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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I try to go riding as much as I can. If I could ride more, it would be on dirt roads, not singletrack.
    I want to ride every day, but it just doesn't work out that way.
    Why dirt roads over single track?
    Just curious.

    With more than a few exceptions here, I'd imagine most dirt roads have gradual climbs and descents are are less techy and trafficked, maybe just safer all-around.
    Those would be some features that might appeal to some.
    I suppose some people live in areas where there is an abundance of dirt roads but in those cases, I'd expect the want for trails just to have some differing scenery and terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
    Why dirt roads over single track?
    Just curious.

    With more than a few exceptions here, I'd imagine most dirt roads have gradual climbs and descents are are less techy and trafficked, maybe just safer all-around.
    Those would be some features that might appeal to some.
    I suppose some people live in areas where there is an abundance of dirt roads but in those cases, I'd expect the want for trails just to have some differing scenery and terrain.
    There are only a few days in a week where there is someone to take me to the trails to ride. Other than that there are only many dirt roads near my house I can ride on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    There are only a few days in a week where there is someone to take me to the trails to ride. Other than that there are only many dirt roads near my house I can ride on.
    Why don't you just ride your bike to the trails...........?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Why don't you just ride your bike to the trails...........?
    Because the trails are 10+ miles away and to get there involves many climbs both ways. It would be stupid to try to ride to the trails.
    I guess you don't know the terrain of backcountry Vermont.

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    I don't know anything about Vermont, but I do know riding back and forth to the trailhead will make you one fast dude! Nothing stupid about putting on extra miles if you have the time. Road time equates to more fun on the single track in my opinion.

    Back in my college days, I raced a criterium in downtown Ft. Collins. The Cat 1 & 2 guys were amazing to watch. Travis Brown dominated the crit and handily won. Afterwards, we decided to go get a bite to eat before heading back home. On the way, here is Travis riding his road bike along the highway. Turns out he told his ride "he would rather ride home" and was heading back to Boulder.

    That's just bad ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Goat View Post
    I don't know anything about Vermont, but I do know riding back and forth to the trailhead will make you one fast dude! Nothing stupid about putting on extra miles if you have the time. Road time equates to more fun on the single track in my opinion.

    Back in my college days, I raced a criterium in downtown Ft. Collins. The Cat 1 & 2 guys were amazing to watch. Travis Brown dominated the crit and handily won. Afterwards, we decided to go get a bite to eat before heading back home. On the way, here is Travis riding his road bike along the highway. Turns out he told his ride "he would rather ride home" and was heading back to Boulder.

    That's just bad ass.
    The thing is, by the time I would reach the trails, I would be exhausted from the ride there.
    I just got back from a 5.34 mile ride on some back roads with insanely steep climbs. Singletrack is much better, however.
    I guess I will ride on the trails at my house this afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Because the trails are 10+ miles away and to get there involves many climbs both ways. It would be stupid to try to ride to the trails.
    I guess you don't know the terrain of backcountry Vermont.
    What speedgoat said- I agree.

    Use that as the excuse to ride and get in better shape. You won't likely have the time or energy to ride trials once you get there but doing a portion of that 10 miles each way or the whole 20 mi with some hills will really ramp up your strength. Were it me, I'd work up that 20-miler over a few outings.

    It's not ridiculous to think you'll be riding to the trails and on the trails at some point in the future.

    I'm not a hardcore Dh'er or techy rider at all but I know core strength and hydration make for safer / better riding and maintaining fine motor skills / balance.

    ie; Fatigue and dehydration is a bad combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    The thing is, by the time I would reach the trails, I would be exhausted from the ride there.
    I just got back from a 5.34 mile ride on some back roads with insanely steep climbs.
    "Don't but upgrades; ride up grades." Eddy Merckx (***** roadie) said that. "Ride a bike, ride a bike, ride a bike." Fausto Coppi ( another ***** roadie) said that.

