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    God damn roadies are at it again. The way I see it is that everyone doped, that's just what the top level of cycling does. Are there riders that don't? Sure, but will they ever win? No. If you want a chance to win, you do bad things and he won the TDF 7 times. That in itself is just amazing. LA was the most tryhard of the tryhards.

    The thing that bothers me most is that he chose Oprah as the venue for his confession. But I will laugh my ass off if all the audience members receive free bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourtyounce View Post
    Are there riders that don't?
    Sure, wiggins and evans to name a couple.


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    Sure, but will they ever win? No..
    Erm...actually both of them won, Wiggins won last year, Evans the year before. They proved you don't need to do bad things to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Sure, wiggins and evans to name a couple.




    Erm...actually both of them won, Wiggins won last year, Evans the year before. They proved you don't need to do bad things to win.
    They have not done bad things that we know of.

    However, who knows what we will discover 7 years from now.

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    I guarantee you that Wiggins and Evans are doing something. If, in your job, someone, who is not as gifted as you was taking a substance that made them better and took away from your pocket book, what would you do? I am not a Lance lover at all. I always knew he was doping. Probably 75 to 85% of all professional athletes are taking something. These people have about a 10 to 15 year window to maximize their earning potential. As far as Tyler Hamilton and any other of his teammates who ratted on Lance, well. They say they were told they had to dope. Well, they could've said, then, we won't ride on your team. Of course as they went down the line of the top teams they would've been saying no a lot. If they had ridden for a clean team, no placing, no exposure, and not as much $$$$. What a bunch of ingrates. Sometimes there has to be honor among theives. I don't think most of the world gives a rat's ass who doped. If you think that people are winning and riding clean in the Tour, then you are living in a polyanna existence. We love to watch people ride and run faster and faster. Well, this is how the best do it to be able to hang with all the others who are doing it. I say let them do anything they want. It's their body and their choice.
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    No, A serial liar is not to be forgiven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I already forgot....not because I do or don't believe that Lance is truly sorry but because I honestly believe the entire peloton of 'Tour de France' level professional road racers(minus maybe 5% tops) is guilty of doping or cheating in some way, manner or form. If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing? It means they suck and are essentially worthless.
    Yes I believe I'll look in the newspaper and find some havoc committed here, do it myself, then when the police arrive, I'll just tell them hey other people are doing it and all will be forgiven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    The sharks smell blood and they will attack.
    The first sharks to the meal are the only ones that will be able to get a piece.
    Can't he have donated all his possessions, just waiting for every possible lawsuit, and when all the sentences are in, to declare personal bankruptcy and let debts become someone else's problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am sure many other lawsuits will follow.
    The sharks smell blood and they will attack.
    The first sharks to the meal are the only ones that will be able to get a piece.
    All the estimates of his wealth are at least 100 million. All estimates of his total liabilities from the confession are sub 20 million, and zero jail time. He is fine, and will likely just start writing checks to keep the 'cost' part of the total bill to a minimum. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he pays less than 10 million, inclusive of costs.

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    Why do I need to forgive Lance? What did he do to me? Let's see, got me interested in Road Cycling, popularized road racing, more TV time for me to view, which I enjoy.

    Sure he's quite a cheat and prick, but I don't see him starting a war where thousands and thousands of lifes are lost, or causing some huge enviro disaster, or bailing out the rich with fed money.... It's amazing how there is so much hate towards Lance. Sure, if I was Lemond, Betsy Andreu, or Emma O'rielly I'd hate his guts out.
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    OK, so now we know Lance is guilty, can we forgive and forget?

    Ask all the people he and his lawyers intimidated, sued, disparaged and generally screwed over the years for saying anything that was contrary to the big lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    I see no reason to forgive ... But given enough time, I hope everyone forgets his name as anything more than a bad joke played upon the sporting World.[/COLOR][/B]
    Don't hold your breath. This fits one of the oldest, most popular myths in the world - the flawed, fallen hero. Lance as Achilles.

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    I hear he's taking down the UCI and US Postal as co-conspirators.

    No mention of other sponsors or sanctioning bodies going down with him yet.

