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    I'm smug AGAINST anyone not riding a 26in bike. Not really, but in my mind I am.

    I am because I cannot go to the LBS and buy any DECENT tires for my 26in bike. I am because I cannot got to the LBS and look at any 26in forks. Like this thing has just *poofed* off the face of the earth as a form of usable trail biking machine and is completely inept at having fun on the trail and should not be repaired. F-you local bike shops, you aren't getting a F-ing dollar from me.

    So I am smug against them, because people ate up the 27.5 that the industry shoved down our throats, and now I am either forced to be bitter or drop the money and join the "revolution".

    So I will be riding my 26er obsolete piece of **** and hating on the 27.5in secretly every time I ride.

    I have a 29er. It is a fast hard tail race machine. So I am not prejudiced against wheel sizes other than 26in, I am just a sad little troll with an obsolete bike. But my buddies 27.5 Kona process feels 95% the same as mine when we swap out. Not dropping $3k for 5% difference.

    So yes, internal smugness abounds.
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    I get so many compliments on my bike and I know that people are just lying to me to make me feel better because I still have those only tiny 26" wheels, but its nice to know that people care about how i feel about my ride.

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    Opposite of smug - Rode for the first time with a colleague. After the ride he said to me: "I'm really relieved. Before you showed up I was afraid you would have one of those stupid 29ers."

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    Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?

    It's totally normal that people are interested in what others are riding. So the whole "just ride" thing only goes so far, you have to be riding on top of something. And it does matter to some degree. You don't see 10" wheels or 60" wheels out there lol not that I wouldn't ride them.

    I am sad that the 26" ht is just gone from the stores. I was recently thinking of a 26" ht to race and could find nothing around here anywhere. Tires are pretty much nil.

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    A few of the local stores have more 26" tires than 29" tires. If I want a decent 26 tire I can just walk in and buy one. If I want a decent 29 tire I have to order it.

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    Sounds like you need to meditate or smoke some herb or something.

    Seriously though, I got a 27.5 recently only because I could see the writing on the wall, and the bikes really are better than anything else I've ridden. I wouldn't go out of the way to 'upgrade' if you already have a nice 26er, but if you are in the market for a new bike it's not that hard a choice unless you're set on being a holdout.

    I went back to some of my old posts during the 29er 'revolution' and saw that while it was happening I was saying that for a FS bike it doesn't make sense to fit larger wheels to 'roll better' since the suspension takes care of obstacles and rolling benefits are probably negated by wheel weight, acceleration up/after climbing tech sections and so on. They're great for hardtail XC bikes on XC trails (see XC racers doing well on 29ers) but for most trails I ride I'd like a FS smaller wheeled bike.

    Personally IDGAF if it's 26" or 27.5" as long as we can just pick a f'in wheel size and stick with it. I've got some 26" wheels in the basement I'm really wanting to build into something but I need a damn frame!

    Quote Originally Posted by y0bailey View Post
    I'm smug AGAINST anyone not riding a 26in bike. Not really, but in my mind I am.

    I am because I cannot go to the LBS and buy any DECENT tires for my 26in bike. I am because I cannot got to the LBS and look at any 26in forks. Like this thing has just *poofed* off the face of the earth as a form of usable trail biking machine and is completely inept at having fun on the trail and should not be repaired. F-you local bike shops, you aren't getting a F-ing dollar from me.

    So I am smug against them, because people ate up the 27.5 that the industry shoved down our throats, and now I am either forced to be bitter or drop the money and join the "revolution".

    So I will be riding my 26er obsolete piece of **** and hating on the 27.5in secretly every time I ride.

    I have a 29er. It is a fast hard tail race machine. So I am not prejudiced against wheel sizes other than 26in, I am just a sad little troll with an obsolete bike. But my buddies 27.5 Kona process feels 95% the same as mine when we swap out. Not dropping $3k for 5% difference.

    So yes, internal smugness abounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctock993 View Post
    Opposite of smug - Rode for the first time with a colleague. After the ride he said to me: "I'm really relieved. Before you showed up I was afraid you would have one of those stupid 29ers."

    100% true story!
    That is hilarious. And it makes me wonder, will wheelsize someday surpass all other forms of prejudice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlycrimson View Post
    It's totally normal that people are interested in what others are riding. So the whole "just ride" thing only goes so far, you have to be riding on top of something. And it does matter to some degree. You don't see 10" wheels or 60" wheels out there lol not that I wouldn't ride them.

    I am sad that the 26" ht is just gone from the stores. I was recently thinking of a 26" ht to race and could find nothing around here anywhere. Tires are pretty much nil.
    If the LBS won't stock the components and rubber we need for our 26ers, then the online businesses are goinng to do pretty well.

