• 01-11-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    right now - dope is illegal. it will never be made legal and free for all.

    Riding above 15mph in local parks is illegal. Yes, even on a wide open fireroad.

    There are hundreds of substances on the banned list for athletes that are perfectly legal, useful and not dangerous.

    Heck, what is illegal about filling yourself up with your own frigging blood?

    What Lance violated are the rules of the game. And they could not even catch him properly in all those years. Excuse me for not giving a damn about some silly games.
  • 01-11-2013
    monogod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    they could not even catch him properly in all those years

    except for all the times during those years when they did catch him with dirty tests. you know, like the time he tested dirty and bribed the UCI to make it go away?
  • 01-11-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Word.

    Spectator sports are no fun.

    Amen


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    Lance, if you're out there, come to Colorado. Its legal here now, we don't care. You can sell off what you have left to pay for any of your legal crap. Hit me up, I'll buy you a beer. Dopers are all over the place around here... darn weed is everywhere!

    Word!

    Other than a little alky-hol I don't do any other drugs (legal or illegal).
    That being said, there are a lot of things that are illegal to do to your own body that should not be illegal. Many are less harmful than the alcohol I drink.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post

    There are hundreds of substances on the banned list for athletes that are perfectly legal, useful and not dangerous.

    Heck, what is illegal about filling yourself up with your own frigging blood?

    What Lance violated are the rules of the game. And they could not even catch him properly in all those years. Excuse me for not giving a damn about some silly games.

    Amen to that brotha!

    Seriously, way too many people seem to be taking this way to seriously even though it has absolutely no effect on their life other than the effect they are letting it have.

    If you were in the TDF and not doping then maybe you deserve an apology even though if Lance was not doping, you sill would not have beaten him. :p
  • 01-11-2013
    monogod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    If you were in the TDF and not doping then maybe you deserve an apology even though if Lance was not doping, you sill would not have beaten him. :p

    remind us again how many tours LA won (or for that matter even finished) before he started doping?
  • 01-11-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    remind us again how many tours LA won (or for that matter even finished) before he started doping?

    Remind us, who was on a major tour podium in the last fifteen years and definitely, absolutely did not dope and would stood up for targeted non-analytical scrutiny like USADA's?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Seriously, way too many people seem to be taking this way to seriously even though it has absolutely no effect on their life other than the effect they are letting it have.

    I listen to radio on my way to work - it is flooded with ads for testosterone prescriptions for "feeling tired" and "natural effects of male aging".

    I bet a whole lot of those commercial customers are seething with righteous rage against "dopers".
  • 01-11-2013
    kjlued
    ^^^^ Amen on both
  • 01-11-2013
    monogod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued
    If you were in the TDF and not doping then maybe you deserve an apology even though if Lance was not doping, you sill would not have beaten him.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by monogod
    remind us again how many tours LA won (or for that matter even finished) before he started doping?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe
    Remind us, who was on a major tour podium in the last fifteen years and definitely, absolutely did not dope and would stood up for targeted non-analytical scrutiny like USADA's?



    total red herring since my position is not that everyone on the podium in the last 15 years other than lance was clean.

    my request to Axe was made in response to his claim that lance was a podium level TDF racer before he started doping when in fact he was nothing but a pack filler who never even finished.
  • 01-11-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Remind us, who was on a major tour podium in the last fifteen years and definitely, absolutely did not dope and would stood up for targeted non-analytical scrutiny like USADA's?



    I listen to radio on my way to work - it is flooded with ads for testosterone prescriptions for "feeling tired" and "natural effects of male aging".

    I bet a whole lot of those commercial customers are seething with righteous rage against "dopers".

    How about Bradley Wiggins? Or Chris Froome?

    Axe - if someone is using testosterone supplement to feel less tired or just to provide his partner with some excitement - is a different ball game compared with someone who uses it to gain competitive advantage over his opponents - despite it is a banned performance drug.

    Really - what are you trying to do? Defend Lance because everyone else doped?

    C'mon man. Sure, if everyone else doped - get them all as well. And they did, for the most part. No one was exempt. How was this "targeted" witch hunt? Most everyone else was caught and stripped off their medals. Lance was one of the last...

