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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    Can we throw some clipless/flats debate into this equation too? 'Cuz I think we all agree that clipless is cheating and most/all/any/some flats riders' technical abilities will surely be better than your pet squirrel's?
    I've been riding clipless for 20 years, including racing DH clipless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Ratboy and Peaty are on 650b V10...
    Santa Cruz V10 27.5 Wheels Prototype
    We'll see if they run them at the WC...the Leogang win was on the 26er.

    FWIW I didn't have much faith in "the Good Ol' 26er?"



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    ...so I built up a brand new one. I LOVE how the Whippet came out 19.5lb ( but my Strava times have proven that the 29er ,27lb, is still faster by quite a bit).

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    The best thing about this thread is that 99% of the people posting don't give a **** what they or anyone else is riding when they're out riding. But it's a congressional debate once the internet gets involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I can out climb you on any surface.

    I'm sorry to tell you this (not) but you are the biggest idiot on this site. Only a moron would be led to think that a full blown downhill bike is easier to climb than a hardtail. I mean come on, a non lockout heavy full suspension bike versus a lightweight bike designed for climbing would see the hardtail as the winner no matter the wheel size (but 29ers rollover stuff better so it will still be a better technical climber because it will have less junk to avoid on the trail).
    You might want to rethink your theories now.
    Aw, you're so cute!!!! You're like a fluffy little puppy running around and nipping at everything! AWWWWWW!!!!!

    Anyway, you grossly underestimate the importance of traction and suspension in climbing. I've done a ton of climbing on a light hardtail with a semi slick....before you were old enough to ride a bike. The slight improvement in rollover with a 29er is nothing compared to a beefy rear tire and bottomless smooth travel. Deal with it.

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    And since when is a 31lb AM bike heavy? It's light enough that I can climb it with a 30x30 low gear. When you were 4 years old, I was climbing a 45lb+ dh bike with a 44x30 low gear and slammed seat, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Anyway, you grossly underestimate the importance of traction and suspension in climbing. I've done a ton of climbing on a light hardtail with a semi slick....before you were old enough to ride a bike. The slight improvement in rollover with a 29er is nothing compared to a beefy rear tire and bottomless smooth travel. Deal with it.
    And guess what? I can climb with a 34 single front ring and a 34 rear cog, and with tyres that have a lot of rolling resistance. I don't even lockout my fork.
    My bike is light (not carbon light, but still light). I don't know how steep your climbs were on your heavy ass downhill bike, but I bet I could climb them better than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    And guess what? I can climb with a 34 single front ring and a 34 rear cog, and with tyres that have a lot of rolling resistance. I don't even lockout my fork.
    My bike is light (not carbon light, but still light). I don't know how steep your climbs were on your heavy ass downhill bike, but I bet I could climb them better than you.
    Humm. If you're riding tires with a lot of rolling resistance, especially on a 29er, you have alot to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Humm. If you're riding tires with a lot of rolling resistance, especially on a 29er, you have alot to learn.
    Humm, If you're climbing steep hills with a downhill bike, you have a lot to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Humm, If you're climbing steep hills with a downhill bike, you have a lot to learn.
    You do know that I'm twice your age and have been riding for about 10 times longer than you, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    You do know that I'm twice your age and have been riding for about 10 times longer than you, right?
    You know that I'm half your age and am just as strong as you? Just because I have been mountain biking for only 3 years doesn't mean I am a weakling. Most of my riding includes steep hill climbs. I have a surprisingly strong endurance on the climbs and I am as strong on the descents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    You do know that I'm twice your age and have been riding for about 10 times longer than you, right?
    you may be ancient but i also know one of the best riders i have ever ridden with was born in the civil war era yet aquaholic is pretty gnar. though apologies to you tdawg...he ruins your hypothesis of what can and should be done on a hardtail, let alone a rigid version

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    The only way you two are going to hash this out is meet up and prove each other wrong. It's been run reading nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    You do know that I'm twice your age and have been riding for about 10 times longer than you, right?
    Everybody is Ned Overend when they can simply hide behind a computer screen. You're simply being annoying. A talent which you are perfecting with every post.

    (Oh wait a sec, Ned Overend is opened minded and rides a 29" bike but I'm sure you could kick his ass on a mountain bike. Right turdodog?)

    One thing I have found out in my many years of cycling ... good riders don't need to talk about how good they are as they simply leave it on the road or trail. Mediocre riders never shut up about how great they are and can be the most irritating sanctimonious DB's on the face of the earth. Gee, which one are you turdodog?

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    [QUOTE=ShinDiggity;11344922]

    One thing I have found out in my many years of cycling ... good riders don't need to talk about how good they are as they simply leave it on the road or trail.QUOTE]

    Spoken for truth.

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    Re: The Good Ol' 26er?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Everybody is Ned Overend when they can simply hide behind a computer screen. You're simply being annoying. A talent which you are perfecting with every post.

    (Oh wait a sec, Ned Overend is opened minded and rides a 29" bike but I'm sure you could kick his ass on a mountain bike. Right turdodog?)

