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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    While in this "training mode" where you dope, there will be a separate window that opens up that shows everyone else doing the same thing so, in fact, level playing field!

    Definition of "cheating" is where you gain an unfair advantage and the only unfair advantage Lance had in all of this was because he is Lance, not that he doped.
    They should call it, "Rationalize dishonest, rule ignoring, contract breaking, fraudulent action mode." Hen when you get found out, you can sue people with the millions you made by living a fraudulent life and lying to people during your entire fraudulent career.

    Your statement is so rediculous and so short sighted that I can't tell if you're serious or just as morally bankrupt as Lance Armstrong.

    So, let's say I sell a product and there are laws against doing certain things and my company prohibits me from doing certain things, like buying expensive gifts for potential customers. But EVERY OTHER sales guy in my company and other companies do it.

    What do you do? Go ahead and bribe your customers or get a new job or turn everyone in?

    This Lance thing is not insignificant. It is a small indicator of what's going on throughout the entire economic system.

    The most recent example is HSBC where bankers were just doing what almost every other banker does and cheated to get rich. No one is going to jail. Guys who steal a $2,000 car go to The Big House for years. LA and other fraudsters get to live in big houses. No penalties, no nothing.

    Sickening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    You have professed a half a dozen times that this isn't worth arguing over, yet you continue to argue by insisting on getting the last word. You can't help it, can you? I've replied to you to see just how many times you'll keep doing it and I suspect it will be endless. You are a troll.

    GTFO
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    I wouldn't bet against Armstrong. He's a survivor. He's going to re sign with nike first, and when he starts to sell, bell, oakley etc will want to come back on board. I think he did what he had to do to win, and fiercly protect what he had gained.

    He came back from Cancer. This shouldn't be a problem for him.
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    Every dope user and dealer gets caught sooner or later and the cards keep falling and will continue to fall until it's ALL out in the open.
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    Yeah, like I said, old news, I just found out an hour ago, but I guess its been the "big talk around the camp fire" for several days now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Result of a search for sociopath:
    Yahoo! as your search? gross!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    you know what irks me, a sick and sadistic $h!t bag killed many in a Colorado theater and(thankfully) instead of glorifying his actions and name not much is spoken of him anymore other then a headline burp about the trial... yet here's a guy who admitted his wrong doing and people continue to put him on a pedestal..
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    Welcome back to planet Earth. This has been on the news 24/7 for about a week now...and I don't think many people were shocked to find out it was true!!!

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    I think it is pretty clear that Lance is a sociopath

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Fixed it.
    Calling him "Cyclings greatest rider" is disrespecting all those riders who won without the aid of drugs.
    LOL! Guess youre right about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    you know what irks me, a sick and sadistic $h!t bag killed many in a Colorado theater and(thankfully) instead of glorifying his actions and name not much is spoken of him anymore other then a headline burp about the trial... yet here's a guy who admitted his wrong doing and people continue to put him on a pedestal..
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    Oh, hey Shwinn, sorry, flew off the handle and misread your post. Will rep when I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgill32 View Post
    It's clear to me that he's a pathological liar and completely narcissistic. He pretty much admitted in the interview that he wouldn't have come clean on his own had he not been busted. Based on his body language and his response to the questions it's apparent to me that he has little to no remorse for what he has done. I think he deserves sever punishment for decades of organized deception, lying under oath & malicious attacks on those that exposed the truth about him. He's a disgrace to the sport of cycling & the spirit of competition in general.
    Perfectly stated. He has along tough road ahead before people will give him a second look.......but I guess Ex-teammate Scott Mercier will be the first. I see him needing to make right on all the people he destroyed covering up his lies

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Sorry. My misunderstanding.
    BOTH of you GTFO, then come back, then GTFO again, but this time don't come back until you have Beer, Guns, and Hot Babes.

