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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    In the bombardment of new wheel sizes 27.5-650B, 29er.... So many choices, so much to look at and so many new bikes on the market...

    As i get on my 26er i feel the tires have shrunk since the last time on the trail! But as I roll off into the wilderness and gett in to the zone i am struck; man are they fast and man they carve like crazy!

    Has anyone else found that amid all the wheel size debates the good old 26er is still a heck of alot of fun?

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    the wheel size debacle is 100% BS. run whatever wheel you have. I only need 1 ride to get comfortable switching between 29 and 26. whatever I ride twice in a row, is what I am fastest on.

    it is 100% pure bullcrap that you need some specific size. run what ya brung.

    variety is good and fun, but 'need' ???? no one needs anything other than a working bike. how it is built is all up to personal preference and available funds.

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    I still fondly recall riding, I think, Stanley Gap, GA on a rigid 26er. I was totally "in the zone" that day and I was riding with other guys equal to myself, albeit slightly more fit. One guy had an early 29er, and everyone had suspension of one kind or another. The whole week stands out in my memory, but that day still ranks near the top of my all-time great rides. I doubt wheel size had anything to do with it, though.
    But yeah, the idea that a 26er "can't" or "is no longer relevant" is absurd.


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    Re: The Good Ol' 26er?

    I feel owning and riding both a 26er and a 29er is similar to when I cruised on my longboard and shredded on my skateboard. Each is fun in its own regard and each have their own feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvrbreeze View Post
    In the bombardment of new wheel sizes 27.5-650B, 29er.... So many choices, so much to look at and so many new bikes on the market...

    As i get on my 26er i feel the tires have shrunk since the last time on the trail! But as I roll off into the wilderness and gett in to the zone i am struck; man are they fast and man they carve like crazy!

    Has anyone else found that amid all the wheel size debates the good old 26er is still a heck of alot of fun?
    Contrary to what bike industry propaganda would have you believe, 26" is BY FAR the dominant mountain bike wheel size, due to installed base. 29er's have only been outselling them (fractionally) for about 18 months or so. 650b is still virtually non-existant.

    Sales of 26" wheel mountain bikes will recover strongly in the next year or so, and they will once again become the top seller by 2016.

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    The worst thing going for the 27.5 "standard" is that bike prices have shot way up in the past couple of years, so I'd venture to guess that volume is going to go down as well. Granted, I don't know the bike industry financials, but it's going to be a lot harder for the industry to prop up another wheel standard (as well as the accompanying parts) when a decent new bike starts at $2000+.

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    I still love my 26ers and prefer the way they feel. I like the "other" wheelsizes but i still ride my 26ers everywhere.
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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    The sad thing about the whole wheel size argument is how the bike industry is using what they shoved down our throats as BENEFITS of 29ers as the reasons 29ers are now obsolete.


    Watching videos of "industry reps" telling us that 650b wheels are 'quicker, lighter, and stronger' than those big, bulky unwieldy 29ers they sold us 2 years ago while barely able to keep from smirking is a joke.

    Oh, and how much easier is it to design frames around 650b for small riders? Really? The same small riders you spent years convincing would be fine on a bike with 29" stand over and a -25 deg stem?

    And people believed every word.../boggle

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    I was debating a similar topic with a friend on one of our last rides; when you're discussing bikes on the net, looking at catalogues, comparing geometry, wheel sizes, suspension designs, handlebar widths etc etc, it all seems so important and drastic and confusing, but get on any half-decent bike and get some dirt under the wheels and for the most part it disappears. I'd love to try out one of these new 650b slack and long 'all mountain' bikes, and I'm sure it would probably give me a slight boost in confidence and speed on my favourite trails. But at the end of the day I still really enjoy riding my 26" wheeled 5spot with its old-fashioned geometry, not because it is (or isn't) a great bike, but simply because riding bikes is fun.

    Riding a new/expensive bike might make you faster, but unless your current bike is seriously lacking it isn't going to make you have any more fun.

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    The Good Ol' 26er

    Still my "other bike" no plans to get rid of it......2008 Trance X2 pushing 6,000 miles now and going strong..... Just have to get used to it again after riding the 29ers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post


    Sales of 26" wheel mountain bikes will recover strongly in the next year or so, and they will once again become the top seller by 2016.
    Please don't hold your breath on regards to that comment, I can pretty much guarantee that won't happen.

    What one poster said, ride what you got, they're all good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Still my "other bike" no plans to get rid of it......2008 Trance X2 pushing 6,000 miles now and going strong..... Just have to get used to it again after riding the 29ers!

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    I know what you mean. Rode my 7 year old Blur yesterday for the first time in a while. Still love that bike, even though I have been mostly riding the newer 29er. I could never get rid of the Blur.

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    My good ol' 26er's better be fun. They are very good bikes and certainly old and the only mtb's I own. I'm ready for a new bike next year after a decade or more on my current rides and I'm pretty sure at least one ol' 26er will be gone and replaced by, gasp!, 29" wheels.

    Whatever and wherever I ride is fun though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    Please don't hold your breath on regards to that comment, I can pretty much guarantee that won't happen.
    Well, in that case, I guarantee you are wrong. So there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    when you're discussing bikes on the net, looking at catalogues, comparing geometry, wheel sizes, suspension designs, handlebar widths etc etc, it all seems so important and drastic and confusing, but get on any half-decent bike and get some dirt under the wheels and for the most part it disappears.
    Best comment in this thread.

