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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Godwin's law wins again! Marketing, advertising and salesmen do not sell products, they sell emotions. They don't sell you the thing, they sell you what you want the thing to do for you. In most cases, that boils down to getting laid.
    In general, yes. MTB parts, not so much. I am looking at all the many ads on this very web page, and none of them look like a Gillette razor ad. Ads for geeks is all I see. Maybe the marketing managers for bike component companies are poorly paid, or maybe they think we are too brainy to fall for ads with buxom lasses in them.

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    Agreed. I like choices. The more I use trigger shifters, the less I like them. They put my hands in an uncomfortable position. I like the concept of twisters better. Alas! Shimano makes no respectable ones.
    So if I want twisters I'm gonna have to switch out my entire drive train (fd and crank excluded)!
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    Agreed. I like choices. The more I use trigger shifters, the less I like them. They put my hands in an uncomfortable position. I like the concept of twisters better. Alas! Shimano makes no respectable ones.
    So if I want twisters I'm gonna have to switch out my entire drive train (fd and crank excluded)!
    I used to be one of those twister guys, for years. Then I tried a set of SRAM triggers with Shimano derailers. I'll never go back to twisting.

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    What combo did you use?
    Don't Shimano and SRAM have different pull ratios?
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    It was an impulse decision.

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    holy groanin' god, this thread is still going?

    i hated grip shift. sachs made grip shifters that felt really nice but worked like (expletive) with shimano derailleurs.

    i'm pretty happy with the SRAM/SRAM i'm using now. it's not by choice, they're just what my new bikes were spec'd with. as a matter of fact, i like the SRAM triggers better than the nineties-era shimano rapid fire on my alibi which i thought were a vast improvement over the thumbshifters and twisters i'd used previously..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    What combo did you use?
    Don't Shimano and SRAM have different pull ratios?
    SRAM Rocket and Attack trigger shifters are made for Shimano derailers. I have three sets of them and they all work very well.

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    Holy shiz. Unsubscribed.
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    I don't think I'll be getting attacks anytime soon. The 1 to 1 thing gives easier shifting, compared to shimano.
    The main reason I don't like shimano shifters is because of the index finger thing. I can dump a cassette shifting up, but using my index finger on the trails freaks me out. I realize that some higher end ones are convertible, but not the ones in my price range.
    Sram thumb only shifters are nice, but I can't dump a cassette. I don't think that's worth it though. I may give them a try for right hand, but probably not.
    Twisters allow for much easier and much safer shifting, IMHO, because its just a flick of the wrist vs having to let one of your fingers off the bars.
    Def my next shifters will be twisters, provided that the industry doesn't declare them obsolete like friction shifters.
    Hopefully there will be plentiful options forever. Not everybody is alike.
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post
    You forgot to mention Fox.
    just scared that a fan of Fox would come after me with a gun..........

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    You're over thinking it. I like to ride. I like to ride well-built, technologically advanced bikes. If I was poor I'd go on Bikes Direct and stretch my dollar as far as I could on an inexpensive but serviceable bike; as I have money I like to spend it on things I like...the Lord knows that between car payments, auto insurance, health insurance, malpractice insurance, disability insurance, property tax, income tax to support the entitled, the fat, the lazy, and the stupid I certainly spend a lot on things I don't like.

    Mountain biking, by the way, is the opposite of conformity, at least where I live. Nobody understands it, they think spending more than a hundred bucks for a bike is insane, and chicks definitely don't dig it....my girlfriend for her part tolerates it but if I was the assistant manager at Taco Bell she probably wouldn't.

    Additionally, while it's true that progress in technology is incremental, a high-end bike in 2013 is vastly better than one from 1993. By better I mean faster, more rugged, lighter, and just more fun to ride.

    Anti-conformity is itself a kind of conformity, by the way. Avant garde is just as reflexive and provincial as normality. I care what people think about me, I adhere to social norms, I am not a rebel or vastly different in outlook from the majority of people which gives me the freedom to do things that I like without worrying about image.

