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The mother of all apology speeches (lance mega thread)
It's coming. Probably this weekend at the Livestrong anniversary party.
I think it will go like this:
1) He had no choice but to dope as a cyclist.
2) He could not admit because the people with cancer were counting on him.
3) He will now devote his remaining life to fighting cancer.
The interesting information will come in interviews afterward. I cannot see Armstrong not passing the blame around.
An interesting blog post
Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!
German Engineering in Da Haus, Ja!
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I doubt it . . . a confession would lead to substantial legal issues at this point, no? Perjury, etc.
Alcohol may lead nowhere, but it sure is the scenic route!
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Lance is ruined.
Now he is just some doper who was THAT much better then all the other dopers.
What a dope.
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He won't say a thing and he will ignore questions about it, even though the media will be there in droves in hopes that he will say something.
Livestrong itself has been very quiet in their PR stuff lately. I have seen one blog post about Lance stepping down and one or two tidbits about moving on and trying to redirect attention to cancer patients.
I could see Lance pulling out his famous sharp tongue if the media is too pushy.
 Originally Posted by shawnt2012
...the other two morons are bellowing like wookies in a bush waiting for a response back
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Better life through chemicals!
He beat them all, including the system.
More power to Lance.
We do not stop playing because we grow old;
We grow old because we stop playing
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i think
that this will happen inevitably and regardless of his actions...
it'd be nice if he owned to it. it would allow most of us to move on...
Originally Posted by OO7
I doubt it . . . a confession would lead to substantial legal issues at this point, no? Perjury, etc.
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Lance wont be admitting anything, its not in his make up, he might have had the guts to cheat his way to 7 tours and beat cancer but he wont have the guts to admit and come clean on this....
PARRAMATTA EELS R.L.C Life member- BLUE AND GOLD NEVER FOLDS..
'Lifes not about winning or losing, lifes about choosing'
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Originally Posted by osokolo
it'd be nice if he owned to it. it would allow most of us to move on...
You really have problems if you can't move on due to Lance's doping allegations. I think the only sad thing about this whole incident is that, it is very apparent, doping is nearly the only way to compete in professional cycling (roadies).
That all said, Livestrong has, at the very least, brought a large focus the horrible illness that is cancer and the hopes to find a way to fight it. He has also been a huge influence which boosted the American passion in all forms of cycling. I would bet this also improved the health of many folks who wouldn't have cycled before this passion. More ppl are healthier and happier now from Lance's motivation to get on a bike and just pedal.
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We do not stop playing because we grow old;
We grow old because we stop playing
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Originally Posted by jetboy23
You really have problems if you can't move on due to Lance's doping allegations.
i think you are onto something here...
That all said, Livestrong has, at the very least, brought a large focus the horrible illness that is cancer and the hopes to find a way to fight it. He has also been a huge influence which boosted the American passion in all forms of cycling. I would bet this also improved the health of many folks who wouldn't have cycled before this passion. More ppl are healthier and happier now from Lance's motivation to get on a bike and just pedal.
maybe, if it wasn't for McDonald's and Krispy Kreme....
he could have achieved the same influence without cheating...
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"Cheating" "Ruined" LOL Lance Haters dancing on his virtual grave. Dance on, Haters.
All life is 6 to 5 against, just enough of a chance to make it interesting.
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Livestrong contributes almost nothing to actual cancer research. Interesting article in Outside a while back:
Lance Armstrong and Livestrong | Lance Armstrong | OutsideOnline.com
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The two most traumatizing moments of my life.... finding out Santy Claus is not real and Lance being a cheater.
Go figure.
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Why would he even BE there? He stepped down from the Foundation. If it was ME, I wouldn't be anywhere NEAR the thing.
A bike is the only drug with no bad side effects....
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Originally Posted by mikeridesabike
How many times do I have to say this? They don't claim to. The organization promotes survivorship support. They give money to orgs who provide that support and they offer support services of their own. It is an important aspect of caring for cancer patients that was not receiving much attention in the past.
I am a recipient of some of those services. Livestrong paid for me to attend a weekend survivorship retreat where I got to meet other survivors my age. I made some lifelong friends there and learned a great deal about the emotional recovery survivors go through.
The organization also works with the YMCA to provide memberships to survivors so they can get healthy again.
You don't have to fund research to be a viable cancer charity. I am a volunteer with a couple other orgs that provide survivorship support and not a dime to research. It doesn't make them any less important.
Originally Posted by shawnt2012
...the other two morons are bellowing like wookies in a bush waiting for a response back
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Originally Posted by bigpedaler
Why would he even BE there? He stepped down from the Foundation. If it was ME, I wouldn't be anywhere NEAR the thing.