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    Good, I hope anyone and everyone involved in this fraud does time behind bars.
    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    I hope he throws everyone under a bus. starting with the UCI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I already forgot....not because I do or don't believe that Lance is truly sorry but because I honestly believe the entire peloton of 'Tour de France' level professional road racers(minus maybe 5% tops) is guilty of doping or cheating in some way, manner or form. If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing? It means they suck and are essentially worthless.
    +1 on this. I would like to know how many other people are/were doping. I suspect a lot of politics on this issue.

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    Hard to forgive or forget when I never gave a sh!t either way to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitek View Post
    I'm waiting to see how many of the people he trampled, sue his lying ass.
    I've been very surprised to hear of the things he did to some of those poor folks that were merely telling the truth.

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    Lance will have a mixed legacy but yeah, pro-cycling was a joke for so long. Everyone knew everyone was doping and no one stopped it. Riders are slower now, so maybe things are being cleaned up.

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    Everyone doped. He was the best of all the other cyclist/dopers. He's a person. He entertains me as a cyclist and endurance athlete. I don't know him. Doubt he cares any more than I do if I "forgive" him or not.
    I don't know Berry Bonds. He doped. So did most others. He hit a lot of home runs. It was fun to watch. He got caught. He's an avid cyclist now I hear.
    My point is stop getting so caught up in other peoples lives. Yeah, it's interesting, watch Oprah tonight, talk about it at work tomorrow then go ride your bike. If Lance passes me on a trail here in Texas someday I'll try to catch up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I already forgot....not because I do or don't believe that Lance is truly sorry but because I honestly believe the entire peloton of 'Tour de France' level professional road racers(minus maybe 5% tops) is guilty of doping or cheating in some way, manner or form. If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing? It means they suck and are essentially worthless.
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    Road cycling is a dopers paradise. The nature of the sport is just too enticing to cheat at. It is bad for your health to be all angry though so quit punishing yourself with your anger

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    Smile

    never forget and L. A. does not deserve forgiveness. and the French press were right about him, all along...

    geed and dishonesty personified.
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    Armstrong stripped of Olympic bronze medal

    Thirteen years after he stood on the podium in Sydney, Lance Armstrong was stripped of his bronze medal from the 2000 Olympics because of doping.

    The International Olympic Committee sent a letter to Armstrong on Wednesday night asking him to return the medal, just as it said it planned to do last month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskare View Post
    All the estimates of his wealth are at least 100 million. All estimates of his total liabilities from the confession are sub 20 million, and zero jail time. He is fine, and will likely just start writing checks to keep the 'cost' part of the total bill to a minimum. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he pays less than 10 million, inclusive of costs.
    Even if he was taken down to $0 dollars, he would come out wealthy after book and movie deals.

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    He doped. Anyone who has followed cycling knows that there has been credible allegations about LA doping for nearly 16 years. 16 years.

    I am bummed and too would like to think these guys are superheroes during their races, but we all know that to be competitive and perhaps just hang on for dear life at the back of the peleton you had to be doped to the gills.

    *Please don't respond with a name of some rider you think was clean now...thanks.

    For me, it is much much bigger than the doping issue with LA. If he had not been so mean to so many people for so long, this whole situation would not be what it is for him today. He stepped on the toes of some powerful people (Ex. John Kerry).

    This was destined to happen sooner or later.....it is payback I believe.... not so much about the doping.

    He has a lot of apologizing to do to the folks he tried to ruin along the way. No need to apologize to us current and past "fans". If we idolized him that much, it was on us to educate ourselves about him as a person. Read the books etc..

    Well, maybe he should apologize to any small children that were fans...

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    I can forgive...we are human.

    I do feel sorry for all the millions of individuals who were inspired and believed that anything is possible. So, all i can say is, he survived cancer and completed one of the most difficult road races in the world. Running a marathon is not about winning, just completing is considered a win.

    Even if one was to disregard his wins. One would still have to admire his efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moto Rider View Post
    I can forgive...we are human.

    I do feel sorry for all the millions of individuals who were inspired and believed that anything is possible. So, all i can say is, he survived cancer and completed one of the most difficult road races in the world. Running a marathon is not about winning, just completing is considered a win.