    When I was building up my current bike in 2012 (a 26", too, gasp!) I created a spreadsheet for each and every component. That spreadsheet included the published weight of each part. I spent hours agonizing over whether this carbon bar was worth the $19 more to save 40 grams. CRITICAL DECISIONS right?

    Ha! Not even close. Half way up a 45 minute climb in the North Georgia mountains and my handlebar choice is the LEAST of my concerns. Wheel size is similar.

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    Great post:
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    The sad thing about the whole wheel size argument is how the bike industry is using what they shoved down our throats as BENEFITS of 29ers as the reasons 29ers are now obsolete.

    Watching videos of "industry reps" telling us that 650b wheels are 'quicker, lighter, and stronger' than those big, bulky unwieldy 29ers they sold us 2 years ago while barely able to keep from smirking is a joke.

    Oh, and how much easier is it to design frames around 650b for small riders? Really? The same small riders you spent years convincing would be fine on a bike with 29" stand over and a -25 deg stem?

    And people believed every word.../boggle
    Bike industry can get away with that because mountain bikers are SHEEP!

    Riders will agonize and debate with one another every little detail on their bike. This is after all the internet, where everyone is an EXPERT.

    Then they get on the trail where they are just another mediocre rider who cannot actually tell the difference in ride between 26er and 27.5, between 32mm stanctions vs 35mm, or any number of other choices they wasted so much time and effort on.

    But no doubt they they get right back on the internet after the ride to tell everyone how much difference that upgrade made and give themselves a big pat on the back for making such an awesome choice.

    SHEEP!

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    Even though alot of us are still holding onto and riding our 26ers, I wonder what percentage of people are buying them at this point. Also, what can we expect in the next 5 years or less for a 26? Extinction or just a lack of parts available?

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    1. It's a good time to walk into a shop with cash (!!) on hand and hard bargain for 26er stock. You can get a lot of bike right now, and most shops are eager to unload their 1-2-3 year old 26er stock.

    2. The bike industry never really fell in love with the 29ers and was dragged into mass producing them kicking and screaming (in one of the greatest 'grass roots' consumer movements in manufacturing history…think of all the nearly defunct small companies that had a brief second life when the Big Companies dragged on meeting big wheeled demand).

    3. Quite differently (and surprisingly) from the 29er movement, the bike industry is eager and overboard with the 650b designs (and not because of an overwhelming grassroots demand). I mean, companies like Giant, completely scrapping whole lines in one season and releasing dozens of 650b bikes? I am quite stunned by how quickly all the major players have gone 'all-in' with the middle wheel-size, especially when I think of how sullen they were about offering up serious 29ers with quality components just a few short years ago.

    As to what is better or not and if the 26er is still relevant: All wheel sizes can produce a great ride under a great rider…scooping up 'unwanted' 26er bikes might just be the deal of the decade.

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    My worry with the trend of the bike companies taking the 26" models off their lines, new tires, forks, wheels, etc. not being released in a 26" variety. That I am going to be forced to replace the bike I love, with a new one, because I can't get replacement parts. I hope the resurgence of the 26" only takes 2 years, but I don't think it is going to move that fast. Since I don't buy bikes very often, my current bike is a 2002, just replacement and upgrade parts, shoppers like me don't have much of an influence on what the market is going to do.

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    My tires should last a while, just need inner tube availability, and if my fork goes down, another fork.

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    I bought 10 sets of 26" tubeless ready nevegal pros. A few hoops from stans. And I'm future proof until my frame gives out. Got some incredible deals online due to the trend shift. Built a xtr level rig for 1 grand less

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    turbodog, I'll bet you one reputation block I'm right, but we'll have to wait a year or two I guess.
    Just don't take it too seriously though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin_Federline View Post
    I bought 10 sets of 26" tubeless ready nevegal pros. A few hoops from stans. And I'm future proof until my frame gives out. Got some incredible deals online due to the trend shift. Built a xtr level rig for 1 grand less
    Your concerns are the same as mine. I am not worried about the availability of anything but tires, and maybe rims. However, just make sure you store those extra tires properly. You don't want them dry rotting on you. Ten sets is a lot of years, and that 9th or 10th set might not be all that great when you get around to riding them.

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    Probably 4 years or less. I put 1400 hard miles and 5000 easy miles a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Contrary to what bike industry propaganda would have you believe, 26" is BY FAR the dominant mountain bike wheel size, due to installed base. 29er's have only been outselling them (fractionally) for about 18 months or so. 650b is still virtually non-existant.

    Sales of 26" wheel mountain bikes will recover strongly in the next year or so, and they will once again become the top seller by 2016.
    First paragraph = yes. Second = wrong.

    As was noted above, the major players have already shifted production away from 26 and tooling is in the process of being changed across the board. 27.5 and 29 will dominate, for better or worse. What will get difficult to find soon is straight steerer tube forks that are actually worth purchasing. If you think you'll need a new fork in the next two years buy it now.

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    I'm going to wait until the dust clears and than re-evaluate. In the mean time I have no intention of buying another mountain bike for at least another 2 years, and love the way my 26 looks and rides. I don't race and I don't care what others ride.

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    Here's my 26er.

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    And here it is with 29" wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Here's my 26er.