    Got it?!?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Here's the best I can do on short notice
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    GTFO and get some beers dood - jeez,
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    you know what the biggest most important thing is that i have yet to hear about ... all the people's lives who cancer patients who were either saved or quality of life improved by all the donations made to the foundation. much like the rest of the media world looking only for the bad things in life, money was still raised for a good cause. and If by lying pulled in as much money as he did then I guess it's not all that bad now is it... $h!t, If it were me who got cancer, survived, started a foundation, raced, raised money, and lied it would suck. but if i knew what i did helped to save at least one life then i would say the lie was worth it. yes he's a dirt bag, but there is a much bigger picture
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    you know what the biggest most important thing is that i have yet to hear about ... all the people's lives who cancer patients who were either saved or quality of life improved by all the donations made to the foundation. much like the rest of the media world looking only for the bad things in life, money was still raised for a good cause. and If by lying pulled in as much money as he did then I guess it's not all that bad now is it... $h!t, If it were me who got cancer, survived, raced, won, raised money, and lied it would suck. but if i knew what i did helped to save at least one life then i would say the lie was worth it
    Dude, you just opened Pandora's Box there.
    Don't you know if you discuss anything good that LA did, the pack of wolves will attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    you know what the biggest most important thing is that i have yet to hear about ... all the people's lives who cancer patients who were either saved or quality of life improved by all the donations made to the foundation. much like the rest of the media world looking only for the bad things in life, money was still raised for a good cause. and If by lying pulled in as much money as he did then I guess it's not all that bad now is it... $h!t, If it were me who got cancer, survived, started a foundation, raced, raised money, and lied it would suck. but if i knew what i did helped to save at least one life then i would say the lie was worth it. yes he's a dirt bag, but there is a much bigger picture
    it's a really trivial lie that keeps people distracted by bigger, and actually consequential, lies told by bankers, corporations and the Gov't

    Putting that much 'weight' about lying in a sporting event is stooooooooooooooooooooooopid
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Dude, you just opened Pandora's Box there.
    Don't you know if you discuss anything good that LA did, the pack of wolves will attack.
    I truly don't understand the vitriol aimed at Lance...even if he did dope...along with everyone else...it was a level playing field and he was just a part of it. It's like some cathartic mob mentality that needs to bring down some public person.

    I don't feel betrayed by Lance's "confession", I feel betrayed by the sanctimonious holier-than-thou attitude of the condemners. My opinion of Lance has not diminished one iota through all of this. It was high before, it's high now. **** the naysayers.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Dude, you just opened Pandora's Box there.
    Don't you know if you discuss anything good that LA did, the pack of wolves will attack.
    oh No! the big bad words on the computer screen might hurt me..... now tell me i'm wrong... money was raised and lives were either saved and/or quality of life improved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    oh know! the big bad words on the computer screen might hurt me..... now tell me i'm wrong... money was raised and lives were either saved and/or quality of life improved.
    Hey man, I am not arguing with you.

    I agree, I think LA and LiveStrong did a lot for cancer.

    So sad that people will absolutely ignore that and try and down play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    I truly don't understand the vitriol aimed at Lance...even if he did dope...along with everyone else...it was a level playing field and he was just a part of it. It's like some cathartic mob mentality that needs to bring down some public person.

    I don't feel betrayed by Lance's "confession", I feel betrayed by the sanctimonious holier-than-thou attitude of the condemners. My opinion of Lance has not diminished one iota through all of this. It was high before, it's high now. **** the naysayers.
    Good post

    I will agree, my opinion has not changed of LA one bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    I've replied to you to see just how many times you'll keep doing it and I suspect it will be endless. You are a troll.
    And yet you call me a troll.

    You want me to GTFO yet you keep replying to me to see my next post.

    Maybe if you stop replying to me, maybe I will stop replying to you.

    If you think I am a troll, then quit feeding me.

    Of course, we are in a conundrum now because you admittedly are a troll and I just keep feeding you. Go figure.

    How about you GTFO

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    oh know! the big bad words on the computer screen might hurt me..... now tell me i'm wrong... money was raised and lives were either saved and/or quality of life improved.
    "oh know".
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    I truly don't understand the vitriol aimed at Lance...even if he did dope...along with everyone else...it was a level playing field and he was just a part of it. It's like some cathartic mob mentality that needs to bring down some public person.

    I don't feel betrayed by Lance's "confession", I feel betrayed by the sanctimonious holier-than-thou attitude of the condemners. My opinion of Lance has not diminished one iota through all of this. It was high before, it's high now. **** the naysayers.
    It is the nature of people when someone falls from grace, Roberto Duran used to give most of his fight purses to his hometown, they would have parades and celebrate him when he returned, those same people lined the streets and spit on him when he lost to Sugar Ray.

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    i no i no spelling.... if it was a spelling contest maybe i would care.
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    257 ohter threads about Lance on MTBR not enough for you??
    It's such a fine line between idiocy and genius.

