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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Great post:

    Bike industry can get away with that because mountain bikers are SHEEP!

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    SHEEP!
    So I'm sensing you don't hold mountain bikers in such high regard then?

    Okay, I'm with ya. Shut up and ride!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I agree 650b is a scam. Most people buy them because they believe the marketing lies, but 29ers will not die, unless you are listening to Giant, the absolute worst bike brand ever.
    26" is dieing, how many times do we have to tell you this? And 650b will not take over 29". Too many people ride 29ers for that to happen. 29ers are best and I have bikes with both wheel sizes. I can't imagine riding 27" wheeled bikes. They're too close to 26" to be a replacement for 29" and that would be a stupid thing for bike companies to do.
    Actually, market percentage of 26" sales is curently growing.

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    "Actually, market percentage of 26" sales is currently growing."

    You got that information where? Does that figure include big box and related low end bikes? When I go into a bike shop, I hardly see any 26" bikes for sale so, except for leftovers being blown out, where are people getting them. DH is not that significant a segment of the mountain bike market.

    I'm not interested what is better, latest, greatest or anything like that. I just don't understand where you got your information? Was it from a retailer service that reports on what was sold last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    "Actually, market percentage of 26" sales is currently growing."

    You got that information where? Does that figure include big box and related low end bikes? When I go into a bike shop, I hardly see any 26" bikes for sale so, except for leftovers being blown out, where are people getting them. DH is not that significant a segment of the mountain bike market.

    I'm not interested what is better, latest, greatest or anything like that. I just don't understand where you got your information? Was it from a retailer service that reports on what was sold last year?
    **In APRIL 2014, 26" MTB GAINED 5% MARKET SHARE VS. THE MONTH PRIOR, WHILE 650b MTB LOST 3% MARKET SHARE.**

    http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discu...l#post11248692

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    **In APRIL 2014, 26" MTB GAINED 5% MARKET SHARE VS. THE MONTH PRIOR, WHILE 650b MTB LOST 3% MARKET SHARE.**

    http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discu...l#post11248692
    Where are people buying the 26" bikes? Nobody is selling them unless you go to Walmart I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Once the fanboys and trendy people with deep pockets are done, there will be nobody else left to buy 650b, and sales will fall off a cliff. I mean seriously, who is stupid and gullible enough to buy into this fabricated push into a completely new and only slightly different wheel size?
    I think you're assuming the majority of people buying new 650b-wheeled bikes are doing so solely because of the wheel size. I ride a 26" wheeled bike (5spot) and will probably do so for a while yet, simply because I don't feel the need (or have the cash) to upgrade a relatively new bike that still suits my needs. When I do replace it, it will most likely be with a 650b simply because there is more of them in the kind of bike I want (Burner, Bronson, Mach6, Warden, etc vs SB66 and?). I think most people are realising that there is such a marginal difference between the 26" and 650b that they're dropping the wheel-size-fanaticism and buying bikes based on what feels best.

    Banshee offer the Rune and Spitfire with replaceable drop-outs that can take both 26" and 650b. Have a read on the build threads for both bikes and see how many people (experienced riders who value quality hand-made bikes over mass-produced market-hyped Taiwan stuff) are running 27.5" instead of 26", with comments like "it is simply a better bike with the larger wheels".

    You've obviously got a grudge, but I doubt the industry would ever let something like this die after investing so much time/money/R&D into it. I knew a guy who had a similar attitude to yours about trigger shifters when they first came out, he bought ever last pair of XT thumb shifters he could find and was using them for years after they stopped making them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie88 View Post
    Where are people buying the 26" bikes? Nobody is selling them unless you go to Walmart I guess.
    I'm quoting figures that come from bike dealers, not chain stores.

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    I need therapy....

    I'm 55, came to mt. biking late and love it. I have a Giant Warp that I have upgraded top to bottom with 2nd hand parts: a Sherman fork, XT wheels, tubeless tires, dropper post, etc. Its kind of a tank and bobs like you know what out of the saddle.

    I want to take my riding to the next level.

    My question is do I buy a secondhand top of the line 26" wheel bike for cheap ($1500+/-) and get a lot of design and component value (for example a Heckler or Pivot Mach 5) or hold out for a new entry level 27.5 or 29er at $3,000+/-?

    I don't think we are going to stop seeing 26" stock in my riding lifetime....

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    Re: The Good Ol' 26er?

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I'm quoting figures that come from bike dealers, not chain stores.
    Is this what you do all day turbodog? Troll every thread that has "26er" in the title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    Is this what you do all day turbodog? Troll every thread that has "26er" in the title?
    Yep, my guess would be when turbodog should be working.

