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    God damn roadies are at it again. The way I see it is that everyone doped, that's just what the top level of cycling does. Are there riders that don't? Sure, but will they ever win? No. If you want a chance to win, you do bad things and he won the TDF 7 times. That in itself is just amazing. LA was the most tryhard of the tryhards.

    The thing that bothers me most is that he chose Oprah as the venue for his confession. But I will laugh my ass off if all the audience members receive free bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourtyounce View Post
    Are there riders that don't?
    Sure, wiggins and evans to name a couple.


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    Sure, but will they ever win? No..
    Erm...actually both of them won, Wiggins won last year, Evans the year before. They proved you don't need to do bad things to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Sure, wiggins and evans to name a couple.




    Erm...actually both of them won, Wiggins won last year, Evans the year before. They proved you don't need to do bad things to win.
    They have not done bad things that we know of.

    However, who knows what we will discover 7 years from now.

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    I guarantee you that Wiggins and Evans are doing something. If, in your job, someone, who is not as gifted as you was taking a substance that made them better and took away from your pocket book, what would you do? I am not a Lance lover at all. I always knew he was doping. Probably 75 to 85% of all professional athletes are taking something. These people have about a 10 to 15 year window to maximize their earning potential. As far as Tyler Hamilton and any other of his teammates who ratted on Lance, well. They say they were told they had to dope. Well, they could've said, then, we won't ride on your team. Of course as they went down the line of the top teams they would've been saying no a lot. If they had ridden for a clean team, no placing, no exposure, and not as much $$$$. What a bunch of ingrates. Sometimes there has to be honor among theives. I don't think most of the world gives a rat's ass who doped. If you think that people are winning and riding clean in the Tour, then you are living in a polyanna existence. We love to watch people ride and run faster and faster. Well, this is how the best do it to be able to hang with all the others who are doing it. I say let them do anything they want. It's their body and their choice.
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    No, A serial liar is not to be forgiven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I already forgot....not because I do or don't believe that Lance is truly sorry but because I honestly believe the entire peloton of 'Tour de France' level professional road racers(minus maybe 5% tops) is guilty of doping or cheating in some way, manner or form. If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing? It means they suck and are essentially worthless.
    Yes I believe I'll look in the newspaper and find some havoc committed here, do it myself, then when the police arrive, I'll just tell them hey other people are doing it and all will be forgiven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    The sharks smell blood and they will attack.
    The first sharks to the meal are the only ones that will be able to get a piece.
    Can't he have donated all his possessions, just waiting for every possible lawsuit, and when all the sentences are in, to declare personal bankruptcy and let debts become someone else's problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am sure many other lawsuits will follow.
    The sharks smell blood and they will attack.
    The first sharks to the meal are the only ones that will be able to get a piece.
    All the estimates of his wealth are at least 100 million. All estimates of his total liabilities from the confession are sub 20 million, and zero jail time. He is fine, and will likely just start writing checks to keep the 'cost' part of the total bill to a minimum. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he pays less than 10 million, inclusive of costs.

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    Why do I need to forgive Lance? What did he do to me? Let's see, got me interested in Road Cycling, popularized road racing, more TV time for me to view, which I enjoy.

    Sure he's quite a cheat and prick, but I don't see him starting a war where thousands and thousands of lifes are lost, or causing some huge enviro disaster, or bailing out the rich with fed money.... It's amazing how there is so much hate towards Lance. Sure, if I was Lemond, Betsy Andreu, or Emma O'rielly I'd hate his guts out.
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    OK, so now we know Lance is guilty, can we forgive and forget?

    Ask all the people he and his lawyers intimidated, sued, disparaged and generally screwed over the years for saying anything that was contrary to the big lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    I see no reason to forgive ... But given enough time, I hope everyone forgets his name as anything more than a bad joke played upon the sporting World.[/COLOR][/B]
    Don't hold your breath. This fits one of the oldest, most popular myths in the world - the flawed, fallen hero. Lance as Achilles.

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    I hear he's taking down the UCI and US Postal as co-conspirators.

    No mention of other sponsors or sanctioning bodies going down with him yet.

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    Good, I hope anyone and everyone involved in this fraud does time behind bars.
    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    I hope he throws everyone under a bus. starting with the UCI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I already forgot....not because I do or don't believe that Lance is truly sorry but because I honestly believe the entire peloton of 'Tour de France' level professional road racers(minus maybe 5% tops) is guilty of doping or cheating in some way, manner or form. If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing? It means they suck and are essentially worthless.
    +1 on this. I would like to know how many other people are/were doping. I suspect a lot of politics on this issue.