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    Does anyone no if their will bee a test on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    GTFO and get some beers dood - jeez,
    someone pissed in your coffee? let them speak their mind... c'mon delll. it is internets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    someone pissed in your coffee? let them speak their mind... c'mon delll. it is internets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    no pee, just DeCaf
    you must send cash to livewrong. asap.
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    After some time to mull it over, I feel it was an insincere attempt at saving face. There may have been moments of honesty but not many. Oprah ending with "the truth shall set you free" was over the top corny. LA can fall off the face of the earth now.

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    once Justin bieber comes out, I'm going to hit up one of his forums and do what you just did

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    I know it may sound sad, but I am more surprised when I hear that a professional athlete is NOT doping...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PdlPwr View Post
    LA can fall off the face of the earth now.
    I am pretty sure that since the earth is round and Gravity keeps us grounded, that would be impossible.

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    None of us here caused anything.

    I watched exciting competition and enjoyed it. That it turns out, after the fact, to be effected by banned substances/behaviors does not change my experience in the least. My brain does not go back and edit.

    It is disappointing that their was so much illegal activity in cycling then, and now, for all I know. That these guys are so bad at managing off of the bike, not their field of expertise, should hardly be a surprise. The pointing of fingers, from a humanitarian perspective, is insult to injury. The laying of blame is really about $ and lawyers and selling media.

    I won't participate in that.
    I don't rattle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    None of us here caused anything.

    I watched exciting competition and enjoyed it. That it turns out, after the fact, to be effected by banned substances/behaviors does not change my experience in the least. My brain does not go back and edit.

    It is disappointing that their was so much illegal activity in cycling then, and now, for all I know. That these guys are so bad at managing off of the bike, not their field of expertise, should hardly be a surprise. The pointing of fingers, from a humanitarian perspective, is insult to injury. The laying of blame is really about $ and lawyers and selling media.

    I won't participate in that.
    well said, mike. all joking aside, "disappointed" pretty much sums up how i really feel.

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    all lance posts in passion merged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    And yet you call me a troll.

    You want me to GTFO yet you keep replying to me to see my next post.

    Maybe if you stop replying to me, maybe I will stop replying to you.

    If you think I am a troll, then quit feeding me.

    Of course, we are in a conundrum now because you admittedly are a troll and I just keep feeding you. Go figure.

    How about you GTFO
    We've all read your lame, tired argument and have responded and explained with facts why you are completely wrong in your rationalization. You then claimed several times that this isn't worth arguing over and you were done. Yet you aren't.

    Counter-troll is different.
    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    "If" the guy did dope during all of those years of TDF wins, with 100's of tests, why didn't he ever turn up positive ??????????????

    There must be collusion on a grand scale between the testing booth and the lab about whose samples are really anonymous, or a provider in the know that is so far ahead of the curve that the enhancers can't be detected even from old samples.

    If he really did dope, and still came out clean on all of those tests, the best thing he could do would be to name the providers.

    In any event, it was a level playing field, he won 7 TDF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    someone pissed in your coffee? let them speak their mind... c'mon delll. it is internets.
    well, it's out of context now

    get me a beer!
    (I'll get you one too )
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    all lance posts in passion merged.
    well, that should make everything nice and concise! DERP
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    there is only one pure game and no it's not chess.... the only game is the game of Wold Series of Poker.. because if you are caught cheating you just might get shot or buried somewhere in the Navada desert .... after being shot or beaten with baseball bats. it's true, i saw that $h!t on the movie Casino
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    I truly don't understand the vitriol aimed at Lance...even if he did dope...along with everyone else...it was a level playing field and he was just a part of it. It's like some cathartic mob mentality that needs to bring down some public person.

    I don't feel betrayed by Lance's "confession", I feel betrayed by the sanctimonious holier-than-thou attitude of the condemners. My opinion of Lance has not diminished one iota through all of this. It was high before, it's high now. **** the naysayers.
    You have absolutely no idea on what went on, I am having a hard time believing that a person could be so arrogant as yourself. You have no idea about the bullying, lying, frauding, spilling the beans on those who wanted to out him, the cover ups, the corruption and all the other stuff that I can't be bothered to mention. This isnt about drugs, everyone knows he doped on day one. I am guessing you have not watched the world according to lance and/or the oprah interview, if you did you wouldn't spray such ridiculous comments. That's why there is a keen interest behind LA, not because of the doping, but for everything else.
    All this info is out there, but you choose arrogance, amazing!!
    BTW...it was never a level playing field, you are regurgitating false information, which is not cool.
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    it's comical, the words on the big bad computer screen are hurting SV11's feelings. must be caused by being stuck in his house for so long out of fear of not trusting others( bike theft thread) which is why he hasn't serviced his front forks for over 5 years (DVO suspension thread). got nothing better to do then watch tv i guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by onbelaydave View Post
    "If" the guy did dope during all of those years of TDF wins, with 100's of tests, why didn't he ever turn up positive ??????????????