    More truth in those two statements, and the goods to back them up, than a thousand pages of the interwebz crap we sling about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Because the trails are 10+ miles away and to get there involves many climbs both ways. It would be stupid to try to ride to the trails.
    I guess you don't know the terrain of backcountry Vermont.
    What would be stupid is to be surrounded by great riding and have a bunch of time on your hands, then choose to waste it in front of a computer arguing about stupid **** that you sorely lack first-hand knowledge of.

    That's okay, internet biking is almost as rewarding as the real thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    The thing is, by the time I would reach the trails, I would be exhausted from the ride there.
    I just got back from a 5.34 mile ride on some back roads with insanely steep climbs. Singletrack is much better, however.
    I guess I will ride on the trails at my house this afternoon.
    Seriously, if 10 miles of pavement will wear you out, you really, really need a reality check as far as what you think you know about mountain biking. Really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Seriously, if 10 miles of pavement will wear you out, you really, really need a reality check as far as what you think you know about mountain biking. Really.
    Again it isn't all pavement, and it is uphill both ways (seriously). I would pass through two towns and a village to get there. I could ride my roadie there (with slick tyres), but on my mountainbike set up for the mountain, I don't think I could ride 20+ miles on the road (there and back) and put in a fun ride on the mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    The thing is, by the time I would reach the trails, I would be exhausted from the ride there.
    I just got back from a 5.34 mile ride on some back roads with insanely steep climbs. Singletrack is much better, however.
    I guess I will ride on the trails at my house this afternoon.


    Too much internet time. 10 miles to a trailhead is no big deal for a youngster, I used to do that on a daily basis before responsibilities and such tied me up, but those were pre-internet days.

    Which reminds me- "back in my day" I used to walk 10 miles to school every day, uphill both ways, through blizzards and fending off packs of wolves, skinning and quartering the ones we slayed so we would have something to eat for dinner..........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Because the trails are 10+ miles away and to get there involves many climbs both ways. It would be stupid to try to ride to the trails.
    I guess you don't know the terrain of backcountry Vermont.
    What? You can't go 50ft in Vermont without running into a trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    What? You can't go 50ft in Vermont without running into a trail.
    Doubletrack. Not singletrack.
    Yes there are a lot of singletrack trails around here, but they're a maze and very easy to get lost in. That's why I go to Rutland or Brownsville where there are maintained trails with maps so I know where I am going.

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    Yeah.....

    Somehow I doubt your claims to climbing prowess if 10 miles on the road is too much for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Doubletrack. Not singletrack.
    Yes there are a lot of singletrack trails around here, but they're a maze and very easy to get lost in. That's why I go to Rutland or Brownsville where there are maintained trails with maps so I know where I am going.
    Come on man. Get a map and a compass, or a GPS unit, or maybe your smartphone. Pack plenty of food and water, and learn where your trails are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Again it isn't all pavement, and it is uphill both ways (seriously). I would pass through two towns and a village to get there. I could ride my roadie there (with slick tyres), but on my mountainbike set up for the mountain, I don't think I could ride 20+ miles on the road (there and back) and put in a fun ride on the mountain.
    These are things to work up to.
    Take the MTB out and see how it goes.
    If you don't want to shred a pair of $60 tires on pavement, get some cheapy knobs and start trying that road ride.
    You'll be amazed, and so will your riding buddies the day you finally are able to ride to the trail, shred the entire loop, then haul yourself home. Sometimes we all bite off more mileage than we can handle, but I'll bet you don't know what that number is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Doubletrack. Not singletrack.
    Yes there are a lot of singletrack trails around here, but they're a maze and very easy to get lost in. That's why I go to Rutland or Brownsville where there are maintained trails with maps so I know where I am going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    Yeah.....

    Somehow I doubt your claims to climbing prowess if 10 miles on the road is too much for you.
    I never said 10 road miles are too much for me, just I would either do the 10 miles there and a 5-8 mile ride on the trails only to have to ride back. It's really the ride back that worries me. (The ride back is all uphill except for the last 2 miles. Which means the way there is all downhill except for the first 2 miles).