    One thing I have found out in my many years of cycling ... good riders don't need to talk about how good they are as they simply leave it on the road or trail. Mediocre riders never shut up about how great they are and can be the most irritating sanctimonious DB's on the face of the earth. Gee, which one are you turdodog?
    Carefully.
    If you hurt Turdos feelings, he might complain to the mods about you again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Carefully.
    If you hurt Turdos feelings, he might complain to the mods about you again.
    Well I'm not saying what I really want to. I'm being nice. Scaling it back so I don't hurt poor little turdodogs feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I am, however, questioning my technical riding skills, experience, intellect, critical thinking skills, analytical skills, vocabulary, ego, mechanical skills, bow staff skills, and personal grooming habits. So far I am not impressed with myself.
    Fixed. You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    You know that I'm half your age and am just as strong as you? Just because I have been mountain biking for only 3 years doesn't mean I am a weakling. Most of my riding includes steep hill climbs. I have a surprisingly strong endurance on the climbs and I am as strong on the descents.
    I'm not questioning your strength or athletic ability. I am, however, questioning your technical riding skills, experience, intellect, critical thinking skills, analytical skills, vocabulary, ego, mechanical skills, bow staff skills, and personal grooming habits. So far I am not impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Everybody is Ned Overend when they can simply hide behind a computer screen. You're simply being annoying. A talent which you are perfecting with every post.

    (Oh wait a sec, Ned Overend is opened minded and rides a 29" bike but I'm sure you could kick his ass on a mountain bike. Right turdodog?)

    One thing I have found out in my many years of cycling ... good riders don't need to talk about how good they are as they simply leave it on the road or trail. Mediocre riders never shut up about how great they are and can be the most irritating sanctimonious DB's on the face of the earth. Gee, which one are you turdodog?
    I'm not making any claims about my ability, other than that I'm experienced and considerably better than average, as a point of reference for the topic at hand. While there are certainly exceptions, it's pretty clear that in general people with less experience and technical ability tend to prefer 29er's, while experienced technical riders prefer 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I'm not questioning your strength or athletic ability. I am, however, questioning your technical riding skills, experience, intellect, critical thinking skills, analytical skills, vocabulary, ego, mechanical skills, bow staff skills, and personal grooming habits. So far I am not impressed.
    You know nothing about me.
    But in fact I know that you are an old pile of crap that is so instable that he (or she) can't come to terms with change and would rather complain to the internet and blabber to random people about your pain when you should just go on a ****ing mountain bike ride to ease your pain.
    Have fun climbing the grand canyon you overconfident loaf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    ....what can and should be done on a hardtail, let alone a rigid version
    What's the rigid version of a hardtail....? LOL.

    I rode full rigid for two years when I first started riding. Would not go back. I'll take every advantage I can get - clipless, tubeless, suspension, discs - that I think is worth while. For trail riding, 26" is clearly an advantage over 29er's, so I'm happy to stick with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    You know nothing about me.
    But in fact I know that you are an old pile of crap that is so instable that he (or she) can't come to terms with change and would rather complain to the internet and blabber to random people about your pain when you should just go on a ****ing mountain bike ride to ease your pain.
    Have fun climbing the grand canyon you overconfident loaf.
    I also question your online etiquette! You don't seem to be a very nice person, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I'm not making any claims about my ability, other than that I'm experienced and considerably better than average, as a point of reference for the topic at hand. While there are certainly exceptions, it's pretty clear that in general people with less experience and technical ability tend to prefer 29er's, while experienced technical riders prefer 26".
    Of course you are making claims about your ability. Aren't you even reading what you have written? All one has to do is read your posts touting how much better you are than any one you have ever met on a 29" bike. My guess would be you are a mediocre rider at best and are way over compensating for your glaringly obvious shortcomings. But since you are hiding behind the computer screen we'll never know now will we (even though we do know)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I also question your online etiquette! You don't seem to be a very nice person, either.
    I'm a nice person when I am not trying to argue with a person who acts like a 5 year old.
    You have tried my patience and I have had it with you and your pathetic arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Of course you are making claims about your ability. Aren't you even reading what you have written? All one has to do is read your posts touting how much better you are than any one you have ever met on a 29" bike. My guess would be you are a mediocre rider at best and are way over compensating for your glaringly obvious shortcomings. But since you are hiding behind the computer screen we'll never know now will we (even though we do know)?
    Sorry, but now I have to question your critical reading skills. I made a specific claim that I've out technical climb anyone I've met on a 29er - meaning that I typically stay on the bike and make it over rough terrain when they don't. Most people on 29er's are on hardtails with semi-slick or light knobs, both of which are a major disadvantage in technical climbing. I've never ridden with anyone with a long travel 29er with aggressive tires, which is understandable because that is a very rare setup to have. I made no claims about speed or endurance over non-technical terrain, where clearly the 29er rider has an advantage.

    Point being, big tires and long suspension trump the typical 29er XC hardtail setup for technical climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I'm a nice person when I am not trying to argue with a person who acts like a 5 year old.
    You have tried my patience and I have had it with you and your pathetic arguments.
    Ok, cool. Feel free to not respond to my posts, and you will be the true winner here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    You do know that I'm twice your age and have been riding for about 10 times longer than you, right?
    So canondale F9 is what, 5 or 6 years old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Sorry, but now I have to question your critical reading skills. I made a specific claim that I've out technical climb anyone I've met on a 29er - meaning that I typically stay on the bike and make it over rough terrain when they don't. Most people on 29er's are on hardtails with semi-slick or light knobs, both of which are a major disadvantage in technical climbing. I've never ridden with anyone with a long travel 29er with aggressive tires, which is understandable because that is a very rare setup to have. I made no claims about speed or endurance over non-technical terrain, where clearly the 29er rider has an advantage.

    Point being, big tires and long suspension trump the typical 29er XC hardtail setup for technical climbing.
    But again you are wrong. 29ers are better climbers with similar tyres and less suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    But again you are wrong. 29ers are better climbers with similar tyres and less suspension.
    Anything's possible, but virtually nobody sets them up like that. Unicorns are better climbers too, but they don't exist either...