    There must be collusion on a grand scale between the testing booth and the lab about whose samples are really anonymous, or a provider in the know that is so far ahead of the curve that the enhancers can't be detected even from old samples.

    If he really did dope, and still came out clean on all of those tests, the best thing he could do would be to name the providers.

    In any event, it was a level playing field, he won 7 TDF.
    Yep. There was a collusion.

    You must start paying attention to details if you want to figure it out. Unfortunately, I don't think you can say Lance won those tours. Any more. That is one sad story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    it's comical, the words on the big bad computer screen are hurting SV11's feelings. must be caused by being stuck in his house for so long out of fear of not trusting others( bike theft thread) which is why he hasn't servicing his front forks for over 5 years (DVO suspension thread). got nothing better to do then watch tv i guess
    What the hell are you on about, unresolved issues? Hurt feelings, what are you on dude? You seem to be hanging on to my posts, does my comments affect you that much, hence why you have to bring it up.
    How about staying on topic and not worrying how long my forks have gone without a farkn service!!
    LA's fans are starting to show their true colors, it's absolutely pathetic.

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    maybe you should go back and read my comments on what really matters about the whole situation and no, your words won't make me loose any sleep. As stated, it's just comical to me. ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    maybe you should go back and read my comments on what really matters about the whole situation and no, your words won't make me loose any sleep. As stated, it's just comical to me. ..
    Are you seriously on drugs? Read your comments?...what the hell are you on about? What is with you, are you looking for a confrontation?
    Lets not forget one important factor, YOU BOUGHT THIS SHYT UP!!!

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    the important factor is the lives saved and lives improved by the money taken in over the past 10 years. Prove me wrong
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    and the only drug I'm on is alcohol which is completely legal in the confines of my warm home.
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    it's a fine line between morals and ethics.... NO, I DO NOT SUPPORT HIS ETHICS. I do support the morals raising money for helping those who suffer from medial situations such as those with cancer which I hope NO ONE has to endure. I know friends who have had and have cancer. It's a GOOD thing a foundation such as Live Strong is around with the financial backing to help those who need it.
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    "after being shot or beaten with baseball bats. it's true, i saw that $h!t on the movie Casino"

    which is loosely based on a true story:

    Anthony Spilotro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "It is suspected that Spilotro and his brother Michael were called by Samuel Carlisi to a meeting at a hunting lodge owned by Spilotro's former mob boss, Joey Aiuppa. Original reports stated the Spilotros were savagely beaten and buried alive in a cornfield in Enos, Indiana. They were identified by their brother Pasquale, Jr. through dental x-ray records. However, in 2007, mob assassin Nicholas Calabrese testified at the "Operation Family Secrets" trial in Chicago that the brothers were killed in a Bensenville, Illinois, basement where the Spilotros believed Michael would be inducted into The Outfit. According to court testimony, when Tony entered the basement and realized what was about to occur, he asked if he could "say a prayer".

    An autopsy performed on the recovered bodies allegedly found sand in the brothers' lungs, leading FBI examiners to speculate that they had been buried alive. Subsequent testimony proved they were killed in a basement and their bodies later dumped in a grave."


    your tidbit of cosa nostra history for the evening. cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by onbelaydave View Post
    "If" the guy did dope during all of those years of TDF wins, with 100's of tests, why didn't he ever turn up positive ??????????????
    try less than 130 tests with 8 of them dirty. one which mysteriously went away after LA made a 6 figure "donation" to the UCI for drug testing equipment (of all things).

    Quote Originally Posted by onbelaydave
    In any event, it was a level playing field, he won 7 TDF.
    aside from the fact that he has not won one (let alone seven) as those titles were stripped from him meaning he was effectively disqualified from the race for cheating, and aside from the fact that during those years there is no official winner, it should be noted that not even lance claims those victories anymore.

    not even lance. let that sink in....
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    try less than 130 tests with 8 of them dirty. one which mysteriously went away after LA made a 6 figure "donation" to the UCI for drug testing equipment (of all things).


    aside from the fact that he has not won one (let alone seven) as those titles were stripped from him meaning he was effectively disqualified from the race for cheating, and aside from the fact that during those years there is no official winner, it should be noted that not even lance claims those victories anymore.

    not even lance. let that sink in....
    don't forget about this:

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    the important factor is the lives saved and lives improved by the money taken in over the past 10 years. Prove me wrong
    mr. schwinn, being at the helm and /or the board of directors of a cancer awareness foundation does not give one license to lie, cheat and level threats at those who would expose your lying and cheating...no more that it gave the fictional soprano family legitimacy via their donations to the feast of st elezar...