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Come on man. Get a map and a compass, or a GPS unit, or maybe your smartphone. Pack plenty of food and water, and learn where your trails are.
    Don't have a smartphone. Even if I did there's no phone service out in Pomfret.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    These are things to work up to.
    Take the MTB out and see how it goes.
    If you don't want to shred a pair of $60 tires on pavement, get some cheapy knobs and start trying that road ride.
    You'll be amazed, and so will your riding buddies the day you finally are able to ride to the trail, shred the entire loop, then haul yourself home. Sometimes we all bite off more mileage than we can handle, but I'll bet you don't know what that number is.

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    Yeah I don't want to wear down my Hans Dampfs. I could put the 2.2 Bontragers back on but what's the point for that? I just ordered a new "training" bike for the back roads. It still won't be a do all bike, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    These are things to work up to.
    Take the MTB out and see how it goes.
    If you don't want to shred a pair of $60 tires on pavement, get some cheapy knobs and start trying that road ride.
    You'll be amazed, and so will your riding buddies the day you finally are able to ride to the trail, shred the entire loop, then haul yourself home. Sometimes we all bite off more mileage than we can handle, but I'll bet you don't know what that number is.

    -F
    ^^ That's pretty much it.

    You'll get the hang of it an start to build rides with miles. Talking about it is fun when you can't be out there but if you have 3 or 15 hours of internet/computer time a week and are not 'onthejob', get out there and leave the keyboard behind.

    Take a rain-slicker, a small pack for food or snacks and water, let others know where you are going and when you'll be back, take your ID and Emerg contact / cell phone or whatsoever precautionary stuff you can / need.
    This is what adults dream of or do when playing hooky from work !!

    When you get to that point, you'll come back and write a teeny bit of what you recall, highlights from many miles of riding. You'll be better rider, attain better fitness, be a better and more interesting writer.

    I'm a hypocrite and write a lot because I'm either hiding from chores around the house or bragging about all the errors I've made in 50-some years. Typing is good cognitive therapy for me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    WTF happened to mountain biking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Doubletrack. Not singletrack.
    Yes there are a lot of singletrack trails around here, but they're a maze and very easy to get lost in. That's why I go to Rutland or Brownsville where there are maintained trails with maps so I know where I am going.
    When hiking or biking, I found through the years , there were some friends that truly want to get out and look for any reason/situation go ride or hike rather than reasons or an excuse Not To.
    Even if you are stuck with the same boring miserable gravel roads, use them to time your route and chart your progress. This is one nice advantage to doing the same routes sometimes. Also, find a nearby steep climb or something challenging so even when you look at the clock and think; "gee, I don't have but maybe 35 minutes time..." , you can still get out for a good work out. If it's an easy piece of land, crank up your speed some to feel the burn.
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    In Switzerland there are some awesome single track trails close to me that I *love* to ride - I'd ride them every day if I could as I theoretically could do on my way to work. The only issue is that I have a 650 meter road climb to get to start of the trail head. After the trail is through (about 25miles) I'll have climbed over 1500 meters.

    The initial climb was great on my road bike, but not so much on my Enduro bike.

    I do the climb at weekends and spend a day out in the semi-wilds, but I realised recently (after 4 years!) that there is a cable car to the start for about 3 bucks... many years ago I vowed I'd only ride down what I rode up, but well, tomorrow I'll be on the cable car at 8am ><
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I never said 10 road miles are too much for me, just I would either do the 10 miles there and a 5-8 mile ride on the trails only to have to ride back. It's really the ride back that worries me. (The ride back is all uphill except for the last 2 miles. Which means the way there is all downhill except for the first 2 miles).



    Don't have a smartphone. Even if I did there's no phone service out in Pomfret.




    Yeah I don't want to wear down my Hans Dampfs. I could put the 2.2 Bontragers back on but what's the point for that? I just ordered a new "training" bike for the back roads. It still won't be a do all bike, however.
    28 miles is not that long of a ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    28 miles is not that long of a ride.
    For me, who normally rides 7-8 miles a ride, 28 miles is very long for one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Yeah I don't want to wear down my Hans Dampfs. I could put the 2.2 Bontragers back on but what's the point for that? I just ordered a new "training" bike for the back roads. It still won't be a do all bike, however.
    Every bike is a 'do it all' bike; the rider is the limiting factor.
    Tires (and every other component) aren't meant to be collected and preserved and fawned over, they're meant to be worn the hell out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Every bike is a 'do it all' bike; the rider is the limiting factor.
    Tires (and every other component) aren't meant to be collected and preserved and fawned over, they're meant to be worn the hell out.

