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    I love where I live!!!

    I have lived in 7 states total, and have visited a lot more than that and never thought I would end up in California. Now that I live here it is becoming more and more obvious that for mountain biking (and rock climbing) California is the best state to live in.

    Last summer I made a trip to Denver to see my sister-in-law, we stopped in Fruita, Eagle, Breckenridge, Lyon and where ever Lair o the bare trail is. I have to say that I had my expectations for Colorado WAY to high, I did have a blast in Eagle and Fruita, but the front range trails are boring as F-ck, not to mention straight and rocky. I'm sure you can become a better rider (when you aren't dodging strava-tarded boulder-ites), but for just amazing trails with few people on them California really blows Colorado out of the water.

    Just for comparison's sake look at the trail database on MTBR: Colorado 338 trails, California 788 trails! Just think about how diverse the trails in California are as well! We have southern California coastal, dessert and mountains, Northern California coastal and alpine, and then there's the stuff in Tahoe and the East side. This really is an amazing place to be a rider, especially since I never see anyone else on these amazing trails!
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    So what you're saying is that Colorado has more trails per square mile than California?
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    You're right. Way less people in California. Every one should move there... Oh ya, and pass the doobie bro.

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    I think your point was missed by a few, but yes California does have some great riding! I have not ridden other States, just stating that CA is goooooood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    I have lived in 7 states total, and have visited a lot more than that and never thought I would end up in California. Now that I live here it is becoming more and more obvious that for mountain biking (and rock climbing) California is the best state to live in.

    Last summer I made a trip to Denver to see my sister-in-law, we stopped in Fruita, Eagle, Breckenridge, Lyon and where ever Lair o the bare trail is. I have to say that I had my expectations for Colorado WAY to high, I did have a blast in Eagle and Fruita, but the front range trails are boring as F-ck, not to mention straight and rocky. I'm sure you can become a better rider (when you aren't dodging strava-tarded boulder-ites), but for just amazing trails with few people on them California really blows Colorado out of the water.

    Just for comparison's sake look at the trail database on MTBR: Colorado 338 trails, California 788 trails! Just think about how diverse the trails in California are as well! We have southern California coastal, dessert and mountains, Northern California coastal and alpine, and then there's the stuff in Tahoe and the East side. This really is an amazing place to be a rider, especially since I never see anyone else on these amazing trails!
    Preach it! California is awesome, everyone should move there ASAP!

    Now back to my awesome local Front Range Colorado trails...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pop_martian View Post
    So what you're saying is that Colorado has more trails per square mile than California?
    Especially when you consider almost half of Colorado is actually more like Nebraska!
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    California's great, if you like expensive places to live...

    Seriously though, I'd live there in a heartbeat if my situation permitted. Spent a couple of years in Northern Cal and absolutely loved it. Perfect mix of beach, good weather, skiing in the winter.

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    I love where I live!!!

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    Not trying to get in a d!ck waiving contest of what place is better but I used to live in California in the Bay Area...and I loved it (well, all but the cost of living).

    I now live in Western NC in the mountains and the biking here is incredible. Rated in the top 10 places in the US by Single Tracks and the only place on the East Coast on that list. Do I love it here more....well, no but I don't love it any less either. Well, I do love the cost of living a lot better.
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    Yeah, the cost of living sucks!!! But I have the Eastern Sierras FOR my backyard!

    Just bought a 975 square foot house built in 1946 for $280,000!!!!!!!!!