    Even if one was to disregard his wins. One would still have to admire his efforts.
    True. Also, an egocentric mean spirited person doped with the best dope and surrounded by the best pro team who "won" the TdF 7 times is absolutely nearly impossible and still mind blowing. It really is imo.

    Pretty impressive even with all the variables thrown in. I am under the impression that most honest international pros will tell you there is NO way they could have done that also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Good, I hope anyone and everyone involved in this fraud does time behind bars.
    Ned Overend agrees:

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    NO.
    I am sorry, he earned the PRIVILEGE to compete in any and every event and as I do admire his gifted abilities to compete at a level that is nothing short of miraculous, he is also a liar, the equivalent of an extortionist and a downright rude SOB. He used his gift and hard work to deceive (and earn) millions and then went on to literally destroy reputations of people telling the TRUTH of his actions. I don't care what he did for Charities either, it is all soiled monies, I know a lot of great things came out of the Livestrong foundation but as Spiritual beings we are, call it Karma call it what you will, a price to be paid will come. God bless us, I am at this moment ashamed that I ever and did believe in this and other athletic so called Heroes. When will society and athletes included learn that integrity will ALWAYS prevail.
    This is just my personal opinion.
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    What?

    Who's Lance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkon11 View Post
    It's threads like these that make me want to leave MTBR forever. Good job you ****faces.
    ...and who held a gun to your head and forced you to read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    I hope he throws everyone under a bus. starting with the UCI.
    Not like he isn't well practiced.


    If he goes out and makes right to the various people who's lives he made it a personal mission to damage (or at least tries), I could think about forgiving him for it all then.

    Buy them houses, gives them a nice healthy chunk of cash (at least equal to lost earnings + legal fees from his hatchets jobs) and publicly admits exactly what he did to them. I think any remorse he's feeling now is for getting caught, people like that are always in the right in their own head, whatever the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkon11 View Post
    It's threads like these that make me want to leave MTBR forever. Good job you ****faces.



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    He is a d-bag in my book. I just converted my Live Strong shirt to a bike rag.
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    Deep down I was hoping he was clean. I knew he wasn't or any of the folks at the top for that matter but still hoped for it nonetheless. Never really a huge fan but I often thought with respect to Livestrong, "there's a guy who gives hope to a lot of folks, good on ya". I knew it all along but still feel a bit let down. Not for my sake but let's face it, cycling isn't really that popular in the US and this is a real kick in the nuts for a sport most folks view as snobby and elitist in the first place. Better get to work on the "I'm not Lance Armstrong" graphic jersey to wear on my road rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    True. Also, an egocentric mean spirited person doped with the best dope and surrounded by the best pro team who "won" the TdF 7 times is absolutely nearly impossible and still mind blowing. It really is imo.

    Pretty impressive even with all the variables thrown in. I am under the impression that most honest international pros will tell you there is NO way they could have done that also.

    Yup, he out doped the dopers, 7 times. It is VERY impressive.

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    This sucks, Lance is not naming names...
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    who is worse lance or pete rose?

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    International Olympic Committee has stated that if the UCI is implicated by Armstrong's admissions (and further court hearings), they will ban all cycling (MTB included) from all Olympic events for a period of at least 8 years. That means if you are a clean young kid (lets say 16 years old today), and you have the ambition to ride in the Olympics (MTB or Road), you might not be able to do so.

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    nevermind... I'm taking this post to OC...

    Should have looked there first
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    Oprah interview Lance, what are your thoughts.

    I thought he felt like he had a huge weight taken off. I will not forget ever but I may forgive some time. He should never return to any form of competition though. He probably should also make some kind of financial penance if he does really seek remorse.

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    He's like a kid stuck with a stash of porn mags and his shorts down around his ankles trying to back peddle n tread water best he can.

    It won't be enough to satisfy WADA or USADA of course.

    I still think Lance was a terrific athlete; just his success went to his head. I think but for all of the strongest humans, we get away with what we can. Bad part is he trashed so many in doing so.

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    I agree with you. However I bet you he feels so much better after this confession of sorts. It is not going to be good for him nor do I want it to be but I believe he feels a million times better than he did last week, He should get no quarter . His spirit will, however be reborn.

