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    Horses and Bikes - good, bad and deadly

    Hi Bikers,
    There is a lot of tension between the mountain biking community and the equestrian community and the fact is, all our trails are going to be closed if we don't learn to get along and band together to keep them open. We all like to ride fast at times. Nothing like being on my four-legged ride at a full gallop up and down some nasty trails. I am positive you feel the same way. However, there are those who just don't get the fact that doing this around a blind corner is a disaster for the three animate objects and probably your bike too if we all collide at full force. A man with his two young kids came careening around a blind corner at Cheseboro and if my husband's and my horse had not jumped sideways 10 feet in the air, and we had not stayed on, the paramedics would have had a bad day. So, please, if you are come up to a blind curve - especially if you see horse trailers in the parking lot, please know that a horse and rider are probably just on the other side. Just slow a little and MAKE A LOT OF NOISE! The absolute worst thing you can do is think you can get by a horse without him seeing you. They are flight creatures and see almost 360, with the exception of a fist size spot between their eyes. They can cow-kick you off your bike - they are precise - without so much as a missed step. Anytime you see a horse and rider, slow down and talk. They need to hear a voice to know you are human. If we see you, we will stop and let you pass. Just give us a minute to get the horse's rear end away from your head, okay???? We all have the same idea of fun, we just ride different vehicles. Thanks! Happy trails, SaddLLP

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddLLP
    . Just slow a little and MAKE A LOT OF NOISE! The absolute worst thing you can do is think you can get by a horse without him seeing you. They are flight creatures and see almost 360, with the exception of a fist size spot between their eyes. They can cow-kick you off your bike - they are precise - without so much as a missed step. Anytime you see a horse and rider, slow down and talk. They need to hear a voice to know you are human. If we see you, we will stop and let you pass. Just give us a minute to get the horse's rear end away from your head, okay???? We all have the same idea of fun, we just ride different vehicles. Thanks! Happy trails, SaddLLP
    Why do I have to be responsible for the lack of control you have over your animal? I can control my bike just fine and it's never spooked or tried to trample other trail users.

    If you're out there on a horse it's YOUR responsibility to ensure they are calm around bicycles. You are endangering other trail users if you're out there on an animal that you can't control. If you are unsure about your animal it doesn't belong out there on the trails.

    I follow the rules and yield, as we are supposed to. I usually don't meet bad equestrians, just like most people don't usually meet bad riders, but I do have an issue with a 1000lb dumb animal that is "spooked" by other trail users and even other animals on the trail. It wouldn't be much of an issue of equestrians took responsibility and rode bicycles around their own horses to get them familiar, but it's not my experience that they are that responsible, they want everyone else to be responsible for the lack of control they have over their animals.

    Maybe this is comming off a little harsh, as I said I meet a lot of equestrians that seem to be nice people, but answer me this: Have you ridden bikes around your horse to familiarize them for the mutli-use trails you are evidently riding?
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    Huh. I'll be damned!

    In our area we have many equestrians, bikers, hikers, and no conflicts. We build trails and maintain them together, shoulder to shoulder. Our primary source of land acquisition and funding is the local equestrian groups, and they turn the money over to us for trail maintenance.

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    We all ride fast when we want, are courteous, friendly, and non accusatory toward each other. It works.

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    I have no problem stopping and talking to you folks (I always do) but would you please pick up the huge piles you leave in the middle of the trail. Thanks

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    all the more reason to keep your horses on private property. i can at least keep my bike under control. its comical that mountain bikers were labeled as being more damaging to trails. i hate riding thru horse manure and i loathe the ruts and trail damage done by horses on wet trails. 1500lbs of horse and human on wet trails = major damage.

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    Well, I guess we all read what we want to read. Sorry to have taken space on your forum. Let's hope we all meet under good circumstances on the trail. Sorry to have seemed accusatory - thought I was opening a good dialog to tame the tension, not give it a forum to get worse. Back to my own forum to talk about our uncontrollable poop-machines....

