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    OT - Paris-Roubaix @ Mr. Hincapie

    what happens when you mix a carbon sterrer tube, lots of cobblestones, and a not so light rider?

    I'd hate to have to know what it feels like to suddenly find that your bars no longer are "there" for you.........

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    He did good to not take a core sample of his face when that broke!
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    According to the prerace cyclingnews article the steerer wasn't carbon...
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    cobble stone?

    Is that a third world sidewalk the bike is lying on?

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    I wonder if his first crash had anything to do with that failure. I felt pretty bad for him, it is hard to watch a grown man cry like that.

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    I hated to see him go down like that. This is from cycling news....

    George Hincapie's Roubaix ended in disaster with 45 km to go when his aluminium steerer tube broke on the Mons-en-Pevele sector of cobbles. Hincapie had been riding well up until that point, but he couldn't avoid crashing. He fell heavily on his right shoulder and will likely require an operation, according to VRT.

    I'm assuming since he needs an operation that he broke his collar bone...hopefully he has a speedy recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noslogan
    Is that a third world sidewalk the bike is lying on?

    Tell me you're joking and in fact do know about the "Hell of the North".







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    I still can't believe it...

    Even with an alu steerer, it boggles the mind to see it snap like that. After all, these aren't wal-mart bikes we're talking about. And Hincapie ain't exactly a clyde...

    btw, I'm now convinced the Paris-Roubaix is the single most impressive bicycle race in the world.

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    I watched that happen on TV today. You can see George sit up all of a sudden-no handed and then veer off to the side and crash. It looked like a really hard crash too. I feel for the guy-I really wanted him to win.

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    If George rode Mtb

    would he be the top xc racer?

    I think he would be kicking a$$ but his paycheck would be shriveled up.

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    Looking at the steerertube, it looks like carbon to me...

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    Well, I am joking. Sadly, I don't know about the "Hell of the North"
    I remember the " Hell of the West". Vaguely.

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    bummer.

    who did the t.v coverage? i skimmed through the channels for cycling coverage this weekend but dint see nada.
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    who did the t.v coverage? i skimmed through the channels for cycling coverage this weekend but dint see nada.
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    it was an anodized aluminium steerer:

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    Cycling news had a look at Boonens Time VRS, it used a STEEL steerer for this race. Now I know why. Here's hoping George is OK.

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    [QUOTE=lelebebbel]it was an anodized aluminium steerer:

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    Yes now I see, tnx. Already thought it would be risky to ride with a carbon steerertube

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    Hear that?

    That's the sound of the mechanic and/or equipment manager for the Disco boys getting FIRED.

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    I am so PISSED!
    George was the strong man of the race. He was peaking just right and had the strongest team in the race... finally. And to be put out by an aluminum steerer??? I am pissed at the Trek F1 Team, or whatever they call that "Lance marketing" crap. Funny how nothing like this ever happened to Armstrong.
    Apparently, it was a Bonti fork from one of their "Satellite" line of bikes; a lower end component with more trail for a less twitchy ride.
    An aluminum steerer? HELLO! Earth to Trek. Steel and Paris-Roubaix go together like beer and frites in Belgium.
    Plus, he sustained a fracture in between his right collar bone and shoulder. Hopefully the surgery will fix him right up. Damn I am still pissed.

    Maybe in a weird twist of fate, this will enable him to be ready for the Tour GC.

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    Maybe I'm nieve to the whole equipment supplier/pro cycling team marriage. But the Disco/Postal boys have been riding with aluminum steer tubes throughout their union. Why would there be any reason to think that all of a sudden there would be a problem. What I don't understand is if that fork is indeed designed for their (Trek's) Poilet series, is the destruction test standards the same as their reqular race forks.

