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    Upset E-bikes on Mtn Bike Trails

    Yesterday I went riding at the White Tanks Competitive Track In Phoenix, Az. I was in the parking lot getting ready to ride. Before I got to the parking lot I noticed a truck parked where the pavement ends and an individual was getting ready to ride, bike in truck. Didn't think anything about it. Then I noticed the rider going through the parking lot heading for trail. Something looked different about his bike. Then I saw the large rear hub. This was an E-Bike. I thought how lazy. Then I saw the trail he was leaving. The bike with power to the rear wheel was digging in the the trail, especially on the climbs & was sliding on the corners. It is like a Motor Cycle. The trail sign says no motorized vehicles. When I finished my lap went to see if he was still parked there. He was gone. That is why he didn't park in the regular parking lot
    My point is not being lazy but Mountain Bikers a losing trails. A contraption like this will not help the issue.
    So be on the look out for e-bikes on trails. Let them know about it.
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    Let the battle begin!

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    Was there a handicapped tag hanging from his rearview mirror? If not, you should have punched him in the face.

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    ^^^ lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhartman18 View Post
    This was an E-Bike. I thought how lazy. Then I saw the trail he was leaving. The bike with power to the rear wheel was digging in the the trail, especially on the climbs & was sliding on the corners. It is like a Motor Cycle.
    Please take the time to re-post what you witnessed in the 'Fifty+' forum (see thread link below). You'll see there's a pretty heated e-bike debate going on & those few who are defending e-bikes claim they have no more impact on trails than the average MTB.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fifty-years-o...ol-992022.html

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    Now go back and have another look but this time unbiased and also look at the trail damage done by a regular bike. I think you'll find they are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRPABT1 View Post
    Now go back and have another look but this time unbiased and also look at the trail damage done by a regular bike. I think you'll find they are the same.
    I think you're being a bit biased. If it had a throttle, it very easily could do much more extensive damage than a real mountain bike. It's darn near impossible to tell the difference without getting up close and personal. Hence the heated debates on this topic.

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    I can't wait for the "ebikes destroyed my KOM" threads.

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    Regardless of what sort of ebike it was, if it's posted non motorized, it shouldn't have been there.

    Letting the ranger know is more effective than posting on a forum btw.

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    Does an E-bike have that kind of power to make a rut from hitting the gas? I was under the impression that they don't possess that amount of umph. I have yet to encounter any on the trails, but at this point I acquiesce. i could care less so long as they don't damage trails at any rate more than us nor pose any danger to anyone due to potential throttle power or what not.
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    Ebikes do not have a throttle like a motorcycle correct? It's only assist based on rider pedaling.... I looked at one in the trek store and that's how it was explained to me. So I guess If you were to have explosive speed you may or may not damage the trail.... But if you have explosive speed why are you on an ebike?

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    Does an E-bike have that kind of power to make a rut from hitting the gas?
    The short answer is stock ebikes from your LBS no, kit ebikes, yes.

    Class 1 bikes are pedal assist with no throttle.
    Class 2 may or may not be pedal assist with a throttle on demand, same power/speed limits as class 1
    Class 3 may have a throttle and higher power/speed limits.

    The problem is that how the power is measured can vary, so it's easy to have a "legal" motor that is more powerful than intended. Aside from stickers designating the class, all three bikes are virtually identical. They are easy to mod to bypass speed/power limiters.

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    The CA regulations are solely to make people feel better since there are now regulations in place. They effectively will do little in actually regulating the bikes since it's so easy to bypass them and there will be little enforcement on the ground. The industry having pushed to have regulations defined are now free to sell, sell, sell.

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    I saw three e-bikes on the trail today. They blew past us so fast there was a sonic boom and a flurry of dust. I felt the tingle of electricity and the smell of singed flesh. The ruts they left behind could now serve as ditches!

    Actually they rode by us at a normal speed both uphill and downhill sections. You could hear a faint weird electrical motor sound as they rode by but nothing else out of the ordinary.

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    The throttle vs. pedal assist is dependent on the different type of hub and control circuit. A friend has an e-bike with both (and I did give him grief about using an ebike, but it's only for commuting). Depending on the motor size used and battery, they can easily spin out with enough torque to damage a trail.

