• 01-16-2013
    floydlippencott
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jag Brah View Post
    What if you absolutely had to use some of your company's funds (without anyone's knowledge ofc) for your family member's life-saving operation?

    I wonder what those who don't condone doping /dishonesty would do in this situation.

    inb4 the situations are different. Yes they are different, but honesty is the topic being discussed here.




    This isn't even a decent Strawman arguement. Honesty? Lance has already demonstrated that "honesty" is an alien concept to him.
  • 01-16-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jag Brah View Post
    What if you absolutely had to use some of your company's funds (without anyone's knowledge ofc) for your family member's life-saving operation?

    I wonder what those who don't condone doping /dishonesty would do in this situation.

    inb4 the situations are different. Yes they are different, but honesty is the topic being discussed here.

    Wow. Just wow.

    Well lemme think. Can I also consider asking Colombian Cartel for some cash?

    Or my local mafia boss?

    Besides - how is Livestrong related to your question at all? Would they give me money that someone loved would need for a treatment?

    Do you know where their money is going exactly?

    Wow.
  • 01-16-2013
    Jag Brah
    I didn't even reference LA, not sure if serious.

    Poisondartfrog, do you even comprehension skills?

    --

    Since the topic being discussed here is honesty, with one side saying that everyone has a tipping point when they would do something dishonest for something in return (whatever that something may be) VS the other side saying that dishonesty can never be justified.
  • 01-16-2013
    Jag Brah
    so many jimmies rustled itt.
  • 01-16-2013
    osokolo
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    Originally Posted by Jag Brah View Post
    so many jimmies rustled itt.

    yep. we all got it wrong. you got it right...
  • 01-16-2013
    Jag Brah
    Not sure what you mean, I couldn't give less of a **** if LA was doping. My question was influenced by wmac's and kjlued's exchanges.
  • 01-16-2013
    bikeabuser
    Watching a news idiots, yesterday.............
    What if the entire Livestrong aspect was to draw attention and heat away from his bad press about doping charges ?

    Quite the question, and based on how his situation has developed, and what has been exposed about his character .... It wouldn't surprise me in the least, to find out that the whole Livestrong thing was developed as a distraction.

    Uh Oh...................
    Anti-doping officials want Lance Armstrong under oath
    SNIP
    Around the same time, World Anti-Doping Agency officials issued a statement saying that nothing short of “a full confession under oath” would cause them to reconsider Armstrong’s lifetime ban from sanctioned events.
    SNIP


    And this just in....................
    Livestrong calls for complete truth from Armstrong
  • 01-16-2013
    bikeabuser
    Oh, it's just Lance !!!
    It's not like he's gonna be affecting a lot of people, like that Bernie Madoff character ;)

    Olympics could drop cycling over Lance Armstrong revelations
    Fallout from Lance Armstrong's revelations of doping, to be disclosed in an Oprah Winfrey television interview on Thursday, could end up costing cycling a spot in future Olympic Games.
    SNIP

    And they (Olympic Committee) just recently got around to accepting MTB style stuff and snowboarding :madmax:
  • 01-16-2013
    Jag Brah
    What about the doping in weightlifting, running, etc? lol.
  • 01-16-2013
    wmac
    Everyone is dishonest some of the time with the right incentive Telling someone you have another call to end the one you're on; taking office supplies home are some examples. In the video I posted a couple pages back, it explains these seemingly little things have massive effects on a global scale.

    The difference is, some of us would either not do it or admit to it when we are found out.

    The question here is, would anyone cheat and break the rules of a professional sport to personally enrich themselves at the expense of others?

    The answer for me is no. If your answer is anything other than no, you are a person of low moral character.

    Before my dad died, he told me, "son, character and integrity are what you show youself when no one is looking."
  • 01-16-2013
    rockerc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Everyone is dishonest some of the time with the right incentive Telling someone you have another call to end the one you're on; taking office supplies home are some examples. In the video I posted a couple pages back, it explains these seemingly little things have massive effects on a global scale.

    The difference is, some of us would either not do it or admit to it when we are found out.