    Over on the General forum they bumped another 26" thread after 6 days of inactivity just to blather on about their agenda. No proof of their "facts". No way to prove what's going to happen in 2 years even though it's never going to happen the way they hope and pray. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe their actions.

    I'm thinking turdodog can't ride a bike with bigger than 26" wheels because they are so diminutive. A Napoleon complex perhaps? Whatever the problem is I'm sure the clinical term is hard to spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott forty G. View Post
    i switch off different bikes from time to time and use all 3 in different applications.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iamrockandroll13 View Post
    ...but with an unlimited budget for a stable of bikes, I bet you all would have a little bit of everything floating around.
    Of all the noise that tends to stir up whenever the 26er debate comes up, the above quoted items are the 2 thoughts that resonate with me. I'd love to have a rack full of bikes and just pick whichever one seemed to fit the venue I was going to be riding today. I have both 26" and 29" bikes. There are a lot of other differences besides the size of the wheels and I do select which bike to ride based on the venue. But, my quiver is not as full as that "unlimited budget" would permit.

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    Some of the stuff in this thread is downright comical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Some of the stuff in this thread is downright comical.
    Pretty much every thread turdodog participates in becomes a comedy.

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    People are apparently buying 26" bikes being blown out at low prices to make room for 27.5" in the shops I deal with. I still ride two 26" but I'm not so blind as to believe that 27.5" won't replace 26".

    You don't have to like it but that is the trend. Like others have already said, wait until 2014 is over to determine if 27.5" will replace 26" and wait until 2015 to see how many 26" are still produced outside of DH and big box bikes.

    Also, look at current offerings from big companies like Giant, Trek, Specialized, Santa Cruz, etc. etc. etc. The number of 26" bikes with high end builds are all but dead. That is a fact. Anyone can make number say anything they like. What was sold in April vs. March is a blip and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Yep, my guess would be when turbodog should be working.

    Over on the General forum they bumped another 26" thread after 6 days of inactivity just to blather on about their agenda. No proof of their "facts". No way to prove what's going to happen in 2 years even though it's never going to happen the way they hope and pray. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe their actions.

    I'm thinking turdodog can't ride a bike with bigger than 26" wheels because they are so diminutive. A Napoleon complex perhaps? Whatever the problem is I'm sure the clinical term is hard to spell.
    Reported for personal attacks.

    You bring nothing to the table here, just a steady stream of baiting personal attacks. Here are your last six posts, all of which are stalking and abusing me:

    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Ever try a 29er? Nope? End of story. You have no credibility.

    Now go get a life.
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    Pretty much every thread turdodog participates in becomes a comedy.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Yep, my guess would be when turbodog should be working.

    Over on the General forum they bumped another 26" thread after 6 days of inactivity just to blather on about their agenda. No proof of their "facts". No way to prove what's going to happen in 2 years even though it's never going to happen the way they hope and pray. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe their actions.

    I'm thinking turdodog can't ride a bike with bigger than 26" wheels because they are so diminutive. A Napoleon complex perhaps? Whatever the problem is I'm sure the clinical term is hard to spell.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Yes so everyone knows who is stirring the pot on this thread and how credible they are.

    Here is turdodog's direct quote from a previous sh!t stirring thread that turdodog started. Didn't have the balls to continue that thread so has hijacked this one.
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    Getting lonely under the bridge where you live turdodog? Just had to stir that pot for attention didn't ya? What a sad existence.
    I think it's pretty clear who has a problem here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Reported for personal attacks. Try to behave like a civilized person.

    But clearly, you are an industry shill.
    Must have been right on the money to elicit such a response.

    Looks like 26" wheels to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    People are apparently buying 26" bikes being blown out at low prices to make room for 27.5" in the shops I deal with. I still ride two 26" but I'm not so blind as to believe that 27.5" won't replace 26".

    You don't have to like it but that is the trend. Like others have already said, wait until 2014 is over to determine if 27.5" will replace 26" and wait until 2015 to see how many 26" are still produced outside of DH and big box bikes.

    Also, look at current offerings from big companies like Giant, Trek, Specialized, Santa Cruz, etc. etc. etc. The number of 26" bikes with high end builds are all but dead. That is a fact. Anyone can make number say anything they like. What was sold in April vs. March is a blip and nothing more.
    Still high end 26" out there:

    Specialized Bicycle Components
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    ...and more, last time I looked.

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    Yawn................

