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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    I think Magura is losing, so I'll see if I can't help him.
    Magura makes his own parts because the industry doesn't make better stuff anymore. It just makes different stuff. He feels no reason to "upgrade".
    So, he has shunned the biking industry and all of its hype. He does not give a rat's ass about the industry because, in his opinion, it has come to a standstill.
    However, he would care about the industry if it stopped marketing these relatively insignificant changes as revolutions and put that money into RnD. But they don't, which is what he is saying.
    Am I right, Magura?
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    this thread is trending sideways

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    this thread is trending sideways

    No, this thread has trended down hill for a long time.
    There is nothing sideways about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    No, this thread has trended down hill for a long time.
    There is nothing sideways about it.
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    Wow did you actually go through all 13 pages and count?
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I posted about this in a thread last year, in short the entire industry is worth 6 billion dollars in sales, the same as it was 30 years ago. It rises and falls a bit year to year, but for all intents and purposes there is no significant growth (in dollars) across more than a few decades.
    If this is true, the amount of bikes sold today is the same amount sold 30 yrs ago, despite the population nearly doubling. I knew it was bad, but not that bad.
    And, it can only get worse from here on in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I posted about this in a thread last year, in short the entire industry is worth 6 billion dollars in sales, the same as it was 30 years ago. It rises and falls a bit year to year, but for all intents and purposes there is no significant growth (in dollars) across more than a few decades. Fighting for the same dollars does not indicate any growth, so the companies are fighting for their share of the same market total. If you add inflation to the figures it bodes even worse.
    Are you sure? What do your figures say?
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    Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    I posted about this in a thread last year, in short the entire industry is worth 6 billion dollars in sales, the same as it was 30 years ago. It rises and falls a bit year to year, but for all intents and purposes there is no significant growth (in dollars) across more than a few decades. Fighting for the same dollars does not indicate any growth, so the companies are fighting for their share of the same market total. If you add inflation to the figures it bodes even worse.


    Seems impossible.
    1. No way the industry was worth 6 billion in 1980 and 6 billion in 2012.
    2. American industry? What about China's pop growth and their demand for bikes?
    3. Inflation taken into account here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    I posted about this in a thread last year, in short the entire industry is worth 6 billion dollars in sales, the same as it was 30 years ago. It rises and falls a bit year to year, but for all intents and purposes there is no significant growth (in dollars) across more than a few decades. Fighting for the same dollars does not indicate any growth, so the companies are fighting for their share of the same market total. If you add inflation to the figures it bodes even worse.


    Seems impossible.
    1. No way the industry was worth 6 billion in 1980 and 6 billion in 2012.
    2. American industry? What about China's pop growth and their demand for bikes?
    3. Inflation taken into account here?
    Agree with you rydbyk - simply not possible. Think about it...

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    US sales by year from this link.

    Industry Overview 2011 - National Bicycle Dealers Association

    "The size of the industry has remained remarkably stable since 2003, with sales between $5.8 billion and $6.1 billion each year (the exception being 2009). For comparison purposes, we have projected the industry at $5.3 billion in 2002, $5.4 billion in 2003, $5.8 billion in 2004, $6.1 billion in 2005 (an all-time high), $5.8 billion in 2006, $6.0 billion in 2007, $6.0 billion in 2008, $5.6 billion in 2009, $6 billion in 2010, and $6 billion in 2011."

    As you can see the industry has no meaningful growth in dollars. It ebbs and flows but remains fairly constant with no appreciable growth. When you add inflation to the equation the market in dollars is actually shrinking.

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    Just because walmart sells more bikes doesn't mean the industry is growing .
    All one has to do is think abot the number of manufactures that are now reduced to supplying dept store bikes. Unit numbers may have risin but unit price is plummeting. This is to be expected though when the general public demands the cheapest possibble crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    in short the entire industry is worth 6 billion dollars in sales
    The U.S. is not the entire industry.
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    of course that is the case for the U.S.. We are lazy and would rather drive.
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    Dude come on, giving your own thread a +1 is some pretty weak jive. That is like slapping yourself five. You can do better than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzlyplumber View Post
    Dude come on, giving your own thread a +1 is some pretty weak jive. That is like slapping yourself five. You can do better than that.
    Dude come on, that wasn't my post and this isn't my thread.
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    cracks a beer, sits back, and hits refresh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigwheelsRbest View Post
    cracks a beer, sits back, and hits refresh...
    Don't forget the popcorn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Dude come on, that wasn't my post and this isn't my thread.
    Am I the only one who sees that post 16 is pointed at post 15 with a +1 and that they both have your name on them? If so then I apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    i am curious as to the source of this figure.

    From my own personal experience, that seems doubtful. Americans hardly ever rode bikes except as kids' toys in 1980, or as beach cruisers maybe. Since then there have been a big road bike wave, Floyd and Lance winning the TDF, mountain bikes being "invented" around the beginning of that era, gas prices going up, a rise in persons emphasizing sustainable culture and bike culture, and so on. And the bike prices go up every year, at least for the higher end bikes. If the market couldn't sustain that, you would see deep discounts everywhere. Further, the mountain bikes have become more specialized and there are more niches. The same can be said for road bikes.

    I guess it is true that the biggest demographic, the baby boomers, are getting older and older and pretty soon are going to stop shopping for bikes and instead shop for tennis balls for their walkers, this seems to be balanced by the fact that there are plenty of 50 and 60+ year old riders on the paths and trails.

    There are also a lot of related industries like magazines, clothing makers etc. In 1982 I read about the first mountain bikes in "Action Now Magazine" which was a sort of all sport magazine that was started when Skateboarding Mag went under (hey, I grew up in Huntington Beach!). Now each month I get 2 or 3 different mountain bike mags, and don't read several others.

    So, I am finding this doubtful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
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    This is the way it looks from me. Post 316, mine is pointed to post 315, daves4mtb. Which is the way I intended it to be.
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    my earlier post is # 314
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    Wow grizzlyplumber, I thought I was blind.
    Haha jk. But how ....... I don't have the word for it... would you have to be to +1 yourself?
    Does Shawn seem like that kind of a guy?
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    I have seen the post order get messed up before.
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    Hence the jk. But usually the messed up order is universal, isn't it?
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    I would think.
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