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    The horse thinks we are predators looking for an easy meal. You have to understand that horses are prey animals, and their fight or flight instincts are hardwired and no human will ever be able train that out of them. They can be acclimated to bikes, but a fast moving object coming towards them still throws up the flight mechanism. The unpredictability of an animal is why hikers and bikers yield to the equestrian.
    I was sitting on a green-broke mustang mare when a biker came up from behind to fast, and scared the horse, causing her to kick the biker on the thigh, effectively ruining his day. I did not feel sorry for the guy and thought it was comical because the trail head was very clear that bikers and hikers yield to horses and gave precautions, this guy evidently felt the rules did not apply to him and found out the hard way why.
    I no longer have horses because of the unpredictability issues. I also understand why and do fully agree that bikers and hikers must yield to horses for the safety of all parties. We all have an equal right to use our public lands, and must co-operate making this a win-win situation. Bickering will result in trail access being denied, limited or closed, in which case this is lose-win, and you may find yourself searching for other trails further away from home.

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    Wow, I am surprised with the reception here. Thanks for posting saddLLP and it was really commendable to try to open a dialog here. Sorry for the reception, I think there is a lot of frustration here because of the stigma that is attached to MTB while equestrians seem to be somewhat immune.

    You are right that we need to work together.

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    What I read here is that the bikers are being told to change, and I hear nothing about what the equestrians can do on their side.

    In the area where I live, ride, work on trails (central coastal California, San Luis Obispo county), we have a great relationship with equestrians, they will watch ahead for bikers, get over to the side of the trail and wait, in areas where that is possible. Many times we bikers get off the trail and let the equestrians pass. Yes, on sudden encounters, the bikers yield to horses, but there are times when horses yield to bikers. Cooperation on both sides works both ways.

    But the bikers go to the equestrian meetings and ask, "What can we do to make this good for all of us?" The equestrians go to the bike meetings and ask, "What can we do to make this good for all of us?"

    This dialogue has been the equestrians telling the bikers what they have to do, or else loose trail access. Where is the cooperation in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saddLLP
    Well, I guess we all read what we want to read. Sorry to have taken space on your forum. Let's hope we all meet under good circumstances on the trail. Sorry to have seemed accusatory - thought I was opening a good dialog to tame the tension, not give it a forum to get worse. Back to my own forum to talk about our uncontrollable poop-machines....
    Welcome to the forum. You've probably noticed there are some folks here who have issues, some who specialize in keyboard combat, and some who have feel they've made lots of concessions to no perceptible effect on being treated as less than welcome. For what it's worth, I appreciate the effort you made to speak out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Why do I have to be responsible for the lack of control you have over your animal? I can control my bike just fine and it's never spooked or tried to trample other trail users.

    If you're out there on a horse it's YOUR responsibility to ensure they are calm around bicycles. You are endangering other trail users if you're out there on an animal that you can't control. If you are unsure about your animal it doesn't belong out there on the trails.
    The word. Most horses taken out by amateur riders are poorly trained.

    If you want to play with an unpredictable toy that weights a ton it is your responsibility to make sure it is under control.

    Sight of a bicycle should not be regarded as something extraordinary.

    Equestrians have a sense of entitlement and abundance of smugness. They successfully usurped our public lands under false pretenses. Horses actually cause more erosion and damage then bikes. They drop manure everywhere and they are a danger to all other trail users.

    I was hiking with my kids in a local park - that prohibits cycling, as it is near a rich little town. I was nearly pushed off trail by some dumb horse. My kids had to get around stinky piles of manure.

    Nothing like that happens with bikes. Recreational horse riding should be banned from all public lands and cycling allowed on all established trails and roads including wilderness areas.

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    We get along with horses just fine in the south Chilcotin.