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    The strange part about this failure is where on the steerer it happened. This would require either a previous weak area (stress riser) or a huge force to create one from the crash. However the amount of force required to cause this failure would probably have bent the stem and bars or both one would think. It just seems that the steerer breaking at that area would be 3rd or 4th in line for weak points on that setup. I'm thinking the steerer was weakened previouslty from some improper mechanicing, is that a word?
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    Did anyone see his first accident...how bad was it. Isn't it possible that that was the start of his problems with the fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    The strange part about this failure is where on the steerer it happened. This would require either a previous weak area (stress riser) or a huge force to create one from the crash. However the amount of force required to cause this failure would probably have bent the stem and bars or both one would think. It just seems that the steerer breaking at that area would be 3rd or 4th in line for weak points on that setup. I'm thinking the steerer was weakened previouslty from some improper mechanicing, is that a word?
    Looked like it snapped right below the stem, which makes me think either damaged from the earlier crash, or the stem was overtightened..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reposado Man
    Looked like it snapped right below the stem, which makes me think either damaged from the earlier crash, or the stem was overtightened..
    You are reinforcing the point I made earlier...
    A steel headtube wouldn't be affected that way. If you are making all kinds of other changes on a bike for a special race, an aluminum steerer seems like a bad oversite or judge poor judgement.

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    They didn't show it on OLN

    Quote Originally Posted by SOFTBUTT
    Did anyone see his first accident...how bad was it. Isn't it possible that that was the start of his problems with the fork.
    Unless it took place while I was in the kitchen.

    Before the BIG crash, the announcers did mention his first crash, but from the tone of their voice, it didn't sound that serious.

    Perhaps the teams will now make it mandatory to switch out bikes - no questions asked - after even a minor wreck in the Paris-Roubaix.

    Even without the crash, my guess is the CSC rider would still have won. GH would have most likely been caught off guard along with Boonen when the CSC rider broke away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelbike
    would he be the top xc racer?

    I think he would be kicking a$$ but his paycheck would be shriveled up.
    Georgie is a beast on a mountain bike but as you said, the money is on the road.

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    Crap, I've got a carbon steerer tube on my road bike. Always worried a bit, and now seeing this aluminum one fail.... Of course, I'm not riding Roubaix, but I do tend to put a lot of pressure on my stem and bars (I've broken mountain bike bars before).

    Anyway, the roadie website says that George has a separated shoulder and that he is flying back to the U.S. for surgery. What a crappy day for the Discovery team!

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    I think the lesson here is: Inspect your stuff carefully after crashing

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    During the telecast

    Quote Originally Posted by SOFTBUTT
    Did anyone see his first accident...how bad was it. Isn't it possible that that was the start of his problems with the fork.
    Johan Bruyneel made reference to the first crash probably cracking the steering tube, but the tape made it undetectable. the force of the constant cobble's eventually made the tube fail. I felt bad for GH. Without knowing him, but reading many articles, I would venture to say Paris-Rubaix is more important to Hincapie than the TDF. He must be emotional, especially knowing Boonen was exposed and he probably had his best chance at winning the race yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gobike
    He must be emotional, especially knowing Boonen was exposed and he probably had his best chance at winning the race yet.
    He probably would have been caught behind the train crossing guard too, or disqualified like his team mates.
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    we'll never know

    but man, what a crappy way to get DQ'd! At least Boonen was cool about it, stating in his mind, he finished 5th.
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    Um, don't worry about it.

    Freak accidents happen and are no indictment of a building material. Steel, alloy and carbon steerers have all broken, and will continue to do so. Also, it's entirely likely that 80% of the peloton was on lighter steerers than George and nobody else broke one.

    Don't worry about it. You could be a clyde and never put as much stress on your equipment as a 150lb pro racing paris-roubaix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    what happens when you mix a carbon sterrer tube, lots of cobblestones, and a not so light rider?

    I'd hate to have to know what it feels like to suddenly find that your bars no longer are "there" for you.........

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    The bike in the picture is very clean... what's up with that? Did they wash it and then take the picture???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    on OLN.