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    Try caring about him as much as he does you, you won't be bothered from that point onward.
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    Who is this? Oh wait, don't care...
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    He did what most everyone else was doing---who cares its like everyone else in life anymore whats 5 mph over the speed limit so long as i don't get caught, so i took some parts from work home to use so what, i only cheated with your sister once!, better yet Bill Clinton not having sex when he left a deposit on monica's dress
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    Human nature is fascinating. I think poorly of him but it will be interesting to watch how it pans out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySlowRdr View Post
    I still think Lance was a terrific athlete; just his success went to his head. I think but for all of the strongest humans, we get away with what we can. Bad part is he trashed so many in doing so.
    How do we know he was a terrific athlete because he was doping. He's a disgrace and no amount of softball interviews will change that fact. He had me fooled. It seemed that the cyclists who doped got caught in a year or two but Lance strung this lie for a very long time. I hope all cycling federations uphold their punishment just like Pete Rose.

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    Haven't seen it yet - has he dumped on the team manager and doctor and UCI and the testing agencies?

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    Not at all . I thought the two big lies of the interview were of him senying the Christian Van De Velde accusation and the Hey the UCI did not make a deal with me (pay off 2001) oh and the Betsy Andreu story. SCA lawsuit . oh that is three. He simply avoided the team director and owners issue by saying he would only talk about himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petersbike View Post
    Not at all . I thought the two big lies of the interview were of him senying the Christian Van De Velde accusation and the Hey the UCI did not make a deal with me (pay off 2001) oh and the Betsy Andreu story. SCA lawsuit . oh that is three. He simply avoided the team director and owners issue by saying he would only talk about himself.
    D you thinks that suggests there is still something going on between LA and the UCI?

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    I don't know and rightly could be worng about the whole thing. From the information that is out there that I have read I feel he made some deal with the UCI.
    Tothe other guy who says that we have all gone 5mph over the speed limit ; Sorry I am not going to rationalize his incorrect behavior. When you get caught doing 5 mph over you suck it up. Now Lance must suck it up. I honestly believe he will be better off regardless of how this affects his finances and status. Lies and secrets revealed are liberating.

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    Confession is only liberating if there's real remorse attached to it. Lance is only sorry he got caught.....not sorry he cheated, lied, bullied, etc. He even said as much in the interview. "If I hadn't come back after retiring we wouldn't be sitting here."

    I mean he did flat out admit most of the things he did..... but he never would've done that had he not been caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Confession is only liberating if there's real remorse attached to it. Lance is only sorry he got caught.....not sorry he cheated, lied, bullied, etc. He even said as much in the interview. "If I hadn't come back after retiring we wouldn't be sitting here."

    I mean he did flat out admit most of the things he did..... but he never would've done that had he not been caught.
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    I wanna hear from all his fanbois out there....I started thinking something was fishy in 2003. Man, if you brought up Lance and doping back then you'd have a ton of people coming down on you. I can't tell you how many times people would actually get angry with me for suggesting it.

    It all just didn't add up. He progressively got more and more dominant as each year went by. That didn't make sense. And all the while all the lemmings out there were defending him citing "heart", "determination", and "hard work".

    What do all you lunkheads think now?

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    oprah winfrey, people. american tabloid television at its finest.

    i dunno, to me something doesn't quite smell right about this.

    however, that's just my (humble) opinion and everyone has a right to their own opinion.

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    He was a dumb ass. Like everybody else in his time. They were all doing it. Or they all knew to win you had too. It was the culture of the time, probably still is, but the Lords of that sport knew it and know it. They are worse than him. They pretend it is a clean sport. No...Stupid political crap.

    Lance still won them all, as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyxaos View Post
    He was a dumb ass. Like everybody else in his time. They were all doing it. Or they all knew to win you had too. It was the culture of the time, probably still is, but the Lords of that sport knew it and know it. They are worse than him. They pretend it is a clean sport. No...Stupid political crap.

    Lance still won them all, as far as I'm concerned.