    The real question is if technological progress offers us real benefits or not.
    Certainly bike maintenance and reliability are a big problem. And when you spend a lot of money you do not want problems, right?
    In ten years many things have changed, it is true, but the feeling of being mocked, for me has increased.
    Conformity and nonconformity are concepts near and far at the same time.
    Here in Europe I guess that as you spend more money than you are intelligent and integrated into the system, not only about bikes.
    I am an expert about useless things: I have a store where I sell gold and watches ...
    A few minutes ago I sold a gold ring to a woman who would have something else to think about, the ring does not change her life but so goes the world ...
    To spend money for someone can be a justification for a lifestyle and an hard job.
    I remember a boy with an old bmx, rode with me and my friends, we were younger, we used to have long and challenging rides. he did not need full frame or carbon ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    I don't think I'll be getting attacks anytime soon. The 1 to 1 thing gives easier shifting, compared to shimano.
    The main reason I don't like shimano shifters is because of the index finger thing. I can dump a cassette shifting up, but using my index finger on the trails freaks me out. I realize that some higher end ones are convertible, but not the ones in my price range.
    Sram thumb only shifters are nice, but I can't dump a cassette. I don't think that's worth it though. I may give them a try for right hand, but probably not.
    Twisters allow for much easier and much safer shifting, IMHO, because its just a flick of the wrist vs having to let one of your fingers off the bars.
    Def my next shifters will be twisters, provided that the industry doesn't declare them obsolete like friction shifters.
    Hopefully there will be plentiful options forever. Not everybody is alike.
    I have always felt the twister to be in the way. And I have had some accidental shifts. I also don't like having like half a good grip and the rest whatever sram wants me to have.
    I aint never going back to twisters. I shift up with the thumb and down with the thumb, I love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    Hopefully there will be plentiful options forever. Not everybody is alike.
    I rest my case....


    EDIT: I quoted myself to emphasize my point, that some obviously overlooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    I rest my case....
    Quoting yourself? That's like masterbating.

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    Quoting me without my consent? That's like raping.
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    The problem with all this (un)liked technological 'progress' is more of an issue for store bought bikes. If you are building your own you can pick and choose.

    For instance, my Salsa had state of the art XTR 975 brakes in '09 because I chose them. The same bike also had a set of square taper Middleburn cranks, and 5 bolt 94 bcd rings.

    I use what I like and disregard the rest, otherwise the 'marketing machine' would bother me a lot more than it does.

    I can pick and choose; the other bike just got 9 speed two months back.

    10 speed, I could care less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    Quoting me without my consent? That's like raping.
    You enjoyed it so it doesn't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    I don't think I'll be getting attacks anytime soon. The 1 to 1 thing gives easier shifting, compared to shimano.
    The main reason I don't like shimano shifters is because of the index finger thing. I can dump a cassette shifting up, but using my index finger on the trails freaks me out. I realize that some higher end ones are convertible, but not the ones in my price range.
    Sram thumb only shifters are nice, but I can't dump a cassette. I don't think that's worth it though. I may give them a try for right hand, but probably not.
    Twisters allow for much easier and much safer shifting, IMHO, because its just a flick of the wrist vs having to let one of your fingers off the bars.
    Def my next shifters will be twisters, provided that the industry doesn't declare them obsolete like friction shifters.
    Hopefully there will be plentiful options forever. Not everybody is alike.
    I absolutely hate SRAM shifters with a passion. They are designed for dyslexic people, using the thumb to upshift and downshift is not right, you can't execute fast shitfts either. I have both (shimano and sram shifters), and the sram totally blows. I've tried to live with it for 2 yrs, but I just can't, to me it's not natural. You can't position a sram shifter in the optimal position so your thumb can fall on both paddles. Having your thumb fall on the upshift paddle is great, then you have to reroute your thumb to get to the downshift paddle, not cool. It's not an optimal system if you need to take your thumb/finger off one paddle to get to the other paddle. I'll go with ergonomics this time.
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    Do you really ride with your fingers ready to shift every moment? I don't.

    I have Saint on one bike and X9 on the other. I prefer the X9. Thumbs for shifting, index finger for braking.

    In the end, I'd say it's personal preference. I don't think one is inherently superior.
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    Yeah I do, constantly. Well, my fingers/thumb fall to the paddles naturally (with shimano).
    What seperates them is the ergo's.

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    Back to the point. The industry is doing the right thing by giving people several choices.
    Whether you conceive them to be "must haves" or not is up to you.
    @sv11 I think you mean thumb-thumb shifters, not SRAM shifters.
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Yeah I do, constantly. Well, my fingers/thumb fall to the paddles naturally (with shimano).
    Lets see. 1 finger on up lever, 1 finger on down lever, 1-2 fingers on brake lever.
    That's leaves your pinky to hold on to the bars.