    I can't believe anyone can defend Lance... for any reason...
  • 01-11-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Riding above 15mph in local parks is illegal. Yes, even on a wide open fireroad.

    There are hundreds of substances on the banned list for athletes that are perfectly legal, useful and not dangerous.

    Heck, what is illegal about filling yourself up with your own frigging blood?

    What Lance violated are the rules of the game. And they could not even catch him properly in all those years. Excuse me for not giving a damn about some silly games.

    Sorry man, your statement is pretty oblivious in my opinion. "They could not even catch him properly"???? What the hell does that mean? They caught him improperly?

    What is illegal about filling yourself up with your own blood? Geez...

    It is illegal man, as defined by those that know what they are doing and accepted by Lance when he obtained his racing license through USA cycling. If he didn't like this rule - he should not have accepted it. But he accepted it and then violated it hoping that he would not get caught... Well, he got caught. Yep, he violated rules of the game. Penalty is pretty obvious.
  • 01-11-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    total red herring since my position is not that everyone on the podium in the last 15 years other than lance was clean.

    my request to Axe was made in response to his claim that lance was a podium level TDF racer before he started doping when in fact he was nothing but a pack filler who never even finished.

    Total red herring since Axe's position was not........awe fvck it, we could go round and round with this one.:rolleyes:

    Ok, assuming Lance was doping (which he most likely was yet we still have no real proof so we will assume he was)

    If you were clean but not even on the podium for several years because all the guys that were on the podium were on doped up and the only way you could beat them and make a name for yourself was to play the same game, would you

    a) Dope the fvck up and hope not to get caught
    b) Stay clean and just fade away like all the others that stayed clean.


    Don't hate the player, hate the game.

    Don't be pissed at Lance, he obviously tried to do it clean but since the guys in charge couldn't catch the other dopers it forced his hand. :p
  • 01-11-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Total red herring since Axe's position was not........awe fvck it, we could go round and round with this one.:rolleyes:

    Ok, assuming Lance was doping (which he most likely was yet we still have no real proof so we will assume he was)

    If you were clean but not even on the podium for several years because all the guys that were on the podium were on doped up and the only way you could beat them and make a name for yourself was to play the same game, would you

    a) Dope the fvck up and hope not to get caught
    b) Stay clean and just fade away like all the others that stayed clean.


    Don't hate the player, hate the game.

    Don't be pissed at Lance, he obviously tried to do it clean but since the guys in charge couldn't catch the other dopers it forced his hand. :p

    i am not pissed at Lance...
  • 01-11-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Sorry man, your statement is pretty oblivious in my opinion. "They could not even catch him properly"???? What the hell does that mean? They caught him improperly?

    I do not consider this targeted investigation an epitome of justice. There were no analytical positives (which I consider the proper way to catch, like with Contador or Landis), and this procedure is not up to the standards of what is accepted in a real court, which I would consider a proper way.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    It is illegal man, as defined by those that know what they are doing and accepted by Lance when he obtained his racing license through USA cycling. If he didn't like this rule - he should not have accepted it. But he accepted it and then violated it hoping that he would not get caught... Well, he got caught. Yep, he violated rules of the game. Penalty is pretty obvious.

    USADA is private organization enforcing private contracts. It has nothing to do with law as far as "legality" of those substances. Some rules prohibit caffeine or alcohol in competition. It is a private contract between private parties. I do not care about them.

    The point is, rules of a silly game do not elevate to wrist wringing about destroyed morals and hefty criminal offense terms used.
  • 01-11-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    my request to Axe was made in response to his claim that lance was a podium level TDF racer before he started doping when in fact he was nothing but a pack filler who never even finished.

    So who won before that? Riis? Ullrich? Pantani? :rolleyes: LOL.

    Admitted and caught doping rules violators.
  • 01-11-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Some rules prohibit caffeine

    Good point, I forgot that caffeine could be considered a performance enhancing drug.

    I better stop drinking coffee if I don't want to be considered a cheat when I bike.:thumbsup:
  • 01-11-2013
    monogod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    So who won before that? Riis? Ullrich? Pantani? :rolleyes: LOL.

    Admitted and caught doping rules violators.