    In Utah I could have bought a huge POS for that much!
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    Yeah, depending on exact location, that could be bought for up to $200,000 less and I have Pisgah National Forest, DuPont State Forest and a few other well known places in my back yard. Not as big but a couple hundred miles of trails all within 30 minutes of me is enough to keep me entertained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yeah, depending on exact location, that could be bought for up to $200,000 less and I have Pisgah National Forest, DuPont State Forest and a few other well known places in my back yard. Not as big but a couple hundred miles of trails all within 30 minutes of me is enough to keep me entertained.
    That does sound pretty rad, but I'm also do a lot of rock climbing, and this place has options and over 300 days of sunshine. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post

    Just bought a 975 square foot house built in 1946 for $280,000!!!!!!!!!
    I'm glad you are apparently happy about being on the wrong side of the above fleecing but all the riding in the world wouldn't make up for prices like that.
    Also, I'm not sure why you need to knock other states riding to justify spending way too much on a closet/house. At any rate, I'm glade you are happy where you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vfrrider View Post
    Seriously though, I'd live there in a heartbeat if my situation permitted. Spent a couple of years in Northern Cal and absolutely loved it. Perfect mix of beach, good weather, skiing in the winter.
    I'm from New Zealand and people always seem to rave about this place, but from what I saw of it NorCal is a wonderful place (we loved the whole coast area, from SF all the way up to Newport, OR). Gonna bring my bike next time I visit for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    I'm from New Zealand and people always seem to rave about this place, but from what I saw of it NorCal is a wonderful place (we loved the whole coast area, from SF all the way up to Newport, OR). Gonna bring my bike next time I visit for sure!
    There area only a few places in the world that I really want to live, Bishop CA is one, New Zealand is another. Spain is number 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vfrrider View Post
    California's great, if you like expensive places to live...
    Yup, way too expensive for me so CA is a no go to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    That does sound pretty rad, but I'm also do a lot of rock climbing, and this place has options and over 300 days of sunshine. . .
    Yup, 300 days of sunshine doesn't happen here but rock climbing and bouldering does.

    However biking in a temperate rain forest has some good points too.

    As far as price of home, it doesn't stop there.
    You have groceries, gas, taxes, etc.
    I certainly understand why some are willing to spend the money. It just isn't for me.
    Instead I will take the season changes. Ours are generally mild anyways and we still have year round biking.
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    See my location.
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    Having lived in So-Cal my entire life, I will agree California is amazing in so many ways. The Mountain Biking here is so diverse and there is more Mountains here than most can imagine. Even in LA, we are surrounded by great riding. I ride the several mountain ranges within 1/2 to 1 hr from my home, and be in the Sierra in 3 hrs. Having said that, I believe there are several other States who have amazing riding too, and a lot of it. Most who have never been to California and actually drive through the myriad of mountain ranges may think they are actually in Colorado or even Alaska if they did not know better. I used to Surf a lot growing up, but you really can Surf, drive an hour and be in the snow, leave there and be in Palm Springs in another hour. Then there's the Sequoias, Yosemite, Redwoods, Big Sur, Santa Barbara, San Diego, LA entertainment, and on and on. I get tired of the traffic, poorly run State Government, high taxes and the other stuff like home prices, but here I am 50 years later, still loving California. The weather is second to none (overall).


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    I personally lived in South Lake Tahoe as my adopted hometown. I've moved away for work and family considerations and there is a giant hole in my heart, no internet ********. It's magical there.

    I've lived in every state on the west coast and I have to agree that CA is the best. Even LA is nice despite all the ******** taxes, overcrowding, insane COL and so on. But then again that's why so many people live there.

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    I love where I live!!!

    California has some amazing landscapes.

    It's not for me, though. Everyone's balance is different. It would be great if everyone could love where they live, because I know the feeling, and it's rad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    There area only a few places in the world that I really want to live, Bishop CA is one, New Zealand is another.
    Living here certainly has it's good points, but there are a lot of downsides being isolated at the bottom of the world! I think that there's no one "best" place to live though, depends on what stage of life you're at and what you want out of it. I'd love to come live in the US for a while, but the hassle of immigration, changing jobs, selling house here etc etc just doesn't seem worth it. Probably better just to come visit when money allows.