    Apologies about that jayem character and don't even get him started about bike suspension





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    Welcome to the ME Generation

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    To our Equestrian friends, like saddLLP -- Thank you for all your help over the years in building and maintaining trails that we ALL can use.

    To those that have a "problem" with horses on trails and riding with safety and respect uppermost -- Good Luck with that.

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    Seems like we all just get along 'round these parts. I feel sorry for all the complainers. Are all y'all from Texas or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokiboy8
    To our Equestrian friends, like saddLLP -- Thank you for all your help over the years in building and maintaining trails that we ALL can use.
    Where are those trails we can use? In national parks? In wilderness they kicked us out? In local state parks that prohibit cycling?

    Are they doing trail maintenance? Not around here. (SF Bay area)

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddLLP
    We all like to ride fast at times. (...) However, there are those who just don't get the fact that doing this around a blind corner is a disaster
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    Why do I have to be responsible for the lack of control you have over your animal? I can control my bike just fine and it's never spooked or tried to trample other trail users.
    I think saddLLP made an excellent point here.

    In the example that she gave, she and her husband were in good control of their horses, while some pretty dumb bikers came scorching around a blind corner.

    I rarely meet horses on trails. I have a plenty of blind corners, though. I dare not take them at full speed. I also try to make some noice before those corners.
    Why?
    - There could well be a fallen tree on the other side.
    - There could be another biker coming the other way.
    - There could be a family with little children there.
    - In some places, there might even be a bear.
    - A horse? Unlikely but possible.

    I don't want to run into any of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddLLP
    Well, I guess we all read what we want to read. Sorry to have taken space on your forum. Let's hope we all meet under good circumstances on the trail. Sorry to have seemed accusatory - thought I was opening a good dialog to tame the tension, not give it a forum to get worse. Back to my own forum to talk about our uncontrollable poop-machines....
    Well, you had some good points, but you also essentially said that "mountain bikers need to do this, this, this, and this for horses". No, we don't need to do that because equestrians need to control their animals and if they can't, they don't belong on the trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radair222
    We all have an equal right to use our public lands, and must co-operate making this a win-win situation.
    Only if you are responsible and not trying to pawn off your horse's uncontrolability on other trail users.
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    You know, we all talk about the poop issue in passing but I notice that when an equestrian does make their way over here they don't really address it.

    I want to know, do you feel guilty about leaving piles of horse biology all over the trails? How would you react to me if I walk my dog past your house and he poops on the sidewalk where your kids play?

    In all honesty, I will never forgive an equestrian, no matter how nice they are or how much effort they make to get out of my way or whatever, so long as they let their animals **** all over the trails.

    It might not be wrong for me to leave an apple core out in the woods, but a pile of them in the middle of the trail would not be tolerated.

    You want to reach across the the aisle and make nice nice? Clean up after yourself the way we are all expected to in the name of common courtesy.

    I just can't believe this issue never comes up at whatever meetings you get together at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL

    Apologies about that jayem character and don't even get him started about bike suspension
    Thanks for the personal words and being concerned about me. It takes two to tango eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime

    I rarely meet horses on trails. I have a plenty of blind corners, though. I dare not take them at full speed. I also try to make some noice before those corners.
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    I'll take the corners as fast as I can, but I always take them at a speed that allows me to stop on a dime if I need to. How the horse reacts to this is not my problem, as I'm under control and stopping before them. I agree with most of the things said here, just not that we need to do all sorts of special things like talk to the horse and so on. The equestrians need to be responsible for their animans and they need to control them. If they haven't done the necessary training or trained them around bicycles themselves, they should not be out there on the trail. If these things have been done, then enjoy the trails and have a good time.
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    [QUOTE=perttime]I think saddLLP made an excellent point here.

    In the example that she gave, she and her husband were in good control of their horses, while some pretty dumb bikers came scorching around a blind corner.

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    Reading this thread I was thinking exactly the same thing. The horse rider was addressing BLIND corners and that people will get hurt.