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    Nice. Didn't know you can put 29er wheels on a 26 frame.

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    Don't let the bike industry tell you what wheel size to ride. If you like 26 inch wheels, then ride them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    Don't let the bike industry tell you what wheel size to ride. If you like 26 inch wheels, then ride them.
    back to say very true

    Bike shops and bike makers will always change direction, just go to Interbike every year and talk to everyone driving these changes.

    But... chasing these changes is entirely 100% optional. It is fun if you can afford it...but be sure to always watch out for the dude wearing cut-off jeans and a concrete 1950's Schwinn with coaster brake on the trail who is about to drop you, and your 'high-zoot' new fangled wheel bike, stone cold in the dust...

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    But this is exactly what you are doing! You are a SHEEP TOO! You ride the latest and greatest (Ibis Mojo and Knolly). Put 5 different kinds of Gravity seatpost on your bike and tell everyone one on the internet how awesome each one was. But meanwhile, you bought these parts you put on your bike based on the research that you did on the internet who you are accusing/name calling SHEEPS! Then you get on the internet and you call everyone sheeps that doesn't buy or ride the same wheel size/parts that you do? Didn't you tell me once you wish you had a 29er for bikepacking? SHEEP.

    Don't pat yourself on the back just yet Vern Troyer because, you focus and spend way too much time worrying and thinking about other mediocre riders out there. Meanwhile, you are just a mediocre rider yourself claiming to be an expert. So before you call other people sheeps, i suggest looking in front of the mirror. Dont be so JADED

    I've ridden all 3 different size bikes and my wife only rides a 29er (since we started riding in 2009) We are both having and loads of fun. i switch off different bikes from time to time and use all 3 in different applications.



    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Great post:

    Bike industry can get away with that because mountain bikers are SHEEP!

    Riders will agonize and debate with one another every little detail on their bike. This is after all the internet, where everyone is an EXPERT.

    Then they get on the trail where they are just another mediocre rider who cannot actually tell the difference in ride between 26er and 27.5, between 32mm stanctions vs 35mm, or any number of other choices they wasted so much time and effort on.

    But no doubt they they get right back on the internet after the ride to tell everyone how much difference that upgrade made and give themselves a big pat on the back for making such an awesome choice.

    SHEEP!

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    I just don't understand why everyone feels the need to pick a side...they are all good for different things. 29" rigid single speed on a modern frame geo is pretty nifty. 27.5" 160mm full suspension bikes are fairly rad for shredding all mountain terrain. And for the smooth and twisty stuff you can't really beat a 26" bike. There's a lot of things that factor into what wheelsize is best for a given application but with an unlimited budget for a stable of bikes, I bet you all would have a little bit of everything floating around.
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    I use my one and only bike, a 26 hard tail, for everything. I don't do technical, but I'm finally dialed in with my bike after making several small adjustments. I can't wait to get out and ride when I wake up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott forty G. View Post
    But this is exactly what you are doing! You are a SHEEP TOO! You ride the latest and greatest (Ibis Mojo and Knolly). Put 5 different kinds of Gravity seatpost on your bike and tell everyone one on the internet how awesome each one was. But meanwhile, you bought these parts you put on your bike based on the research that you did on the internet who you are accusing/name calling SHEEPS! Then you get on the internet and you call everyone sheeps that doesn't buy or ride the same wheel size/parts that you do? Didn't you tell me once you wish you had a 29er for bikepacking? SHEEP.

    Don't pat yourself on the back just yet Vern Troyer because, you focus and spend way too much time worrying and thinking about other mediocre riders out there. Meanwhile, you are just a mediocre rider yourself claiming to be an expert. So before you call other people sheeps, i suggest looking in front of the mirror. Dont be so JADED

    I've ridden all 3 different size bikes and my wife only rides a 29er (since we started riding in 2009) We are both having and loads of fun. i switch off different bikes from time to time and use all 3 in different applications.
    I've been riding since 1992 and don't own a dropper seatpost. Am I cool yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I've been riding since 1992 and don't own a dropper seatpost. Am I cool yet?
    Only if you never had bar ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumpityBump View Post
    Only if you never had bar ends.
    Damn, I was close to being cool! Mine were purple anodized, does that make up for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    Nice. Didn't know you can put 29er wheels on a 26 frame.
    You can on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    First paragraph = yes. Second = wrong.

    As was noted above, the major players have already shifted production away from 26 and tooling is in the process of being changed across the board. 27.5 and 29 will dominate, for better or worse. What will get difficult to find soon is straight steerer tube forks that are actually worth purchasing. If you think you'll need a new fork in the next two years buy it now.
    I'm having that problem now.

    Well, it could be because I am broke and trying to find a deal on a high end fork for about $200, but it is getting harder to find new production with a straight tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post

    Sales of 26" wheel mountain bikes will recover strongly in the next year or so, and they will once again become the top seller by 2016.
    You're just telling yourself this over and over again to make yourself believe it. 650B is the new 26, 29" is in a class of its own. I bet in 2016 there will be no 26" wheeled bike left (except for in Walmart and Kmart). 650B is only 1" bigger in diameter, it isn't that much bigger than a 26" and if you rode on you couldn't tell the difference.

    EDIT: Fat Bikes are still 26", so theoretically 26" will live on.

