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    Further proof that frame snapping is BAD!!

    Snapped my frame on a 4 footer to flat in a concrete wash. had to have my dad help me rip my lip from my braces cause it was nearly through. My eyelids were bleeding, shoulder all messed up, but nothing permanent or even broken bones.
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    Ouch!

    Ohmygosh. That's gotta hurt. Good that the braces kept your teeth wired into your head where they belong. Glad to see nothing worse happened and you can still post. Don't do that again!

    You'll be the first I've directly seen break a Heckler (which I also ride). You don't look big enough to break a Heckler, even on a 4' drop to flat. Where's the broken bike picture? Where'd the frame snap?
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    ouch. nice mug. the lips from braces part sounds gross. where did the frame snap?
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    no i got the heckler after my old giant frame snapped. it was an ancient hardtail that i used for street riding. ill try to get pics. oh ya, it snapped near the headtube
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    Here's some pics of the frame. yes i know i shouldn't have been riding it anyway.
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    Thanks for Bike Pic

    Wow, the bike tubes look like they both simultaneously sheared off, not at a weld like I'd expect.

    I gather this happened a while ago, which is why you're recovered enough to buy a new bike and do a post.

    How did it happen? How about the rest of the story?
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    it happened probable a month ago and i was riding with my cousin around neihgborhoods just looking for stuff to mess around on (Drops,natural jumps, stairs, etc) so we found this was with that spikey concrete that comes up about a half inch to super sharp points. so i did some wall rides and just jumping in it and then i saw at the end was this drop that went from the desert preserve into the wash. so i did it and just as i landed i feel something snap, no noise just this feeling, then the next thing i know, my hands are down at my ankles with the handlebars and the concrete is getting offly close. next thing i remember is my cousing shaking me and my head hurting real bad. I got up and asked him if i needed stiches. him, being the 11 year old he is, was speechless. so i got out my camera phone, yes it comes in handy, and layed eyes on my mangled face. there was blood dripping from my eyelids and i could not spit the blood out fast enough that was in my mouth. i called up my dad and he drove to me. While waiting i tried to gt my lip off my braces but it was stuck. i mean i was yanking with two adrenaline pumped hands. My dad arrives and together we get my lip free and head to urgent care. the results come back that there are no broken bones or damage to my actual eyes. they did comment over and over that i was extremely lucky. So all i had were flesh wounds and two busted braces, not that bad. and i was healed and riding in 11 days ( i heel exeptionally quick).
    So theres my story.
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    Glad you're okay. Now I keep thinking about what my mouth innards would feel like after pulling 'em off braces (I have had lacerations inside my mouth but not like that)...no, make that having someone else pull 'em off.

    If it's okay by you I think I'll save your pix for the next time someone asks if it's okay to jump or huck a bike not built for the purpose...I sure hope you can't do that to a Heckler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    Glad you're okay. Now I keep thinking about what my mouth innards would feel like after pulling 'em off braces (I have had lacerations inside my mouth but not like that)...no, make that having someone else pull 'em off.

    If it's okay by you I think I'll save your pix for the next time someone asks if it's okay to jump or huck a bike not built for the purpose...I sure hope you can't do that to a Heckler.
    ya thats the reason i bought a heckler.
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    Ok...

    I see your picture up there, but where's the one of you showing your injuries?
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    sorry to here that...were you wearing a full face helmet?? or any helmet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stophovr6
    ouch. nice mug. the lips from braces part sounds gross. where did the frame snap?

    You stole my old avatar!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    sorry to here that...were you wearing a full face helmet?? or any helmet
    no unfortunately no helmet at all. although i doubt anything but a full face would have helped. and i dont have the money for one right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    no unfortunately no helmet at all. although i doubt anything but a full face would have helped. and i dont have the money for one right now.

    you don't have the money for a helmet, but you do have the money for doctor bills....hmmm very interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    you don't have the money for a helmet, but you do have the money for doctor bills....hmmm very interesting
    thats where my money went to. plus i already have a regular helmet so i think i will be fine if I wear it. which i have been now
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    thats where my money went to. plus i already have a regular helmet so i think i will be fine if I wear it. which i have been now
    And I doubt the Heckler was free either. If you can find money for an expensive bike and doctor, you can get money for a full face helmet that you need for your big jump riding.

    I always wear a good Giro Xen helmet, but your "after" picture makes me want to get a full face helmet now as I practice drops over 2-3'.
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    Lucky it wasn't worse!

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    Some people need full face helmets even off their bikes because they're just so ignorant.


    Here's some words of wisdom:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry
    And I doubt the Heckler was free either. If you can find money for an expensive bike and doctor, you can get money for a full face helmet that you need for your big jump riding.