    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    Lets see. 1 finger on up lever, 1 finger on down lever, 1-2 fingers on brake lever.
    That's leaves your pinky to hold on to the bars.

    erm no. I use my index finger to brake, reason being is that i dont normally upshift while braking, but I do downshift when braking. I never put my finger on the brake lever unless im about to use it.
    I don't know whats holding back sram/shimano from making a 1 paddle shifter, it's not like they don't have the technology, resources or knowledge.
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    Twas a joke, mate.
    How would one use a one paddle shifter?

    EDIT: Oh kinda like an indexed thumbie?

    And did somebody hit wmac for his Hitler comment?
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    Twas a joke, mate.
    How would one use a one paddle shifter?

    EDIT: Oh kinda like an indexed thumbie?
    Yeah just having 1 paddle, push/pull indexed (or friction) method, below the bar.

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    I guess.
    But there probably a reason neither has made one yet.
    And there also a reason why SRAM still makes twisters.
    And both SRAM and shimano make thumb thumb shutters.
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    I absolutely hate SRAM shifters with a passion. They are designed for dyslexic people, using the thumb to upshift and downshift is not right, you can't execute fast shitfts either. I have both (shimano and sram shifters), and the sram totally blows. I've tried to live with it for 2 yrs, but I just can't, to me it's not natural. You can't position a sram shifter in the optimal position so your thumb can fall on both paddles. Having your thumb fall on the upshift paddle is great, then you have to reroute your thumb to get to the downshift paddle, not cool. It's not an optimal system if you need to take your thumb/finger off one paddle to get to the other paddle. I'll go with ergonomics this time.
    FYI I friend of mine bought a scott scale and wanted me to have a look at it. I adjusted the whole bike and made sure everything was safe (such as the headset with 5mm play!!!).

    And then we came to the shifters, shimano xt or similar, the ones thet you can operate both with your thumbs and the index finger. He really liked the index finger shifting, but I somehow convinced him thumb/thumb is much better since you only use your thumb. I adjusted the angle of the shifter to make this easier and I heard no complaints about it since.

    I'd go so far as to say thumb/thumb shifting is one of the most revolutionary things that has ever happend to mtbs. I hate twisters with a passion, but index/thumb is like one ppm away in the retarded category if you ask me. And this also happens to be the only thing of any kind of value/improvement to the riders that sram actually contributed to mountainbiking.

    But its big if you ask me. Its about the same level of importance as hydro disc brakes. IMO.
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    For the same reasons that upside down forks, disc brakes, liquid cooling, progressive suspension linkages etc. are standard in the motocross industry and fuel injection, disc brakes, variable valve timing, power steering, ABS, stability/traction control etc. are standard in the auto industry, Tapered headtubes, hydro brakes, disc brakes in general, air spring forks, thru axles, etc. are becoming a new standard in the bike industry. Imagine driving a carburated car, with drums on all fours, with a powerband to try to match with every shift from an unsynced transmission with a goofy clutch, that handles like a boat. Progress sounds like a good idea now eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caid View Post
    For the same reasons that upside down forks, disc brakes, liquid cooling, progressive suspension linkages etc. are standard in the motocross industry and fuel injection, disc brakes, variable valve timing, power steering, ABS, stability/traction control etc. are standard in the auto industry, Tapered headtubes, hydro brakes, disc brakes in general, air spring forks, thru axles, etc. are becoming a new standard in the bike industry. Imagine driving a carburated car, with drums on all fours, with a powerband to try to match with every shift from an unsynced transmission with a goofy clutch, that handles like a boat. Progress sounds like a good idea now eh?
    I drove a 69 bug as my daily driver for ten years until 07, worked just fine, was simple, cheap and very durable, I also put over 200k on a 68 powerwagon only replacing Ujoints, Alternators, fuel pumps, tires and of course belts, to date the bug is the one car I absolutely miss and probably will get another for a main driver.
    Now I have a nice newer Tundra that I cannot do anything to and any repairs run into the 1000s, no argument it is much more comfortable and quiet, but really I got along just fine previously and had I never upgraded to a truck I am afraid to use as a truck, my pocket book would have been quit a bit happier.