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    I enjoy riding my 29er enduro. At 6'4" I finally have a bike that fits me. At our group rides, I see all make and models and sizes. 3 wheel sizes, SS, 1x10 old school hardtails too. Ride what you got. I do like the fact that for me, my 29er climbs better and goes over the rocks roots and logs easier.

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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    Nobody is going to make a 650b DJ or slopestyle bike.

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    The 29er is too big a ride. If I'm going 29er I might as well go cyclocross. 28 would be perfect if they ever decided to make one, but I'm happy with my 26 which I won't be giving up anytime soon. If I'm going to go bigger, I want a 28.

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    Sales of 26" wheel mountain bikes will recover strongly in the next year or so, and they will once again become the top seller by 2016.[/QUOTE]

    I'd wager $5000 that you are wrong. Winner can afford a new bicycle! I'd buy a 29er. You have 3 years if you accept the bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I've been riding since 1992 and don't own a dropper seatpost. Am I cool yet?
    It's gonna take more than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BumpityBump View Post
    Only if you never had bar ends.
    I still have them on my fatbike. I actually have bar ends on a few bikes but I only ride the fatbike anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    You're just telling yourself this over and over again to make yourself believe it. 650B is the new 26, 29" is in a class of its own. I bet in 2016 there will be no 26" wheeled bike left (except for in Walmart and Kmart). 650B is only 1" bigger in diameter, it isn't that much bigger than a 26" and if you rode on you couldn't tell the difference.

    EDIT: Fat Bikes are still 26", so theoretically 26" will live on.
    LOL, keep dreaming kiddo. 650b is going to steal sales from the 29er market.

    People who know what's up will continue buying 26" just like they always have, and a good number of 29er's are already coming back to 26".

    Most serious riders see 650b for the marketing scam that it is.

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    I have not measured, but what's the difference on my 26er with big rims and 2.5 tires to 27.5's?

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    I predict that in five years time 650b will be the "default" size, but many companies will still be making 26" wheeled bikes mostly for the AM/FR/DH/slopestyle market, and we will still be having vigorous debates about which is best and when the 26" wheel is finally going to die out or make a comeback against 650b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    LOL, keep dreaming kiddo. 650b is going to steal sales from the 29er market.

    People who know what's up will continue buying 26" just like they always have, and a good number of 29er's are already coming back to 26".

    Most serious riders see 650b for the marketing scam that it is.
    I agree 650b is a scam. Most people buy them because they believe the marketing lies, but 29ers will not die, unless you are listening to Giant, the absolute worst bike brand ever.
    26" is dieing, how many times do we have to tell you this? And 650b will not take over 29". Too many people ride 29ers for that to happen. 29ers are best and I have bikes with both wheel sizes. I can't imagine riding 27" wheeled bikes. They're too close to 26" to be a replacement for 29" and that would be a stupid thing for bike companies to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc865 View Post
    Nice. Didn't know you can put 29er wheels on a 26 frame.
    A buddy of mine got a set of 29er hoops with his Framed Minnesota. He uses the 29s when roaming in the summer and 26 fats when rolling in the winter. It's a lil weird seeing the width clearance he has with 29s.

    To the point, ride what you got. I got a couple 26ers and they're just fine.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    I predict that in five years time 650b will be the "default" size, but many companies will still be making 26" wheeled bikes mostly for the AM/FR/DH/slopestyle market, and we will still be having vigorous debates about which is best and when the 26" wheel is finally going to die out or make a comeback against 650b.
    Nah, 650b is going to die off pretty quickly when mountain bike sales tank this spring and summer because of it.

    650b is being pushed by Taiwan bike makers, Giant's parent company and whomever makes Trek (partly Giant). They are pretty annoyed about having to supply both 29er's and 26". They'd like to kill off both and just have 650b. Fact is though, that's a fools errand. The people who like 29er's (XC racers and dirt roadies) are pretty much rabid about them and won't step down to 650b. Real trail riders are still riding 26", or will come back to 26" after being sold a 29er that didn't work for them.

    Once the fanboys and trendy people with deep pockets are done, there will be nobody else left to buy 650b, and sales will fall off a cliff. I mean seriously, who is stupid and gullible enough to buy into this fabricated push into a completely new and only slightly different wheel size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Great post:

    Bike industry can get away with that because mountain bikers are SHEEP!

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    SHEEP!
    So I'm sensing you don't hold mountain bikers in such high regard then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I agree 650b is a scam. Most people buy them because they believe the marketing lies, but 29ers will not die, unless you are listening to Giant, the absolute worst bike brand ever.
    26" is dieing, how many times do we have to tell you this? And 650b will not take over 29". Too many people ride 29ers for that to happen. 29ers are best and I have bikes with both wheel sizes. I can't imagine riding 27" wheeled bikes. They're too close to 26" to be a replacement for 29" and that would be a stupid thing for bike companies to do.
    Actually, market percentage of 26" sales is curently growing.

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    "Actually, market percentage of 26" sales is currently growing."

    You got that information where? Does that figure include big box and related low end bikes? When I go into a bike shop, I hardly see any 26" bikes for sale so, except for leftovers being blown out, where are people getting them. DH is not that significant a segment of the mountain bike market.

    I'm not interested what is better, latest, greatest or anything like that. I just don't understand where you got your information? Was it from a retailer service that reports on what was sold last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    "Actually, market percentage of 26" sales is currently growing."