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    I need to learn how to weld. I would start a company called "sixer" and just sell bomb assed 26in frames. I feel like I could make a killing.
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    I really doubt it.

    Quote Originally Posted by y0bailey View Post
    I need to learn how to weld. I would start a company called "sixer" and just sell bomb assed 26in frames. I feel like I could make a killing.
    I really doubt it.

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    I think its great to have those choices out there. My wife started on a 29 but never really liked it she's on a 650b now and loves it.
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    We always make fun of each other both about our bikes and riding skills regardless of wheel size.

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    I'm on a 26 and wouldn't trade it for anything else at the moment. It's the lightest bike at the XC races and still takes big drops on the "fun" trails. It awarded me ALL the KOM's at the local trail and too many to count at others. I won my age group in Cat 1 at the local XC series and got 6th overall including pro/elite Cats. Ebay is full of 26" parts and much less expensive than LBS. So, what would I gain by getting a different bike? Weight?

    I know I will eventually be on a bike with wheels other 26". As the manufacturers put their R&D dollars into 29 and now 27.5, the quality and weight will improve while 26 technology remains stagnant. Bigger wheeled bikes will be the obvious choice at some point. But for now, my 26 is doing fine and I have results to prove it.

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    I just bought a new fs 26er (Marin Mount Vision XM8) for well under half what the new 27.5ers and 29ers are selling for.

    I suppose by the time that one wears out, we'll be up to 36" wheels and short riders will be mounting embarcation ladders.

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    Here in Houston there is a pretty good sized off-road biking community. We have two major trail groupings (Anthills & Ho Chi Min) right here in the city so you see a lot of people out riding. I do roll a 10 year old 26" Giant I've rebuilt into a modern bike, all except the wheel size.

    Mostly people just ride and I've never had anyone comment about my bike one way or the other. We're all out there to get our kicks and don't do much standing around flapping our gums. I see everything from cheap big box store bikes to ten thousand dollar carbon 29ers out there and everybody pretty much does the same thing - rolls down the trail. Some better than others. But nobody's gonna stop to say anything other than offer assistance when one of us crashes, gets a flat, or needs help moving a downed tree or whatever.

    Just ride and enjoy what you've got. Don't worry about what everybody else has. How could you possibly know their decision criteria for what they ride? Rest assured it's not the same as yours. I have a very good reason for spending as much on rebuilding my ten year old 26" bike with all the choice bits I like as I would have spent on buying a fancy new 27.5 or 29. Probably wouldn't make sense to you but it makes me happy as hell. Yay!

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    There's no discrimination here really. Rather, I normally get people asking how old my frame is (1995 I assume, still an unknown frame. The Trek sticker is a lie), and they give good comments, and suggestions on how to make it ride better. Sometimes, they even offer to sell some parts I need for cheap.

    Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?-10397978_554226348022582_7975133550040354488_n.jpg

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    I just laugh at them. I am well past the point where I care about what some random ******** stranger on the trail thinks about me and what bike I ride.

    Besides -- laughing at them tends to piss them off, which is the best comeback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _CJ View Post
    I can barely go for a ride without running into some level of condescension from riders on "modern" bikes. Comments about how my bike is "old school", or "holy crap, you rode that, on that?!?!", and asking when I'm going to "upgrade".

    Funny how many of those idiots I've ridden off my wheel lately.
    Yeah, I get smugness as well. It usually comes when I drop their asses on the hill or the downhill! J/K. Really though, this topic just validates the point that the marketing seeds are planted well with a segment of the community that is based on wants more than needs.

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    After first posting I made a point to pay more attention when I'm riding to see who is the least "friendly" riders around my area. Surprisingly the 26s and 29ers were both really friendly, but I got more "smugness" from the single-speed guys more than anyone else. If you don't ride a single, you're lucky if you can get a "hi" out of them.

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    Are the single-speeders out-of-breath from pedaling downhill?

    I wouldn't know myself, I never see them on the trails here.

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    Re: Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?

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    Are the single-speeders out-of-breath from pedaling downhill?

    I wouldn't know myself, I never see them on the trails here.
    Don't know. I rarely ever see them outside the parking lot talking to other single-speeders.

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    Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?