    So it's a bit of moot point now isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Anything's possible, but virtually nobody sets them up like that. So it's a bit of moot point now isn't?
    Just because your bike isn't set up like that doesn't mean other people don't have bikes set up like that.
    You really need to think deeper into these subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Sorry, but now I have to question your critical reading skills. I made a specific claim that I've out technical climb anyone I've met on a 29er - meaning that I typically stay on the bike and make it over rough terrain when they don't. Most people on 29er's are on hardtails with semi-slick or light knobs, both of which are a major disadvantage in technical climbing. I've never ridden with anyone with a long travel 29er with aggressive tires, which is understandable because that is a very rare setup to have. I made no claims about speed or endurance over non-technical terrain, where clearly the 29er rider has an advantage.

    Point being, big tires and long suspension trump the typical 29er XC hardtail setup for technical climbing.
    So now it's "typical" instead of "every", "most" instead of "all".

    "I've never ridden with anyone with a long travel 29er with aggressive tires, which is understandable because that is a very rare setup to have."

    Rare set up? Where do you live? Oh that's right ... The Chocolate Factory. You need to get out more.

    One disclaimer after another. Why don't you come back when you can actually stick with one "story".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Just because your bike isn't set up like that doesn't mean other people don't have bikes set up like that.
    You really need to think deeper into these subjects.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    So now it's "typical" instead of "every", "most" instead of "all".

    "I've never ridden with anyone with a long travel 29er with aggressive tires, which is understandable because that is a very rare setup to have."

    Rare set up? Where do you live? Oh that's right ... The Chocolate Factory. You need to get out more.

    One disclaimer after another. Why don't you come back when you can actually stick with one "story".

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    Here's the mtbr thread dedicated to long travel 29er's, it's 14 pages long. The bikes are pretty high end, at least $4-5k retail or more, and uncommon. Please note that less than half the bikes have aggressive rear tires, most of them have lightly nobbed tires:

    Let's see those long travel 29ers! 140mm+ fork only.

    Here is the post your all mountain rig thread, its 343 pages long:

    Let's see those AM setups

    Almost everybody has an aggressive rear tire. Many bikes are upper-mid end, not particularly exotic, and thus MUCH more common on the trails.

    So, while there may be plenty of XC 29er's and 26" AM rigs out there, 29er AM is extremely rare. AM does technical climbing better, all day long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Here's the mtbr thread dedicated to long travel 29er's, it's 14 pages long. The bikes are pretty high end, at least $4-5k retail or more, and uncommon. Please note that less than half the bikes have aggressive rear tires, most of them have lightly nobbed tires:

    Let's see those long travel 29ers! 140mm+ fork only.

    Here is the post your all mountain rig thread, its 343 pages long:

    Let's see those AM setups

    Almost everybody has an aggressive rear tire. Many bikes are upper-mid end, not particularly exotic, and thus MUCH more common on the trails.

    So, while there may be plenty of XC 29er's and 26" AM rigs out there, 29er AM is extremely rare. AM does technical climbing better, all day long.
    You need to share what you are smoking. People who are out to climb tech fast aren't riding long travel bikes. They are riding short travel or hard tail bikes with 29 inch wheels.

    These are the things that make a bike a good climber:

    Lightweight
    Steep Head tube angle + Long stem
    short travel

    long travel All Mountain bikes are none of these things. Tire choice is relevant only to the trail conditions and surfaces. not all trails call for a super aggro tire for good climbing performance, and many times, the rotational weigh saved from running a lightweight tire low tread tire is worth it over a heavy aggressive trail tire.

    Those are facts.

    I recently worked as a race mechanic at a gnarly east coast XC stage race for some pros and only one of my 5 racers was on 26 inch wheels, and she is small enough to justify based on geometry concerns. All were on the Specialized S-Works Epic. The racer using 26" won the women's Open Enduro classification, so credit where credit is due, but she is also an exceptionally talented descender. The rest were more competitive in the GC with one of my male riders in the top 5 over all and 2nd in the U23 GC with a stage win, and the two other female riders placing first and third in the female open GC with multiple stage wins between them. Not one single pro in that race that was competing for the open GC was on a 26 inch bike. Every single pro that was actually in the running for the podium was on a 29er. That should tell you something.

    You can argue that 26 is more fun, or makes you a better rider. You can argue that you like it more. You can argue that it's better in tight twisty track. You absolutely cannot argue that it's better for riding the gnar up hill. It's physics. Big wheels roll over stuff with less extra effort and that equals higher speeds when climbing with less energy expended. When the chips are down, riding up gnar is the name of the game, and being the fastest going up is how paychecks are earned, no one is riding 26 and that should tell you something. No one was riding more than 100mm of travel either outside of the Enduro stage either.
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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    You do know that I'm twice your age and have been riding for about 10 times longer than you, right?
    So I'm older than you, and think you're a retrogrouch? Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Here's the mtbr thread dedicated to long travel 29er's, it's 14 pages long. The bikes are pretty high end, at least $4-5k retail or more, and uncommon. Please note that less than half the bikes have aggressive rear tires, most of them have lightly nobbed tires:

    Let's see those long travel 29ers! 140mm+ fork only.

    Here is the post your all mountain rig thread, its 343 pages long:

    Let's see those AM setups

    Almost everybody has an aggressive rear tire. Many bikes are upper-mid end, not particularly exotic, and thus MUCH more common on the trails.