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Must have been right on the money to elicit such a response.

    Looks like 26" wheels to me.

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    And look! Turbodog's 26er is a beach cruiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Great post:

    Bike industry can get away with that because mountain bikers are SHEEP!

    Riders will agonize and debate with one another every little detail on their bike. This is after all the internet, where everyone is an EXPERT.

    Then they get on the trail where they are just another mediocre rider who cannot actually tell the difference in ride between 26er and 27.5, between 32mm stanctions vs 35mm, or any number of other choices they wasted so much time and effort on.

    But no doubt they they get right back on the internet after the ride to tell everyone how much difference that upgrade made and give themselves a big pat on the back for making such an awesome choice.

    SHEEP!
    You're missing the point of mountain biking. For most of us it's an enjoyable hobby that combines the outdoors, good exercise, and aesthetically pleasing bicycles. It is not life or death, buying new bikes and components doesn't make us angry or bitter, and we don't necessarily find fulfillment in grimly pedaling the cheapest bike we could find down the trail.

    In fact (as I've said), I like spending money on bikes and components. I certainly have to pay a lot of money for things that I don't want to spend money on.

    The debate over the details is part of the fun. And I can tell the difference between parts.

    Mediocre is also the wrong word to use. It implies that there is some purpose to the whole thing when in fact it's just a very interesting recreational activity.

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    Has "Pete" come back as "Turbodog?" If you remember "Pete" you will understand the question.

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    Alright, Enough with the Willy Wonka. it's just creepy

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I think it's pretty clear who has a problem here.

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    Yep it is clear. You have a tremendous problem there.

    Hey wait a second ... I finally figured it out. You're not Napoleon .... you're .... turbodog the Oompa Loompa. Explains the Willy Wonka fixation as well as the inability to ride a big wheeled bike. So obvious now.

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    Benefits of wheel size can, and will likely always be debatable. What we are witnessing, is a huge marketing push towards 27.5 right now as manufacturers see a new market segment to exploit. There's a LOT of hype.

    After this dust settles I do believe, that in time, a resurgence of the "benefits of the 26 wheel" will come full circle - giving yet again another opportunity for marketing exploitation.

    The point is.... I don't have a point.

    Buy what you like. Ride what you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinDiggity View Post
    Yep it is clear. You have a tremendous problem there.

    Hey wait a second ... I finally figured it out. You're not Napoleon .... you're .... turbodog the Oompa Loompa. Explains the Willy Wonka fixation as well as the inability to ride a big wheeled bike. So obvious now.

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    He is an Oompa-Loompa. He never leaves the factory so he doesn't see or understand new trends, but even if he did leave he wouldn't fit on a larger wheel size anyway, and I agree with the Willy Wonka addiction. Either that or he's a short little kid lying about his age and experience and is jealous of our new fancy bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    Benefits of wheel size can, and will likely always be debatable. What we are witnessing, is a huge marketing push towards 27.5 right now as manufacturers see a new market segment to exploit. There's a LOT of hype.

    After this dust settles I do believe, that in time, a resurgence of the "benefits of the 26 wheel" will come full circle - giving yet again another opportunity for marketing exploitation.
    It's all hype!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    LOL, keep dreaming kiddo. 650b is going to steal sales from the 29er market.

    People who know what's up will continue buying 26" just like they always have, and a good number of 29er's are already coming back to 26".

    Most serious riders see 650b for the marketing scam that it is.
    Why all the butthurt over wheel size? Seems trite. There are a lot of long time riders that aren't just buying 650b and 29ers because they are suckered in by a scam, myself included. Variety is the spice of life, eh? I'm just glad I have the opportunity to own a bike and ride great trails, period. That's what mountain biking was originally about anyway, tweaking and trying new things. That feeling of enjoyment hasn't changed for most people just because of technological change as far as I'm concerned. Be glad we live a free life with choices, it could be far worse.

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    The Good Ol' 26er?

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    and a good number of 29er's are already coming back to 26".
    You love to post sources, so....
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    I got the Minion 2.5 29er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Nah, 650b is going to die off pretty quickly when mountain bike sales tank this spring and summer because of it.

    650b is being pushed by Taiwan bike makers, Giant's parent company and whomever makes Trek (partly Giant). They are pretty annoyed about having to supply both 29er's and 26". They'd like to kill off both and just have 650b. Fact is though, that's a fools errand. The people who like 29er's (XC racers and dirt roadies) are pretty much rabid about them and won't step down to 650b. Real trail riders are still riding 26", or will come back to 26" after being sold a 29er that didn't work for them.