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    I clicked on this thread expecting the post to follow the positiveness of the title. Only to read that where I live sucks because the trails are "boring, straight, and rocky". Way to go dude. I'm glad you're happy in CA. I love where I live too.
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    Grew up in California, then left and came back for 10 years and left again. There is no doubt whatsoever that California has great trails (and roads) to ride, great surf, mountains to climb and ski/board, lakes, deserts. It's got it all. But, in terms of great mountain biking, WHERE YOU LIVE in California makes all the difference in the world in terms of how much of a hassle it is to actually get to those trails. For instance, if you live in SoCal in say Redondo Beach as opposed to Laguna Beach, the experience you'll have in terms of finding a lot of close mountain biking and traffic to get there is very different. California is a HUGE state and the distances and traffic times to get to the good stuff can vary tremendously. If you want to live somewhere where you can just get on your mountain bike in your garage and get to a lot of great single track quickly, you gotta pick your location very carefully. If you're willing to drive a lot and deal with ridiculous levels of traffic, that opens up a lot more possibilities. Same thing with Skiing ... Mammoth and Tahoe are great spots, but can be a real slog to get to depending on where you live. The problem most (but not all) people in California have is that most of the good paying jobs are in the more concentrated areas of SoCal and the Bay Area and you then have the problem of real estate prices and traffic. If you can crack the code and figure out a way to make good money and score an affordable place to live near the stellar outdoor playgrounds, then you've got it all. Not an easy puzzle to solve, however.
    Are you really sure about that?

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    Northern California doesn't have the traffic ( except bay area). I live half way between the ocean and Tahoe ( auburn area), good jobs in sacramento and lots of good riding close by.

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    Love SoCal, all year riding. I live in east side of LA, traffic is way better than westside, and the trails are closer too, and so many good food from all over the world.
    Food wise, I think CA is the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    Especially when you consider almost half of Colorado is actually more like Nebraska!
    And thankfully, they want to go and form their own state

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    I couldn't agree with the OP more. In fact, please post a PSA wherever possible letting the CA folks in CO know they need to move back ASAP. ASAP!

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    Born and raised here in San Francisco. Love the diversity of the city. A true melting pot of cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitey View Post
    I couldn't agree with the OP more. In fact, please post a PSA wherever possible letting the CA folks in CO know they need to move back ASAP. ASAP!
    Unfortunately we try to keep the best and the brightest in California, you get the leftovers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    Unfortunately we try to keep the best and the brightest in California, you get the leftovers.
    Then how did California get stuck with you?
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    They are suckers! I was actually on my way to denver when I got called in for a job offer. Thank god.
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    Yep, so think about all the ones that go to Rad-o!!!
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    I love just where I'm at, thank you (Central Oregon).

    But I'd choose NoCal over SoCal any day, given the choice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    Especially when you consider almost half of Colorado is actually more like Nebraska!
    Your experience with CO is way limited, you barely scratched the surface. Try central and southern CO and get back to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    Yeah, the cost of living sucks!!! But I have the Eastern Sierras FOR my backyard!

    Just bought a 975 square foot house built in 1946 for $280,000!!!!!!!!!

    In Utah I could have bought a huge POS for that much!
    Wrong, the Utah housing market can be quite affordable. Of course it depends on where you're looking. I'm talking SLC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inter View Post
    Love SoCal, all year riding.
    I love SoCal too. I just wish everyone else didn't love it too. Way too many people for me.
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    So Cal is a pretty big place. I'm not a fan of the mountian bike riding with in 45 minutes of me (Thousand Oaks). Too many fire roads and not enough sweet single track. But we do have great road bike riding and the weather lets me ride year round pretty much.

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    Saying the front range is boring cause you rode Lair of the bear or in Boulder is pretty Fing stupid. I have a friend that lives in the Pasadena area and I have been out there twice in the last 3 years to ride, great riding in the San Gab's but not enough singletrack! We rode up in Mammoth which is nice but I can drive 2 hrs and have 3 diff resorts to chose from and all of them are just as nice. We also went down to Noble canyon and camped and rode there, excellent riding!, as well as a day in the Santa Barbara area. Still need to get up to Tahoe and Downieville which were planning for next time I head out there hopefully.