    Tell that to the guys who wax their bikes over at the "how do you wash your bike" thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackitout View Post
    Tell that to the guys who wax their bikes over at the "how do you wash your bike" thread.
    Nothing wrong with riding a bike a lot AND maintaining it (zipwax is a detergent, fyi). Wearing parts out to the point of potential failure on the trail is caused by sheer laziness, poverty, or lack of mechanical aptitude IMO. I like to take good care of my stuff; bike, truck, car, motorcycle, chainsaw, guns, skis, whatever. It all gets used a lot and I don't like surprises.

    Back on topic: CannondaleF9, just ride what you have close. Pavement, gravel, dirt, singletrack, 29, 26, whatever. It's better to ride what is out your door a lot, than long for places you would rather ride and don't. When I was your age I was riding the crap out of a Western Flyer 10 speed and having a ball. Also, learn how to work on your bike yourself and carry tools. That way you can at least spend 30 minutes of your Saturday replacing a pulley if need be.

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    Okay, one other point in support of what slapheadmofo is getting at.

    CannondaleF9: just stop with all the incessant bickering and ride your damn bike instead of spending all day debating nuances of the sport on the internet! You will be a better rider because of it and someday you can move to where you have singletrack riding to your heart's content. You are young, plan wisely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumpityBump View Post
    Nothing wrong with riding a bike a lot AND maintaining it (zipwax is a detergent, fyi). Wearing parts out to the point of potential failure on the trail is caused by sheer laziness, poverty, or lack of mechanical aptitude IMO. I like to take good care of my stuff; bike, truck, car, motorcycle, chainsaw, guns, skis, whatever. It all gets used a lot and I don't like surprises.
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    C'mon, that thing had plenty of miles left in it. It was seriously the Derailleur That Would Not Die - I had a bit of an grudge match going with it for awhile. Finally my heel ended up rubbing clean through the upper body near where the barrel adjuster screws in and that was the end of it. Those old XTRs were tough as hell.



    When it comes down to it, the only really important part of a bike is the rider. I know this for a fact, cuz no matter what bike I get on now, 26, 27.5, 29, FS, HT, DH, whatever, I'll never ride as fast or well or far as I did on long 'outdated' technology, the deciding factor being that I don't ride almost daily anymore, and I don't do enough solid rides on a regular basis. The main thing that limits my riding level is lack of saddle time. Same goes for most I bet. So far they haven't figured out a way to bolt that **** on though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    When it comes down to it, the only really important part of a bike is the rider. I know this for a fact, cuz no matter what bike I get on now, 26, 27.5, 29, FS, HT, DH, whatever, I'll never ride as fast or well or far as I did on long 'outdated' technology, the deciding factor being that I don't ride almost daily anymore, and I don't do enough solid rides on a regular basis. The main thing that limits my riding level is lack of saddle time. Same goes for most I bet. So far they haven't figured out a way to bolt that **** on though.
    I don't disagree. I remember biking in Moab years ago and coming up on three guys off their bikes beside the trail. Two had newer modern FS bikes (don't remember what they were) and were messing with their bikes. The other guy was on an old beater rigid (Stumpjumper I think) and just looked anxious to ride.

    As we passed them the two FS guys hollered "aren't you going to adjust your suspension before climbing?" I'm thinking what??? The other guy finally got frustrated I guess because we passed him coming back on a loop later and he was far ahead of the other two having a blast. When we came upon the other two they were totally out of breath and looking like they were having a rough time.