    Once the fanboys and trendy people with deep pockets are done, there will be nobody else left to buy 650b, and sales will fall off a cliff. I mean seriously, who is stupid and gullible enough to buy into this fabricated push into a completely new and only slightly different wheel size?
    But Kona and Santa Cruz are pushing up production on the next round of tweeners? Also, Gwinn has been doing some of the cup on a 7ish inch travel 650b. I am skeptical of new things mountain bike. But between the bikes evolving around this wheel and the amount of them I'm seeing at the trailhead, I have to believe this is going to stay around for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumpityBump View Post
    Why all the butthurt over wheel size? Seems trite. There are a lot of long time riders that aren't just buying 650b and 29ers because they are suckered in by a scam, myself included. Variety is the spice of life, eh? I'm just glad I have the opportunity to own a bike and ride great trails, period. That's what mountain biking was originally about anyway, tweaking and trying new things. That feeling of enjoyment hasn't changed for most people just because of technological change as far as I'm concerned. Be glad we live a free life with choices, it could be far worse.
    I feel personally insulted by a segment of the bike industry, for obvious reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I got the Minion 2.5 29er.
    Nice. How's that working for you? Amazing tires.

    They are claimed at just over 1000g, bit heavy? My 2.3's are 750g in 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    I feel personally insulted by a segment of the bike industry, for obvious reasons.
    I think you should write them, the segment of the bike industry responsible, a strongly worded letter detailing the pain and suffering you are enduring as a result of others having more fun on their bike than you.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    I think you should write them, the segment of the bike industry responsible, a strongly worded letter detailing the pain and suffering you are enduring as a result of others having more fun on their bike than you.
    I might do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    You're missing the point of mountain biking. For most of us it's an enjoyable hobby that combines the outdoors, good exercise, and aesthetically pleasing bicycles. It is not life or death, buying new bikes and components doesn't make us angry or bitter, and we don't necessarily find fulfillment in grimly pedaling the cheapest bike we could find down the trail.

    In fact (as I've said), I like spending money on bikes and components. I certainly have to pay a lot of money for things that I don't want to spend money on.

    The debate over the details is part of the fun. And I can tell the difference between parts.

    Mediocre is also the wrong word to use. It implies that there is some purpose to the whole thing when in fact it's just a very interesting recreational activity.
    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Great post:

    Bike industry can get away with that because mountain bikers are SHEEP!

    Riders will agonize and debate with one another every little detail on their bike. This is after all the internet, where everyone is an EXPERT.

    Then they get on the trail where they are just another mediocre rider who cannot actually tell the difference in ride between 26er and 27.5, between 32mm stanctions vs 35mm, or any number of other choices they wasted so much time and effort on.

    But no doubt they they get right back on the internet after the ride to tell everyone how much difference that upgrade made and give themselves a big pat on the back for making such an awesome choice.

    SHEEP!
    Evdog or as we call him around here (mini-me due to a striking resemblance vern troyer) is completely missing the point. This is in part to his opinion of himself that he is not a sheep, expert of all things and not a mediocre rider. When in fact, he is a mediocre rider, a sheep and does not know it all.

    Mountain biking is supposed to be fun and who cares if there is a debate between wheel sizes, 32mm stanchions vs 35mm stanchions. Hell, my wife doesn't know any of those things and she can kick your ass on the bike. And shes only ridden a 29er since we started riding 5 years ago. We are now in the process of selling her FS 29er and going to go with 650b. She will still have a HT 29er for most of her XC stuff.

    Don't be so angry and bitter evdog. Stop lurking and trolling the internet day in and day out. It is a lonely way to live a social life.

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    The Brits don't seem to be taking this 650b thing very well either:

    650b no difference??? « Singletrack Forum

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    Re: The Good Ol' 26er?

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    The Brits don't seem to be taking this 650b thing very well either:

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    If there's no difference just MAKE YOUR NEXT BIKE A 650 AND STOP *****ING ABOUT IT. Problem solved

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    The Brits don't seem to be taking this 650b thing very well either:

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    Interesting read.
    "And now they've got away with this, just wait and see how many standards they change in the move to road discs.
    They've established that they can screw us over as often as they like and we will just bend over and take it."

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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    Who screwed us? They're running businesses, we're consumers. Vote with your wallet and stfu.

    I feel lucky to have choices and be able to ride a bike that is light years more capable than what I had 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    The Brits don't seem to be taking this 650b thing very well either:

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    Actually, that thread reads pretty much just like this thread with supporters, fence sitters, and whiners like yourself. Time to put on your big boy pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Nice. How's that working for you? Amazing tires.