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    the important factor is the lives saved and lives improved by the money taken in over the past 10 years. Prove me wrong
    No need to prove you wrong, because you can't prove that he didn't create/direct Livestrong as a diversion to draw attention away from the troubled road he has, and continues to cycle down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    it's a fine line between morals and ethics.... NO, I DO NOT SUPPORT HIS ETHICS. I do support the morals raising money for helping those who suffer from medial situations such as those with cancer which I hope NO ONE has to endure. I know friends who have had and have cancer. It's a GOOD thing a foundation such as Live Strong is around with the financial backing to help those who need it.
    See previous ... He might be much worse than you think, and you can't prove the suspicion is unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    mr. schwinn, being at the helm and /or the board of directors of a cancer awareness foundation does not give one license to lie, cheat and level threats at those who would expose your lying and cheating...no more that it gave the fictional soprano family legitimacy via their donations to the feast of st elezar..
    so the money taken in by those threats didn't have a potential impact on those who needed help not given by insurance companies or other outside sources? I would like to bet if you or anyone else for that matter's child was ill and suffering they would do anything and it would take help from anyone to help ease their pain regardless of how or where the money came from. you are right and I'm not debating the fact that he lied. I DO NOT SUPPORT HIS LACK OF INTEGRITY.. what I DO support is the helping of those in need which the foundation he crated has done and I'm sure will continue to do... HELP SAVE LIVES and IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE of those suffering from cancer. Everyone a$$hole has their opinion, i just happen to focus on the aspect that helps people
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    It's pretty much indisputable that Lance was the biggest cheat in the sport that apparently has more cheaters than clean players, but that's only the tip of the iceberg in this story.

    The rest centers on what passes for "character" in Lance.... all carefully staged, prefabbed, phony as a three dollar bill.

    Lance is the epitomy of what a true sociopath can accomplish in pro cycling.....no real remorse at the many lives he destroyed to cover up his cheating. Now he is gonna hide behind his cancer kids....how brave is that.

    I don't think that half-assed, pseudo-apology to Oprah, who BTW, has no skin at all in the pro cycling game, is quite gonna cut it.
    Nope, Lance has got KARMA comin' his way....and who knows whether it will arrive in the form of a Greyhound bus when he's on a training ride, or an ominous new spot on an upcoming routine x-ray, but he's got some heavy sh*t due. He's deliberately wrecked a lot of lives through slander, bullying, and many other slimy tactics. Something's gotta give.

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    "so the money taken in by those threats"

    dude, read and think about what you're typing.

    now you're unwittingly accusing lance of extortion.

    however, i get your point. the foundation's goal was to raise awareness of cancer, which is a good thing. yes, sometimes bad people do good things. i do not believe that lance is wholly evil; rather, i think he got caught up in a behavioral cesspool he could not climb out of. however, it was his choice to leap into this cash-lined slime pit and now he is paying the price.

    it is painful and disappointing thing to watch.

    btw, i lost my older brother in 1999 to two different kinds cancer and my older sister is a survivor.

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    In an interview with the Daily Mail, O‘Reilly said: “Lance responded to my accusations that he was a drug cheat by branding me a prostitute and an alcoholic.

    “(In the interview) he said I was one of the people who had been ‘run over‘ and that he owed me an apology, but more crucially he confirmed that my story about a back-dated prescription was true.

    “There was this tightness in my chest that was suddenly released. I don‘t think I‘d even realised, in all these years, that it was there. Only when it left me.

    “He said he had reached out and tried to contact me. I want to speak to him but I‘d rather do it face to face. I‘d like to explain why I told my story in the first place.

    “I‘d like to ask Lance how he could come after me in the way he did when he knew what I was saying was true. He told Oprah he couldn‘t remember suing me, but I don‘t believe that for a second.