    I think part of the story is that the first guy was passionate about riding and enjoying the surroundings, while the other two were too busy fiddling with their bikes trying to get them perfect and never really enjoyed the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumpityBump View Post
    Nothing wrong with riding a bike a lot AND maintaining it (zipwax is a detergent, fyi). Wearing parts out to the point of potential failure on the trail is caused by sheer laziness, poverty, or lack of mechanical aptitude IMO. I like to take good care of my stuff; bike, truck, car, motorcycle, chainsaw, guns, skis, whatever. It all gets used a lot and I don't like surprises

    Except we're not talking about a car, truck, motorcycle or chainsaw. It has nothing to do with laziness or lack of mechanical aptitude. It has to do with keeping it maintained to a certain point. I've oiled chains and cleaned derailleurs once in a couple years and that derailleur still works. It's been over 20 years of aggressive riding. There's maintaining and then there's obsessive maintaining thinking it's going to somehow keep something that is going to break last longer. Whether it be from a rock, tree branch or sand. It's excessive and if it breaks you get another one. If you can't do that then iit's about poverty. Ask how many guys who off road break things even though they maintain it. It happens because it gets beat on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackitout View Post
    Except we're not talking about a car, truck, motorcycle or chainsaw. It has nothing to do with laziness or lack of mechanical aptitude. It has to do with keeping it maintained to a certain point. I've oiled chains and cleaned derailleurs once in a couple years and that derailleur still works. It's been over 20 years of aggressive riding. There's maintaining and then there's obsessive maintaining thinking it's going to somehow keep something that is going to break last longer. Whether it be from a rock, tree branch or sand. It's excessive and if it breaks you get another one. If you can't do that then iit's about poverty. Ask how many guys who off road break things even though they maintain it. It happens because it gets beat on.
    Oiled a chain once every 2 years? You must not ride much, the squeaking alone would drive me bonkers. That right there puts you in the lazy category in my mind. Might even put you in the running for 2nd or 3rd to the Dude.

    I've broken plenty of stuff over the years, but you can also mitigate time spent on the trail dinking with components by keeping things in good working order. It's a no brainer really.

    What one person calls obsessive, another calls regular maintenance. To judge others because they like to keep their bikes in a clean, lubed, maintained, condition is a myopic view. Feel free to carry on about it though.

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    I agree. I love when my bike performs at its best. No funny noises, suspension set up just right, properly lubed chain, everything in the cockpit at the right place, tires and air right for the certain ride.
    I clean and oil the chain at least every 3rd ride. It takes only 10minutes and significantly improves the shifting. My rides are mostly between 1 - 5 hours long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumpityBump View Post
    To judge others because they like to keep their bikes in a clean, lubed, maintained, condition is a myopic view.
    But on the flipside, the fact that I don't really sweat it when some random part ends up good'n'worn led you to judge me as either lazy, inept and/or poor.

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    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with taking care of your stuff; I just got tired of trying to keep everything pretty and perfect at some point and just wanted to ride more, so I went with that. You'd be surprised how long stuff will function with a minimum of attention, specially as far as cleaning. Besides wiping fork and shock sliding surfaces, or blasting the bike with a hose sometimes after a really messy ride, I can't say I really do any. Usually, dirt falls off by itself during the next ride anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    But on the flipside, the fact that I don't really sweat it when some random part ends up good'n'worn led you to judge me as either lazy, inept and/or poor.

    Judge not...

    Ha ha, got me there I guess, but it was blackitout's callout that prompted it. Plus, that's a pretty far gone pulley you must admit. Based on your grudge match comment, I guess "stubborn" would have been the better judgmental descriptor. Cheers and ride on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumpityBump View Post
    Ha ha, got me there I guess, but it was blackitout's callout that prompted it. Plus, that's a pretty far gone pulley you must admit. Based on your grudge match comment, I guess "stubborn" would have been the better judgmental descriptor. Cheers and ride on.
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    no the chain I keep oiled. The derailleur I don't disassemble and clean. That's just me. I worded the chain part wrong and knew it the second I did. i was driving on a 2 hour trip as I wrote that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    But on the flipside, the fact that I don't really sweat it when some random part ends up good'n'worn led you to judge me as either lazy, inept and/or poor.