  • 01-11-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I do not consider this targeted investigation an epitome of justice. There where no analytical positives (which I consider the proper way to catch, like with Contador or Landis), and this procedure is not up to the standards of what is accepted in a real court, which I would consider a proper way.

    you do know he tested positive twice , don't you. both times it was swept under the carpet and a "contribution" to the tune of $100,000 went to UCI. mafia and drug cartels are subject to targeted investigations. what's the difference... dude, he is so guilty - based on all the evidence and eye witnesses - your denial is weird, for the lack of better word...



    Quote:

    USADA is private organization enforcing private contracts. It has nothing to do with law as far as "legality" of those substances. Some rules prohibit caffeine or alcohol in competition. It is a private contract between private parties. I do not care about them.
    huh? seriously? USADA is enforcing the same rules as WADA who governs the Olympics and all other major competitions. what do you mean "private"? they are just enforcing rules that Lance and all other athletes ACCEPTED voluntarily when they got their licenses. whether you care or not doesn't matter. Lance ACCEPTED these rules and acknowledged their potential consequences. heck, some geriatrics were caught and banned after tested positive in a friggin' Grand Fondo type of race... it comes with the license (same as Lance) that they took. why is this so hard to accept?

    Quote:

    The point is, rules of a silly game do not elevate to wrist wringing about destroyed morals and hefty criminal offense terms used.
    really? if it was just for doping - i'd agree with you.
    but for all destroyed careers of those that stood up to him and all the millions of dollars that he won in lawsuits - he deserves everything he is called...
  • 01-11-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Good point, I forgot that caffeine could be considered a performance enhancing drug.

    I better stop drinking coffee if I don't want to be considered a cheat when I bike.:thumbsup:

    you are hilarious... do you read your posts before you hit "submit"?

    if you don't have UCI license or any other racing license and don't race - why would you be considered as a cheat.

    if caffeine is banned - then it is banned. if Lance accepted these rules - and then broke them - he should be penalized, no?

    no one forced him to accept "silly" rules. he accepted them voluntarily.
  • 01-11-2013
    Tone's
    Honestly guys, can we move away from the totally ridiculous comparisons to coffee, weed, LSD etc to serious performance enhancing drugs like EPO, really its boarderlining on the totally ridiculous....
  • 01-11-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    you are hilarious... do you read your posts before you hit "submit"?

    if you don't have UCI license or any other racing license and don't race - why would you be considered as a cheat.

    if caffeine is banned - then it is banned. if Lance accepted these rules - and then broke them - he should be penalized, no?

    no one forced him to accept "silly" rules. he accepted them voluntarily.

    Yes I do, but people thinking Lance owes everyone an apology isn't ridiculous, it is just plain stupid.:rolleyes:
  • 01-11-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yes I do, but people thinking Lance owes everyone an apology isn't ridiculous, it is just plain stupid.:rolleyes:

    i personally do not care if he apologizes or not... he is beyond the point of no return with the damage that he's done to himself. no apology can change anything...

    but you are questioning his guilt - and that is what i am debating with you... forget the apology. it is irrelevant...
  • 01-11-2013
    SV11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yes I do, but people thinking Lance owes everyone an apology isn't ridiculous, it is just plain stupid.:rolleyes:

    Wrong again, people want him to confess, not apoligize, why the hell would we want an apology.
    The majority of us here don't give a hoot about him doping, there is a small percentage that do, but that's not what all the LA threads are about.
    Have you ever stopped to ask your self why there are no other threads about the other doped riders?
    It's because we don't give a shyte, but what we do give a shyte about is how he lied, decieved, bulled etc etc etc etc, thats why we want to see him taken down, no one will settle for anything less.
  • 01-11-2013
    kjlued
    No, I am questioning the so called proof of his guilt.

    I actually believe he is guilty but laugh at all the people that was on his junk (even though he was missing half of it) then act all shocked, surprised and betrayed as soon as accusations start flying. I also understand why he would do it considering all the top TDF riders probably were and the only chance a man would have to win would be to do it.

    If I was to direct my anger (if I had any), it would be at the governing boards of the TDF for allowing this to happen years before LA won and probably every year after his last win.