    “There is a part of me that does have a bit of sympathy for Lance. I know this will be killing him. But at the same time I think about the way he hid behind the cancer in trying to defend himself. What a piece of work he is.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    the important factor is the lives saved and lives improved by the money taken in over the past 10 years. Prove me wrong
    lives saved? how exactly? they don't contribute funds to cancer curing research. the mission of livestrong is cancer awareness, as if there are still people in the civilized world who don't know that cancer sucks.

    livestrong's CEO stated point blank that "Most organizations are about the disease. They’re about trying to solve a disease, and we are about trying to im*prove the lives of people that are battling the disease.

    livestrong spends HUGE amounts of donated funds on promotion, PR, and branding. money that could, and should, be going to "cancer awareness" and "improving the lives of people".

    lance has used livestrong to promote sympathy for himself and portray himself as a man of honor and integrity in order to deflect cheating/doping/lying allegations; a tactic that clearly works judging by how many people play the "livestrong card" like some sort of ace in the hole when defending him. your post as perfect example.

    lance has incessantly used livestrong to rake in millions upon millions of dollars through speaking and appearance fees and doing rides on behalf of livestrong -- however the money always goes into HIS pocket instead of to the charity.

    lance threatened to use the livestrong database against john kerry in 2008 if obama didn't attend one of his functions. a violation of 501(c)(3), which prohibits tax-exempt organizations from wielding political influence. they should have lost their status after that little stunt, but for some reason didn't.

    i've lost very dear family members to cancer, but i wouldn't give livestrong a single cent. has nothing to do with LA whatsoever -- but rather because they do literally NOTHING to promote research. i already know cancer sucks and i don't need to make lance richer to demonstrate this knowledge -- especially when cancer has been being cured for over a century through holistic methods. query: why doesn't livestrong promote this knowledge???

    hmmmmm........
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    lives saved? how exactly? they don't contribute funds to cancer curing research. the mission of livestrong is cancer awareness, as if there are still people in the civilized world who don't know that cancer sucks.

    livestrong's CEO stated point blank that "Most organizations are about the disease. They’re about trying to solve a disease, and we are about trying to im*prove the lives of people that are battling the disease.

    livestrong spends HUGE amounts of donated funds on promotion, PR, and branding. money that could, and should, be going to "cancer awareness" and "improving the lives of people".

    lance has used livestrong to promote sympathy for himself and portray himself as a man of honor and integrity in order to deflect cheating/doping/lying allegations; a tactic that clearly works judging by how many people play the "livestrong card" like some sort of ace in the hole when defending him. your post as perfect example.

    lance has incessantly used livestrong to rake in millions upon millions of dollars through speaking and appearance fees and doing rides on behalf of livestrong -- however the money always goes into HIS pocket instead of to the charity.

    lance threatened to use the livestrong database against john kerry in 2008 if obama didn't attend one of his functions. a violation of 501(c)(3), which prohibits tax-exempt organizations from wielding political influence. they should have lost their status after that little stunt, but for some reason didn't.

    i've lost very dear family members to cancer, but i wouldn't give livestrong a single cent. has nothing to do with LA whatsoever -- but rather because they do literally NOTHING to promote research. i already know cancer sucks and i don't need to make lance richer to demonstrate this knowledge -- especially when cancer has been being cured for over a century through holistic methods. query: why doesn't livestrong promote this knowledge???

    hmmmmm........
    I agree with most of your post, but this has me questioning your final assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck View Post
    I agree with most of your post, but this has me questioning your final assessment.
    they'd lose millions if they acknowledged it. this statement by the american cancer society on that page is an outright lie: "Available scientific evidence does not support claims that holistic medicine, when used without mainstream or conventional medicine, is effective in treating cancer or any other disease."

    if one is alive 5 years +1 day after diagnosis of cancer they are considered to be cured. the patient can die the next day of cancer, but they are still considered cured. why? because when a diagnosis of cancer is changed to "cured" it will pad statistics which in turn lines the pockets of charities like the ACS as well as doctors and surgical and radiation "cures". no other disease is classified this way... only cancer.

    the ugly truth is that the medical field is not about prevention it's about treatment. there's little to no money in prevention and/or holistic medicine approaches. conversely there's huge amounts of profit in fear mongering, surgical/radiological treatment, and pharmacology. in fact, the AMA was started to quash homeopathy and steer medicine to a treatment/pharmacological based modality as well as giving them legal power to retaliate against those who "stepped outside their box".

    cancer being cured holistically has been very well documented for over 100 years. some good primers would be "the beautiful truth", "forks over knives", and "eating 3.0 (aks R.A.V.E. diet)"
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    I love how you like to try and ad words and twist what I say to try and accomplish what is obviously a personal vendetta against me.