    You got that information where? Does that figure include big box and related low end bikes? When I go into a bike shop, I hardly see any 26" bikes for sale so, except for leftovers being blown out, where are people getting them. DH is not that significant a segment of the mountain bike market.

    I'm not interested what is better, latest, greatest or anything like that. I just don't understand where you got your information? Was it from a retailer service that reports on what was sold last year?
    **In APRIL 2014, 26" MTB GAINED 5% MARKET SHARE VS. THE MONTH PRIOR, WHILE 650b MTB LOST 3% MARKET SHARE.**

    http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discu...l#post11248692

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    **In APRIL 2014, 26" MTB GAINED 5% MARKET SHARE VS. THE MONTH PRIOR, WHILE 650b MTB LOST 3% MARKET SHARE.**

    http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discu...l#post11248692
    Where are people buying the 26" bikes? Nobody is selling them unless you go to Walmart I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Once the fanboys and trendy people with deep pockets are done, there will be nobody else left to buy 650b, and sales will fall off a cliff. I mean seriously, who is stupid and gullible enough to buy into this fabricated push into a completely new and only slightly different wheel size?
    I think you're assuming the majority of people buying new 650b-wheeled bikes are doing so solely because of the wheel size. I ride a 26" wheeled bike (5spot) and will probably do so for a while yet, simply because I don't feel the need (or have the cash) to upgrade a relatively new bike that still suits my needs. When I do replace it, it will most likely be with a 650b simply because there is more of them in the kind of bike I want (Burner, Bronson, Mach6, Warden, etc vs SB66 and?). I think most people are realising that there is such a marginal difference between the 26" and 650b that they're dropping the wheel-size-fanaticism and buying bikes based on what feels best.

    Banshee offer the Rune and Spitfire with replaceable drop-outs that can take both 26" and 650b. Have a read on the build threads for both bikes and see how many people (experienced riders who value quality hand-made bikes over mass-produced market-hyped Taiwan stuff) are running 27.5" instead of 26", with comments like "it is simply a better bike with the larger wheels".

    You've obviously got a grudge, but I doubt the industry would ever let something like this die after investing so much time/money/R&D into it. I knew a guy who had a similar attitude to yours about trigger shifters when they first came out, he bought ever last pair of XT thumb shifters he could find and was using them for years after they stopped making them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie88 View Post
    Where are people buying the 26" bikes? Nobody is selling them unless you go to Walmart I guess.
    I'm quoting figures that come from bike dealers, not chain stores.

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    I need therapy....

    I'm 55, came to mt. biking late and love it. I have a Giant Warp that I have upgraded top to bottom with 2nd hand parts: a Sherman fork, XT wheels, tubeless tires, dropper post, etc. Its kind of a tank and bobs like you know what out of the saddle.

    I want to take my riding to the next level.

    My question is do I buy a secondhand top of the line 26" wheel bike for cheap ($1500+/-) and get a lot of design and component value (for example a Heckler or Pivot Mach 5) or hold out for a new entry level 27.5 or 29er at $3,000+/-?

    I don't think we are going to stop seeing 26" stock in my riding lifetime....

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    Re: The Good Ol' 26er?

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I'm quoting figures that come from bike dealers, not chain stores.
    Is this what you do all day turbodog? Troll every thread that has "26er" in the title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    Is this what you do all day turbodog? Troll every thread that has "26er" in the title?
    Yep, my guess would be when turbodog should be working.

    Over on the General forum they bumped another 26" thread after 6 days of inactivity just to blather on about their agenda. No proof of their "facts". No way to prove what's going to happen in 2 years even though it's never going to happen the way they hope and pray. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe their actions.

    I'm thinking turdodog can't ride a bike with bigger than 26" wheels because they are so diminutive. A Napoleon complex perhaps? Whatever the problem is I'm sure the clinical term is hard to spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott forty G. View Post
    i switch off different bikes from time to time and use all 3 in different applications.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iamrockandroll13 View Post
    ...but with an unlimited budget for a stable of bikes, I bet you all would have a little bit of everything floating around.
    Of all the noise that tends to stir up whenever the 26er debate comes up, the above quoted items are the 2 thoughts that resonate with me. I'd love to have a rack full of bikes and just pick whichever one seemed to fit the venue I was going to be riding today. I have both 26" and 29" bikes. There are a lot of other differences besides the size of the wheels and I do select which bike to ride based on the venue. But, my quiver is not as full as that "unlimited budget" would permit.

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    Some of the stuff in this thread is downright comical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Some of the stuff in this thread is downright comical.
    Pretty much every thread turdodog participates in becomes a comedy.

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    People are apparently buying 26" bikes being blown out at low prices to make room for 27.5" in the shops I deal with. I still ride two 26" but I'm not so blind as to believe that 27.5" won't replace 26".

    You don't have to like it but that is the trend. Like others have already said, wait until 2014 is over to determine if 27.5" will replace 26" and wait until 2015 to see how many 26" are still produced outside of DH and big box bikes.

    Also, look at current offerings from big companies like Giant, Trek, Specialized, Santa Cruz, etc. etc. etc. The number of 26" bikes with high end builds are all but dead. That is a fact. Anyone can make number say anything they like. What was sold in April vs. March is a blip and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Yep, my guess would be when turbodog should be working.