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    Agreed. They were all juicing so it was a level playing field and he still won 7 times. Stripping him of the titles is pointless. Does it go to the next cheat that was never caught?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi_GR_Biker View Post
    Agreed. They were all juicing so it was a level playing field and he still won 7 times. Stripping him of the titles is pointless. Does it go to the next cheat that was never caught?
    You have no idea. Really. Not all teams were injecting junk. Not all teams were pressuring their riders to inject. Do you know any athletes who are 15 years old? Do you want them to start injecting roids so they can win whatever game they are playing?
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    Ok I keep reading "He was still the best, because he beat all the other cheaters"


    NO.

    This is wrong. It is not correct. As in, false.

    By cheating, even if everyone cheated, the competition was no longer valid. There can only be a winner if there is a level playing field, and the competitors abide by the rules. If half, 3/4, 90% or all of the competitors cheat, you can not determine who is the real winner. Who cheated how much? What was real, what wasn't? The statement that LA would have beat all of them on a level playing field is 100% speculation. It can not be proven anymore than the statement that any of the other guys like Cadel Evans, Pantani, Ulrich or some guy who never made the top 50 would have beaten all the others. It is absolutely impossible to tell if LA truly would have been a superior rider, or if he was just fairly talented, but cheated more ruthlessly than the others.
    And please don't gimme that "he has superior willpower, he was the hardest training athlete" crap.
    Doping affects the psychological side of the competition, knowing that the doctors have given you superhuman strength is guaranteed to boost your morale when you are chasing someone up Alpe D'Huez, or completing another gruelling training ride. Even if its just the believe that you have the better doctors. There are plenty of people out there that should be admired for true, honest willpower that isn't boosted by injections. Just maybe not in the pro circuit.

    That is what it comes down to. Better doctors, and better, more ruthless methods of beating the system. No winner, and no "if"s and "but"s.
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    And the guy who ran GE for 20 years had fake accounting which made him too a hero although the day he left the business recorded huge writedowns and losses on the (easiest place to cheat) insurance division. Years of painful accountability followed. This is the way America loves it : Heroes and villians.....they sell well. What idiot doesn't think doping is still going on in both professional and top level amateur cycling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi_GR_Biker View Post
    Agreed. They were all juicing so it was a level playing field and he still won 7 times. Stripping him of the titles is pointless. Does it go to the next cheat that was never caught?
    Not all of them were doping, what about Christophe Bassons? One of the (admittedly few) riders who refused drugs and was absolutely pilloried for it by a lot of other riders, including Lance. If you don't believe me, read this - Christophe Bassons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    What chance did he ever have of winning? Why not give him the win?

    I have always hated the "they were all on the juice, so it still counts for something" argument, it does nothing for the credibilty of cycling.
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    My thoughts?

    It wouldn't have been anywhere near as big a deal if he hadn't had a legion of fawning, arse-licking fanboi's repeating his every lie and excusing his cheating and bullying. And they're still doing it.

    The craven, moral pygmies created such a backlash of revulsion toward the man, from people who'd normally not give a damn, that they all but guaranteed his downfall and that the retribution would be severe.

    So all of you "they were all at it" and "tested clean 500 times" and "just jealous losers" merchants, give yourselves a big pat on the back. You didn't cause this but you sure helped make it worse.

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    Watched some of the interview and it has reinforced my opinion that he is just a lying, cheating, arrogant and remorseless SOB. Oprah is just as moronic as ever to allow this, but it does not surprise me, she has built her empire on this fawning BS that she does so well, even when she is interviewing a self-confessed cheating D'bag of the first order. He really should go to prison for a long time for what he has done.


    I just reread this thinking it might be a bit strong, but then realised that I still feel the same way. If he had shown an ounce of contrition I might have softened my opinion...
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    Saw some of the interview and he showed no remorse. He is an arrogant a'hole who deserves zero respect and zero forgiveness. Had he shown an ounce of contrition he might have caused me to think twice about saying this, but until he does, I feel the same. The only good he has done in my book is to throw light on this whole issue, an unintended result of course! I only hope the repercussions are deep and far-ranging, and the dishonesty in this sport, and possibly in all sports, is thoroughly investigated and hopefully rooted out. Lance should go to prison, he has committed some pretty serious fraud I believe.
    To those people who ask why get our panties in a wad over this, he's only a cyclist, I say that he has affected many people, and to ignore him is to condone his behavior.
    To those people who say that he is still a great athlete because he was the best of a bad bunch, I call complete BS on that. He is a remorseless cheat and has shattered the dreams of many good people.
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    Saw some of the interview ......Off with his head!
    Something you and I can agree on.

