passion forum is dying.......there is no doubt.-first_snow_004.jpg
    Quote Originally Posted by Ska View Post

    All I'm saying is that it seems this particular forum is dying. Just an observation.



    Does not have to be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
    A large percentage of threads posted in Passion belong in other sub forums.
    Like "Dogs with passion".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ska View Post
    Like "Dogs with passion".


    I'd bet you're a killjoy at parties too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
    I'd bet you're a killjoy at parties too.
    LOL

    Come oooooooonnn. Don't judge me based on some post; especially not that one. Haha

    It's all good, man.

    Sadly my dogs have passed but once the kids are a bit older and can help out a bit, we'll be getting another.

    In saying that I won't post in the Dogs with passion thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ska View Post
    Sadly my dogs have passed but once the kids are a bit older and can help out a bit, we'll be getting another.

    In saying that I won't post in the Dogs with passion thread.



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    Sorry to hear about the dogs but you gotta post the new ones, what trail dog did you ever see that didn't truly have the passion?

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    Nah, I think it's just diluted with content that could go other places. Or deluded. Whatever.

    Plus less overall riding content since a large user base that otherwise might be posting stoke is winterized at the moment.

    Maybe a bit to do with more people hanging out on various other spots - my local Facepage riding group (there are several groups) pages are all pretty active.

    We have a good bit of snow around me ATM, and it's all going to melt and make things a sloppy mess in the next few days, before it freezes/snows again - it's couch sitting and book reading time with the dog season.
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    I am a pretty big fan of MTBR but I think there are many factors that are making people not want to come back.

    First the obvious ones are probably changes of passions. A lot of people get into cycling but get out of is as fast as they get in(Not all but some). Some people do have the passion but just don't have the time to ride anymore and feel less a part of the community, but they however may still troll. Families happen, people move and don't have places to ride. Things in general just change.

    I took a long hiatus from coming back to MTBR due to experiences in the past under a different user name. My experiences weren't necessarily bad but I found that a lot of the users go over board with the sarcasm, really alienating some old and new users. I mean I get a lot of people decide they can be witty, but I don't think they realize that it makes people not want to come back. So only die hard users and a handful of those people who like to flex their brains(and make other user experiences not so pleasant) tend to be the regular users. Again, nothing wrong with witty remarks but sometimes there's a time and place for them. Often times I wonder, did that person really have to go that far and say that? I mean what was the point? Most of the time there is no point, just a sense of entitlement of freedom of speech. Again which is fine, but it does more damage than good. I think I'm probably going to get a bunch of messages that say "man the phuk up" or "sack up" which is fine, my skin has thickened but that kind of behavior just ruins it for a lot of newbs to the site. That's just my .02 cents.

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    I agree with ska. The Passion forum is definitely not the lively place it used to be but like others have said that is (partially) attributable to:

    1) The season. Seems like there's always a post or two about this time of year about how things have died down. Duh.
    2) Sub forums taking alot of the stuff that used to get posted here in passion. For instance we used have huge threads about mtbr gatherings like AZ Spring Fling and RMH and May by the Bay that now get posted in the AZ, CO Front Range, and Norcal forums respectively. We just completed a really cool Knolly gathering with 20 or so mtbr/knolly faithful in Phoenix that was tons of fun but the only posting about it are in the Knolly Forum.

    Not bad, just an observation. Although I do miss the old Passion days when it was the main place to hang out. I like the sub-forums too. Things change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    ......Not bad, just an observation. Although I do miss the old Passion days when it was the main place to hang out. I like the sub-forums too. Things change.
    Exactly.

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    12 hour work days and less than 10 hours of sunlight are killing my passion. Instead of riding outside on a beautiful 60 degree, I spent an evening spinning in front of the tube. Better than nothing.

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    I have a theory that forums in general are are becoming less active due to Facebook. Its easier for people to post up on FB groups since they are already there.

    I don't like to see that trend because good information gets lost. It's not searchable. Forums like mtbr are a gold mine of information and data and can be searched for years to come.
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    Digital photography killed passion

    This isn't the first time I've said it but people are often blind to the truth. Before we were buried under digital pictures people actually had to use their brain to write a lucid description of a ride. Now they post a picture that looks like a thousand other pictures and think they have passion. Bullsh!t I say to all of you who have forgotten how to use the written word.

    One picture can kill a thousand words.