    The question here is, would anyone cheat and break the rules of a professional sport to personally enrich themselves at the expense of others?

    The answer for me is no. If your answer is anything other than no, you are a person of low moral character.

    Before my dad died, he told me, "son, character and integrity are what you show youself when no one is looking."

    I would pos rep you for this if I either knew how to do it, or ever did it... instead I will just say that your Dad sounds like a very enlightened guy.
  • 01-16-2013
    bikeabuser
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jag Brah View Post
    What about the doping in weightlifting, running, etc? lol.

    When a weightlifting a$$hole comes along who acts like LA has been acting about his doping problems ... Then that subject will be up for discussion.

    Besides,
    All his apologists have already told us .... Everyone in cycling does this ;)

    YEP,
    Bring on the Olympic committee .... They have a case against this man also.
    In fact the entire planet watched him steal a medal via an activity that, just wasn't caught, and ... The team was all doing it ... Right ???

    What a disgrace this is becoming.
    One man's ego might just end up embarrassing an entire nation.
  • 01-16-2013
    bikeabuser
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I would pos rep you for this if I either knew how to do it, or ever did it... instead I will just say that your Dad sounds like a very enlightened guy.

    Covered that REP for ya, because I also agree with the words !!!

    Oh, and click this icon under the users name to pos/neg rep someone.
  • 01-16-2013
    wmac
    Kobe Bryant raped someone and came clean. Didn't cost him or the sport all that much. Now, people cheer for him and buy their children shirts with his number on them. The new number, because the old Number belonged to a rapist.
  • 01-16-2013
    trevor_b
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Kobe Bryant raped someone and came clean. Didn't cost him or the sport all that much. Now, people cheer for him and buy their children shirts with his number on them. The new number, because the old Number belonged to a rapist.

    I don't remember him coming clean? I thought the accusations were dropped.
  • 01-16-2013
    wmac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bt2S88 View Post
    Pretty bold statement for someone who claims that they would never cheat.

    I have done both of the things I mentioned above. My boss knows about both of them. Those are the results found by Dan Airely, not me.
  • 01-16-2013
    floydlippencott
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    I don't remember him coming clean? I thought the accusations were dropped.




    They were bought, for a very large sum of money.
  • 01-16-2013
    bikeabuser
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Kobe Bryant raped someone and came clean. Didn't cost him or the sport all that much. Now, people cheer for him and buy their children shirts with his number on them. The new number, because the old Number belonged to a rapist.

    Disinformation;)

    Bryant admitted to an adulterous sexual encounter with his accuser, but denied the assault allegation. The case was dropped after Bryant's accuser refused to testify in the case. A separate civil suit was later filed against Bryant by the woman. This was settled out of court and included Bryant's publicly apologizing to his accuser, though admitting no guilt on his part. - Kobe Bryant sexual assault case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If he had admitted to the rape charge ... He might still be in jail !!

    Nice diversion, though :p

    ...

    The more I think about it, and the possible fall-out that might still come .... I hope he goes down hard.
    The justice department case about defrauding the Post Office = Lock him up !!!
    The Olympic Medal = Return it !!!
    All his fraudently gained earnings = Repay them, and include interest that could have been earned on that money.

    The list goes on ...........

    Because he's such a great role model for the kiddies :rolleyes:
  • 01-16-2013
    wv_bob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jag Brah View Post
    dishonesty can never be justified.

    IMO dishonesty is never JUSTIFIED but it can be UNDERSTOOD. Two different things.
  • 01-16-2013
    uneek78
    This is a good interview, but the part some of you may find interesting is starting at 5 minutes and 40 seconds.

    Skip Bayless is extremely candid.

    Additionally, before anyone attacks me. I don't have a side. I just started mountain biking in november. Lol! So, I think all of this is interesting now that I like biking. But I really don't care either way about the whole debacle. My biggest concern is learning to ride and not hit a tree. But best believe I will be sitting in front of my tv set watching OWN (Oprah) interview him this thursday and friday night at 9pm.