    So, while there may be plenty of XC 29er's and 26" AM rigs out there, 29er AM is extremely rare. AM does technical climbing better, all day long.
    And now it's specifically "typical" and "most" AM.

    Just give up while you are merely parsecs behind.

    I am having doubts you even ride a bike, at least without training wheels. Do they make AM tires for training wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Just because your bike isn't set up like that doesn't mean other people don't have bikes set up like that.
    You really need to think deeper into these subjects.
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    You need to share what you are smoking. People who are out to climb tech fast aren't riding long travel bikes. They are riding short travel or hard tail bikes with 29 inch wheels.

    These are the things that make a bike a good climber:

    Lightweight
    Steep Head tube angle + Long stem
    short travel

    long travel All Mountain bikes are none of these things. Tire choice is relevant only to the trail conditions and surfaces. not all trails call for a super aggro tire for good climbing performance, and many times, the rotational weigh saved from running a lightweight tire low tread tire is worth it over a heavy aggressive trail tire.

    Those are facts.

    I recently worked as a race mechanic at a gnarly east coast XC stage race for some pros and only one of my 5 racers was on 26 inch wheels, and she is small enough to justify based on geometry concerns. All were on the Specialized S-Works Epic. The racer using 26" won the women's Open Enduro classification, so credit where credit is due, but she is also an exceptionally talented descender. The rest were more competitive in the GC with one of my male riders in the top 5 over all and 2nd in the U23 GC with a stage win, and the two other female riders placing first and third in the female open GC with multiple stage wins between them. Not one single pro in that race that was competing for the open GC was on a 26 inch bike. Every single pro that was actually in the running for the podium was on a 29er. That should tell you something.

    You can argue that 26 is more fun, or makes you a better rider. You can argue that you like it more. You can argue that it's better in tight twisty track. You absolutely cannot argue that it's better for riding the gnar up hill. It's physics. Big wheels roll over stuff with less extra effort and that equals higher speeds when climbing with less energy expended. When the chips are down, riding up gnar is the name of the game, and being the fastest going up is how paychecks are earned, no one is riding 26 and that should tell you something. No one was riding more than 100mm of travel either outside of the Enduro stage either.
    When I talk about technical climbing, I'm talking about stuff you would never, ever, even possibly think about putting in an XC race, because everybody would simply dismount and run up it. So I guess we're talking about two entirely different things. I'm not questioning that light XC 29er's have an advantage for XC racing.

    Here's a video of a juniors world cup race with a slightly technical climbing section, something I would plow right over without a second thought on my AM bike (and would pretty easily clear on my old school HT). In a race situation, it immediately becomes a hike-a-bike section, because most racers won't even try to clear it.....

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    Pictures man, show the goods. WHAT are you riding up that's so technical, that lesser riders cannot....?
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    Re: The Good Ol' 26er?

    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    Pictures man, show the goods. WHAT are you riding up that's so technical, that lesser riders cannot....?
    I have no dog in this fight however I am curious about this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    Pictures man, show the goods. WHAT are you riding up that's so technical, that lesser riders cannot....?
    I'll get some pics at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    When I talk about technical climbing, I'm talking about stuff you would never, ever, even possibly think about putting in an XC race, because everybody would simply dismount and run up it. So I guess we're talking about two entirely different things. I'm not questioning that light XC 29er's have an advantage for XC racing.
    Newsflash, XC racing is not about riding smooth flow trails fast. It's about climbing up the most technical single track you can find on the mountain as fast as you can, at least it is where I'm from. I know what technical is. I ride downhill gravity stuff too.
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    Clearly turbodog is a double agent, and his true passion is BIG WHEELS.

    Well played dog, but I had you pegged from the gittyup.

    As for myself, I'm gonna ride my 26" till the wheels fall off. By then, I should be "relaxed" enough to consider the two-niner.

    I seriously doubt I would settle for a 650b either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    What's the rigid version of a hardtail....? LOL.

    I rode full rigid for two years when I first started riding. Would not go back. I'll take every advantage I can get - clipless, tubeless, suspension, discs - that I think is worth while. For trail riding, 26" is clearly an advantage over 29er's, so I'm happy to stick with it!
    fair point, bad use of words...hardtail implies only rigid out back with suspension fork, rigid implies no suspension in back or up front

    i have had every flavor of bike i was able to imagine...back around only having 10,000 posts, now i have resigned to having only a hardtail, a rigid MTB and a cross bike, i could never keep up with you

    in summary, 26ers rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    fair point, bad use of words...hardtail implies only rigid out back with suspension fork, rigid implies no suspension in back or up front

    in summary, 26ers rule
    I had a rigid when I first started MTB. The second suspension came out for the front I was all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackitout View Post
    I had a rigid when I first started MTB. The second suspension came out for the front I was all over it.
    i think there is enough of a debate for which there is no "correct" answer in this thread already so i want pontificate why i prefer hardtails/rigid MTBs. the ladies like me rigid so thats why its my main choice nowadays

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    i think there is enough of a debate for which there is no "correct" answer in this thread already so i want pontificate why i prefer hardtails/rigid MTBs. the ladies like me rigid so thats why its my main choice nowadays
    Haha no debate here. Ride what you like. I rode rigid for two years until rockshox came to be. Just my personal preference.
    I love seeing rigid single speeds on the trails. I respect them way more than people with full suspension bikes on trails. They're always nicer people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    i think there is enough of a debate for which there is no "correct" answer in this thread already so i want pontificate why i prefer hardtails/rigid MTBs. the ladies like me rigid so thats why its my main choice nowadays
    Fyi, you preferring hardtails does not seem to imply the ladies like it as much as it implies you like the rigid. Just sayin....