    I guarantee we can just go ahead and wipe every title off the books from 1999 to present and probably several years before that. However, we still ignore that fact.
  • 01-11-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post

    I guarantee we can just go ahead and wipe every title off the books from 1999 to present and probably several years before that. However, we still ignore that fact.

    Dude - that is exactly what happened. Are you really engaging in discussion without knowing even the basics of this case???

    Lance was one of the last cheats that finally got caught.

    You can run, but you can not hide forever.
  • 01-11-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    you do know he tested positive twice , don't you.

    That is not proven. You can allege and believe anything, but under the system in place he was not caught with an analytical. It did not happen. You know that, right?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    huh? seriously? USADA is enforcing the same rules as WADA who governs the Olympics and all other major competitions. what do you mean "private"? they are just enforcing rules that Lance and all other athletes ACCEPTED voluntarily when they got their licenses. whether you care or not doesn't matter. Lance ACCEPTED these rules and acknowledged their potential consequences. heck, some geriatrics were caught and banned after tested positive in a friggin' Grand Fondo type of race... it comes with the license (same as Lance) that they took. why is this so hard to accept?

    Yes, he did. But that does not make those rules a matter of criminal law, and enforcement of those rule are not in the realm of judicial system.

    It is a private contract. Exactly that. USADA is a private organization with a contract. Subject to arbitration. Which is indeed a kangaroo court of sorts.

    Whatever. Unsubscribing. Arguing with you haters is pointless.
  • 01-11-2013
    kjlued
    So, lets just wipe the TDF off the books from beginning to end because now we all agree the whole series is a farce where only the best cheater won. That being said, we also agree that from 1999-2005 LA was the best cheater.

    LIke I have said before, C'mon he still beat all the other cheaters.

    From now on, lets call it the TDC or the Tour de Cheaters.:thumbsup:
  • 01-12-2013
    shekky
    sweet. ESPN is announcing The Confession on its ticker at the bottom of the screen...
  • 01-12-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    That is not proven. You can allege and believe anything, but under the system in place he was not caught with an analytical. It did not happen. You know that, right?

    Axe - he was caught. His urine samples showed usage of EPO without the doubt. They wee tested according to standards. Why are you denying it. What do you mean with "analytical"? This all was shown on TV many times. It is in USADA evidence.



    Quote:

    Yes, he did. But that does not make those rules a matter of criminal law, and enforcement of those rule are not in the realm of judicial system.
    Why is this relevant? Who is talking about criminal prosecution? How does that disprove his guilt?

    Quote:

    It is a private contract. Exactly that. USADA is a private organization with a contract. Subject to arbitration. Which is indeed a kangaroo court of sorts.

    Whatever. Unsubscribing. Arguing with you haters is pointless.
    But he accepted this court Axe. Voluntarily. He didn't have to. It was his choice.
  • 01-12-2013
    highdelll
    Louie Armstrong is INNOCENT!

    <iframe width="960" height="720" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/wyLjbMBpGDA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
  • 01-13-2013
    IndecentExposure
    I think Phill Liggett is an accessory to doping. Not many people would know Lance if it weren't for paparazzi.. haaa haa
  • 01-15-2013
    rockerc
    OK, so now we know Lance is guilty, can we forgive and forget?
    I am a great believer in compassion, and I am sure there are people here who profess outrage, me included, at the bad things Lance has done in his career, and have also done some 'bad things' in their time. Perhaps and most likely not on the same scale as Lance, but bad nonetheless.
    I think everyone deserves forgiveness if they are truly remorseful, and not just because they did not get away with it and are trying to salvage something of their ill-gotten gains or tattered reputation. True and meaningful remorse comes when someone feels it no matter what the outcome, and we cannot know whether this is what Lance is feeling now. I suspect not, but that is just my gut feeling. Does this make him any less worthy of compassion? I think not, but many will disagree. I still think he is a dick for doing what he did, and if he is motivated now from something other than true remorse, then he is an even bigger dick than I give him credit for.
    This one will run and run folks!
  • 01-15-2013
    wmac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Lance owes nobody an apology.
    Even if he did do it, he still owes nobody an apology.

    When it comes right down to it, if you feel hurt or betrayed to the point where you think you deserve an apology from this man because he doped up, then you are an ignorant ass fool.