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    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with taking care of your stuff; I just got tired of trying to keep everything pretty and perfect at some point and just wanted to ride more, so I went with that. You'd be surprised how long stuff will function with a minimum of attention, specially as far as cleaning. Besides wiping fork and shock sliding surfaces, or blasting the bike with a hose sometimes after a really messy ride, I can't say I really do any. Usually, dirt falls off by itself during the next ride anyway.
    I'm gonna have to go with this guys comment. You'd be surprised how long things will last when you don't treat it like a newborn baby. **** happens, things get wrecked. That's all a part of the game. Like he said I'd rather ride more and to say I don't ride much is judgement. I ride 4-5 times a week on black diamond trails in my area. Just because I don't clean my bike and disassemble the entire thing every 2 weeks doesn't mean I'm lazy. It means I know the capabilities of components and how much they can go through. 20 years is a long time and that was just basic Altus components. Maybe now that they are all made in China it's different. I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackitout View Post
    Except we're not talking about a car, truck, motorcycle or chainsaw. It has nothing to do with laziness or lack of mechanical aptitude. It has to do with keeping it maintained to a certain point. I've oiled chains and cleaned derailleurs once in a couple years and that derailleur still works. It's been over 20 years of aggressive riding. There's maintaining and then there's obsessive maintaining thinking it's going to somehow keep something that is going to break last longer. Whether it be from a rock, tree branch or sand. It's excessive and if it breaks you get another one. If you can't do that then iit's about poverty. Ask how many guys who off road break things even though they maintain it. It happens because it gets beat on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
    I do rigid single speed and 29 I'm also old enough to have ridden rigid 26 and I do feel like suspension and gears is cheating to a certain extent. My riding style was formed many years ago on rigid bikes and there is an art to it that is long gone. I had a 650B Lynskey more than a couple years ago when the only one pushing 650B was Kirk Pacenti it was fun but not more fun than my Blur or Univega but it was different. When it's time to replace the Univega which will be soon being that it spends more time in monstercross guise than mountain bike guise it'll be with a rigid 26 because in the end it's comfortable and right for my current european trails as well as my "home" east coast trails.
    You know, I started on rigid with canti brakes and rode that way for a few years. But I've been riding long travel FS with disc brakes and a single front chainring for almost 15 years now. Interesting.

    I think people get too wrapped up on their $3000 purchase, and automatically think something is better because they bought into it.

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    I love this quote:

    650B the new 29 er's. Looks like the tides are a changing. « Singletrack Forum

    650B is starting to look like the biggest and most obvious marketing con job in the history of MTB.

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    Well, look who's back. Seriously, we were fine without you.

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    ^ (turbodog) 3 posts in a row = dancing with yourself.

    Written for background, not to divide riders by wheel size.
    Remember, we're the fricking oddballs in the office who still ride a bike.

    700c = the original, and worldwide the most popular bicycle wheel size.-----&gt; BSD 622 (mm) [baseline]

    26" = Paperboy, beach cruiser wheel size. Tires picked for volume
    for the original klunkers and early MTB rims by cutting/rolling Araya rims ---&gt; BSD 559 (mm) [-63, or - 2.5"]

    27.5" = newest marketing ploy to appease those who do not fit on a 29er,
    or who seek the latest / greatest and are bi-(cycle)curiuos. -------------------&gt; BSD 584 (mm) [-38, or - 1.5" ]

    Based on true BSD the whole marketing of 27.5/650B is predicated
    on a rim size that is not even 1" greater than 26" ------------------------------&gt; BSD (584-559) = [+25 mm, or + .98")

    Look at the BSD (bead seat diameter) #'s, as they tell the true tale of size, and cut through the hype.
    How can less than 1" be life changing? It's not.

    If Gary Fisher, and the early promoters/adopters of 29ers had said they were building MTB's based on the original 700c rim, they'd have been shunned. Yet, that is exactly what they did and a large # of people, me included has been enjoying this retro-trend. (Being 6"3", and having ridden MTB's since 1985, I fit much better on the bigger wheels.)

    Whatever you've got, take it off the hook today, and go ride the shiite out of it!!!
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    Jeez TurboDog- I like 26 inch wheels too but c'mon man, enough is enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    I like bikes!!!
    BMX is the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyin_W View Post
    ^ (turbodog) 3 posts in a row = dancing with yourself.