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackitout View Post
    I love seeing rigid single speeds on the trails. I respect them way more than people with full suspension bikes on trails. They're always nicer people.
    not all of them. i for one am an utter ahole though in general, pretty good guys yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    When I talk about technical climbing, I'm talking about stuff you would never, ever, even possibly think about putting in an XC race, because everybody would simply dismount and run up it. So I guess we're talking about two entirely different things. I'm not questioning that light XC 29er's have an advantage for XC racing.

    Here's a video of a juniors world cup race with a slightly technical climbing section, something I would plow right over without a second thought on my AM bike (and would pretty easily clear on my old school HT). In a race situation, it immediately becomes a hike-a-bike section, because most racers won't even try to clear it.....

    UCI Mountain Bike World Cup 2013 in Albstadt, Germany. Men Juniors. - YouTube
    You call that a technical climb. I could make that any time any day.
    In fact, a trail I ride every weekend has a very technical rock garden climb that I can make with my 29er that would be a lot more difficult with a 26er.

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    Re: The Good Ol' 26er?

    Bottom line: turbodog is the best rider on the planet

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    When I talk about technical climbing, I'm talking about stuff you would never, ever, even possibly think about putting in an XC race,
    And yet, you post a link to.... AN XC RACE!!!! lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Here's a video of a juniors world cup race with a slightly technical climbing section, something I would plow right over without a second thought on my AM bike (and would pretty easily clear on my old school HT). In a race situation, it immediately becomes a hike-a-bike section, because most racers won't even try to clear it.....

    UCI Mountain Bike World Cup 2013 in Albstadt, Germany. Men Juniors. - YouTube
    That's "Slightly Technical" to you?


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    This would be a great thread topic to start by a bike company that wants to shake up its product line next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    And yet, you post a link to.... AN XC RACE!!!! lol!

    That's "Slightly Technical" to you?

    Seriously though... what do YOU ride?
    Reading comprehension much? I spent about 30 minutes looking for video of technical climbing in an XC race. That's the best I could do - SLIGHTLY technical - and they walk it. I would not consider that at all challenging, AS I CLEARLY DESCRIBED IN MY PREVIOUS POST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    You call that a technical climb. I could make that any time any day.
    In fact, a trail I ride every weekend has a very technical rock garden climb that I can make with my 29er that would be a lot more difficult with a 26er.
    Cool man, good on you. Maybe you should take up world cup XC racing, because you're clearly a better rider than all those XC wussies in the video who didn't even bother to try it with their 29er race bikes (that are supposedly great for technical cimbing). Why didn't they just fly right over it....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Cool man, good on you. Maybe you should take up world cup XC racing, because you're clearly a better rider than all those XC wussies in the video who didn't even bother to try it with their 29er race bikes (that are supposedly great for technical cimbing). Why didn't they just fly right over it....?
    This is your boss and you took his advice to heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Reading comprehension much? I spent about 30 minutes looking for video of technical climbing in an XC race. That's the best I could do - SLIGHTLY technical - and they walk it. I would not consider that at all challenging, AS I CLEARLY DESCRIBED IN MY PREVIOUS POST.
    Well you should have found this video
    It explains why 29ers are better climbers.
    Also it is sponsored by your favourite bike brand.

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    Maybe it's just the video not showing the steepness of the terrain but the dude on the 26er looks a bit inept when pedaling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    This would be a great thread topic to start by a bike company that wants to shake up its product line next year.
    Are you implying that turbodog is a shill?

    The way consumers have been brainwashed these days, I suspect that is as plausible of a hypothesis as any. Surely anyone that is as good of a debater as he, understands that making assumptions about your own abilities compared to others, without offering any proof, is a really lousy way to convince people of a valid argument. If anything it will push consumers in the opposite direction. I think he owes the 29'er crowd an apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tres Bottelas View Post
    Are you implying that turbodog is a shill?

    The way consumers have been brainwashed these days, I suspect that is as plausible of a hypothesis as any. Surely anyone that is as good of a debater as he, understands that making assumptions about your own abilities compared to others, without offering any proof, is a really lousy way to convince people of any validity to your argument. If anything it will push consumers in the opposite direction. I think he owes the 29'er crowd an apology.
    i would agree though in addition to a public apology (or risk getting banned by the MTBR per their monthly meeting where such issues are discussed) to the 29er crowd (even though most are douchebags), he owes an apology to the 650B crowd as well as me personally, and any others who have hardtails as their primary ride or even short travel suspension (which i believe is anything 5" or less).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post


    Well you should have found this video
    It explains why 29ers are better climbers.
    Also it is sponsored by your favourite bike brand.
    Wow. Are you trying to prove for me how unbelieveable the mag/industry marketing machine is?

    They make the guy on the 26" look completely incompetent.

    The comments are even better, everybody sees right through it.

    Seriously, if you can post something like this and claim that it proves your point, well, I know exactly what level of person I'm dealing with here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tres Bottelas View Post
    Are you implying that turbodog is a shill?

    The way consumers have been brainwashed these days, I suspect that is as plausible of a hypothesis as any. Surely anyone that is as good of a debater as he, understands that making assumptions about your own abilities compared to others, without offering any proof, is a really lousy way to convince people of a valid argument. If anything it will push consumers in the opposite direction. I think he owes the 29'er crowd an apology.
    I'm sorry, on behalf of the bike industry, that we sold all these people glorified hybrids solely on half truths and deceptive marketing.