    I always wear a good Giro Xen helmet, but your "after" picture makes me want to get a full face helmet now as I practice drops over 2-3'.
    I don't really think you need a full face for 3' drops. my buddies have done 14 foot drops with a tranny with regular helmets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    I don't really think you need a full face for 3' drops.
    funny that you should say that since you just smashed your face into the ground off a 4' drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    I don't really think you need a full face for 3' drops. my buddies have done 14 foot drops with a tranny with regular helmets.
    The point is I'm practicing to do bigger 3' to 4' and more jumps on my own without much advice other than what I read on the web, which means making lots of mistakes. I'm sure your friends worked their way up to those big drops with lots of smashes on smaller jumps and lots of advice.

    Also, big 14' drops are very dangerous, no matter what equipment you have, and require extremely good skills and setup. Although the best protection is to have good skills and equipment, they'd be wise to wear more armor.

    My dentist told me last week that one tooth implant may cost me as much as $6000. (I'm still fighting for an alternative.) I count how many bikes I could buy with a few teeth or jaw knocked out and figure the face helmet's a real bargain. Could save some pain too. Your braces may have saved some of your teeth and massive dental implant costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    I don't really think you need a full face for 3' drops. my buddies have done 14 foot drops with a tranny with regular helmets.
    And when your buddies go run and jump off that 1,000 cliff are you going to follow them??? Sorry it's your own fault for knowing you should be wearing a helmet and not wearing one, but then again I bet you looked cool. Get the FF helmet and save yourself the grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    Snapped my frame on a 4 footer to flat in a concrete wash. had to have my dad help me rip my lip from my braces cause it was nearly through. My eyelids were bleeding, shoulder all messed up, but nothing permanent or even broken bones.
    I saw and responded to you post over on the Santa Cruz board about rear shock options, and now I understand your great concern regarding pushing equipment past it's intended use. Just so you know, even if you do push the limits on the 5th Air or Vanilla R, the worst that is going to happen is you bottom the shock out or damage it, and you will bottom it out well before you damage it. In any event, it is highly unlikely to be the cause of an accident.

    I am glad to hear you were not hurt in any truly serious capacity, and that you seem to have learned from this the importance of having the right tool for the job. Just remember that the right helmet is part of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry
    The point is I'm practicing to do bigger 3' to 4' and more jumps on my own without much advice other than what I read on the web, which means making lots of mistakes. I'm sure your friends worked their way up to those big drops with lots of smashes on smaller jumps and lots of advice.

    Also, big 14' drops are very dangerous, no matter what equipment you have, and require extremely good skills and setup. Although the best protection is to have good skills and equipment, they'd be wise to wear more armor.

    My dentist told me last week that one tooth implant may cost me as much as $6000. (I'm still fighting for an alternative.) I count how many bikes I could buy with a few teeth or jaw knocked out and figure the face helmet's a real bargain. Could save some pain too. Your braces may have saved some of your teeth and massive dental implant costs.
    Ya your right i should get one. maybe ill try to get a job this summer and save up to buy one. thanks for persuading me to be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    And when your buddies go run and jump off that 1,000 cliff are you going to follow them??? Sorry it's your own fault for knowing you should be wearing a helmet and not wearing one, but then again I bet you looked cool. Get the FF helmet and save yourself the grief.
    Why would they jump off a 1,000' cliff in the first place?
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    hey thanks for the advice everyone. its you guys who keep me in check sfety wise. i think ill start saving today. any cost friendly FF helments out there that look decent?
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    definitely check out the 661 Full Comp.
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    only 70 bucks. i guess they are cheaper than i thought.

    Are any helmets cooler, like more vents or something, because i live in phoenix where it easily gets above 110 in summer. its already going to be in the 90's this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    Why would they jump off a 1,000' cliff in the first place?
    I dunno, same reason they'd do a 14' drop without proper protection - cause they can and may be stupid enough to try it. Since you didn't get it the gist is you don't do every stupid thing your friends do, cause you know better.

    BTW sorry for the injury, looks almighty painful. I've had my teeth knocked out with a hockey stick, but luckily I was grinning so my lips didn't get anything. As stated very expensive to get implants - I didn't 1/2 of 1 toothe survived and was rebuilt other removed and I wear a plate. Still cost about $1,500+ in dental work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    only 70 bucks. i guess they are cheaper than i thought.

    Are any helmets cooler, like more vents or something, because i live in phoenix where it easily gets above 110 in summer. its already going to be in the 90's this week.
    and they are very puurrr-tee

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    edit. i failed to read info given above.
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    OUCH! Damn.

    Hope you get better soon man.

    In the meantime, check Cambria or Jensons periodically because sometimes they clear out Bell or SixSixOne full face for less than $40.