    I never said I was done, I said I was done arguing.
    I suppose though in your feeble little mind if anyone has an opinion that differs from yours, they are arguing.




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    I am sure he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    they'd lose millions if they acknowledged it. this statement by the american cancer society on that page is an outright lie: "Available scientific evidence does not support claims that holistic medicine, when used without mainstream or conventional medicine, is effective in treating cancer or any other disease."

    if one is alive 5 years +1 day after diagnosis of cancer they are considered to be cured. the patient can die the next day of cancer, but they are still considered cured. why? because when a diagnosis of cancer is changed to "cured" it will pad statistics which in turn lines the pockets of charities like the ACS as well as doctors and surgical and radiation "cures". no other disease is classified this way... only cancer.

    the ugly truth is that the medical field is not about prevention it's about treatment. there's little to no money in prevention and/or holistic medicine approaches. conversely there's huge amounts of profit in fear mongering, surgical/radiological treatment, and pharmacology. in fact, the AMA was started to quash homeopathy and steer medicine to a treatment/pharmacological based modality as well as giving them legal power to retaliate against those who "stepped outside their box".

    cancer being cured holistically has been very well documented for over 100 years. some good primers would be "the beautiful truth", "forks over knives", and "eating 3.0 (aks R.A.V.E. diet)"
    Thanks Monogod, you make some great points, and I heartily agree with what you are saying. I think that 'conventional' western medicine does have a lot going for it however, and we would be wise to not write it off. In conjunction with holistic methods, and in conjunction with sympathetic care there is little that cannot be completely cured. Greed and the need to 'perform' in all the wrong ways has led us astray in both the fields of medicine, and in pro sports!
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    Quote Originally Posted by onbelaydave View Post
    "If" the guy did dope during all of those years of TDF wins, with 100's of tests, why didn't he ever turn up positive ??????????????

    There must be collusion on a grand scale between the testing booth and the lab about whose samples are really anonymous, or a provider in the know that is so far ahead of the curve that the enhancers can't be detected even from old samples.

    If he really did dope, and still came out clean on all of those tests, the best thing he could do would be to name the providers.

    In any event, it was a level playing field, he won 7 TDF.
    Doping is predominant in sports and apparently only taken seriously in Cycling, is it because cyclists are so disliked? or is it because Americans smashed the Euros who whined like crazy because they could not cheat as good as our boys (not saying its a good thing but it is what happened).
    Regardless it is there and obviously many fly under the radar sometimes being caught, but more often getting away with it and many are still celebrated.
    Now since we know how Lance was so successful that knowledge is also on the street so it can further be refined, not sure what the anti doping agency thought they would gain from this but they made it even harder to detect and only their gestapo techniques on a select few athletes who compete on a world stage will we ever find out and then it is only "accusations" and hell coerced confessions.
    Really the entire thing is a shame, but I would like to know where is the friggin outrage on the USPS paying tens of millions of dollars for advertisement? Will that make people want to mail more envelopes? what a joke.
    More should also be looked into companies paying athletes bloated some of money meanwhile they operate sweatshops, how friggin shameful, where is the outrage ?

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    ... or is it because Americans smashed the Euros who whined like crazy because they could not cheat as good as our boys
    Yeah, that was it. When it comes to cheating you boys are in a league of your own.

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    Yeah, that was it. When it comes to cheating you boys are in a league of your own.
    Not even close, we learned from the best
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    I'm going to pop in here and just remind everyone that discourse is fine, but name calling and childish behavior will get the thread locked and possibly other actions implemented.

    Play nice.
    I wish you'd stop locking threads, and deal with the problems within the threads ... Locking a thread punishes everyone.

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    Just a suggestion.
    Tell you what, you read through the previous 484 posts and flag the ones that don't meet MTBR guidelines, then go read the Lance thread in general and the Lance thread in OffCamber. For each one that doesn't meet the guidelines you report it and I will delete the offending post. Make sure it meets the guidelines.