    Everyone with Livestrong still needs to be thanking him.
    If he wouldn't have won, they wouldn't be where they are today.
    If he would not have won. LS would not have been able to do the good it has done.
    If he would not have won, so many cancer patients would not have the hope they had.

    Funny how we can ignore all the good that has happened and turn our back so quickly on somebody just because he was accused of foul play.

    So what if he did it.
    Lets say he didn't do it, and lost.
    Would the winner behind him who also doped have started a foundation like Livestrong and given hope to so many other cancer patients?

    This is something you wrote. You must be proud!
  • 01-15-2013
    Mtn-Rider
    It's going to be really hard after he put so much effort into covering it up for so long, almost impossible really. Plus, he only seems to regret not being able to compete in triathlons now. We'll have to see what he said to Oprah when it airs on Thurs.
  • 01-15-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    This is something you wrote. You must be proud!

    Wow you are brilliant, yes it is something I wrote.:thumbsup:

    Yes, I still stand behind it.
  • 01-15-2013
    xcguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Wow you are brilliant, yes it is something I wrote.:thumbsup:

    Yes, I still stand behind it.

    I agree. Armstrong doesn't need to apologize to anyone. He still won 7 straight TDFs against other doped up competitors. Sounds like a level playing field and he dominated.

    It wasn't like he went from couch potato to superhuman with drugs (which is what the main stream media seems to be intimating with their bogus interviews with that azzhole Tygart). He still trained like nobody else, he still rode like nobody else. I've never understood the persecution of Armstrong and it's still playing out.
  • 01-15-2013
    k2rider1964
    I already forgot....not because I do or don't believe that Lance is truly sorry but because I honestly believe the entire peloton of 'Tour de France' level professional road racers(minus maybe 5% tops) is guilty of doping or cheating in some way, manner or form. If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing? It means they suck and are essentially worthless.
  • 01-15-2013
    nuffink
    I look forward to seeing his head in a bowl next to Nixon's on Futurama.
  • 01-15-2013
    Fiskare
    I have been reading all the other threads on the subject and the answer is 'NO'. LA is the devil incarnate, the mother of all evil, and the worst of the worst in the Doping Rat Squad. :D
  • 01-15-2013
    nuffink
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I already forgot....not because I do or don't believe that Lance is truly sorry but because I honestly believe the entire peloton of 'Tour de France' level professional road racers(minus maybe 5% tops) is guilty of doping or cheating in some way, manner or form. If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing? It means they suck and are essentially worthless.

    It means they're guilty of collusion* and, if Lance wants to do some good, maybe he could take the whole rotten lot down.

    *At best.
  • 01-15-2013
    monogod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    If they never caught Lance in 500+ tries, what does that say for the competency level of those conducting the testing?

    "tested 500+ times with no dirty results" is true only in the same realm as cotton candy rainbows and unicorn farts.

    in reality he was tested fewer than 130 times and failed 8 of them. one of which mysteriously "went away" after a large 6 figure "donation" to the UCI for equipment to test for PEDs, of all things. :rolleyes:

    what does that say about the competency and integrity of those who head the UCI and other governing bodies?

    oh, he also tried to make a $250,000 "donation" to the USADA when they started investigating him as well. they turned it down citing "conflict of interest".
  • 01-15-2013
    kjlued
    Well I don't think LA has done anything that I personally need to forgive him for.

    I hope that those who he negatively affected can forgive no matter if he is truly remorseful or not because holding on to that anger can be more damaging then the deeds that somebody has done against you.

    That being said, forgiving and forgetting is two different things.
    For instance if somebody stole something from me, I would forgive them, but I would never forget and give them the opportunity to do it again.
  • 01-15-2013
    nuffink
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    one of which mysteriously "went away" after a large 6 figure "donation" to the UCI for equipment to test for PEDs, of all things. :rolleyes:

    Convincingly showing just how independent the independent testing labs were.

    edit: Let's be charitable and assume the sample was blinded.
  • 01-15-2013
    WarBoom
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nuffink View Post
    I look forward to seeing his head in a bowl next to Nixon's on Futurama.