    I have been all over CO- GJ/Fruita, high country stuff and resorts, diff front range locales, not to mention Moab. To me Socal does not compare to the riding here, except for the excellent weather and year round riding. But it's an apples to oranges comparison, I prefer big mtns and trees over coastal desert mtns. I'm sure the riding in the Sierra's up north kicks a$$ and overall CA has a lot to offer but living here in the Springs is really nice as far as the riding and quality of life.

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    I have lived in norcal, socal, Denver. I have enjoyed mtbing in each. I think the Front range has missed it (Boulder) in particular has missed the boat about what has been going on in the rest of the country. They are about 10 years behind in their thinking about mountain bikes using the trails.

    All that said, I don't know if there is a better state than Arizona for Mountain Biking. The amount and variety is outstanding. The amount being created each year is just stunning.

    It's good to love where you live!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkrw3 View Post
    I have lived in norcal, socal, Denver. I have enjoyed mtbing in each. I think the Front range has missed it (Boulder) in particular has missed the boat about what has been going on in the rest of the country. They are about 10 years behind in their thinking about mountain bikes using the trails.
    You're right, they should get IMBA involved. Oh wait.

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    Could you please cross-post this in the Oregon forums so all the Californians will get homesick. Thanks.

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    I live in the NW of the Australian Capital Territory. Over the last decade I've enjoyed the growth of MTB trails in the region. This has been a real plus.

    I'm not the slightest bit impressed with the way our Nation's Capital City has recently besmudged the landscape. I live on the fringe of the Capital and only twice in the last ten years have I (even) bothered to ride into town. The developers and two-bit politicians are ruining this once wonderfully planned city. Planned by the genius of Walter Burley Griffin ... but I do love the thirteen wilderness regions that surround the Territory. That's where I like to ride.

    I do love where I live ... but out on the fringe of the now f-ugly plastic Capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Wassa View Post
    I live in the NW of the Australian Capital Territory. Over the last decade I've enjoyed the growth of MTB trails in the region. This has been a real plus.

    I'm not the slightest bit impressed with the way our Nation's Capital City has recently besmudged the landscape. I live on the fringe of the Capital and only twice in the last ten years have I (even) bothered to ride into town. The developers and two-bit politicians are ruining this once wonderfully planned city. Planned by the genius of Walter Burley Griffin ... but I do love the thirteen wilderness regions that surround the Territory. That's where I like to ride.

    I do love where I live ... but out on the fringe of the now f-ugly plastic Capital.

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    This thread was a great read.

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    Especially when you consider almost half of Colorado is actually more like Nebraska!
    Shhhh...We're gonna give that part of CO to Kansas...Don't tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trmn8er View Post
    Most who have never been to California and actually drive through the myriad of mountain ranges may think they are actually in Colorado or even Alaska if they did not know better.
    Naw, I know better.

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    Lots of good terrain in CA, but population density has taken a lot of the joy out of it. Whenever I go back it just seems like you are "squeezed out", as houses and development has happened in every possible place. It's going to be one big city from San Francisco up to Tahoe soon. Many of the previous rural areas have just gone nuts, and if you could travel around unimpeded it would be one thing, but lots of places just keep getting worse and worse. There are still some great places to live in CA, but it's hard for me to really have passion about it anymore.
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    Could you please cross-post this in the Oregon forums so all the Californians will get homesick. Thanks.
    How about we take back all the former Californians when all the non natives leave our state? Both states will come out way ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Not trying to get in a d!ck waiving contest of what place is better but I used to live in California in the Bay Area...and I loved it (well, all but the cost of living).

    I now live in Western NC in the mountains and the biking here is incredible. Rated in the top 10 places in the US by Single Tracks and the only place on the East Coast on that list. Do I love it here more....well, no but I don't love it any less either. Well, I do love the cost of living a lot better.