    I'm going back to reading War and Peace which has no pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    This isn't the first time I've said it but people are often blind to the truth. Before we were buried under digital pictures people actually had to use their brain to write a lucid description of a ride. Now they post a picture that looks like a thousand other pictures and think they have passion. Bullsh!t I say to all of you who have forgotten how to use the written word.

    One picture can kill a thousand words.

    I'm going back to reading War and Peace which has no pictures.
    haha

    I kinda dig that, Rev. Never really thought of it that way. That might be part of it too! I used to write some long-a$$ posts (I know you used to read on occasion) but, for the most part, gave them up because relatively few would take the time to look at it. It's easier to click and look at pics I suppose.

    I still occasionally key stuff up, it's just really rare nowadays.

    Hm.......never thought of that.
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    I looked forward to reading stuff and used to print out the longer posts to read on the train. Print out a picture of a bike or, God forbid, someone's dog? That isn't passion, it's narcissism. "Oh please, please, look at me!"

    I loved reading your stuff. There were so many talented people posting a few short years ago but I suppose you are correct, people got too lazy to actually read something more than a few sentences in length.

    Bye, I really am reading War and Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    structure is ignored or just plain weird. This used to be the place for pic heavy threads. Then they moved the Wildlife, Mushrooms and Graffiti threads to Off camber yet the All About Bikes thread is on topic in the off topic forum. The Abandoned Vehicle thread gets bumped every now and then in the general discussion forum but seems out of place there

    Even before all that, threads in here by the greats like tscheezy got lost down the page by topics that didn't fit and weren't moved

    for starters, maybe they could collect and move some threads back here
    Man..........some heavy hitting threads you listed there. Forgot about the abandoned vehicle one.
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    I think I'll go with the winter time blues and maybe a little tip of the hat to facebook. There's a lot more info to be gained on a message board as apposed to other social media.

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    In general people on this site are more into microparsing tech nerd stuff or gear. I've posted the odd trip report but its pretty obvious that people don't read them. It's just as easy to move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PdlPwr View Post
    I think I'll go with the winter time blues and maybe a little tip of the hat to facebook. There's a lot more info to be gained on a message board as apposed to other social media.
    I don't know. Part of it is obviously the winter thing but I still think it's mainly a shift. Besides, now more than ever, many of us are still riding in winter.

    If you look at the 29er forum and drop to the bottom of the first page, the oldest post is a week old. In the Fat Bike forum it is only 3 days old - clearly there is a HEAP of activity there. Passion host threads from Nov 4th on its front page. To me, it's just a sign of change: a shift.

    It's interesting to see the site's evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    In general people on this site are more into microparsing tech nerd stuff or gear. I've posted the odd trip report but its pretty obvious that people don't read them. It's just as easy to move on.
    No doubt LeeL..............I too have nerded out COUNTLESS times here

    I still always love(d) good ride/trip recaps as well.

    Never enough of that.
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    Passion is still alive and well in SoCal, even though Fish & Game are closing
    a lot of trails for a bunch of BS reasons in the San Diego area.

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    Pete got banned, hasn't been the same since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    This isn't the first time I've said it but people are often blind to the truth. Before we were buried under digital pictures people actually had to use their brain to write a lucid description of a ride. Now they post a picture that looks like a thousand other pictures and think they have passion. Bullsh!t I say to all of you who have forgotten how to use the written word.
    I miss the long, typed/written posts of the "old passion" days. Pictures are nice I suppose, but I miss using my imagination to create the visual details… Especially now that migraine issues have nearly killed my 'passion' for riding. Rides are short and pretty dang slow, definitely not on a hot day, if I don't want a pounding head (I've been to a lot of Drs and they all just want to hand me a new pill. *sigh*). I miss long rides. I miss reading about other's rides and living (a bit) through those posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    In general people on this site are more into microparsing tech nerd stuff or gear. I've posted the odd trip report but its pretty obvious that people don't read them. It's just as easy to move on.
    This is it in a nutshell. Look at the 29er, general, 27.5 (or whatever its called) forums. It's all techno mumble jumble: Which fork?, Which rims?, who cares? Lots of folks apparently....

    Leel, Mikesee, TScheezy, Zinger UK, Fagerlin (back in the day), and many, many others have posted incredible adventures, pictures, video, thoughts, and humor over the years. This continues to this day. Maybe it's growing pains (for the site): too many subforums, too much "that doesn't belong in this forum," too much micro-regionalism, and too much 29 v. 26 v. 27.5 (who's wheels are better?, who's are faster?, again... who cares?) There's a time and a place for endless micro tech discussions, but the focus on it seems to come at the loss of the big picture: the adventure, the pain, the joy, and both the beauty and sadness of life viewed from two wheels. Others' adventures give me inspiration to continue mine (aging body, be damned!) and feel a little bit of the fire of my passion for mountain biking and the outdoors reflected back from people across the globe.