    Over on the General forum they bumped another 26" thread after 6 days of inactivity just to blather on about their agenda. No proof of their "facts". No way to prove what's going to happen in 2 years even though it's never going to happen the way they hope and pray. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe their actions.

    I'm thinking turdodog can't ride a bike with bigger than 26" wheels because they are so diminutive. A Napoleon complex perhaps? Whatever the problem is I'm sure the clinical term is hard to spell.
    Reported for personal attacks.

    You bring nothing to the table here, just a steady stream of baiting personal attacks. Here are your last six posts, all of which are stalking and abusing me:

    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Ever try a 29er? Nope? End of story. You have no credibility.

    Now go get a life.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Pretty much every thread turdodog participates in becomes a comedy.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Yep, my guess would be when turbodog should be working.

    Over on the General forum they bumped another 26" thread after 6 days of inactivity just to blather on about their agenda. No proof of their "facts". No way to prove what's going to happen in 2 years even though it's never going to happen the way they hope and pray. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe their actions.

    I'm thinking turdodog can't ride a bike with bigger than 26" wheels because they are so diminutive. A Napoleon complex perhaps? Whatever the problem is I'm sure the clinical term is hard to spell.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Yes so everyone knows who is stirring the pot on this thread and how credible they are.

    Here is turdodog's direct quote from a previous sh!t stirring thread that turdodog started. Didn't have the balls to continue that thread so has hijacked this one.
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    Getting lonely under the bridge where you live turdodog? Just had to stir that pot for attention didn't ya? What a sad existence.
    I think it's pretty clear who has a problem here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Reported for personal attacks. Try to behave like a civilized person.

    But clearly, you are an industry shill.
    Must have been right on the money to elicit such a response.

    Looks like 26" wheels to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    People are apparently buying 26" bikes being blown out at low prices to make room for 27.5" in the shops I deal with. I still ride two 26" but I'm not so blind as to believe that 27.5" won't replace 26".

    You don't have to like it but that is the trend. Like others have already said, wait until 2014 is over to determine if 27.5" will replace 26" and wait until 2015 to see how many 26" are still produced outside of DH and big box bikes.

    Also, look at current offerings from big companies like Giant, Trek, Specialized, Santa Cruz, etc. etc. etc. The number of 26" bikes with high end builds are all but dead. That is a fact. Anyone can make number say anything they like. What was sold in April vs. March is a blip and nothing more.
    Still high end 26" out there:

    Specialized Bicycle Components
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    Mojo SL-R | Bikes
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    ...and more, last time I looked.

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    Yawn................

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Must have been right on the money to elicit such a response.

    Looks like 26" wheels to me.

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    And look! Turbodog's 26er is a beach cruiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Great post:

    Bike industry can get away with that because mountain bikers are SHEEP!

    Riders will agonize and debate with one another every little detail on their bike. This is after all the internet, where everyone is an EXPERT.

    Then they get on the trail where they are just another mediocre rider who cannot actually tell the difference in ride between 26er and 27.5, between 32mm stanctions vs 35mm, or any number of other choices they wasted so much time and effort on.

    But no doubt they they get right back on the internet after the ride to tell everyone how much difference that upgrade made and give themselves a big pat on the back for making such an awesome choice.

    SHEEP!
    You're missing the point of mountain biking. For most of us it's an enjoyable hobby that combines the outdoors, good exercise, and aesthetically pleasing bicycles. It is not life or death, buying new bikes and components doesn't make us angry or bitter, and we don't necessarily find fulfillment in grimly pedaling the cheapest bike we could find down the trail.

    In fact (as I've said), I like spending money on bikes and components. I certainly have to pay a lot of money for things that I don't want to spend money on.

    The debate over the details is part of the fun. And I can tell the difference between parts.

    Mediocre is also the wrong word to use. It implies that there is some purpose to the whole thing when in fact it's just a very interesting recreational activity.

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    Has "Pete" come back as "Turbodog?" If you remember "Pete" you will understand the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I think it's pretty clear who has a problem here.

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    Yep it is clear. You have a tremendous problem there.

    Hey wait a second ... I finally figured it out. You're not Napoleon .... you're .... turbodog the Oompa Loompa. Explains the Willy Wonka fixation as well as the inability to ride a big wheeled bike. So obvious now.

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    Benefits of wheel size can, and will likely always be debatable. What we are witnessing, is a huge marketing push towards 27.5 right now as manufacturers see a new market segment to exploit. There's a LOT of hype.

    After this dust settles I do believe, that in time, a resurgence of the "benefits of the 26 wheel" will come full circle - giving yet again another opportunity for marketing exploitation.

    The point is.... I don't have a point.

    Buy what you like. Ride what you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Yep it is clear. You have a tremendous problem there.

    Hey wait a second ... I finally figured it out. You're not Napoleon .... you're .... turbodog the Oompa Loompa. Explains the Willy Wonka fixation as well as the inability to ride a big wheeled bike. So obvious now.

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    He is an Oompa-Loompa. He never leaves the factory so he doesn't see or understand new trends, but even if he did leave he wouldn't fit on a larger wheel size anyway, and I agree with the Willy Wonka addiction. Either that or he's a short little kid lying about his age and experience and is jealous of our new fancy bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    Benefits of wheel size can, and will likely always be debatable. What we are witnessing, is a huge marketing push towards 27.5 right now as manufacturers see a new market segment to exploit. There's a LOT of hype.