    Id vote for him as the next prez of Earth, at least he admits he is a cheater. I wonder if he will inherit the headless body of Agnu?
  • 01-15-2013
    nuffink
    There will be no yellow wash at the Lance House.
  • 01-15-2013
    floydlippencott
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nuffink View Post
    Convincingly showing just how independent the independent testing labs were.




    The Dr. Ferrari trial is exposing the level of corruption and collusion in the "independent" testing and I am certain that it plays into Lances decision to confess, confess before the real facts are once again brought forth. This whole thing is going to blow up to levels that are almost incomprehensible, and more than a few people are going to be looking at prison terms.
  • 01-15-2013
    monogod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    I agree. Armstrong doesn't need to apologize to anyone. He still won 7 straight TDFs against other doped up competitors. Sounds like a level playing field and he dominated.

    wrong. he doped and won against other dopers AND CLEAN RIDERS.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by xcguy
    It wasn't like he went from couch potato to superhuman with drugs (which is what the main stream media seems to be intimating with their bogus interviews with that azzhole Tygart). He still trained like nobody else, he still rode like nobody else.

    wrong again. he went from a mediocre (at best) pack filler who NEVER FINISHED A TOUR prior to doping to being able to actually finish and win after doping.

    so yeah, before doping he rode like a nobody all right... :thumbsup:

    oh, and after doping he "trained" like nobody else too by having access to better PED's and an elaborate system of enablers and confederates than anyone else.

    so no one could match his level of cheating, dishonesty, and corruptness.... wow... something to really be proud of. :out:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by xcguy
    I've never understood the persecution of Armstrong and it's still playing out.

    you don't understand the persecution of LA for lying, cheating, intimidating, blackmailing, extortion, perjury, retaliation, etc.?

    you do realize those things are wrong and morally reprehensible, don't you? :skep:
  • 01-15-2013
    SV11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    I agree. Armstrong doesn't need to apologize to anyone. He still won 7 straight TDFs against other doped up competitors. Sounds like a level playing field and he dominated.

    1. LA winning 7 TDF's is not true, prove it!
    2. It still was not a level playing field among doped riders, why is that so hard for you to comprehend? LA still had a huge advantage over the other doped riders, if this is news to you then I suggest doing some research next time before making ridiculous statements.

    The only other riders that could be considered to have been on a similar level as LA would be his own team mates, and even then LA still had an advantage.
  • 01-15-2013
    shekky
    the whole affair is a bummer, plain and simple.

    i admired lance for his "accomplishments" and was in the "believer" camp until fairly recently, when all of the facts began to be made clear. i'm embarrassed for having once been such an ardent supporter of lance--and floyd as well. (i remember floyd tearing it up on the MTB scene in the early nineties)

    "This whole thing is going to blow up to levels that are almost incomprehensible, and more than a few people are going to be looking at prison terms."

    indeed. here's what i posted on my facebook page. bad words have been deleted:

    everybody involved in this sordid situation ought to be sent straight to secret underground kentucky salt mine federal prisons for the rest of their short assed natural born lives on GENERAL PRINCIPLES...and i mean EVERYBODY...lance, floyd, WADA, the USADA, the UCI, the USOC, the IOC, NORBA, USA cycling, the USPS, nike, the screaming fans on the side of the road in france...yes, even the management of trek bicycles...EVERY-XXXXXXX-BODY...

    (let's shove oprah into her own filthy jail cell, for adding an additional layer of slime to the whole wretched affair)

    competitive professional road cycling ought to be shut down for twenty-six years before grown men are allowed to sanction or participate in any way, shape or form of bicycle racing. god damn you, lance armstrong and every money grubbing rat xxxxxxx xxxxxxx that has let the sport sink to such a shameful level...
  • 01-15-2013
    rockerc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mtn-Rider View Post
    It's going to be really hard after he put so much effort into covering it up for so long, almost impossible really. Plus, he only seems to regret not being able to compete in triathlons now. We'll have to see what he said to Oprah when it airs on Thurs.

    I think we know the Oprah thing will be more obfuscation. I kind of like Shekky's observation of her bringing a whole new level of slime. The slime strata go back millennia!
  • 01-15-2013
    hitek
    I'm waiting to see how many of the people he trampled, sue his lying ass.
  • 01-15-2013
    AlienRFX
    How's about we just forget and lock this thread down.