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    One of the stupidest arguments ever. I like my 26" bikes, I find they fit my riding style well. 29ers feel wonky to me, so I don't dig them for me personally. I could give a **** how fast some XC racer is on them, or if some kid who has a myopic perspective on biking in general thinks they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've had my ass handed to me by riders on all sorts of wheel sizes on all sorts of terrain, as will all of you if you ride enough. I've seen guys on 26" full DH race bikes clean extended techy climbs that I very seriously doubt 2% of the people posting here could manage on any bike. I've seen my 9 y/o on his 30-something lb 24" pass dozens of spandex warriors on walking their carbon 29ers on techy terrain. (Oh, and for Cannondale F9 in particular, since he completely dismisses BMX riding as 'gay' as I recall, I've seen random no-name locals on BMX bikes pull moves that no one ever has on an MTB, or probably ever will). Thinking that because you bought into any particular wheel size or type of bike makes you a better rider actually just makes you a total marketing sucker IME. Be assured, whatever you're riding, there are plenty of people out there riding something completely different that will crush you, no matter how much smoke the salesperson at the local shop blows up your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Wow. Are you trying to prove for me how unbelieveable the mag/industry marketing machine is?

    They make the guy on the 26" look completely incompetent.

    The comments are even better, everybody sees right through it.

    Seriously, if you can post something like this and claim that it proves your point, well, I know exactly what level of person I'm dealing with here.
    If anything, more than a few people went out and bought brand new 26'ers, just so they could see for themselves. After watching that, I personally felt a lot more justified with mine.

    Freegin' brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tres Bottelas View Post
    If anything, more than a few people went out and bought brand new 26'ers, just so they could see for themselves. After watching that, I personally felt a lot more justified with mine.

    Freegin' brilliant.
    to me the video has zero credibility as i dont trust people with strange accents

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    to me the video has zero credibility as i dont trust people with strange accents
    And the fact they make him look like he can't pedal up sticks. It looks so staged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I'm sorry, on behalf of the bike industry, that we sold all these people glorified hybrids solely on half truths and deceptive marketing.

    (Posted from my sinking yacht in the South Pacific)
    Full truths. They never said that 29ers were the best at tight handling, and that is the only place that 29ers are not as good.
    You might want to tend to your imaginary boat, especially because it is probably just a cardboard box in the basement of your mom's house.

    And for the record, I knew the video was highly unfair to the 26" wheel, but it's just showing you that every wheel size has phony videos like that. Even the 26" wheel videos you have been watching to convince yourself that your idiotic concepts are true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    One of the stupidest arguments ever. I like my 26" bikes, I find they fit my riding style well. 29ers feel wonky to me, so I don't dig them for me personally. I could give a **** how fast some XC racer is on them, or if some kid who has a myopic perspective on biking in general thinks they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've had my ass handed to me by riders on all sorts of wheel sizes on all sorts of terrain, as will all of you if you ride enough. I've seen guys on 26" full DH race bikes clean extended techy climbs that I very seriously doubt 2% of the people posting here could manage on any bike. I've seen my 9 y/o on his 30-something lb 24" pass dozens of spandex warriors on walking their carbon 29ers on techy terrain. (Oh, and for Cannondale F9 in particular, since he completely dismisses BMX riding as 'gay' as I recall, I've seen random no-name locals on BMX bikes pull moves that no one ever has on an MTB, or probably ever will). Thinking that because you bought into any particular wheel size or type of bike makes you a better rider actually just makes you a total marketing sucker IME. Be assured, whatever you're riding, there are plenty of people out there riding something completely different that will crush you, no matter how much smoke the salesperson at the local shop blows up your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Full truths. They never said that 29ers were the best at tight handling, and that is the only place that 29ers are not as good.
    You might want to tend to your imaginary boat, especially because it is probably just a cardboard box in the basement of your mom's house.

    And for the record, I knew the video was highly unfair to the 26" wheel, but it's just showing you that every wheel size has phony videos like that. Even the 26" wheel videos you have been watching to convince yourself that your idiotic concepts are true.
    No, it's half truth. They claim that 29er's roll over things better and carry more momentum - true to to simple physics and geometry - but then go and completely fabricate claims that they are better for actually riding.

    Face it, you're a sucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    No, it's half truth. They claim that 29er's roll over things better and carry more momentum - true to to simple physics and geometry - but then go and completely fabricate claims that they are better for actually riding.

    Face it, you're a sucker.
    Man you are like a little kid.
    How many times do you need to be told that you have no credibility until you at least try a 29er and 650b?
    How could you even know the claims are fabricated if you have no experience whatsoever on anything but your 26er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    No, it's half truth. They claim that 29er's roll over things better and carry more momentum - true to to simple physics and geometry - but then go and completely fabricate claims that they are better for actually riding.
    So you're saying that you don't fabricate claims that 26ers are better?
    You certainly are fabricating claims that 26ers are better because you have never ridden a 29er. Until you do it is all your claims are utter rubbish and should be disposed of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    No, it's half truth. They claim that 29er's roll over things better and carry more momentum - true to to simple physics and geometry - but then go and completely fabricate claims that they are better for actually riding.

    Face it, you're a sucker.