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    Hard to forgive or forget when I never gave a sh!t either way to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitek View Post
    I'm waiting to see how many of the people he trampled, sue his lying ass.
    I've been very surprised to hear of the things he did to some of those poor folks that were merely telling the truth.

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    Lance will have a mixed legacy but yeah, pro-cycling was a joke for so long. Everyone knew everyone was doping and no one stopped it. Riders are slower now, so maybe things are being cleaned up.

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    Everyone doped. He was the best of all the other cyclist/dopers. He's a person. He entertains me as a cyclist and endurance athlete. I don't know him. Doubt he cares any more than I do if I "forgive" him or not.
    I don't know Berry Bonds. He doped. So did most others. He hit a lot of home runs. It was fun to watch. He got caught. He's an avid cyclist now I hear.
    My point is stop getting so caught up in other peoples lives. Yeah, it's interesting, watch Oprah tonight, talk about it at work tomorrow then go ride your bike. If Lance passes me on a trail here in Texas someday I'll try to catch up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I already forgot....not because I do or don't believe that Lance is truly sorry but because I honestly believe the entire peloton of 'Tour de France' level professional road racers(minus maybe 5% tops) is guilty of doping or cheating in some way, manner or form. If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing? It means they suck and are essentially worthless.
    Didnt take much digging into these three pages to find the winner.

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    Road cycling is a dopers paradise. The nature of the sport is just too enticing to cheat at. It is bad for your health to be all angry though so quit punishing yourself with your anger

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    Smile

    never forget and L. A. does not deserve forgiveness. and the French press were right about him, all along...

    geed and dishonesty personified.
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    Armstrong stripped of Olympic bronze medal

    Thirteen years after he stood on the podium in Sydney, Lance Armstrong was stripped of his bronze medal from the 2000 Olympics because of doping.

    The International Olympic Committee sent a letter to Armstrong on Wednesday night asking him to return the medal, just as it said it planned to do last month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskare View Post
    All the estimates of his wealth are at least 100 million. All estimates of his total liabilities from the confession are sub 20 million, and zero jail time. He is fine, and will likely just start writing checks to keep the 'cost' part of the total bill to a minimum. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he pays less than 10 million, inclusive of costs.
    Even if he was taken down to $0 dollars, he would come out wealthy after book and movie deals.

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    He doped. Anyone who has followed cycling knows that there has been credible allegations about LA doping for nearly 16 years. 16 years.

    I am bummed and too would like to think these guys are superheroes during their races, but we all know that to be competitive and perhaps just hang on for dear life at the back of the peleton you had to be doped to the gills.

    *Please don't respond with a name of some rider you think was clean now...thanks.

    For me, it is much much bigger than the doping issue with LA. If he had not been so mean to so many people for so long, this whole situation would not be what it is for him today. He stepped on the toes of some powerful people (Ex. John Kerry).

    This was destined to happen sooner or later.....it is payback I believe.... not so much about the doping.

    He has a lot of apologizing to do to the folks he tried to ruin along the way. No need to apologize to us current and past "fans". If we idolized him that much, it was on us to educate ourselves about him as a person. Read the books etc..

    Well, maybe he should apologize to any small children that were fans...

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    I can forgive...we are human.

    I do feel sorry for all the millions of individuals who were inspired and believed that anything is possible. So, all i can say is, he survived cancer and completed one of the most difficult road races in the world. Running a marathon is not about winning, just completing is considered a win.

    Even if one was to disregard his wins. One would still have to admire his efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moto Rider View Post
    I can forgive...we are human.

    I do feel sorry for all the millions of individuals who were inspired and believed that anything is possible. So, all i can say is, he survived cancer and completed one of the most difficult road races in the world. Running a marathon is not about winning, just completing is considered a win.

    Even if one was to disregard his wins. One would still have to admire his efforts.
    True. Also, an egocentric mean spirited person doped with the best dope and surrounded by the best pro team who "won" the TdF 7 times is absolutely nearly impossible and still mind blowing. It really is imo.