    Either way, the rest of this clip is good, but I like the perspective Skip Bayless put forth.

    Reaction To Lance Armstrong Admission - ESPN Video - ESPN
  • 01-16-2013
    bikeabuser
    Quote:
    Testify
  • 01-16-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    They were bought, for a very large sum of money.

    yep, exactly...

    translated in english - yep - i am guilty, but here... take some cash to help you forget... one million, two million, three million.....
  • 01-16-2013
    wmac
    Thanks for the Kobe clarification. And all this time I thought an innocent man was a convicted rapist. Whoopsey!
  • 01-16-2013
    Lenny7
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by uneek78 View Post
    This is a good interview, but the part some of you may find interesting is starting at 5 minutes and 40 seconds.

    Skip Bayless is extremely candid.

    Additionally, before anyone attacks me. I don't have a side. I just started mountain biking in november. Lol! So, I think all of this is interesting no w that I like biking. But I really don't care either way about the whole debacle. My biggest concern is learning to ride and not hit a tree. But best believe I will be sitting in front of my tv set watching OWN (Oprah) interview him this thursday and friday night at 9pm.

    Either way, the rest of this clip is good, but I like the perspective Skip Bayless put forth.

    Reaction To Lance Armstrong Admission - ESPN Video - ESPN

    Skip Bayless is a liar. Making crazy claims about this hs/college sports career. He was busted on air a few months back.
  • 01-16-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wv_bob View Post
    IMO dishonesty is never JUSTIFIED but it can be UNDERSTOOD. Two different things.

    Bingo

    But some call that rationalizing.
  • 01-16-2013
    Lovedirt
    Lance Armstrong for president !
  • 01-16-2013
    bt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lovedirt View Post
    Lance Armstrong for president !


    were you not breast fed?
  • 01-16-2013
    petersbike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I meant act as in the first definition of the word given by Merriam-Webster


    Act - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary



    To further clear things up, I do not mean it in the 3rd meaning of the word given by MW which is "the formal product of a legislative body : statute; also : a decision or determination of a sovereign, a legislative council, or a court of justice"

    I know the English language can be very confusing at times where the same word can have different meanings. Those are called homonyms. I will try to keep that in mind later when I addressing you. Sorry

    BTW, what you are doing is the epitome of trolling.
    I have to use an unconventionall source for this word since it is an unconventional use it.

    Urban Dictionary: trolling

    Feel free to come back for another English lesson and remember reading is fundamental.:thumbsup:

    How about using the word in the correct manner. Maybe if you wrote 'Do you act 100% honestly' , I wouldn't question your abilty to use English. Your usage of the word "act' is as a verb but then you give me the definition when it is used as a noun. I don't claim to be an English major , but taking English lessons from you would be like clapping with one hand.( credit to Metallica).

    BTW it is Mr. Peters, not peter, which you could have figured out if you fully understood the English language.

    Mr. Peters
  • 01-16-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post

    I know the English language can be very confusing at times

    yep, no doubt. even for yourself:


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued
    later when I addressing you.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued
    Feel free to come back for another English lesson and remember reading is fundamental.:thumbsup:

    LOL lesson in English...

    Thanks for the lesson in... Engrish... :thumbsup:
  • 01-16-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by petersbike View Post

    BTW it is Mr. Peters, not peter, which you could have figured out if you fully understood the English language.

    Mr. Peters

    Good one there since it could have easily been Peter S. as in the "s" could have been a last initial. Maybe it means Peter's Bike as in denoting ownership to your bike.
    Maybe you are the owner of this website Peter's bike online
    Hell for all that I or anyone else that you have never told knows, your last name could actually coincidentally be "Bike" making it Peter S. Bike.

    But certainly anyone should be able to tell that your last name is Peters from a bunch of lower case letters. :rolleyes:
  • 01-16-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    yep, no doubt. even for yourself:








    LOL lesson in English...

    Thanks for the lesson in... Engrish... :thumbsup:

    Yes, I make a lot of typos, I am sure you never do. :thumbsup: