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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Not trying to get in a d!ck waiving contest of what place is better but I used to live in California in the Bay Area...and I loved it (well, all but the cost of living).

    I now live in Western NC in the mountains and the biking here is incredible. Rated in the top 10 places in the US by Single Tracks and the only place on the East Coast on that list. Do I love it here more....well, no but I don't love it any less either. Well, I do love the cost of living a lot better.

    I am curious how well you have adapted to the weather/humidity? Employment opportunities, any culture shock,etc.??? I am considering places for relocation and mtb trail riding is a crucial issue but other factors are a concern as well. thx

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    As much as I'd like to, I would find it hard to pick up and move somewhere where I don't know anyone or if I'm not somewhat close to family. Living in NY, and taking cost of living into account and what areas I like, I would look to move to North or South Carolina, Flagstaff, AZ, or Prescott, AZ.

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    I'm lucky to live in the Sierra too, where the riding is fantastic and summer weather is too good to be true, but it seems like many Californians have to drive a ways to get to good, legal biking. Not like BC where it seems every town has a biking trail network at the edge of town. Of course, Californians are so used to driving, that a two hour drive to them is nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpressnall View Post
    I'm lucky to live in the Sierra too, where the riding is fantastic and summer weather is too good to be true, but it seems like many Californians have to drive a ways to get to good, legal biking. Not like BC where it seems every town has a biking trail network at the edge of town. Of course, Californians are so used to driving, that a two hour drive to them is nothing.
    Enjoy! I'll pass on two hour drives to get to an off-road trail. The most I'll drive is an hour tops and without traffic which is doable but you have to travel at the right time. I like off-road biking but won't sit in bumper to bumper for hours to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    I have lived in 7 states total, and have visited a lot more than that and never thought I would end up in California. Now that I live here it is becoming more and more obvious that for mountain biking (and rock climbing) California is the best state to live in.

    Last summer I made a trip to Denver to see my sister-in-law, we stopped in Fruita, Eagle, Breckenridge, Lyon and where ever Lair o the bare trail is. I have to say that I had my expectations for Colorado WAY to high, I did have a blast in Eagle and Fruita, but the front range trails are boring as F-ck, not to mention straight and rocky. I'm sure you can become a better rider (when you aren't dodging strava-tarded boulder-ites), but for just amazing trails with few people on them California really blows Colorado out of the water.

    Just for comparison's sake look at the trail database on MTBR: Colorado 338 trails, California 788 trails! Just think about how diverse the trails in California are as well! We have southern California coastal, dessert and mountains, Northern California coastal and alpine, and then there's the stuff in Tahoe and the East side. This really is an amazing place to be a rider, especially since I never see anyone else on these amazing trails!
    That's real gnarly, son! California, after all, is where MTBing started. And there is everything out there from Desert MTBiking to The taller mountains with trails. Here in Massachusetts we have the Berkshires and the small Blue Hills near Boston, but there are lots of great coastal-town rides too. I've heard good things about one on the Cape (Trail of Tears, Barnstable). One thing I've always wondered is what Mountain Biking in flatter states like Nebraska is like.

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    I live in Colorado. I've also lived in the desert SW. That is the best riding in the US. Clear winner as far as I'm concerned. Moab, Virgin, StG, Sedona and the Western Slope of CO is close.

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    You mistake mountain bike marketing for mountain biking

    People have been riding bikes on dirt long before "Klunkers" figured out how to market those bikes. I don't think anyone really knows how mountain biking started.

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    I love where I live!!!

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    People have been riding bikes on dirt long before "Klunkers" figured out how to market those bikes. I don't think anyone really knows how mountain biking started.
    Marin was a hotspot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Marin was a hotspot.
    Why do you say "was"? Is it not as popular now or are other locations better and more innovative?

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    I was inclined to defend my home state of Colorado; there is nothing wrong with loving where you live, but a bit weak when you have to do so at the expense of others.
    I too love where I live, I think are trails are some of the best I've ridden, I can ride many of them from my front door. The diversity of trails I have access to seems unparalleled, S.E Utah, Arizona, N.M., and the mountains up north.
    All this for a mountain biker plus a small, friendly town, great weather, nice river, hot springs, several brew pubs, no interstate, few crowds, great mountains ... I love living in Durango!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbrossman View Post
    I was inclined to defend my home state of Colorado; there is nothing wrong with loving where you live, but a bit weak when you have to do so at the expense of others.
    I too love where I live, I think are trails are some of the best I've ridden, I can ride many of them from my front door. The diversity of trails I have access to seems unparalleled, S.E Utah, Arizona, N.M., and the mountains up north.
    All this for a mountain biker plus a small, friendly town, great weather, nice river, hot springs, several brew pubs, no interstate, few crowds, great mountains ... I love living in Durango!
    Durango is friggin awesome. If I could live anywhere in the US, it'd probably be there

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbrossman View Post
    I was inclined to defend my home state of Colorado; there is nothing wrong with loving where you live, but a bit weak when you have to do so at the expense of others.
    I too love where I live, I think are trails are some of the best I've ridden, I can ride many of them from my front door. The diversity of trails I have access to seems unparalleled, S.E Utah, Arizona, N.M., and the mountains up north.
    All this for a mountain biker plus a small, friendly town, great weather, nice river, hot springs, several brew pubs, no interstate, few crowds, great mountains ... I love living in Durango!
    How the school system in Durango?

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    Durango certainly sounds nice but not a reality for me. Finding a job there, don't know a soul in Durango, and health care are at the top of my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    I have lived in 7 states total, and have visited a lot more than that and never thought I would end up in California. Now that I live here it is becoming more and more obvious that for mountain biking (and rock climbing) California is the best state to live in.

    Last summer I made a trip to Denver to see my sister-in-law, we stopped in Fruita, Eagle, Breckenridge, Lyon and where ever Lair o the bare trail is. I have to say that I had my expectations for Colorado WAY to high, I did have a blast in Eagle and Fruita, but the front range trails are boring as F-ck, not to mention straight and rocky. I'm sure you can become a better rider (when you aren't dodging strava-tarded boulder-ites), but for just amazing trails with few people on them California really blows Colorado out of the water.

    Just for comparison's sake look at the trail database on MTBR: Colorado 338 trails, California 788 trails! Just think about how diverse the trails in California are as well! We have southern California coastal, dessert and mountains, Northern California coastal and alpine, and then there's the stuff in Tahoe and the East side. This really is an amazing place to be a rider, especially since I never see anyone else on these amazing trails!
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    I love where I live!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    How the school system in Durango?
    Not too hot according to the grestschools website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    How the school system in Durango?
    We were happy with it, had a son graduate from Durango High 3 years ago and did well in his college search.
    PM me if you would like to know more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwheelin View Post
    Durango certainly sounds nice but not a reality for me. Finding a job there, don't know a soul in Durango, and health care are at the top of my list.
    I came with a job, meeting folks, particularly riders, is easy in Durango, and the health care has been pretty good. (On the last, I do travel to Denver occasionally for specialists, but how often does one need an Neuro-ophthalmologist)
    I admit, it is a difficult reality for many because of the job situation, I was lucky in that regard.
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    I like the town I live in and the area, but California as a whole sucks.

    Moronic incompetent politicians keep passing taxes and nonsensical laws. Whacky-doodle liberalism. If everything west of the san andreas fault fell into the ocean the world would be a better place.

    I can start riding on a forest trail from my driveway and be the only paddler on a lake five minutes from my house. I pass over three trout streams on my daily work commute. The downside is it is in California.
    So many trails... so little time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    I like the town I live in and the area, but California as a whole sucks.

    Moronic incompetent politicians keep passing taxes and nonsensical laws. Whacky-doodle liberalism. If everything west of the san andreas fault fell into the ocean the world would be a better place.

    I can start riding on a forest trail from my driveway and be the only paddler on a lake five minutes from my house. I pass over three trout streams on my daily work commute. The downside is it is in California.
    Without California you wouldn't even have mountain biking, the Internet or this forum.

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    Yes, please everyone back to California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakoGT View Post
    Yes, please everyone back to California.
    Then back to Ohio. Us natives need a little room too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    Moronic incompetent politicians keep passing taxes and nonsensical laws. Whacky-doodle liberalism.
    Gotta agree with you on that one. That's what keeps me from ever moving there.

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    Gotta agree with you on that one. That's what keeps me from ever moving there.
    Yes, tell everyone you know how terrible it is here. Please stay away. It sucks to be a native.

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    Shhhhhhh......us Californians are secretly taking over the whole country. Be afraid. Be very afraid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Yes, tell everyone you know how terrible it is here. Please stay away. It sucks to be a native.
    Don't worry, it seems everyone is moving to either TX or AZ these days. CA and NY taxes is what's driving them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    Don't worry, it seems everyone is moving to either TX or AZ these days. CA and NY taxes is what's driving them out.
    Good riddance. California and New York, like all the other "blue" states, pay more in taxes than comes back in spending, because liberals like me (Army vet, E-5, Honorable Discharge, and you're welcome, but military service was just my duty as a citizen) have to support the welfare states, i.e. the "red" states, which cost the United States more than the taxes they pay.

    I read that Texas governor Rick Perry loves California, and has suggested that he might move there if his political career (HAHAHAHA!) ends. Sure hope not. We try to keep the welfare bums in their home states.

    Funny how everyone hates California except the millions of people who want to live there, and except for the happy people like me who already do.

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    Most so called "natives" are to light skinned to call themselves a native anyhow. But that's another thread....

    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Then back to Ohio. Us natives need a little room too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakoGT View Post
    Most so called "natives" are to light skinned to call themselves a native anyhow. But that's another thread....
    Even the natives weren't really natives, they walked here a few years before us more recent natives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    Good riddance. California and New York, like all the other "blue" states, pay more in taxes than comes back in spending, because liberals like me (Army vet, E-5, Honorable Discharge, and you're welcome, but military service was just my duty as a citizen) have to support the welfare states, i.e. the "red" states, which cost the United States more than the taxes they pay.

    I read that Texas governor Rick Perry loves California, and has suggested that he might move there if his political career (HAHAHAHA!) ends. Sure hope not. We try to keep the welfare bums in their home states.

    Funny how everyone hates California except the millions of people who want to live there, and except for the happy people like me who already do.
    I'd love to live in California but just don't make enough money to support living there.
    San Diego is but a dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Even the natives weren't really natives, they walked here a few years before us more recent natives.
    Quite possible, wonder if these "less" recent natives made their way up here by killing anything on their way. Oh wait no, they actually lived in harmony with their surroundings. But again this could be a thread on its self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakoGT View Post
    Quite possible, wonder if these "less" recent natives made their way up here by killing anything on their way. Oh wait no, they actually lived in harmony with their surroundings. But again this could be a thread on its self.
    We don't really know, do we? There were a few waves of migrants and one may have killed another group.They wiped out the megafauna that lived here for sure.

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    Re: I love where I live!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    California and New York, like all the other "blue" states, pay more in taxes than comes back in spending, because liberals like me (Army vet, E-5, Honorable Discharge, and you're welcome, but military service was just my duty as a citizen) have to support the welfare states, i.e. the "red" states, which cost the United States more than the taxes they pay.
    Where exactly did you find that information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    Where exactly did you find that information?
    Probably the Huffington Post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitey View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    Where exactly did you find that information?
    Common knowledge, the red states are the takers and the blue states are typically the donors propping them up. Way more welfare and food stamp use in red states while the liberals work their butts off in the blue states to fund them. Fox News doesn't tend to report this much.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...s-fiscal-union

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Common knowledge, the red states are the takers and the blue states are typically the donors propping them up. Way more welfare and food stamp use in red states while the liberals work their butts off in the blue states to fund them. Fox News doesn't tend to report this much.

    America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist
    Aint that the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Common knowledge, the red states are the takers and the blue states are typically the donors propping them up. Way more welfare and food stamp use in red states while the liberals work their butts off in the blue states to fund them. Fox News doesn't tend to report this much.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...s-fiscal-union
    It's easy to look at a map like that and reach that conclusion, but I think the reason why some of those states (especially NM) are in the red is because of defense spending. Also farm subsidies are probably a lot of the reason why some of those states are in the negative.

    On the other hand, I would venture to guess that there are far more corporate headquarters in states like California, Illinois, and New York, which means more corporate tax revenue.

    Food stamps and welfare are probably a drop in the bucket compared to those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    It's easy to look at a map like that and reach that conclusion, but I think the reason why some of those states (especially NM) are in the red is because of defense spending. Also farm subsidies are probably a lot of the reason why some of those states are in the negative.

    On the other hand, I would venture to guess that there are far more corporate headquarters in states like California, Illinois, and New York, which means more corporate tax revenue.

    Food stamps and welfare are probably a drop in the bucket compared to those things.
    New Mexico has some of the poorest people in the country. There are lots of factors at play here, but the net result is blue liberal states are the makers and red poor states the takers. America is full of these contradictions. Just like the Bible Belt has very divorce and teen pregnancy rates compared to us blue state folks.

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    The flood gates are open right now and they're all given a briefing to head to NY for the biggest handout, I mean government assistance. If I was crossing the border I'd head to either NY or CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    The flood gates are open right now and they're all given a briefing to head to NY for the biggest handout, I mean government assistance. If I was crossing the border I'd head to either NY or CA.
    Better get a real job to live in one of those states like the rest of us.

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    Re: I love where I live!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Better get a real job to live in one of those states like the rest of us.
    Cali has the 4th highest unemployment rate in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    Cali has the 4th highest unemployment rate in the U.S.
    Yet it still helps support the rest of the country.

    California is more like two states. The low unemployment productive blue coast where are the brands you know and love are located and the red center where the economy is in shambles and unemployment is close to 20 percent.

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    I don't live in CA or CO and hope I never do.

    I love where I live!!!-ponderosa1.jpgI love where I live!!!-williams1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdlhrd View Post
    I don't live in CA or CO and hope I never do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwheelin View Post
    Where is this picture taken?
    1st pic was today in McCall, Id. 2nd pic was Saturday, in Stanley, Id.

    IMO, 2 of the most beautiful places in the lower 48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdlhrd View Post
    1st pic was today in McCall, Id. 2nd pic was Saturday, in Stanley, Id.

    IMO, 2 of the most beautiful places in the lower 48.
    Thanks. Looks really beautiful there. I would love to visit ID some day.
    Seems like a nice not so overpopulated place to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Without California you wouldn't even have mountain biking, the Internet or this forum.
    ???

    Do your homework. The German Army had mountain bikes in WW1. Anyone that says mountain biking was invented in California is admitting they are ignorant. The internet is an offshoot of the DOD ARPANET (military contractors, primarily on the east coast), further refined by CERN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Common knowledge, the red states are the takers and the blue states are typically the donors propping them up. Way more welfare and food stamp use in red states while the liberals work their butts off in the blue states to fund them. Fox News doesn't tend to report this much.

    America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist
    You calling CA a red state?

    You are aware, aren't you, that about 1/4 of all welfare recipients (TANF) in the entire United states live in Los Angeles County? LA County Dept of Social Services has about 17,000 welfare eligibility workers, more than the entire welfare caseload in several states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    You calling CA a red state?

    You are aware, aren't you, that about 1/4 of all welfare recipients (TANF) in the entire United states live in Los Angeles County? LA County Dept of Social Services has about 17,000 welfare eligibility workers, more than the entire welfare caseload in several states.
    That number is going to go through the roof with the tsunami of illegals crossing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    ???

    Do your homework. The German Army had mountain bikes in WW1. Anyone that says mountain biking was invented in California is admitting they are ignorant. The internet is an offshoot of the DOD ARPANET (military contractors, primarily on the east coast), further refined by CERN.
    Mountain biking became a sport in California even if the bikes were toyed with in other places too (also in the UK). Most of what powers today's Internet was also at least refined in Silicon Valley. Most of the tech brands we use daily are baed in California ... never mind pop culture and entertainment. California has a huge impact on the US.

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