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    unfortunatly my satalite company dropped oln last year when they where askin for more money. hard for me to justify jumping companies for oln when they dont even show mtbing and i could give a rats hinnie about hunting. they do a pretty good job covering the road races though.
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    yeah, but big George still has the queen stage of last years tour

    absolutely freakin astonishing :-0
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    url for video of crash Look mom no hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkHL
    The bike in the picture is very clean... what's up with that? Did they wash it and then take the picture???
    Have you looked at any of the other images from P-R? It was dry for once, so they didn't get too dirty. For instance, if you look at Van Petegem's bike on CyclingNews, it looks like it was just washed too.

    Harris-Roubaix, however, our own version of P-R here in British Columbia, was a complete mud-fest:

    http://www.teamgigabike.com/photos/d...lbum=14&pos=53

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    Trek Madrone: $5000
    Seeing the expression on someone's face when the handlebars of their Madrone fall off: Priceless

    I just returned from SO on turned on OLN just in time to see George doing the Macarena accross the cobbles. Too bad because I knew George was going to show Lief Hoste that he is still in charge and he was clearly a favorite.

    It's wierd, because I saw Zap Sunday morning at the Trek booth and I remember thinking that he didn't look very happy. I wonder if he already heard what happened. What a nightmare for a PR guy to deal with.

    "The Hell" is such an awesome race - something like this always happens. This is a road race that MTBers can love. The riders are usually muddier than the racers at the SO this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH
    Freak accidents happen and are no indictment of a building material. Steel, alloy and carbon steerers have all broken, and will continue to do so. Also, it's entirely likely that 80% of the peloton was on lighter steerers than George and nobody else broke one.

    Don't worry about it. You could be a clyde and never put as much stress on your equipment as a 150lb pro racing paris-roubaix.
    Yeah- don't worry about it. Sage advice dude.
    Let me tell you that a steel steerer tube will put up with a whole bunch more stress, duress and hamfisted mechanic's oversites than an aluminum steerer will. Of course, anything can break due to an uncommon defect in material or a freaky crash. They report that Hincapie's crash was minor and his bike was fine. I believe that if indeed the crash effected his aluminum steerer tube, a steel one would not have failed so easily. And carbon is another animal altogether. Nothing happened to his wheels, right?

    Check your equipment on a regular basis and be sure to follow manufacturer torque specs.
    When we crash (and we all do), let's make sure it is do to not landing that big air or over cooking a fun corner...

    Doing my best to keep the rubber side down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poser
    mms://dayport.wmod.llnwd.net/fc/a258/e1/n3c/0040/180000200604092912_010400010632p2.wmv
    Man that video turns my stomach.

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    Thttp://player.narrowstep.tv/default.aspx?player=cycling
    This maybe old stuff, but I'll post it anyway. Some cool mtb world cup races from 04 to boot. Premium channel for $35/year shows many races live. Much cycling races for free
    though. Check out.

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    I was talking to a couple roadie pals who work at a reputable trek dealer, and they mentioned that hincapie was specced with a bontrager satellite fork instead of a 'high end' fork. A fork such as a satellite probably wasn't designed under the thought that a world class elite would be riding it.
    Also, one of them mentioned that it could have partially been due to him not running any spacers. Apparently some road forks require spacers due to structural integrity. How this works im not too sure.

    just some ideas...

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    1. How long would this type of surgery sideline George?

    2. What happend with the disqualification?

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    Thanks for posting the video. My Tivo didn't record the race.

    Here is a pic from CN. Pretty clear the ST is aluminum.
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    anybody know where to get a downloadable version of that crash?

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    Sop Counting Grams!!!

    George knows why.

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    anybody know where to get a downloadable version of that crash?
    Not downloadable, but you can see it here, click on Paris-Roubaix 2006 video highlights: http://www.velonews.com/vntv/
    The sketchier you are, the better you'll look in artists' renderings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider
    George knows why.
    The fork was actually a much heavier and robust model than they usually run. You show probably have said "don't ride a bike without checking it out after a crash".

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    Steer Tube Scratches

    I lightened the pic in Pchop, looks like there is damage on the inside. Star Nut issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_Burn
    I lightened the pic in Pchop, looks like there is damage on the inside. Star Nut issue?
    Wow first time I've seen that shot. I'm also going with star nut. Didn't think about that initially but it scans.

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