    Maybe that's what this community is at it's best: a digital campfire. We may be basking in the wan light of LCD or smartphone screens rather than the smoke, hiss, and heat of burning timbers, but we're still here, spinning our fish tales of feats on two wheels, catastrophe averted, and obstacles cleared.

    Cheers.

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    +1 this room has changed and it is a different form of passion I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    Those in the southern hemisphere can step up to the plate ... an American baseball idiom by posting your summer down there* adventures to keep the Yanks entertained.
    Step up to the plate, is all too easy and is a universally understood term nowadays.

    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    *Down there is a euphemism for various things; no details at this time.

    Spending time down there is one of my favourite passions ... and being Down Under is an enjoyable other place.

    Summer Down Under, in my neck of the bush can be sweltering and somewhat smokey. It isn't wise being deep in the bush during the height of the fire season. Also the creeks here tend to be dry and the temps are reaching 40°C+ and above.

    I live in the NW of the Australian Capital Territory. Last month a new 140+ kilometre multi-use trail was opened that encircles the Nation's Capital, for cyclists and walkers. It has some good views of the city and surrounding hills with excellent sections of single track. Its linked by fire trails in the nature reserves and across farmlands, there is a section along a river and lake. The trail uses some cycle paths in the city and a couple of short tarmac roads sections go past museums, monuments, art galleries and beside and through botanic gardens and arboretum. The trail caters for all interests. I've had three rides on sections of the trail, since it opened in late November. I prefer the bush and farmland sections, to those that cut through the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Wassa View Post


    Have a good Christmas ... or as some say, Happy Holidays.

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    Ive been following passion, mostly in lurk mode, over the years. I'd agree that although it ebbs and flows somewhat, it has been steadily on the decline. Someone mentioned digital photography is to blame, but I think its more than that. Smartphones and social media in particular. Many great forums have felt the effect. Our clubs once active mountain bike forum has all but died from facebook. In this digital, always on, age of instant gratification, not many people take the time to create a story enhanced with photographs that were once the passion of old. I still check in on this forum every time I visit...and every now and then I come across a gem that keeps me yearning for more.
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    Instant gratification?

    You hit it when you mentioned the various media giving "instant gratification." I'm not prepare to say it is good or bad. It just is.

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    With some of us missing the old-school way, maybe we need a written word forum then? HAHAHA

    I kid.
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    Nice post Wild Wassa.

    That's the stuff I always love to see.

    Cheers for that.
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    Plenty of spam passion ever so often though. Something like 20 or so "escort" posts appeared over night..
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    Merry Christmas to you too

    A Happy New Year too. Alas, I may die of old age or my own stupidity before I ever get to Oz....

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    See? passion = escort spam. Clearly this sub forum is not dead.

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    Lovely Passion Pics Wassa! Nice to see some beautiful Aussie countryside!

    I would say that judging by the number of views on the Escort Services posts, the Passion forum is FAR from dead! People are too busy bumpin' uglies with those call girls to post...
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    Passion used to be a pretty lively hangout that had nothing to do with "passion" like is represented in here now a days. People gradually moved off and hang out in the regional forums. Now, aside from some good ride reports it's mostly generalized post's like "Dogs with Passion" , "post your hardtail" , "baggies or spandex"
    etc. Almost like Bicycling Magazine threw up all over the board.

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    Blame the moderators

    "Passion: Share riding experiences." Blame the moderators. There is so much crap posted here that it drowns out the purpose of the forum. If the moderators moved/removed them people would eventually get the message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf View Post
    "Passion: Share riding experiences." Blame the moderators. There is so much crap posted here that it drowns out the purpose of the forum. If the moderators moved/removed them people would eventually get the message.
    It's almost like it's been sold off to a marketing research company with all the "poll" type questions.

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    Wassamatta with Dogs with Passion?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Wassamatta with Dogs with Passion?
    Right now there are over 17,000 online on MTBeeR. 109 of them are on Passion. Nothing wrong with dogs but it's just not something that draws the masses when the masses are here because of Mountainbiking.

    Other posts -(just on the first half of the first page.)

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    What a bunch of drivel that sounds more like a marketing survey. Yes the passion forum is dead.

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