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    Hows the helmet look....

    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    Snapped my frame on a 4 footer to flat in a concrete wash. had to have my dad help me rip my lip from my braces cause it was nearly through. My eyelids were bleeding, shoulder all messed up, but nothing permanent or even broken bones.
    .......

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    Not the bike I'd use for 1 ft drop...

    and certainly not for a 4 ft drop. But that's just me. I'm sure that this thing was waiting to give out on you a long time ago.

    My advice, if you're going to practice doing drops (me, I prefer riding, not dropping), inspect your frame regularly. Especially if you F-up a landing repeatedly. If the impact jars you, think of what the force will do to that frame. RST shock for a 4 footer??? I'm surprised you didn't blow the seals (repeatedly) a long time ago.

    Wear a helmet!!!

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    Do my eyes deceive me, or is that really a Giant MTX 250? AKA a $200 24" recreational kids' bike. And a couple years old, looks like... No wonder it snapped.

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    dang that's gota hurt. i just did that on my 2002 Giant Iguana about 1 1/2 montha ago, only it happened on a log pile right befor a 10ft. drop off that i have hit tones of times befor. lucky i didn't get hurt

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    opps sorry to here you got hurt

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    noooooooo, why did this have to be brought back? now the helmet cops will once again prey on me like coyotes on a rotting carcass.
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    dude..

    you should've been wearing a helmet - this wouldn't have happened to you - you're lucky you didn't die....

    :-P I couldn't resist.....LOL
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    nice face

    i smashed my face on a rock last weekend.. sweling has finally gone down

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    I was wondering where the avatar pic was from.. Nasty.

    Funny, I used to work at a shop and I've seen a couple other old giants that failed in the same spot.

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    And who the hell would ever think that frame snapping is anything but bad

    And I would have to say that was your bad for overshooting your bikes abilities and without a helmet (not too smart in my book )

    Your lucky it wasn't worse. But glad your ok to learn from your mistakes.

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    if you guys would look where my cuts are, you would see a helmet wouldnt do anything. a regular helmet would have been obsolete because they sit so high on your forehead.

    and you guys are more mad at me than my own parents, my dad came up to me in urgent care and punched me in my arm and said "its about time you start gettin hurt"

    sheesh you people
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    Actually....

    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    if you guys would look where my cuts are, you would see a helmet wouldnt do anything. a regular helmet would have been obsolete because they sit so high on your forehead.

    and you guys are more mad at me than my own parents, my dad came up to me in urgent care and punched me in my arm and said "its about time you start gettin hurt"

    sheesh you people
    If your helmet doesn't cover your forehead, then you are wearing it wrong. It should be halfway down your forehead.

    Still, 4' drops on a hardtail XC bike with no lid is Darwin at work, sorry to tell you...

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    haha ilove reading the darwin awards, but i dont plan on being read about
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    haha ilove reading the darwin awards, but i dont plan on being read about
    Ouch.....that should've hurt. I hope you've been doing better.

    Dude, no offense intended... but you were VERY close for a Darwin Award Nomination.... ridig that bike with no helmet on a 4 footer.... hhhmmmmmnnn
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    haha a 4 footer is not big i dont know why that is a factor, if it was like a 10 with no helmet that couldbe dumb but 4 really is nothin to get worked up bout
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    Check your equipment

    I'm not going to tell you that you need to buy a $4000 bike to ride agressively.

    Heck I rode the shore for a year on an old 1998 cross country bike. You can either spend a lot for a bike that will last a long time under these conditions or spend little and replace bikes often. Each approach is fine.

    However, if you are going to ride that hard on lower end equipment, then you should check your stuff for cracks at least weekly.

    Chances are that if you had inspected the bike more frequently you would have spotted that crack before it failed on you like that. Sometimes you can't see the crack but cracked paint is a clue that the metal beneath is deforming.

    I'm not trying to act like I'm any better I had a crank arm break right in half on a 4foot trials drop. I wasn't hurt at all but it could have been really ugly (I know a guy who needed 13 stitches to his leg when his crank broke and slit him right up the calf) I had an easton scandium handlebar break on me too. In both of these cases, when I inspected the part after it broke I saw that there was an existing crack that I would have been able to spot earlier.

    So check your stuff and for chrissakes wear a helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    haha a 4 footer is not big i dont know why that is a factor, if it was like a 10 with no helmet that couldbe dumb but 4 really is nothin to get worked up bout
    Your very first post on this thread proves you wrong, my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdub
    no unfortunately no helmet at all. although i doubt anything but a full face would have helped. and i dont have the money for one right now.
    Think back to the resulting pain from this crash then ask yourself if you can find $75 for a six six one full face helmet.

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