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    Something you and I can agree on.
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    Watched the whole painful interview. An arrogant asshat interviewed by an arrogant asshat. I thought the statement Oprah made about fame and its effects on personality - jerks become bigger jerk, humanitarians become bigger humanitarians. I kinda thought she was aluding that she was the bigger of the two... I mean, she has a magazine that features her on every cover.

    I can't deny that I was duped. I always wanted to believe that he was clean - I always knew he wasn't. I can't deny the good he has done with the Livestrong foundation. He has inspired many. I have always thought he was a jerk, but I likened him to Micheal Jordon or Tiger Woods. That type of person - they have tremendous focus, but they lose touch with reality.

    I wish they would have had someone help Oprah with the interview. She knows absolutely nothing about the sport or the people in it. I'm curious to she what she does in the second half of her show. Want to hear more from George Hincappe. I want to hear more about his comeback and Alberto Contador.

    Did he dope for the Leadville 100 ?

    At the end of it all, Lance is an asshat, but he has raised millions and millions for cancer research and will continue to do that. For that, I'll give him somewhat of a pass. I won't throw away my Livestrong bands because that doesn't mean "Lance Armstrong" to me.

    He rode the bike. That asshat can ride.

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    "He rode the bike. That asshat can ride." Oh wait, he can ride when he's doped! He committed perjury, felony fraud, and his actions will effect the lives of many young cycling athletes who dreamed of a bike-riding career. Those young athletes will be denied. The International Olympic Committee said it will not allow cycling (Road or MTB) in future games if the UCI was complicit in his actions (they were). His sponsors will claw back all of his wages; he will lose all of his winnings; he will not have much, if any assets remaining after all of this. The only good thing that came from any of this is the Live Strong Foundation. That entity will continue to do good things.

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    The light air in the room, and the laughter made it obvious why he selected a talkshow host and not a news reporter to conduct the interview...I think he's only making things worse for himself...if that's even possible.

    One comment that really burns me...he couldn't remember whether or not he sued Emma O'reilly because he had sued so many people. Yet another slap in the face....

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    the phone call

    lance: Hi oprah, ths is lance
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    O: sure, can i ask all the hard questions?
    L: sure, but i will write the script
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    O: ok, but we have to at least make it look good
    L: right, and it has to look sincere too
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    does anybody have a screen cap of his face after she rolled the tape of his testimony saying that Michele Ferrari was a clean doctor. that was priceless

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    Here's a question. Would you guys go on a ride with him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    oprah winfrey, people. american tabloid television at its finest.

    i dunno, to me something doesn't quite smell right about this.

    however, that's just my (humble) opinion and everyone has a right to their own opinion.
    100% agree, was never really a big Armstrong fan but something really doesn't add about all of this, there is definitely more than meets the eye and a hell of a lot more sh*t waiting to hit the fan. What really sticks out is that other cyclists like George Hincapie that testified against Lance and admitted to doping only received a 6 month ban apposed to Lance's lifetime ban. But meh, I don't think I really care, people are getting far too worked up over all of this, especially the morons who think Armstrong should get a jail sentence.
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    Fat joke in front of Oprah

    I loved the look on her face when Lance made a fat joke, something like "at least I didn't call her fat".
    I want her to ask "what did Trek know?", "what did the sponsors know?". Lots of people made money off of Lance's success, I suspect that made it easier to get away with it for all these years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Confession is only liberating if there's real remorse attached to it. Lance is only sorry he got caught.....not sorry he cheated, lied, bullied, etc. He even said as much in the interview. "If I hadn't come back after retiring we wouldn't be sitting here."

    I mean he did flat out admit most of the things he did..... but he never would've done that had he not been caught.
    Seemed to me the "confession" was more about him than any genuine intent or remorse to make things right.