    I would only worry about it if your girlfriend or wife is commenting about the size of your wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by y0bailey View Post
    I need to learn how to weld. I would start a company called "sixer" and just sell bomb assed 26in frames. I feel like I could make a killing.
    Guess you are gonna have to start manufacturing your own tires and forks. But hey, I have some old 26" stuff laying around, and it would be sweet to throw them on a sweet hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caboose302 View Post
    After first posting I made a point to pay more attention when I'm riding to see who is the least "friendly" riders around my area. Surprisingly the 26s and 29ers were both really friendly, but I got more "smugness" from the single-speed guys more than anyone else. If you don't ride a single, you're lucky if you can get a "hi" out of them.
    When I was a SS rider, I was a complete jerk to everyone. Now, I have eleven gears on my hard tail. I just got the nice guy award at my local trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by philip5296 View Post
    Here in Houston there is a pretty good sized off-road biking community. We have two major trail groupings (Anthills & Ho Chi Min) right here in the city so you see a lot of people out riding. I do roll a 10 year old 26" Giant I've rebuilt into a modern bike, all except the wheel size.

    Mostly people just ride and I've never had anyone comment about my bike one way or the other. We're all out there to get our kicks and don't do much standing around flapping our gums. I see everything from cheap big box store bikes to ten thousand dollar carbon 29ers out there and everybody pretty much does the same thing - rolls down the trail. Some better than others. But nobody's gonna stop to say anything other than offer assistance when one of us crashes, gets a flat, or needs help moving a downed tree or whatever.

    Just ride and enjoy what you've got. Don't worry about what everybody else has. How could you possibly know their decision criteria for what they ride? Rest assured it's not the same as yours. I have a very good reason for spending as much on rebuilding my ten year old 26" bike with all the choice bits I like as I would have spent on buying a fancy new 27.5 or 29. Probably wouldn't make sense to you but it makes me happy as hell. Yay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetimnstr575 View Post
    I love my mountain bike and mountain biking. I however couldn't ever imagine making a remark about whatever bike you ride let alone wheel size.
    If they some how come out with a 28" wheel then people will probably like that too.
    I mean come on if someone's remarks about wheel size bothers a person to begin with we have bigger issues on our hands.



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    650, 650a, 650b, 650c too

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    Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?

    You want to experience smug, bring an old school 7 speed steel frame road bike to a group ride. Those guys with $8000+ carbon bikes 15 lbs and under will sniff unless you can smoke their asses on your 25lbs antique. If you can do that why are you on an antique? Only a tiny minority of the carbon boys are poseurs with big wallets.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    You want to experience smug, bring an old school 7 speed steel frame road bike to a group ride. Those guys with $8000+ carbon bikes 15 lbs and under will sniff unless you can smoke their asses on your 25lbs antique. If you can do that why are you on an antique? Only a tiny minority of the carbon boys are poseurs with big wallets.

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    Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shakester View Post
    Some people thinks that getting the top of the line stuff is going to make them look more credible. Once a year, my friends and I haul our bass boats to Clear Lake for a friendly tournament. One year, my friend invited one of his Silicon Valley co-workers to join in. This guy showed up with his Hummer towing a top of the line, new Ranger Z22 boat, which is pretty much a $70K bass boat. First off, he was late, because he had to fill his Hummer up twice for the 300 mile drive, but when had absolutely no clue what he was doing out here. My boat is nothing to sneeze at but its 2005 (Skeeter ZX225), but he looked at my boat and made a pretty smug comment. I forgot what it was, but it was something in the lines of "time for a new boat, huh?" He also had all the high end fishing rods and reels (Daiwa Steez). I don't think he caught 1 fish the entire day.
    Hope you were able to shame the d-bag with your catch

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Hope you were able to shame the d-bag with your catch

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    I definitely out-fished the guy. I've been fishing for 20+ years. Sucks I didn't win the friendly $1000 prize though.

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    Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?

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    I definitely out-fished the guy. I've been fishing for 20+ years. Sucks I didn't win the friendly $1000 prize though.
    Don't know where you are, but I live in the Finger Lakes region, Upstate New York where there was a huge tournament last week on Cayuga Lake. I guess Pro Bass Fishing is huge across the country. Don't know enough about it to know what's cool and what's not, but do know that equipment poseurs who can't walk the walk exist in all sports. If they weren't pumping money into the Industry, they'd totally be scum sucking bottom feeders. Even dumping boat loads of Silicon Valley "petty cash" into the particular industry, they don't understand that you can't buy your way up the totem pole, gotta climb each rung all by yourself. Bravo to the ones who can do both, make money and still do well athletically. I did both and though I was never above B or maybe B+, I never sucked scum either.


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    It's hard to tell how smug someone is when I'm flying past them! ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbmaddux View Post
    "Now choose your favorite size, and be a dick about it"
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    I was gonna post the same thing when I saw the thread title.

    I can barely tell the difference by looking. Who cares? 90% of the folks I see on the trails with their $3,000+ 650s and 29s and Enduros and Konas and Fox shocks and Rock Shox and Doohiminey Dox go around the obstacles that I shred with my $650 Hardrock. I usually get smoked on the simple parts of the trail, but when it comes down to it, it's the size of the skills, not the wheels.