    I am curious how well you have adapted to the weather/humidity? Employment opportunities, any culture shock,etc.??? I am considering places for relocation and mtb trail riding is a crucial issue but other factors are a concern as well. thx

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    As much as I'd like to, I would find it hard to pick up and move somewhere where I don't know anyone or if I'm not somewhat close to family. Living in NY, and taking cost of living into account and what areas I like, I would look to move to North or South Carolina, Flagstaff, AZ, or Prescott, AZ.

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    I'm lucky to live in the Sierra too, where the riding is fantastic and summer weather is too good to be true, but it seems like many Californians have to drive a ways to get to good, legal biking. Not like BC where it seems every town has a biking trail network at the edge of town. Of course, Californians are so used to driving, that a two hour drive to them is nothing.

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    I'm lucky to live in the Sierra too, where the riding is fantastic and summer weather is too good to be true, but it seems like many Californians have to drive a ways to get to good, legal biking. Not like BC where it seems every town has a biking trail network at the edge of town. Of course, Californians are so used to driving, that a two hour drive to them is nothing.
    Enjoy! I'll pass on two hour drives to get to an off-road trail. The most I'll drive is an hour tops and without traffic which is doable but you have to travel at the right time. I like off-road biking but won't sit in bumper to bumper for hours to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    I have lived in 7 states total, and have visited a lot more than that and never thought I would end up in California. Now that I live here it is becoming more and more obvious that for mountain biking (and rock climbing) California is the best state to live in.

    Last summer I made a trip to Denver to see my sister-in-law, we stopped in Fruita, Eagle, Breckenridge, Lyon and where ever Lair o the bare trail is. I have to say that I had my expectations for Colorado WAY to high, I did have a blast in Eagle and Fruita, but the front range trails are boring as F-ck, not to mention straight and rocky. I'm sure you can become a better rider (when you aren't dodging strava-tarded boulder-ites), but for just amazing trails with few people on them California really blows Colorado out of the water.

    Just for comparison's sake look at the trail database on MTBR: Colorado 338 trails, California 788 trails! Just think about how diverse the trails in California are as well! We have southern California coastal, dessert and mountains, Northern California coastal and alpine, and then there's the stuff in Tahoe and the East side. This really is an amazing place to be a rider, especially since I never see anyone else on these amazing trails!
    That's real gnarly, son! California, after all, is where MTBing started. And there is everything out there from Desert MTBiking to The taller mountains with trails. Here in Massachusetts we have the Berkshires and the small Blue Hills near Boston, but there are lots of great coastal-town rides too. I've heard good things about one on the Cape (Trail of Tears, Barnstable). One thing I've always wondered is what Mountain Biking in flatter states like Nebraska is like.

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    I live in Colorado. I've also lived in the desert SW. That is the best riding in the US. Clear winner as far as I'm concerned. Moab, Virgin, StG, Sedona and the Western Slope of CO is close.

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    You mistake mountain bike marketing for mountain biking

    People have been riding bikes on dirt long before "Klunkers" figured out how to market those bikes. I don't think anyone really knows how mountain biking started.

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    People have been riding bikes on dirt long before "Klunkers" figured out how to market those bikes. I don't think anyone really knows how mountain biking started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Marin was a hotspot.
    Why do you say "was"? Is it not as popular now or are other locations better and more innovative?