    "Yes, I doped, but...."
    "Yes, I did that, but...."
    "Yes, I said that, but...."

    There was an attempt to justify or at least minimize it all and none of it was his fault. It was the culture. Dope in your blood was like air in your tires... you had to have it to ride. None of it was his fault or anything he could have done anything about or change.

    No, it seemed to me to be more spin than anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi_GR_Biker View Post
    Agreed. They were all juicing so it was a level playing field and he still won 7 times. Stripping him of the titles is pointless. Does it go to the next cheat that was never caught?
    I've heard so many people say that and I wonder if it's a true statement. Dope will have different effects on people - more on some, less on others - so is it really level? Is this an argument with any merit whatsoever? I don't think it is.

    To answer your question about the titles, they're just leaving them open; no one won the Tour during those years.

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    I truly believe that because of Lance's story of achievement - near defeat - comeback; it generated soooo much media attention and MONEY through the years that the cycling community turned a blind eye. He was too big to fail. They could've took him down anytime they wanted to. Just think of all the people who got caught cheating while Lance just kept on riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieGriff View Post
    100% agree, was never really a big Armstrong fan but something really doesn't add about all of this, there is definitely more than meets the eye and a hell of a lot more sh*t waiting to hit the fan. What really sits out as well is that none of the other cyclists like George Hincapie that testified against Lance and admitted to doping only received a 6 month ban apposed to Lance's lifetime ban. But meh, I don't think I really care, people are getting far too worked up over all of this, especially the morons who think Armstrong should get a jail sentence.
    You know perjury and fraud are felony offenses with minimum jail or prison sentences, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millfox View Post
    Here's a question. Would you guys go on a ride with him?
    I'd love to................and throw a tire pump in his spokes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lelebebbel View Post
    Ok I keep reading "He was still the best, because he beat all the other cheaters"


    NO.

    This is wrong. It is not correct. As in, false.

    By cheating, even if everyone cheated, the competition was no longer valid. There can only be a winner if there is a level playing field, and the competitors abide by the rules. If half, 3/4, 90% or all of the competitors cheat, you can not determine who is the real winner. Who cheated how much? What was real, what wasn't? The statement that LA would have beat all of them on a level playing field is 100% speculation. It can not be proven anymore than the statement that any of the other guys like Cadel Evans, Pantani, Ulrich or some guy who never made the top 50 would have beaten all the others. It is absolutely impossible to tell if LA truly would have been a superior rider, or if he was just fairly talented, but cheated more ruthlessly than the others.
    And please don't gimme that "he has superior willpower, he was the hardest training athlete" crap.
    Doping affects the psychological side of the competition, knowing that the doctors have given you superhuman strength is guaranteed to boost your morale when you are chasing someone up Alpe D'Huez, or completing another gruelling training ride. Even if its just the believe that you have the better doctors. There are plenty of people out there that should be admired for true, honest willpower that isn't boosted by injections. Just maybe not in the pro circuit.

    That is what it comes down to. Better doctors, and better, more ruthless methods of beating the system. No winner, and no "if"s and "but"s.
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    I'm guessing that Oprah will somehow get the interview to end with the focus on the Livestrong foundation. Their donations will keep coming. They will continue to do good. For the time being, it will be without Lance. He will be back with Livestrong at some point. He can and will do good there. More than we will ever know.


    Sucks for cycling. He didn't invent doping. I actually believe that he believes that EPO etc comes along with the game - air in the tires, water in the bottle. He's delusional at best. Almost feel sorry for him....almost. Once an asshat, always an asshat. He is a sociopath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lelebebbel View Post
    Ok I keep reading "He was still the best, because he beat all the other cheaters"


    NO.

    This is wrong. It is not correct. As in, false.