    After this dust settles I do believe, that in time, a resurgence of the "benefits of the 26 wheel" will come full circle - giving yet again another opportunity for marketing exploitation.
    It's all hype!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    LOL, keep dreaming kiddo. 650b is going to steal sales from the 29er market.

    People who know what's up will continue buying 26" just like they always have, and a good number of 29er's are already coming back to 26".

    Most serious riders see 650b for the marketing scam that it is.
    Why all the butthurt over wheel size? Seems trite. There are a lot of long time riders that aren't just buying 650b and 29ers because they are suckered in by a scam, myself included. Variety is the spice of life, eh? I'm just glad I have the opportunity to own a bike and ride great trails, period. That's what mountain biking was originally about anyway, tweaking and trying new things. That feeling of enjoyment hasn't changed for most people just because of technological change as far as I'm concerned. Be glad we live a free life with choices, it could be far worse.

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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    and a good number of 29er's are already coming back to 26".
    You love to post sources, so....

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    I got the Minion 2.5 29er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Nah, 650b is going to die off pretty quickly when mountain bike sales tank this spring and summer because of it.

    650b is being pushed by Taiwan bike makers, Giant's parent company and whomever makes Trek (partly Giant). They are pretty annoyed about having to supply both 29er's and 26". They'd like to kill off both and just have 650b. Fact is though, that's a fools errand. The people who like 29er's (XC racers and dirt roadies) are pretty much rabid about them and won't step down to 650b. Real trail riders are still riding 26", or will come back to 26" after being sold a 29er that didn't work for them.

    Once the fanboys and trendy people with deep pockets are done, there will be nobody else left to buy 650b, and sales will fall off a cliff. I mean seriously, who is stupid and gullible enough to buy into this fabricated push into a completely new and only slightly different wheel size?
    But Kona and Santa Cruz are pushing up production on the next round of tweeners? Also, Gwinn has been doing some of the cup on a 7ish inch travel 650b. I am skeptical of new things mountain bike. But between the bikes evolving around this wheel and the amount of them I'm seeing at the trailhead, I have to believe this is going to stay around for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumpityBump View Post
    Why all the butthurt over wheel size? Seems trite. There are a lot of long time riders that aren't just buying 650b and 29ers because they are suckered in by a scam, myself included. Variety is the spice of life, eh? I'm just glad I have the opportunity to own a bike and ride great trails, period. That's what mountain biking was originally about anyway, tweaking and trying new things. That feeling of enjoyment hasn't changed for most people just because of technological change as far as I'm concerned. Be glad we live a free life with choices, it could be far worse.
    I feel personally insulted by a segment of the bike industry, for obvious reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I got the Minion 2.5 29er.
    Nice. How's that working for you? Amazing tires.

    They are claimed at just over 1000g, bit heavy? My 2.3's are 750g in 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I feel personally insulted by a segment of the bike industry, for obvious reasons.
    I think you should write them, the segment of the bike industry responsible, a strongly worded letter detailing the pain and suffering you are enduring as a result of others having more fun on their bike than you.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    I think you should write them, the segment of the bike industry responsible, a strongly worded letter detailing the pain and suffering you are enduring as a result of others having more fun on their bike than you.
    I might do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    You're missing the point of mountain biking. For most of us it's an enjoyable hobby that combines the outdoors, good exercise, and aesthetically pleasing bicycles. It is not life or death, buying new bikes and components doesn't make us angry or bitter, and we don't necessarily find fulfillment in grimly pedaling the cheapest bike we could find down the trail.

    In fact (as I've said), I like spending money on bikes and components. I certainly have to pay a lot of money for things that I don't want to spend money on.

    The debate over the details is part of the fun. And I can tell the difference between parts.

    Mediocre is also the wrong word to use. It implies that there is some purpose to the whole thing when in fact it's just a very interesting recreational activity.
    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Great post:

    Bike industry can get away with that because mountain bikers are SHEEP!

    Riders will agonize and debate with one another every little detail on their bike. This is after all the internet, where everyone is an EXPERT.

    Then they get on the trail where they are just another mediocre rider who cannot actually tell the difference in ride between 26er and 27.5, between 32mm stanctions vs 35mm, or any number of other choices they wasted so much time and effort on.

    But no doubt they they get right back on the internet after the ride to tell everyone how much difference that upgrade made and give themselves a big pat on the back for making such an awesome choice.

    SHEEP!
    Evdog or as we call him around here (mini-me due to a striking resemblance vern troyer) is completely missing the point. This is in part to his opinion of himself that he is not a sheep, expert of all things and not a mediocre rider. When in fact, he is a mediocre rider, a sheep and does not know it all.

    Mountain biking is supposed to be fun and who cares if there is a debate between wheel sizes, 32mm stanchions vs 35mm stanchions. Hell, my wife doesn't know any of those things and she can kick your ass on the bike. And shes only ridden a 29er since we started riding 5 years ago. We are now in the process of selling her FS 29er and going to go with 650b. She will still have a HT 29er for most of her XC stuff.

    Don't be so angry and bitter evdog. Stop lurking and trolling the internet day in and day out. It is a lonely way to live a social life.