    I started off riding thinking just like everyone one else. That poorly trained horses and inexperienced riders have no business being out on the trail. They are a danger, blah blah blah. Lets use the same standards on ourselves... Did I have any business being on the trail while I learned???

    I came around a corner on loose gravel, and kicked up some rocks. There was a familiy on horses, taking their daughter on her first trail ride. Because she was inexperienced her horse spooked. By Jayem's trail use "rules" I was still in the right. But what right did I have to endanger that little girl. Watching her cling to her horse terrified sure didn't make me feel that I was in the "right". Made me feel like an...

    If you look into the IMBA trail use it describes multi use trails and use designed trails. Use designed are still multi use but designed for hiking, running, biking or horse. Its pretty easy to tell when you are on a trail that horses frequent, and act appropriately. When you ride a trail designed specifically for bikes, let er rip.

    What do we expect Horse riders to do, keep the inexperience horses on the wider easy trails. What do they expect us to do, watch for them and keep it slow on the wider trails.

    SaddLLP hasn't even asked for that much, watch blind corners and make noise. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AscentCanada
    There was a familiy on horses, taking their daughter on her first trail ride. Because she was inexperienced her horse spooked. By Jayem's trail use "rules" I was still in the right. But what right did I have to endanger that little girl. Watching her cling to her horse terrified sure didn't make me feel that I was in the "right". Made me feel like an
    The horse spooked partially because that family didn't ride bikes around the horse THEMSELVES before taking the horse on a multi-use trail. Yes, there is no excuse for inexperienced mountain bikers as well, although we can try to spread the rules the best we can. I actually had to do this a few weeks ago with a very experienced tri/mtb "racer" I was riding with. She actually didn't know the rules of the trail, which was a little strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Thanks for the personal words and being concerned about me. It takes two to tango eh?
    EDIT eh - i was just trying to making a funny. Sorry about that.
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    I do many MTBing trips and have rode many areas. In most areas MTB and horses seem to co-exist just fine. I spend a lot of time riding the same trails as Jayem and of all the places I ride Prescott seem to have the most polite trail-users around.

    In So-Cal I have had my worst horse experiences like when a group decided in was time to get a young horse used to the trail. He was was being lead riderless tied to another horse, when a bike came up and stopped he freaking and starting kicking at everything close then broke free and ran full steam down the trail at some hikers. I don't blame the horse but people who own horses and really aren't "horse people".

    When I ride remote areas I find it comforting knowing that others on horseback are around for support if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterC
    Clean up after yourself the way we are all expected to in the name of common courtesy.
    Those piles are just nature's way of giving the trail crew something to fill the post holes that horses make in the trail with their hooves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
    EDIT eh - i was just trying to making a funny. Sorry about that.
    To me it sounded like you were trying to make a funny at my expense. If that was not your intent then I am sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Equestrians have a sense of entitlement and abundance of smugness. They successfully usurped our public lands under false pretenses. Horses actually cause more erosion and damage then bikes. They drop manure everywhere and they are a danger to all other trail users.
    Agreed. Equestrians are themost self important, arrogrant people on the trail. Everytime I come to a horse on the trail the rider always thinks I should clear the trail for their animal. They ride through me and at me, often with no warning. Horses make those huge, deep hoof marks all over the trail and leave huge, stinking piles of crap right in the middle. At least dogs usually crap off the trial.

    Horses are dangerous, sometimes unpredictable animals. They do not belong on the trail with hikers and riders. They are easily spooked and are not safe. I can control, predict and manage my bike so I am 100% safe. You can't control an animal, it has a mind of its own, especially a 1000 lb animal.

    To the starter of this thread, I don't want to see any horses on my trail. Please stick to riding around in circles, safely enclosed by fences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession
    I can control, predict and manage my bike so I am 100% safe.
    Me too. Took a spill during yesterday's ride. Been almost a week since my latest OTB.