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    I think I may have caught a snide remark from a guy riding a 26er or it could have just been matter of fact. He was in front of me as we navigated an acute angle turn and I commented on how I disliked that turn. He told me it was because I was riding a 29er. Though the rest of that trail I had to be careful not to run over him dure some of the decents and climbs. I guess it's all a trade off.

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    That sounds like a guy joking, trying to be funny but you often have to know the individual a bit to understand if they are being a smart-ss or just being funny.

    My impression of most trail corners or most riding is it's more about one's skill, style or experience/ability than the number of spokes in your wheel-set, size of tire or color of the bike.
    Yet on any given bad day or one w/o coffee, I'd blame any one of those things.
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    My cousin whom I often ride with whips an older GT Avalanche 26" with a nice RockShox fork, some XT components, etc. Although he's 6ft tall and in plenty good shape to ride a larger wheel size, I doubt if he will ever make the jump to a bigger wheel. He also comes from a BMX background - so that's probably part of it. Frankly, he climbs better than I do and has a lot of balls, and I am a little more reserved, but handle the technical aspects better. By the way, I'm riding a Fuji Tahoe 29er... which has a bunch of great parts on it and handles fantastically - and I've had to stand up for the bike almost immediately when talking to people on higher end 29ers!! I think the point is.. no matter how sick your bike is.. the wheel size.. plethora of carbon parts, or completely rigid frame/SS... someone is going to find a way to be a smug ******* because people can be smug *******s. I think the consensus here is that most of us just absolutely LOVE to shred and clearly those people are out there for other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STLZM View Post
    My cousin whom I often ride with whips an older GT Avalanche 26" with a nice RockShox fork, some XT components, etc. Although he's 6ft tall and in plenty good shape to ride a larger wheel size, I doubt if he will ever make the jump to a bigger wheel. He also comes from a BMX background - so that's probably part of it. Frankly, he climbs better than I do and has a lot of balls, and I am a little more reserved, but handle the technical aspects better. By the way, I'm riding a Fuji Tahoe 29er... which has a bunch of great parts on it and handles fantastically - and I've had to stand up for the bike almost immediately when talking to people on higher end 29ers!! I think the point is.. no matter how sick your bike is.. the wheel size.. plethora of carbon parts, or completely rigid frame/SS... someone is going to find a way to be a smug ******* because people can be smug *******s. I think the consensus here is that most of us just absolutely LOVE to shred and clearly those people are out there for other reasons.
    Good points.
    I've run a few numbers on bikes and if doing so correctly, I come up with gearing (ratios that are 'corrected') for the 29" making them match many of the 26" set ups. If so, this would mean the pedaling (powering) the bike shouldn't be much if any different in those cases.
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    I was looked down upon by a guy riding a Surly Krampus while riding on Sunday. Of course, I was passing him, and he was a fairly small fellow, but still on account of the bike, he was WAY UP THERE!

    Oh, yes.......and I was riding my lowly old 26" 1X10 Joker; not the speediest steed in the stable.

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    I don't know the first thing about Surly bikes but if they promote, enhance or expect the namesake to be part of the ownership experience, I think we should allow a pass for a grouchy or brusque attitude. Just them though.

    At least they didn't brand the bikes 'Pissy' although I suppose that attitude played out wouldn't differ much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    You want to experience smug, bring an old school 7 speed steel frame road bike to a group ride. Those guys with $8000+ carbon bikes 15 lbs and under will sniff unless you can smoke their asses on your 25lbs antique. If you can do that why are you on an antique? Only a tiny minority of the carbon boys are poseurs with big wallets.


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    Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iamrockandroll13 View Post
    Going unshaved on a competitive road ride on a steel bike with downtube shifters and smoking the **** out of everyone is one of the most satisfying experiences a mountain biker can have.
    Even better if you wear a camelbak.
    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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    Just got back from a nice little shakedown ride on my brand new 26" SS. I was shocked that I wasn't gang raped by a pack of wild lycra race kit wearing 29er riders. Lucky me I guess.

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    Has anyone riding a 26 experienced smug on the trail?

    Quote Originally Posted by big_slacker View Post
    Just got back from a nice little shakedown ride on my brand new 26" SS. I was shocked that I wasn't gang raped by a pack of wild lycra race kit wearing 29er riders. Lucky me I guess.
    New 26" SS about as rare as an honest politician. Just think of all the hype you resisted going with that little pony, new. Bravo. Hope you smoked a few of the 29'ers.

    I have an antique 26" SS circa 1990's, rigid fork, no disc tabs, sub 20 lbs. You really don't know "flickable" till you've ridden a light 26" SS, eh? Hate to admit how rarely this bike sees action anymore.
    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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