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    The Brits don't seem to be taking this 650b thing very well either:

    650b no difference??? « Singletrack Forum

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    Re: The Good Ol' 26er?

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    The Brits don't seem to be taking this 650b thing very well either:

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    If there's no difference just MAKE YOUR NEXT BIKE A 650 AND STOP *****ING ABOUT IT. Problem solved

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    The Brits don't seem to be taking this 650b thing very well either:

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    Interesting read.
    "And now they've got away with this, just wait and see how many standards they change in the move to road discs.
    They've established that they can screw us over as often as they like and we will just bend over and take it."

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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    Who screwed us? They're running businesses, we're consumers. Vote with your wallet and stfu.

    I feel lucky to have choices and be able to ride a bike that is light years more capable than what I had 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    The Brits don't seem to be taking this 650b thing very well either:

    650b no difference??? « Singletrack Forum
    Actually, that thread reads pretty much just like this thread with supporters, fence sitters, and whiners like yourself. Time to put on your big boy pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Nice. How's that working for you? Amazing tires.

    They are claimed at just over 1000g, bit heavy? My 2.3's are 750g in 26".
    What are you pedaling and trail type? I have few of the purgatory 2.4's and love them.

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    An entertaining read. Been mountain biking since 1990 and rode my first nice 29er about 7 years ago. Trek HT of some sort. Can not remember what model, but the gentleman that let me try it is a hard core racer geek and has always spent lots of money on his rides. Anyway, once I got out of the parking lot and had to focus on the trail and stopped staring at that huge tire in front of me, I thought why the hell have I had to put up with 26" wheels for so long. Have I ever thought that 29ers would replace 26ers? In the xc world, which is where the majority of riders fall, I figured the 29er would rule and it has. But the 26er would hang in there for other types of riding.

    I have had no interest in the 650b, figuring they are too close to a 26" to be much different. Although I got say, two local riders that have been pretty hardcore 26er holdouts, have recently started riding FS 650b's. They both tried and hated 29ers, but they are loving their 650b's. I am kind of wondering if it has more to do with the quality of the suspension than tire size. One rides an Intense and the other, one of the new KTMs. This does bring up an interesting point. I think by 2016 there will be two standard wheel sizes, the 29er and 650b, with the maybe, just maybe, the exception of DJ and fat tire bikes. What about everything else in 26ers? How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?

    In the last 24 years, I have heard and read similar debates on trigger shifters, disc brakes, 9-speed, and wide riser bars. There has been just as many items and ideas that have fallen by the wayside. By and far, the mountain biking community has been and is a pretty trendy group. Everyone has a retro grouch in the group, but the majority are always looking for the latest and greatest. Regardless of how much the industry has tried to supposedly force fads down our throats, in the long run, things that work stick around and those that don't, go away.

    In a year and a half, I am going to bump this post. Going to be fun seeing who gets to eat a big ol' plate of crow.

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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianU View Post
    ... How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?
    Quicker steering
    Quicker acceleration
    Easier to pedal kick
    Easier to build short chain stay frames
    Axle closer to ground requires less lean angle to turn same arc
    Fits wider range of riders
    Fits easier onto bike racks
    Fits easier into car or trunk
    Wheels are lighter and stronger
    Small diameter brake rotors provide plenty of stopping power (less weight = lower rotating mass)
    Strong second hand market for parts

    These things will matter to some more than others. If you think you need more roll over then by all means ride a bigger wheel. More 26er crap for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Nice. How's that working for you? Amazing tires.

    They are claimed at just over 1000g, bit heavy? My 2.3's are 750g in 26".
    Yeah, but it's a minion. Best damn tire ever, and in 29x2.5, amazing. IDK if I'd try skinnier. I've ran the 2.5s many times and I felt like that was the sweet spot for DH.
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    I'll be sticking with my ss 26 and buying a cyclocross instead of a 27.5 or 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Yeah, but it's a minion. Best damn tire ever, and in 29x2.5, amazing. IDK if I'd try skinnier. I've ran the 2.5s many times and I felt like that was the sweet spot for DH.
    I took off old style single ply 2.5's to mount the 2.30's. A hair narrower, but clearly lighter. Grip just as well for me.

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    Advantages of 26 0ver 650b

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianU View Post
    How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?
    Well, 26" is potentially around 6% lighter / stronger / stiffer / faster to accelerate / more agile / shorter in the stays / FUN! over 650B.

    That 6% gain in those areas where 26" actually has the advantage, is the reason I wish the bike industry sshls would go back to them as the premier wheel size.

    Unfortunately, when they do go back to smaller wheel sizes in a few years, we all know that the move will come with a bunch of new "standards" making everything that went before irrelevant. For them its about making money, not riding bikes.

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    "How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?" (BrianU)

    Well, 26" is potentially around 6% lighter / stronger / stiffer / faster to accelerate / more agile / shorter in the stays / FUN! over 650B.

    That 6% gain in those areas where 26" actually has the advantage, is the reason I wish the bike industry sshls would go back to them as the premier wheel size.

    Unfortunately, when they do go back to smaller wheel sizes in a few years, we all know that the move will come with a bunch of new "standards" making everything that went before irrelevant. For them its about making money, not riding bikes.

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    You mean a corporation wants to make money?????

    Oh, the horrors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    It's all hype!

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    Seriously what is with all those OLD Charlie and the Chocolate factory references?

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