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    In my entier life, one, yes one, equestrian has been courteous to me on the trail. On the flip side of that, dozens of them have run me right off the trail and yelled out some derogatory comment having to do with granola, sprockets, or spandex. I think the problem around here is they all think they're cowboys and have to fit the tuffguy stereotype. Unfortunately they only come across as ignorant rednecks.

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    i've only ever had good experiences meeting equestrians on the trail. i don't like the mess their animals leave behind, but people are people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    The horse spooked partially because that family didn't ride bikes around the horse THEMSELVES before taking the horse on a multi-use trail. Yes, there is no excuse for inexperienced mountain bikers as well, although we can try to spread the rules the best we can. I actually had to do this a few weeks ago with a very experienced tri/mtb "racer" I was riding with. She actually didn't know the rules of the trail, which was a little strange.
    You tend to generalize things into what suits your argument. How do you KNOW this and this as FACT? Do you have some telepathic ability to know these people and how they did train their horse Do you think they put their daughter on their most inexperienced horse?

    As I explained in this case I slowed down and continued to ride past. I hit a rock up at the horse, which spooked it and it took off into the bushes away from me. The horse was still until then. So it seemed that the horse was experienced but the rider not. By not dismounting and letting the horses by I put both myself at risk of being kicked and their daughter in danger.

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    [QUOTE=saddLLP]"So, please, if you are come up to a blind curve - especially if you see horse trailers in the parking lot, please know that a horse and rider are probably just on the other side."

    Slowing down for blind corners should be a given in situations when any other trail users are present. Perhaps it needed to be brought up again? Kinda like me jumping on a skydiving forum and telling them to pull the cord before they hit the ground! Everybody knows that for every given number of trail users there is going to be somebody out there with half a brain and no respect for anybody else. What you said here needed to be told to the father in front of the kids so they learn what sharing the trail entails.

    "Nothing like being on my four-legged ride at a full gallop up and down some nasty trails."

    Let me guess. Nasty trails means horse hooved carpet bombed potholed covered in a thick layer horse dung. Perhaps if the equestrians in my neck of the woods took the time to clean and repair the trails they destroy (at least the busy ones close to town) that statement would not rub me the wrong way.

    "If we see you, we will stop and let you pass. Just give us a minute to get the horse's rear end away from your head, okay????"

    I will assume you mean if the biker is approaching from behind. Just the other day I came upon 3 riders (approaching) on a roughly 8 foot+ wide trail. I went way wide, slowed to about 2mph, took my feet off the pedals, and addressed the horses. I could tell the horses had no problem with me, unlike the lead rider. He pulled the greater than thou, come to a complete stop, and bow down to me and my horses move. By the time he was done with his preaching they had already passed! If you want to give this thread insight you could explain why half of the equestrian population are a bunch of trouser snakes!

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    Horse people always say the same thing,

    " Look, we are allowed out there and we aren't going to stop. So lets make nice nice when we deal with each other and be as safe as possible even if that puts most of the responsibility on you. About the poop thing, 'No comment'. "

    To which I respond, " Die in a fire you lazy, dense, self important jackass for covering your disdain with this thinly layered cordiality and then blaming me for not rolling over when you make your demands. Oh, and clean up your horse ****, dick."

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    My camel never has any "fright" issues and has soft feet that do not erode a trail like a hoof will. She just spits when agitated.

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    Next time I see a guy on a horse, I'm going to shoot his dog with my gun!

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    [QUOTE=AscentCanada]
    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    I think saddLLP made an excellent point here.

    In the example that she gave, she and her husband were in good control of their horses, while some pretty dumb bikers came scorching around a blind corner.

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    Reading this thread I was thinking exactly the same thing. The horse rider was addressing BLIND corners and that people will get hurt.

    I started off riding thinking just like everyone one else. That poorly trained horses and inexperienced riders have no business being out on the trail. They are a danger, blah blah blah. Lets use the same standards on ourselves... Did I have any business being on the trail while I learned???