    By cheating, even if everyone cheated, the competition was no longer valid. There can only be a winner if there is a level playing field, and the competitors abide by the rules. If half, 3/4, 90% or all of the competitors cheat, you can not determine who is the real winner. Who cheated how much? What was real, what wasn't? The statement that LA would have beat all of them on a level playing field is 100% speculation. It can not be proven anymore than the statement that any of the other guys like Cadel Evans, Pantani, Ulrich or some guy who never made the top 50 would have beaten all the others. It is absolutely impossible to tell if LA truly would have been a superior rider, or if he was just fairly talented, but cheated more ruthlessly than the others.
    And please don't gimme that "he has superior willpower, he was the hardest training athlete" crap.
    Doping affects the psychological side of the competition, knowing that the doctors have given you superhuman strength is guaranteed to boost your morale when you are chasing someone up Alpe D'Huez, or completing another gruelling training ride. Even if its just the believe that you have the better doctors. There are plenty of people out there that should be admired for true, honest willpower that isn't boosted by injections. Just maybe not in the pro circuit.

    That is what it comes down to. Better doctors, and better, more ruthless methods of beating the system. No winner, and no "if"s and "but"s.
    YES. Very well said.

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    The whole thing's freakin' sad. I really looked up to the guy, only to discover that he is, as previously mentioned, an epic asshat. One of the last century's greatest liars. I think his fall has only begun. Many lawsuits & possible perjury charges to follow. Marion Grace did 6 months for perjuring herself to the feds, Lance could be looking at the same thing.

    While I question the decision to bar him from competition - who is the federal government to dictate who can and cannot ride their bike in a race?? - I ultimately think he deserves it. He's revealed himself to be a sociopathic liar. Who's to say that he'll stop doping? He's shown that he's very skillful at avoiding detection as well. He bought the ticket for this trip, let the asshat take it.
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    My answer to the OP's question: Not anytime soon. MF'r needs to CURE cancer or something. Then maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-Mac View Post
    The whole thing's freakin' sad. I really looked up to the guy, only to discover that he is, as previously mentioned, an epic asshat. One of the last century's greatest liars. I think his fall has only begun. Many lawsuits & possible perjury charges to follow. Marion Grace did 6 months for perjuring herself to the feds, Lance could be looking at the same thing.

    While I question the decision to bar him from competition - who is the federal government to dictate who can and cannot ride their bike in a race?? - I ultimately think he deserves it. He's revealed himself to be a sociopathic liar. Who's to say that he'll stop doping? He's shown that he's very skillful at avoiding detection as well. He bought the ticket for this trip, let the asshat take it.
    He subscribed to the rules of USADA and the UCI to race bicycles. There for he must abide by the ban placed upon him. Lifetime ban good.

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    Didn't read many posts but are there people out there that actually care that he doped? There's more important things going on than whether or not someone doped, especially in the cycling world where doping is prominent at the highest level.

    I take issue with the fact that he financially and professionally ruined people he was once close to because they were telling the truth.

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    I'm not sure what some of you were expecting from the interview (harakiri perhaps?), but I didn't hear one excuse for what he did and just admitted it.

    Yes, he said for him dope in his blood was like air in your tires, but he was talking about himself, not the Tour. He even said the excuse that everyone else was doing it isn't an excuse and everyone wasn't doing it. This is all on me. I was the team captain, I should have lead by example and I was a bad example. He even called himself a cheating bullying prick (or something like that).

    He might end up in jail. He might end up bankrupt. Does he deserve it? Yes.

    But I think the best thing he can do now is devote his life to charity work. He'll save more lives than most of us combined on this forum ever will. That's not an excuse for a pass, but at least he's done some good with what he cheated to get. There are so many cheats and lairs in this world that have done similar (whether in sport, businesses or politics) and have done it all for themselves.

    The question is will he be greedy and do nothing, or will he use his fame to do something good with it? Hopefully the latter, but we shall see.....

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    Question for those who follow road racing Closely. Please, in your honest opinion, name the last rider to win the TDF Clean, no PEDs.

    I would like to think Cadel won clean, but he met with Lance's doping doctor Ferrari in 2000, he does seem to suffer much more than the rest of the GC leaders, still doubtful.

    I have to go back to 1990, Greg Lemond.

    Edit: 2008 Carlos Sastre, seems quite clean.
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    After seeing his Oprah interview, I have no more doubts about LA being a compulsive liar who deserves to pay for the damages he has inflicted. Hit him hard, send out the right message, clean up the mess for a better future.

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