    Written for background, not to divide riders by wheel size.
    Remember, we're the fricking oddballs in the office who still ride a bike.

    700c = the original, and worldwide the most popular bicycle wheel size.-----> BSD 622 (mm) [baseline]

    26" = Paperboy, beach cruiser wheel size. Tires picked for volume
    for the original klunkers and early MTB rims by cutting/rolling Araya rims ---> BSD 559 (mm) [-63, or - 2.5"]

    27.5" = newest marketing ploy to appease those who do not fit on a 29er,
    or who seek the latest / greatest and are bi-(cycle)curiuos. -------------------> BSD 584 (mm) [-38, or - 1.5" ]

    Based on true BSD the whole marketing of 27.5/650B is predicated
    on a rim size that is not even 1" greater than 26" ------------------------------> BSD (584-559) = [+25 mm, or + .98")

    Look at the BSD (bead seat diameter) #'s, as they tell the true tale of size, and cut through the hype.
    How can less than 1" be life changing? It's not.

    If Gary Fisher, and the early promoters/adopters of 29ers had said they were building MTB's based on the original 700c rim, they'd have been shunned. Yet, that is exactly what they did and a large # of people, me included has been enjoying this retro-trend. (Being 6"3", and having ridden MTB's since 1985, I fit much better on the bigger wheels.)

    Whatever you've got, take it off the hook today, and go ride the shiite out of it!!!
    Bump, it has come to light that Schwinn made a bunch of crusier bikes with a 571mm ERD, thus for 2016 the bike industry will be pushing the revolutionary 26.75" wheel size. More playful than 27.5", but just different enough than a 29er to get you to buy an entirely new bike. (current 26" owners can simply buy new rims and tires)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvrbreeze View Post
    In the bombardment of new wheel sizes 27.5-650B, 29er.... So many choices, so much to look at and so many new bikes on the market...

    As i get on my 26er i feel the tires have shrunk since the last time on the trail! But as I roll off into the wilderness and gett in to the zone i am struck; man are they fast and man they carve like crazy!

    Has anyone else found that amid all the wheel size debates the good old 26er is still a heck of alot of fun?
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    I really like having a 26er and a 29er......worlds of difference between the 2 bikes, but both are still trail bikes to the core.

    The difference between them makes switching back and forth between rides even more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvrbreeze View Post
    In the bombardment of new wheel sizes 27.5-650B, 29er.... So many choices, so much to look at and so many new bikes on the market...

    As i get on my 26er i feel the tires have shrunk since the last time on the trail! But as I roll off into the wilderness and gett in to the zone i am struck; man are they fast and man they carve like crazy!

    Has anyone else found that amid all the wheel size debates the good old 26er is still a heck of alot of fun?
    I have been riding my 26er a lot lately and agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ray View Post
    I really like having a 26er and a 29er......worlds of difference between the 2 bikes, but both are still trail bikes to the core.

    The difference between them makes switching back and forth between rides even more fun.
    Agree.....100% (even though riding a 26er is about as fashionable as a mullet to some folks out there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ray View Post
    I really like having a 26er and a 29er......worlds of difference between the 2 bikes, but both are still trail bikes to the core.

    The difference between them makes switching back and forth between rides even more fun.
    Me2. In fact, they are the same bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Agree.....100% (even though riding a 26er is about as fashionable as a mullet to some folks out there)
    That's the thing with me. I don't care about what "some folks" think is "fashionable." People like that mean nothing to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Me2. In fact, they are the same bike.

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    That's quite a frame. I could envision adding one more bike to my quiver.......and that frame makes for a 2-fer.

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    I have two mountain bikes, a HT 29er & a full suspension trail bike 26". Both are great to ride for different reason.

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    I have one bike !!! A 26er , and love it .
    Me - "yeah it's a 26" when asked , them- " are you havin fun and enjoy riding " me- "hell yeah" them - "that's all that matters" and I agree , I love my rig.

    The 29er bike snob that said "I could never go back to a 26er because 9er's are SOOOOO much better can F off !
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