    That is why it is easier to close a thread than go through and delete all the response that are over the line and the quotes of that response. Oh and then there are the other 100 report posts I get every 6 hours. Simple for a volunteer because I definitely don't have anything better to do than to make sure that one of multiple threads about Lance Armstrong stays it course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    You have absolutely no idea on what went on, I am having a hard time believing that a person could be so arrogant as yourself. You have no idea about the bullying, lying, frauding, spilling the beans on those who wanted to out him, the cover ups, the corruption and all the other stuff that I can't be bothered to mention. This isnt about drugs, everyone knows he doped on day one. I am guessing you have not watched the world according to lance and/or the oprah interview, if you did you wouldn't spray such ridiculous comments. That's why there is a keen interest behind LA, not because of the doping, but for everything else.
    All this info is out there, but you choose arrogance, amazing!!
    BTW...it was never a level playing field, you are regurgitating false information, which is not cool.
    Spot on. Unfortunately the little brains will never understand what you're getting at...they'll just continue to go on about "it was a level playing field"...completely ignoring the lives/careers/friendships he steam rolled all the while professing to these same little brains that he was clean...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    the important factor is the lives saved and lives improved by the money taken in over the past 10 years. Prove me wrong
    I believe he also commited several felonies along the way (fraud/perjury/etc.)...so with your logic it's okay to rob banks and jack 7/11's as long as you give away the money. How logical...


    And considering his lack on any morals/ethics/hell...feelings...I'm sure he funneled plenty of that money into his own bank account...

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    People racing on bicycles isn't important to me, but I also think the NFL and other professional sports are way overblown in our society, so I know I'm in the minority here. I ride for fun and exercize and sense of community and it is good for my soul and I really don't care what Lance Armstrong did or didn't do. It doesn't matter. If I was a stakeholder in the related issues, maybe I'd feel differently, but I'm not and I don't. Instead, I'm headed out for a ride right now and I can tell you, I won't be thinking about Lance Armstrong or all the handwringing that is going on about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurr View Post
    Doping is predominant in sports and apparently only taken seriously in Cycling, is it because cyclists are so disliked? or is it because Americans smashed the Euros who whined like crazy because they could not cheat as good as our boys (not saying its a good thing but it is what happened).
    i would not even say it the way you said it - like you are proud of "your boys" for outcheating every one else. i guess you could say "your boys" are the best cheaters too.

    i also would not brag about american wins at the tour. the win percentage is ridiculously skewed against americans...

    just sayin'...

    other than that - how is life Blurr? still generally pissed at the government?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am sure he is.

    But when somebody says "unsubscribed" that is usually their dramatic way of saying that is their last post and they won't be back.
    and when you call someone else a retard - you tell so much about yourself. don't you?

    so now that LA admitted - are you ok with dropping your assessment of "he probably did" and replace it with "he definitely did"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sho220 View Post
    I believe he also committed several felonies along the way (fraud/perjury/etc.)...so with your logic it's okay to rob banks and jack 7/11's as long as you give away the money. How logical...


    And considering his lack on any morals/ethics/hell...feelings...I'm sure he funneled plenty of that money into his own bank account...
    Copy, you don't agree that lives were saved and quality of life improved
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    Yeah, that was it. When it comes to cheating you boys are in a league of your own.
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    That's all I'm going to say in this thread. Carry on.
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    the important factor is the lives saved and lives improved by the money taken in over the past 10 years. Prove me wrong
    Lives were saved? Excellent. Point me to examples. This is new information to me. Excited to learn something new.


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    Who the hell is Lance Armstrong? But seriously dude did not become one of the best cycling athletes we have ever seen just from/because of doping it still take massive Training,Dedication and Time. Doping did not make him but did helped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whore View Post
    Who the hell is Lance Armstrong?
    Some Greg LeMond wanna be


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC View Post
    Some Greg LeMond wanna be
    Ahh the '80's..He was the guy who did that thing that one time on that wheely thing right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whore View Post
    Ahh the '80's..He was the guy who did that thing that one time right?
    Yep. That's the guy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC View Post
    Yep. That's the guy.


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    Glad we could clear that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whore View Post
    Who the hell is Lance Armstrong? But seriously dude did not become one of the best cycling athletes we have ever seen just from/because of doping it still take massive Training,Dedication and Time. Doping did not make him but did helped.
    You do realise that LA has been doping his entire career and lying about it for nearly 20 years now. He was never one of the best cycling athletes, far from it. Using the words "one of the best cycling athletes" and "doping" in the same sentence is flat out arrogance, there is no other word for it. If doping helped him out, that means doping made him, otherwise why would you need to dope up? Without dope he is just another rider. He doesn't have what it takes to win without doping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    If doping helped him out, that means doping made him, otherwise why would you need to dope up? Without dope he is just another rider.
    No it doesn't and Since he has been doping for his whole career you do not really know if with out it he is "just another rider" anyhow which i highly doubt.

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