He is still a member of the board even though he no longer leads the organization. Not to mention, the speaking engagement has likely been set for some time.
Originally Posted by shawnt2012
...the other two morons are bellowing like wookies in a bush waiting for a response back
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Originally Posted by Huskywolf
The two most traumatizing moments of my life.... finding out Santy Claus is not real and Lance being a cheater.
Go figure.
Santa isn't real? I know you had to make that one up.
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don't want to argue with you
out of respect for what you've gone through, and you obviously benefited from Livestrong. if you were the only person they helped - Livestrong is worth of it's existence.
i guess one of the points that few people are trying to make is represented by this statement:
“The issue with Lance Armstrong isn’t whether he has done good for cancer victims,” accounting professor Mark Zimbelman wrote on his blog Fraudbytes, in a post comparing Mortenson to Armstrong, “but rather, whether he first cheated to beat his opponents, then used his fraudulent titles to help promote an organization that appears to do good but also enriches a fraudster.”
as far as i am concerned - that is the summary of Livestrong issue and how LA used it to project his public image as well as a powerful protection shield behind which he ran a successful cheating operation...
Originally Posted by NateHawk
How many times do I have to say this? They don't claim to. The organization promotes survivorship support. They give money to orgs who provide that support and they offer support services of their own. It is an important aspect of caring for cancer patients that was not receiving much attention in the past.
I am a recipient of some of those services. Livestrong paid for me to attend a weekend survivorship retreat where I got to meet other survivors my age. I made some lifelong friends there and learned a great deal about the emotional recovery survivors go through.
The organization also works with the YMCA to provide memberships to survivors so they can get healthy again.
You don't have to fund research to be a viable cancer charity. I am a volunteer with a couple other orgs that provide survivorship support and not a dime to research. It doesn't make them any less important.
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Yeah so Lance used his celebrity to promote Livestrong and in turn hid behind Livestrong. I get it. And how they have helped me and other cancer survivors does not excuse anything Lance has done. But big picture, here. Are you saying that cheating and being a lying aggressive @$$ by one guy outweighs the good accomplished by the organization? The previous poster and that Outside article were not even comparing that. They are saying that Livestrong does not support research and implying therefore the charity hides money and spends it suspiciously and is an overall shady organization.
The situation is FAR more complicated than that. Lance is a very complicated person and this is a complicated situation. On the one had he is supremely arrogant and has pushed to ruin people who have tried to uncover his doping and yet on the other he helped create and promote this organization that has helped so many cancer survivors.
I am saying you don't have to throw it all out. Condemn and punish the lying and cheating and all of that stuff. Let the good work continue by supporting cancer survivors locally and globally.
Originally Posted by shawnt2012
...the other two morons are bellowing like wookies in a bush waiting for a response back
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Originally Posted by xcguy
"Cheating" "Ruined" LOL Lance Haters dancing on his virtual grave. Dance on, Haters.
LOL, I think those two words are just about as spot on as you can give.
No hating about them, they are as factual as you will get in these threads lol
yes he cheated, and yes he is ruined, i think you are confusing 'hating' with the facts....
PARRAMATTA EELS R.L.C Life member- BLUE AND GOLD NEVER FOLDS..
'Lifes not about winning or losing, lifes about choosing'
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Originally Posted by NateHawk
On the one had he is supremely arrogant and has pushed to ruin people who have tried to uncover his doping and yet on the other he helped create and promote this organization that has helped so many cancer survivors.
I am saying you don't have to throw it all out. Condemn and punish the lying and cheating and all of that stuff. Let the good work continue by supporting cancer survivors locally and globally.
Jekyll & Hyde for sure!!
Thanks for the breakdown on livestrong natehawk, I wasn't 100% sure what the organization was about.
feelin good is good enough
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it is just a silly bicycle race.
why should anyone really care
Henrietta Winslow is how I'm called . Accounting is what I do . Playing badminton is the only hobby .
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Originally Posted by NateHawk
Yeah so Lance used his celebrity to promote Livestrong and in turn hid behind Livestrong. I get it. And how they have helped me and other cancer survivors does not excuse anything Lance has done. But big picture, here.
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The situation is FAR more complicated than that. Lance is a very complicated person and this is a complicated situation. On the one had he is supremely arrogant and has pushed to ruin people who have tried to uncover his doping and yet on the other he helped create and promote this organization that has helped so many cancer survivors.
I am saying you don't have to throw it all out. Condemn and punish the lying and cheating and all of that stuff. Let the good work continue by supporting cancer survivors locally and globally.
This is very well said. I think there are a lot of angles to this, and most folks don't sift through them.
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I just want to ask.
Do you guys really believe that his opponents were clean?
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