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    I was inclined to defend my home state of Colorado; there is nothing wrong with loving where you live, but a bit weak when you have to do so at the expense of others.
    I too love where I live, I think are trails are some of the best I've ridden, I can ride many of them from my front door. The diversity of trails I have access to seems unparalleled, S.E Utah, Arizona, N.M., and the mountains up north.
    All this for a mountain biker plus a small, friendly town, great weather, nice river, hot springs, several brew pubs, no interstate, few crowds, great mountains ... I love living in Durango!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbrossman View Post
    I was inclined to defend my home state of Colorado; there is nothing wrong with loving where you live, but a bit weak when you have to do so at the expense of others.
    I too love where I live, I think are trails are some of the best I've ridden, I can ride many of them from my front door. The diversity of trails I have access to seems unparalleled, S.E Utah, Arizona, N.M., and the mountains up north.
    All this for a mountain biker plus a small, friendly town, great weather, nice river, hot springs, several brew pubs, no interstate, few crowds, great mountains ... I love living in Durango!
    Durango is friggin awesome. If I could live anywhere in the US, it'd probably be there

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    I was inclined to defend my home state of Colorado; there is nothing wrong with loving where you live, but a bit weak when you have to do so at the expense of others.
    I too love where I live, I think are trails are some of the best I've ridden, I can ride many of them from my front door. The diversity of trails I have access to seems unparalleled, S.E Utah, Arizona, N.M., and the mountains up north.
    All this for a mountain biker plus a small, friendly town, great weather, nice river, hot springs, several brew pubs, no interstate, few crowds, great mountains ... I love living in Durango!
    How the school system in Durango?

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    Durango certainly sounds nice but not a reality for me. Finding a job there, don't know a soul in Durango, and health care are at the top of my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    I have lived in 7 states total, and have visited a lot more than that and never thought I would end up in California. Now that I live here it is becoming more and more obvious that for mountain biking (and rock climbing) California is the best state to live in.

    Last summer I made a trip to Denver to see my sister-in-law, we stopped in Fruita, Eagle, Breckenridge, Lyon and where ever Lair o the bare trail is. I have to say that I had my expectations for Colorado WAY to high, I did have a blast in Eagle and Fruita, but the front range trails are boring as F-ck, not to mention straight and rocky. I'm sure you can become a better rider (when you aren't dodging strava-tarded boulder-ites), but for just amazing trails with few people on them California really blows Colorado out of the water.

    Just for comparison's sake look at the trail database on MTBR: Colorado 338 trails, California 788 trails! Just think about how diverse the trails in California are as well! We have southern California coastal, dessert and mountains, Northern California coastal and alpine, and then there's the stuff in Tahoe and the East side. This really is an amazing place to be a rider, especially since I never see anyone else on these amazing trails!
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    Not too hot according to the grestschools website.

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    How the school system in Durango?
    We were happy with it, had a son graduate from Durango High 3 years ago and did well in his college search.
    PM me if you would like to know more.
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    Durango certainly sounds nice but not a reality for me. Finding a job there, don't know a soul in Durango, and health care are at the top of my list.
    I came with a job, meeting folks, particularly riders, is easy in Durango, and the health care has been pretty good. (On the last, I do travel to Denver occasionally for specialists, but how often does one need an Neuro-ophthalmologist)
    I admit, it is a difficult reality for many because of the job situation, I was lucky in that regard.
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    I like the town I live in and the area, but California as a whole sucks.

    Moronic incompetent politicians keep passing taxes and nonsensical laws. Whacky-doodle liberalism. If everything west of the san andreas fault fell into the ocean the world would be a better place.

    I can start riding on a forest trail from my driveway and be the only paddler on a lake five minutes from my house. I pass over three trout streams on my daily work commute. The downside is it is in California.
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    I like the town I live in and the area, but California as a whole sucks.

    Moronic incompetent politicians keep passing taxes and nonsensical laws. Whacky-doodle liberalism. If everything west of the san andreas fault fell into the ocean the world would be a better place.

    I can start riding on a forest trail from my driveway and be the only paddler on a lake five minutes from my house. I pass over three trout streams on my daily work commute. The downside is it is in California.
    Without California you wouldn't even have mountain biking, the Internet or this forum.

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    Yes, please everyone back to California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakoGT View Post
    Yes, please everyone back to California.
    Then back to Ohio. Us natives need a little room too.