    Pretty impressive even with all the variables thrown in. I am under the impression that most honest international pros will tell you there is NO way they could have done that also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Good, I hope anyone and everyone involved in this fraud does time behind bars.
    Ned Overend agrees:

    Overend Calls For Cycling's Dopers To Be Treated As Criminals | Cyclingnews.com

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    NO.
    I am sorry, he earned the PRIVILEGE to compete in any and every event and as I do admire his gifted abilities to compete at a level that is nothing short of miraculous, he is also a liar, the equivalent of an extortionist and a downright rude SOB. He used his gift and hard work to deceive (and earn) millions and then went on to literally destroy reputations of people telling the TRUTH of his actions. I don't care what he did for Charities either, it is all soiled monies, I know a lot of great things came out of the Livestrong foundation but as Spiritual beings we are, call it Karma call it what you will, a price to be paid will come. God bless us, I am at this moment ashamed that I ever and did believe in this and other athletic so called Heroes. When will society and athletes included learn that integrity will ALWAYS prevail.
    This is just my personal opinion.
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    What?

    Who's Lance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkon11 View Post
    It's threads like these that make me want to leave MTBR forever. Good job you ****faces.
    ...and who held a gun to your head and forced you to read?

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    I hope he throws everyone under a bus. starting with the UCI.
    Not like he isn't well practiced.


    If he goes out and makes right to the various people who's lives he made it a personal mission to damage (or at least tries), I could think about forgiving him for it all then.

    Buy them houses, gives them a nice healthy chunk of cash (at least equal to lost earnings + legal fees from his hatchets jobs) and publicly admits exactly what he did to them. I think any remorse he's feeling now is for getting caught, people like that are always in the right in their own head, whatever the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkon11 View Post
    It's threads like these that make me want to leave MTBR forever. Good job you ****faces.



    Buh bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobster_CT View Post
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    Wrong on both counts. nm
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    He is a d-bag in my book. I just converted my Live Strong shirt to a bike rag.
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    Deep down I was hoping he was clean. I knew he wasn't or any of the folks at the top for that matter but still hoped for it nonetheless. Never really a huge fan but I often thought with respect to Livestrong, "there's a guy who gives hope to a lot of folks, good on ya". I knew it all along but still feel a bit let down. Not for my sake but let's face it, cycling isn't really that popular in the US and this is a real kick in the nuts for a sport most folks view as snobby and elitist in the first place. Better get to work on the "I'm not Lance Armstrong" graphic jersey to wear on my road rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    True. Also, an egocentric mean spirited person doped with the best dope and surrounded by the best pro team who "won" the TdF 7 times is absolutely nearly impossible and still mind blowing. It really is imo.

    Pretty impressive even with all the variables thrown in. I am under the impression that most honest international pros will tell you there is NO way they could have done that also.

    Yup, he out doped the dopers, 7 times. It is VERY impressive.

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    This sucks, Lance is not naming names...
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    who is worse lance or pete rose?

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    International Olympic Committee has stated that if the UCI is implicated by Armstrong's admissions (and further court hearings), they will ban all cycling (MTB included) from all Olympic events for a period of at least 8 years. That means if you are a clean young kid (lets say 16 years old today), and you have the ambition to ride in the Olympics (MTB or Road), you might not be able to do so.

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    nevermind... I'm taking this post to OC...

    Should have looked there first
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    Oprah interview Lance, what are your thoughts.

    I thought he felt like he had a huge weight taken off. I will not forget ever but I may forgive some time. He should never return to any form of competition though. He probably should also make some kind of financial penance if he does really seek remorse.

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    He's like a kid stuck with a stash of porn mags and his shorts down around his ankles trying to back peddle n tread water best he can.

    It won't be enough to satisfy WADA or USADA of course.

    I still think Lance was a terrific athlete; just his success went to his head. I think but for all of the strongest humans, we get away with what we can. Bad part is he trashed so many in doing so.

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    I agree with you. However I bet you he feels so much better after this confession of sorts. It is not going to be good for him nor do I want it to be but I believe he feels a million times better than he did last week, He should get no quarter . His spirit will, however be reborn.

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    Try caring about him as much as he does you, you won't be bothered from that point onward.
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    Who is this? Oh wait, don't care...
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    He did what most everyone else was doing---who cares its like everyone else in life anymore whats 5 mph over the speed limit so long as i don't get caught, so i took some parts from work home to use so what, i only cheated with your sister once!, better yet Bill Clinton not having sex when he left a deposit on monica's dress
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