    I came around a corner on loose gravel, and kicked up some rocks. There was a familiy on horses, taking their daughter on her first trail ride. Because she was inexperienced her horse spooked. By Jayem's trail use "rules" I was still in the right. But what right did I have to endanger that little girl. Watching her cling to her horse terrified sure didn't make me feel that I was in the "right". Made me feel like an...

    If you look into the IMBA trail use it describes multi use trails and use designed trails. Use designed are still multi use but designed for hiking, running, biking or horse. Its pretty easy to tell when you are on a trail that horses frequent, and act appropriately. When you ride a trail designed specifically for bikes, let er rip.

    What do we expect Horse riders to do, keep the inexperience horses on the wider easy trails. What do they expect us to do, watch for them and keep it slow on the wider trails.

    SaddLLP hasn't even asked for that much, watch blind corners and make noise. Seems pretty reasonable to me.



    I have to agree with you! SaddLLP was addressing blind corners in particular and I think coming up from behind. If you are riding a "multi-use" trail remember that it is multi-use and we ALL have the right and privelge of being there. Sometimes certain groups of trail users (I am talking about us) get a bad name because a few of us bad mouth other users. Respect others' rights to be on the trail and hopefully they will respect yours' too!
    It would be nice if they could clean up after their horses but I do not know much about horses I don't know how difficult that is or isn't.
    Anyway remember being respectful of others gains respect towards yourself! If you want more mountain bike access only trails join your local group and take action and get them. Our trails are brought from hard work by many people! Be one of them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubeck
    Next time I see a guy on a horse, I'm going to shoot his dog with my gun!
    Now listen you trigger-happy cave man! You should know that a squirt of lemon juice from a bottle is the way to teach a predator a lesson. Leave finishing that guy to the Authorities when they arrive.
    (the stupid herd animal is already dead in the ravine)





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    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterC
    To which I respond, " Die in a fire you lazy, dense, self important jackass for covering your disdain with this thinly layered cordiality and then blaming me for not rolling over when you make your demands. Oh, and clean up your horse ****, dick."
    Do you really hate horses on tha trail that much or was it a joke?

    rules are rules, if any of you see a horse on the trail they have right of way not you, and if theres a blind corner, take it slow enough so that you can come to a quick stop

    i absolutely hate horses sometimes, especially when i went to wales 2 weeks ago and found all the local trails ruined by horses riding them in the wet, but theres nothing the rider or owner can do to "train" the horse not to spook, its a reflex reaction.... if you looked up and saw something flying towards you fast, your not just gonna stand there and look dumb, you flinch yes?
    same thing in a horses case

    so stop complaining about poorly trained horses and their riders, and why dont you just go out on the trail and enjoy them and have a chat to the rider

    and i really doubt any of you actually have a go at the riders like some people say they do. You might tell everyone on here that you do, where nobody can see you or shout back, you can make youself look all big and mr important behind a screen, but either way, thats just pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by AscentCanada
    It would be nice if they could clean up after their horses but I do not know much about horses I don't know how difficult that is or isn't.
    oh come on. if there is one thing that is simple about this discussion, that should be a no-brainer, it is that they should clean up after them and that it can be done with minimal effort.

    Police horses in Washington D.C.

    I rest my case.

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    While I hate the damage the beasts do to the trails, I always get the hell out of the way when I see them coming. No interest in getting kicked anywhere by one of them or having them rear up and buck the rider off. I would feel really bad if that happened, even though i wouldn't exactly consider it 'my fault'. Most of the horse riders I've come across have been mutually respectful though there have been the odd cowboy macho d-bag over the years. They are on top of a very heavy, strong, unpredictable animal...and they do have their right to be out there on the trails. I think we should try to get along because neither group is going away. (So many problems in the world could be improved by recognizing the 'other group' are human beings just like 'our group')
    Slocaus, I wish I lived in your area...Sounds like bike/horse rider utopia!!!