    They are claimed at just over 1000g, bit heavy? My 2.3's are 750g in 26".
    What are you pedaling and trail type? I have few of the purgatory 2.4's and love them.

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    An entertaining read. Been mountain biking since 1990 and rode my first nice 29er about 7 years ago. Trek HT of some sort. Can not remember what model, but the gentleman that let me try it is a hard core racer geek and has always spent lots of money on his rides. Anyway, once I got out of the parking lot and had to focus on the trail and stopped staring at that huge tire in front of me, I thought why the hell have I had to put up with 26" wheels for so long. Have I ever thought that 29ers would replace 26ers? In the xc world, which is where the majority of riders fall, I figured the 29er would rule and it has. But the 26er would hang in there for other types of riding.

    I have had no interest in the 650b, figuring they are too close to a 26" to be much different. Although I got say, two local riders that have been pretty hardcore 26er holdouts, have recently started riding FS 650b's. They both tried and hated 29ers, but they are loving their 650b's. I am kind of wondering if it has more to do with the quality of the suspension than tire size. One rides an Intense and the other, one of the new KTMs. This does bring up an interesting point. I think by 2016 there will be two standard wheel sizes, the 29er and 650b, with the maybe, just maybe, the exception of DJ and fat tire bikes. What about everything else in 26ers? How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?

    In the last 24 years, I have heard and read similar debates on trigger shifters, disc brakes, 9-speed, and wide riser bars. There has been just as many items and ideas that have fallen by the wayside. By and far, the mountain biking community has been and is a pretty trendy group. Everyone has a retro grouch in the group, but the majority are always looking for the latest and greatest. Regardless of how much the industry has tried to supposedly force fads down our throats, in the long run, things that work stick around and those that don't, go away.

    In a year and a half, I am going to bump this post. Going to be fun seeing who gets to eat a big ol' plate of crow.

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    The Good Ol' 26er?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianU View Post
    ... How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?
    Quicker steering
    Quicker acceleration
    Easier to pedal kick
    Easier to build short chain stay frames
    Axle closer to ground requires less lean angle to turn same arc
    Fits wider range of riders
    Fits easier onto bike racks
    Fits easier into car or trunk
    Wheels are lighter and stronger
    Small diameter brake rotors provide plenty of stopping power (less weight = lower rotating mass)
    Strong second hand market for parts

    These things will matter to some more than others. If you think you need more roll over then by all means ride a bigger wheel. More 26er crap for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    Nice. How's that working for you? Amazing tires.

    They are claimed at just over 1000g, bit heavy? My 2.3's are 750g in 26".
    Yeah, but it's a minion. Best damn tire ever, and in 29x2.5, amazing. IDK if I'd try skinnier. I've ran the 2.5s many times and I felt like that was the sweet spot for DH.
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    I'll be sticking with my ss 26 and buying a cyclocross instead of a 27.5 or 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Yeah, but it's a minion. Best damn tire ever, and in 29x2.5, amazing. IDK if I'd try skinnier. I've ran the 2.5s many times and I felt like that was the sweet spot for DH.
    I took off old style single ply 2.5's to mount the 2.30's. A hair narrower, but clearly lighter. Grip just as well for me.

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    Advantages of 26 0ver 650b

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianU View Post
    How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?
    Well, 26" is potentially around 6% lighter / stronger / stiffer / faster to accelerate / more agile / shorter in the stays / FUN! over 650B.

    That 6% gain in those areas where 26" actually has the advantage, is the reason I wish the bike industry sshls would go back to them as the premier wheel size.

    Unfortunately, when they do go back to smaller wheel sizes in a few years, we all know that the move will come with a bunch of new "standards" making everything that went before irrelevant. For them its about making money, not riding bikes.

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    "How about this for turn-about.....what significant advantage does the 26" wheel offer over the 650b?" (BrianU)

    Well, 26" is potentially around 6% lighter / stronger / stiffer / faster to accelerate / more agile / shorter in the stays / FUN! over 650B.

    That 6% gain in those areas where 26" actually has the advantage, is the reason I wish the bike industry sshls would go back to them as the premier wheel size.

    Unfortunately, when they do go back to smaller wheel sizes in a few years, we all know that the move will come with a bunch of new "standards" making everything that went before irrelevant. For them its about making money, not riding bikes.

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    You mean a corporation wants to make money?????

    Oh, the horrors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    It's all hype!

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    Seriously what is with all those OLD Charlie and the Chocolate factory references?

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