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Man you are like a little kid.
    How many times do you need to be told that you have no credibility until you at least try a 29er and 650b?
    How could you even know the claims are fabricated if you have no experience whatsoever on anything but your 26er?
    That's because he is a little kid just like this one. These two are well known as starting arguments over in General. And after many ridicule it came out that they're only 16 years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Full truths. They never said that 29ers were the best at tight handling, and that is the only place that 29ers are not as good.
    You might want to tend to your imaginary boat, especially because it is probably just a cardboard box in the basement of your mom's house.

    And for the record, I knew the video was highly unfair to the 26" wheel, but it's just showing you that every wheel size has phony videos like that. Even the 26" wheel videos you have been watching to convince yourself that your idiotic concepts are true.
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    So I shoot off all full of bravado, hit this wee booter - grabbing some air, then I land - leading into a greasy rut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    That's because he is a little kid just like this one. These two are well known as starting arguments over in General. And after many ridicule it came out that they're only 16 years old.
    I have never started an argument. Clearly Turddog has, but he's a troll. There are some other people who started arguments that I agreed with, but they are now banned, and so is one of them who argued against us.
    Don't make this thread go completely off topic, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I have never started an argument. Clearly Turddog has, but he's a troll. There are some other people who started arguments that I agreed with, but they are now banned, and so is one of them who argued against us.
    Don't make this thread go completely off topic, please.
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    This thread is hilarious. I ride both , they both have their pros and cons. Even though I prefer 26ers I am overall, a little bit faster on my 29er on an XC course, and they sure climb better over tech stuff. Other types of smooth climbs you could call it a wash. I just have more fun on my 26er full suspension camber and rockhopper. Even though I LOVE a 26 wheeled bike (i also love 29ers btw, just a little less), some statements here are beyond the realm of the utterly ridiculous. Turbodog, who are you? Are you really a veteran mtber or are you like 14 or something? They say when people get really old they become like a child again. Is that your case? I sure want to see some of your awesomeness and learn from it. I think we all (humanity) deserve a vid where you show the world you mad skills.

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    My problem is the 27.5" wheel size makes my ass look big.
    Quote Originally Posted by targnik View Post
    So I shoot off all full of bravado, hit this wee booter - grabbing some air, then I land - leading into a greasy rut.

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    Hey Turbidog you act just like the road biker in this video.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx2e9jSSK6E

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    to me the video has zero credibility as i dont trust people with strange accents

    Did anyone else notice that the 26'er was leading the DH at the end of the video? hmmmmmm?

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    jesus f'n christ are you guys still arguing about this?

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    IM old, overweight and slow. Anyone can outride me.

    But I've noticed something about some of the fastest riders. 26, sis-fittyB, or '9'er...about half of them show up at a trailhead, shred the trails for a morning, or an afternoon, then grab a beer.

    There's an old guy lives near me, just got himself a Salsa Vaya. I have an old Japanese roadie: Schwalbe 35's on cheap Weinman 650b rims barely fit and I use it as a faux gravel bike. He and I took a couple of other riders out for a gravel/singletrack/logging road/cowtrail/bushwack ride in June. 60 miles, 9mph avg, pretty much all day.

    One of those riders was the "shred for 2 hours" guy; I installed him on my mid-80's Raleigh 26" rigid. The first half of the day, he was impatient with us slow old fogies. By mile 60, he was keeping up, but not burning any extra. Post-ride, we biked to little local dive, had a beer and burgers, then rode the 3/4 mile to my house. Old shreddy could barely hump that old bike home.

    Do you think it was the 26" wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Probably the same way mine wear her 25+ shoes and bags...
    Ha! Good answer. Count yourself lucky though, mine had 75 at one point

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwheelin View Post
    Even though alot of us are still holding onto and riding our 26ers, I wonder what percentage of people are buying them at this point. Also, what can we expect in the next 5 years or less for a 26? Extinction or just a lack of parts available?
    An interesting question.

    Some bike purchases are steered by sales staff and marketing ploys, some people buy a bike b/c it's what their friend has (brand or specific model) or just a cool, different looking color. Others have made strong points about the 26" losing floor space. When shoppers see 75 bikes on the floor and all but 5 are 650, or twentynines, 'marketing' takes over.

    'We' probably trust the idea that the top selling bikes or models are considered the better bikes but better performance?
    better value?
    or better marketing and advertising ... ? Who knows ?

    These kinds of debates help me realize more and more that I can update or upgrade parts on my 11 year old V brake h/t as-when needed or preferred and if I really need a cool newer gen color or matte finish, I'll just paint the dang thing.
    To justify anything in the newer price points of good quality and spend the coin, I've got a lot more envelope to push anyways and I'm already pretty content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianU View Post
    I have had no interest in the 650b, figuring they are too close to a 26" to be much different. Although I got say, two local riders that have been pretty hardcore 26er holdouts, have recently started riding FS 650b's. They both tried and hated 29ers, but they are loving their 650b's. I am kind of wondering if it has more to do with the quality of the suspension than tire size. One rides an Intense and the other, one of the new KTMs. This does bring up an interesting point. I think by 2016 there will be two standard wheel sizes, the 29er and 650b, with the maybe, just maybe, the exception of DJ and fat tire bikes. What about everything else in 26ers? How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?

    In a year and a half, I am going to bump this post. Going to be fun seeing who gets to eat a big ol' plate of crow.
    I started biking on a mtb frame about the same time, '91 HardRock. Still got it in my effort to be a retro grouch ... lol.
    I haven't shopped for a bike since the disc brakes were the new thing and I've yet to ride a 29 or a 650. My new bike is an 11 y/o h/t Kona with V-brakes.
    With a huge lack of knowledge or experience, I can only say that the reading, hype or advertising on the 650 size seems to give cred to the 26 and the 29 b/c mostly I see "the best of both worlds" stated in context.