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    Moronic incompetent politicians keep passing taxes and nonsensical laws. Whacky-doodle liberalism.
    Gotta agree with you on that one. That's what keeps me from ever moving there.

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    Gotta agree with you on that one. That's what keeps me from ever moving there.
    Yes, tell everyone you know how terrible it is here. Please stay away. It sucks to be a native.

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    Shhhhhhh......us Californians are secretly taking over the whole country. Be afraid. Be very afraid!

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    Yes, tell everyone you know how terrible it is here. Please stay away. It sucks to be a native.
    Don't worry, it seems everyone is moving to either TX or AZ these days. CA and NY taxes is what's driving them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    Don't worry, it seems everyone is moving to either TX or AZ these days. CA and NY taxes is what's driving them out.
    Good riddance. California and New York, like all the other "blue" states, pay more in taxes than comes back in spending, because liberals like me (Army vet, E-5, Honorable Discharge, and you're welcome, but military service was just my duty as a citizen) have to support the welfare states, i.e. the "red" states, which cost the United States more than the taxes they pay.

    I read that Texas governor Rick Perry loves California, and has suggested that he might move there if his political career (HAHAHAHA!) ends. Sure hope not. We try to keep the welfare bums in their home states.

    Funny how everyone hates California except the millions of people who want to live there, and except for the happy people like me who already do.

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    Most so called "natives" are to light skinned to call themselves a native anyhow. But that's another thread....

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    Then back to Ohio. Us natives need a little room too.

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    Most so called "natives" are to light skinned to call themselves a native anyhow. But that's another thread....
    Even the natives weren't really natives, they walked here a few years before us more recent natives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    Good riddance. California and New York, like all the other "blue" states, pay more in taxes than comes back in spending, because liberals like me (Army vet, E-5, Honorable Discharge, and you're welcome, but military service was just my duty as a citizen) have to support the welfare states, i.e. the "red" states, which cost the United States more than the taxes they pay.

    I read that Texas governor Rick Perry loves California, and has suggested that he might move there if his political career (HAHAHAHA!) ends. Sure hope not. We try to keep the welfare bums in their home states.

    Funny how everyone hates California except the millions of people who want to live there, and except for the happy people like me who already do.
    I'd love to live in California but just don't make enough money to support living there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Even the natives weren't really natives, they walked here a few years before us more recent natives.
    Quite possible, wonder if these "less" recent natives made their way up here by killing anything on their way. Oh wait no, they actually lived in harmony with their surroundings. But again this could be a thread on its self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakoGT View Post
    Quite possible, wonder if these "less" recent natives made their way up here by killing anything on their way. Oh wait no, they actually lived in harmony with their surroundings. But again this could be a thread on its self.
    We don't really know, do we? There were a few waves of migrants and one may have killed another group.They wiped out the megafauna that lived here for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    California and New York, like all the other "blue" states, pay more in taxes than comes back in spending, because liberals like me (Army vet, E-5, Honorable Discharge, and you're welcome, but military service was just my duty as a citizen) have to support the welfare states, i.e. the "red" states, which cost the United States more than the taxes they pay.
    Where exactly did you find that information?

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    Where exactly did you find that information?
    Probably the Huffington Post.

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    Where exactly did you find that information?
    Common knowledge, the red states are the takers and the blue states are typically the donors propping them up. Way more welfare and food stamp use in red states while the liberals work their butts off in the blue states to fund them. Fox News doesn't tend to report this much.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...s-fiscal-union

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Common knowledge, the red states are the takers and the blue states are typically the donors propping them up. Way more welfare and food stamp use in red states while the liberals work their butts off in the blue states to fund them. Fox News doesn't tend to report this much.

    America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist
    Aint that the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Common knowledge, the red states are the takers and the blue states are typically the donors propping them up. Way more welfare and food stamp use in red states while the liberals work their butts off in the blue states to fund them. Fox News doesn't tend to report this much.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...s-fiscal-union
    It's easy to look at a map like that and reach that conclusion, but I think the reason why some of those states (especially NM) are in the red is because of defense spending. Also farm subsidies are probably a lot of the reason why some of those states are in the negative.