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    I agree with everyone on the poop/potholes/poop filled potholes

    In Nashville we lost one of our best trails to the horse people and I cannot stand it!

    It was the same bs that is always used erosion/spooking horses. There is a group of riders fighting it now but as someone above mentioned the park is in a very wealthy neighborhood, and I think that not allowing bikes also keeps poor people out of their park.

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    I agree with everyone on the poop/potholes/poop filled potholes

    In Nashville we lost one of our best trails to the horse people and I cannot stand it!

    It was the same bs that is always used erosion/spooking horses. There is a group of riders fighting it now but as someone above mentioned the park is in a very wealthy neighborhood, and I think that not allowing bikes also keeps poor people out of their park.

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    Thankfully I ride on trails where horses aren't allowed. I did once ride a trail that was multi-use and though I did not come across any horses it was once of the worst trails I have ever been on. It was flat and clear and wide and relatively rock/root free but it was in such horrible shape from the hoof marks it might as well been a technical rock garden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joehspicer@msn.com
    Do you really hate horses on tha trail that much or was it a joke?

    rules are rules, if any of you see a horse on the trail they have right of way not you, and if theres a blind corner, take it slow enough so that you can come to a quick stop

    i absolutely hate horses sometimes, especially when i went to wales 2 weeks ago and found all the local trails ruined by horses riding them in the wet, but theres nothing the rider or owner can do to "train" the horse not to spook, its a reflex reaction.... if you looked up and saw something flying towards you fast, your not just gonna stand there and look dumb, you flinch yes?
    same thing in a horses case

    so stop complaining about poorly trained horses and their riders, and why dont you just go out on the trail and enjoy them and have a chat to the rider

    and i really doubt any of you actually have a go at the riders like some people say they do. You might tell everyone on here that you do, where nobody can see you or shout back, you can make youself look all big and mr important behind a screen, but either way, thats just pathetic
    We call it hyperbole and I only use it when I really need it.

    I will never understand this mentality and it is just...ugh...everywhere. Yeah rules...are rules, I get that. Doesn't make them right.

    Take blind corners slow,yes, thank you for your insight but it toally misses the point. We aren't talking about the OP anymore if you haven't noticed. This thread has digressed into general disdain for horses as they all do.

    But, saying that horses are unpredictable and dangerous is not an argument to support that we should be more careful around them. Us being more careful around them is a result of them being dangerous. You know, in Maryland and many other places, they banned smoking in bars because they didn't feel it was fair to expect normal people, who are damaging their bodies just the same with alcohol, to have to endure someone else's smoke. A danger they could not share the same space with and avoid at the same time. I submit that this is a similar situation.

    Of course the argument to the smoking ban was that people should just not go to the bars where people smoke. So, right or wrong, my point is that rules were rules and people could smoke, someone decided it was wrong to subject others to it and got it kicked out. The rules changed. If smokers could somehow guarentee that they were insulating their smoke from the other patrons they would still be allowed to smoke indoors today. But they can't. And you know what, as much as I felt it was wrong at the time, I like it much better this way and the majority of people seem to also.

    Tellign me that rules are rules and I should just get in line like everyone else is ignorant and lazy.

    And I have never told a lie about an enoucnter with a horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyMtnBikeHer

    oh come on. if there is one thing that is simple about this discussion, that should be a no-brainer, it is that they should clean up after them and that it can be done with minimal effort.
    I agree. It is just a matter of hopping off the horse and kicking the crap off to the side of the trail or carry a small trail shovel and heave the trail apples up into the woods. If I ever had my dog on a trail and he dumped ON the trail I would at least move it off the trail a distance to prevent someone from riding/walking/falling in it. I have a feeling though that getting down off a horse to clean up poo is not something the majesties feel is their duty. I say this even being a horse owner though my g/f is the one that rides. She rides on horse ONLY trails and not trails that were stolen from mountain bikers.

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