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    The 2x10 or 1x11 systems really do not suit me. I will take a 3x10, but would rather have a 3x7 or 3x8 set with 28/38/48 or 26/36/46 x 11-24 or 11-28 and cranks in 185

    29" wheels are nice, each wheel size has its advantages. Unfortunately, I do not see that many 26ers out there, sure a few specialty brands but it seems many of the main line companies have all but abandoned them.

    The new tapered head tube is great and should have been done along time ago.

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    I like the versatility of my 3x9. I just wish someone made a decent 9 speed 11-36 cassette, instead of 11-34.

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    I agree with the tenor of the OP's letter, but I do like my 29 inch wheels and mech disc brakes. 700c is really nothing new, and IMO disc brakes are safer than v-brakes, etc for MTBing.

    Suspension, carbon bits, dropper seatposts, $1,000 wheelsets, 10 speed group, and all the other stuff I can do without....it is not necessary to have a good time on the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webb-o View Post
    Suspension, carbon bits, dropper seatposts, $1,000 wheelsets, 10 speed group, and all the other stuff I can do without....it is not necessary to have a good time on the trail.
    Ha! Go say that in the AM, XC and WW sections and see what you get!
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I like the versatility of my 3x9. I just wish someone made a decent 9 speed 11-36 cassette, instead of 11-34.
    try lucky nino..i had an 11-36 ti cassette from him. worked well imo.. i did have to have him send a better 11t because the initial one was milled wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webb-o View Post

    Suspension, carbon bits, dropper seatposts, $1,000 wheelsets, 10 speed group, and all the other stuff I can do without....it is not necessary to have a good time on the trail.
    Yep, not necessary to have a good time. But it all makes my time much gooder. Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    try lucky nino..i had an 11-36 ti cassette from him. worked well imo.. i did have to have him send a better 11t because the initial one was milled wrong.
    Sounds expensive!

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    I think there also one Shimano 12 - 36 cassette. HG 61, SLX level, I believe.
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    ^ Iv'e seen that. It's pretty heavy. I would like XT level or better, but 12-36 would be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Yep, not necessary to have a good time. But it all makes my time much gooder. Lol!



    Sounds expensive!
    yep. $210. XTR price. i raced it for a season and sold it for about $150. not bad.

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    Ah, Rev, you're missing a little sunshine in your life, I think...

    I have an idea. Go look at your bike in the garage, on it's hook or where ever you keep it. Now go watch some of the television coverage of the RedBull Rampage that just happened.

    If you can't find it on television (which you probably can't because I'm guessing you've got a 15" black and white Zenith from 1981, right? And, of course, it isn't compatible with HDMI and HD or whatever other artificial "standard" those blood-suckers in the cable tv/electronics industry have cooked up to rook you and me out of our hard earned dollars! ) just head to your local grocery store's magazine aisle. Any one of the shiny, ad-stuffed MTB magazines on sale there will feature multiple full-bleed images of guys hurling themselves off absolutely massive cliffs on... wait for it... mountain bikes.

    Now picture one of those guys doing that stuff on your trusty Bridgestone MB-1 from 1990, or whatever it is that you ride. Doesn't really work, does it?

    People push boundaries. It's just what we do. Especially young, foolish people with no sense of self preservation who want to get laid by pretty girls they'll invariably meet at the "after party" of the Rampage. Even in Utah. The kids want to go bigger and go faster. Heck, I want to go bigger and faster and I'm 42!

    People are doing things today on mountain bikes that were simply unimaginable ten or twenty years ago. The marketplace responds.

    Smart engineers and marketing people tasked with selling the products produced by their respective bicycle companies look out at this glorious circus of bike riding that we've all created and work furiously to come up with ideas and products to help us do those crazy things better, easier or faster. If their products are worthy, either by being well engineered, lighter, novel or sometimes just really shiny and cool looking, they find their place in the market and people purchase them.

    This is progress in our little corner of the world. You are not required to participate. There is no one checking your bike before you go out for a ride to make sure that you have the latest in mountain bike technology.

    But begrudging others their luscious suspension, carbon fiber and dropper posts is just bad form, Rev. We are having a ton of fun riding our amazing bikes up and down terrain that I don't think you are going to be able to enjoy on your older bike. You get to vote with your wallet, same as the rest of us, but when you attempt to call the "bike industry" to the carpet for trying to make a decent living, you just make yourself look like a spiteful grouch.

    Enjoy the ride, Rev! And maybe borrow a buddy's over-engineered miracle bike and see what all the fuss is about.

    Yours,

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