    I'm pretty sure I won't be riding over things that are limited by the 26" roll, I do like the current wheelbase and handling and there is no draw for me to go test ride a current h/t with quality components that likely runs 3 to 4 times the cost of my 01 alloy frame bike.
    Nothing is going to push me to go spend $1400 to $1800 on a bike no matter how RockStar it might make me feel or perform.

    I see $850 bikes with cool fenders and baskets that are trying to look like a 1968 Schwinn news boy bike. Those were about $58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    You guys are really stretching on this technical riding thing. I can tell you, every time I've ridden with people on 29ers, I've very clearly outridden them, both climbing and decending. I was riding, while they were walking - especially on the climbs. These are experienced riders too.
    Not doubting but it seems strange. I get the idea of gear ratio / tire size but in many instances I've looked at, the ring size is accounted for on the 29" and comes out a match to the differing ratio for the 26". The simple explanation might be a variable such as the level of fitness for other riders or 'mind over matter'. Maybe they got psyched out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shining_trapezoid View Post
    jesus f'n christ are you guys still arguing about this?
    It's not an argument, it's a discussion.

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    I just bought a 26-er, my first bike in 2.5 years after getting out of riding for what I thought might be for good. I looked into the new sizes, my head spun, I took to Pinkbike and scored a bike I lusted after in the late '00s with a $3k build for $1200, rode it today and loved it. Whatever deficiencies the 26" bike is supposed to have, I don't feel them as a compelling Pain Point...

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    I last mountain biked 10 years ago, on a 26". Decided to buy a mtb this year to compliment road riding. Bought a 26" FS. I go plenty fast for my liking, I can climb and descend steep switchbacks littered with roots and rocks (successfully), I float over small stuff remaining seated, and I can flick the bike where I need to and it complies when I need it to, bike fits in my car no problem. I honestly don't know how a different wheel size can improve my mountain biking experience? Faster - no thanks. Float over larger objects - then I would never need to stand. For the trails I ride I'm really happy with my bike. Oh, and did I mention it's msrp is $5,500 and I paid $2,000 (incl tax)....thank you big bike companies for marketing this new stuff so that I can score a close out deal on this bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tres Bottelas View Post
    Did anyone else notice that the 26'er was leading the DH at the end of the video? hmmmmmm?
    well i guess that is another pro for 26ers

    i have also been wanting a roadbike and am so happy the Tour de France is ending as i need to see who the winner is to know which bike is the best

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    In my opinion, most of the bike industry stuck with 26ers until it became obvious they would need to change or die.

    If 26" bicycles go out of production, new and used parts will be available for decades. Not to mention that a lot of 650B parts can be used with 26" wheels. If you love 26ers, this is a freakin' bonanza. Buy what you need on Ebay for cheap and learn to wrench on it yourself.

    I don't think 29" wheels ever had a shot at killing the 26er. If it happens, blame it on 650B, the wheelsize that was on life support just a few short years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
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    This is the next big thing!

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    Those men look like rapists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan View Post
    Those men look like rapists.
    The 'city bike' ;
    For those with the patience of hanging around in a dark downtown alley.

    Or;
    Bikes of the 60's and 70's look cool. People of the 60's and 70's look scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
    The 'city bike' ;
    For those with the patience of hanging around in a dark downtown alley.

    Or;
    Bikes of the 60's and 70's look cool. People of the 60's and 70's look scary.
    Those look like 29er's to me, definitely 700c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Those look like 29er's to me, definitely 700c.
    They look like 26ers. Clearly you can't tell the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    They look like 26ers. Clearly you can't tell the difference.
    Those are clearly not 26" mountain bike wheels. Actually, they are the brand new 28er size, which should be hitting stores any day now. BUY BUY BUY!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Those are clearly not 26" mountain bike wheels. Actually, they are the brand new 28er size, which should be hitting stores any day now. BUY BUY BUY!!!!
    Well unless those guys are tall those aren't 28 (700c). They look like either 26 or 650.

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    Bye, bye, bye ........

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    I was wrong.... they were more than $58.

    Here's the specs though ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
    I was wrong.... they were more than $58.

    Here's the specs though ....

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    They are Schwinn "lightweight" 26x1-3/8 size, or 597mm bead seat diameter, which puts them at 28er size, by the current industry convention of BSD + 4.5" as with 27.5 and 29er.

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    Turbodog and cannondalef9....you are both idiotic beyond words. Please log off and never return, mtbr would be much better off without you

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    They are Schwinn "lightweight" 26x1-3/8 size, or 597mm bead seat diameter, which puts them at 28er size, by the current industry convention of BSD + 4.5" as with 27.5 and 29er.

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    But it's a 26" rim so I was correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    But it's a 26" rim so I was correct.
    I think Schwinn used photoshop in this 1967 brochure to make these bikes and tires appear bigger.

    They knew it would make the future wheel size debate more interesting.
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    We need a standard by which to measure "technical" terrain. I give this trail ("3-mile Trail") a high "technical" rating. It is difficult. It is more difficult in reverse, but still rideable. I've done it on 26 rigid and 29er rigid. It's still difficult - I'm sure I had some dabs every time.
    (this is a buddy on a FS 26er - riding UP this spot is difficult, I think - but not impossible by any stretch)
    The Good Ol' 26er?-brett3mile.jpg

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