    On the other hand, I would venture to guess that there are far more corporate headquarters in states like California, Illinois, and New York, which means more corporate tax revenue.

    Food stamps and welfare are probably a drop in the bucket compared to those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    It's easy to look at a map like that and reach that conclusion, but I think the reason why some of those states (especially NM) are in the red is because of defense spending. Also farm subsidies are probably a lot of the reason why some of those states are in the negative.

    On the other hand, I would venture to guess that there are far more corporate headquarters in states like California, Illinois, and New York, which means more corporate tax revenue.

    Food stamps and welfare are probably a drop in the bucket compared to those things.
    New Mexico has some of the poorest people in the country. There are lots of factors at play here, but the net result is blue liberal states are the makers and red poor states the takers. America is full of these contradictions. Just like the Bible Belt has very divorce and teen pregnancy rates compared to us blue state folks.

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    The flood gates are open right now and they're all given a briefing to head to NY for the biggest handout, I mean government assistance. If I was crossing the border I'd head to either NY or CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    The flood gates are open right now and they're all given a briefing to head to NY for the biggest handout, I mean government assistance. If I was crossing the border I'd head to either NY or CA.
    Better get a real job to live in one of those states like the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Better get a real job to live in one of those states like the rest of us.
    Cali has the 4th highest unemployment rate in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    Cali has the 4th highest unemployment rate in the U.S.
    Yet it still helps support the rest of the country.

    California is more like two states. The low unemployment productive blue coast where are the brands you know and love are located and the red center where the economy is in shambles and unemployment is close to 20 percent.

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    I don't live in CA or CO and hope I never do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdlhrd View Post
    I don't live in CA or CO and hope I never do.

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    Where is this picture taken?
    1st pic was today in McCall, Id. 2nd pic was Saturday, in Stanley, Id.

    IMO, 2 of the most beautiful places in the lower 48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdlhrd View Post
    1st pic was today in McCall, Id. 2nd pic was Saturday, in Stanley, Id.

    IMO, 2 of the most beautiful places in the lower 48.
    Thanks. Looks really beautiful there. I would love to visit ID some day.
    Seems like a nice not so overpopulated place to live.

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    Without California you wouldn't even have mountain biking, the Internet or this forum.
    ???

    Do your homework. The German Army had mountain bikes in WW1. Anyone that says mountain biking was invented in California is admitting they are ignorant. The internet is an offshoot of the DOD ARPANET (military contractors, primarily on the east coast), further refined by CERN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Common knowledge, the red states are the takers and the blue states are typically the donors propping them up. Way more welfare and food stamp use in red states while the liberals work their butts off in the blue states to fund them. Fox News doesn't tend to report this much.

    America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist
    You calling CA a red state?

    You are aware, aren't you, that about 1/4 of all welfare recipients (TANF) in the entire United states live in Los Angeles County? LA County Dept of Social Services has about 17,000 welfare eligibility workers, more than the entire welfare caseload in several states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    You calling CA a red state?

    You are aware, aren't you, that about 1/4 of all welfare recipients (TANF) in the entire United states live in Los Angeles County? LA County Dept of Social Services has about 17,000 welfare eligibility workers, more than the entire welfare caseload in several states.
    That number is going to go through the roof with the tsunami of illegals crossing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    ???

    Do your homework. The German Army had mountain bikes in WW1. Anyone that says mountain biking was invented in California is admitting they are ignorant. The internet is an offshoot of the DOD ARPANET (military contractors, primarily on the east coast), further refined by CERN.
    Mountain biking became a sport in California even if the bikes were toyed with in other places too (also in the UK). Most of what powers today's Internet was also at least refined in Silicon Valley. Most of the tech brands we use daily are baed in California ... never mind pop culture and entertainment. California has a huge impact on the US.

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