    Only reason for an e-bike is if you're physically handicapped (like missing a leg handicapped) or for commuting a long distance. Even using one for commuting is lame, but at least it has the purpose of going from A to B without drive a car.
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    It's hard for me to disparage e-bikes without thinking I'm just another crank complaining about some new feature the industry comes up with. Sure, it makes riding easier. Just like gears, suspension, aluminum/carbon frames, big wheels, fat tires, etc, etc. All of these were new at some point, and we buy them because they make riding EASIER. My only concern is if the motors get so powerful that riders rip up the trail or become a danger to others. Then it's an electric motorcycle and should be verboten.
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    The real problem isn't the trail damage or lack thereof today,the problem is that its another reason for mtb access to be banned or not allowed in a future area. Ebikes and regular MTB's would be lumped together by the bike haters. Who expects any mountain bike trail organization to lobby for allowing motorized bikes on non motorized trails and how could they do it with a straight face when we've been arguing the opposite since day one?

    Where's the benefit to the exisiting mtb community and what we've built?

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    i am a sock puppet. This is a sock puppet rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    The real problem isn't the trail damage or lack thereof today,the problem is that its another reason for mtb access to be banned or not allowed in a future area. Ebikes and regular MTB's would be lumped together by the bike haters. Who expects any mountain bike trail organization to lobby for allowing motorized bikes on non motorized trails and how could they do it with a straight face when we've been arguing the opposite since day one?


    Where's the benefit to the exisiting mtb community and what we've built?
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    Its sad, every hobby I have someone is out to shut it down: bike haters, anti guners, anti fishing, anti hunters, etc. I just got back into mountain biking and people want it shut down.
    sorry got off topic there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt338 View Post
    Its sad, every hobby I have someone is out to shut it down: bike haters, anti guners, anti fishing, anti hunters, etc. I just got back into mountain biking and people want it shut down.
    sorry got off topic there.
    I know! These e-bike backers are working on getting mountain bikes banned from singletrack in many places by lumping e-bikes and mountain bikes together. It's extremely sad, but not as sad as when trail access is lost.

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    Weak troll. not buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    The throttle vs. pedal assist is dependent on the different type of hub and control circuit. A friend has an e-bike with both (and I did give him grief about using an ebike, but it's only for commuting). Depending on the motor size used and battery, they can easily spin out with enough torque to damage a trail.

    Only reason for an e-bike is if you're physically handicapped (like missing a leg handicapped) or for commuting a long distance. Even using one for commuting is lame, but at least it has the purpose of going from A to B without drive a car.
    Why is commuting on an e-bike lame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    Why is commuting on an e-bike lame?
    answer a): A lot of people on this website have been working on strengthening themselves and building up their endurance for many years. Would you think that it was lame for me to use an electric grocery cart because I wasn't in the mood to walk across the grocery store?

    answer b): This is a website discussion forum and people are entitled to their opinion-hence the term 'discussion'.

    answer c): Because commuting on an Ebike is lame.
    I'd rather push my 29er than ride a road bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterbill View Post
    answer a): A lot of people on this website have been working on strengthening themselves and building up their endurance for many years. Would you think that it was lame for me to use an electric grocery cart because I wasn't in the mood to walk across the grocery store?

    answer b): This is a website discussion forum and people are entitled to their opinion-hence the term 'discussion'.

    answer c): Because commuting on an Ebike is lame.
    I'm no fan of e-bike being considered as identical to real bikes as far as trail access goes, but on the street, who gives a damn? Most people that ride bikes also drive cars or motorcycles. How exactly does that affect someone else's fitness, or anything else for that matter? Don't see why any would give a shit about this at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Don't see why any would give a shit about this at all.
    Some, and some more than others, including your humble poster in weaker moments, think that their opinions are very important and that others should accept them as such.

    My better self thinks that before I should tell others what they should/shouldn't do, I need to be able to demonstrate the harm that results from their current behavior.
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    I think ISIS is the moneybacker for these demon bikes. They want to shut down our freedom and dreams. They are jealous because they have no loamy goodness to shred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
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    Only reason for an e-bike is if you're physically handicapped (like missing a leg handicapped) or for commuting a long distance. Even using one for commuting is lame, but at least it has the purpose of going from A to B without drive a car.
    Or, I guess, if someone just wants one. Who cares if some of us feel that they are 'too easy.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    Or, I guess, if someone just wants one. Who cares if some of us feel that they are 'too easy.'
    I CARE. My internet, my rules. YMMV

    I really don't care that much, but I just don't see the point. If a person wanted motorized bikes, just get a motocross bike. Probably less expensive than a good e-bike, and it can be used what it was built for. Putting a battery on a bike and using it to "challenge" yourself on the trail is just cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misterbill View Post
    answer a): A lot of people on this website have been working on strengthening themselves and building up their endurance for many years. Would you think that it was lame for me to use an electric grocery cart because I wasn't in the mood to walk across the grocery store?

    answer b): This is a website discussion forum and people are entitled to their opinion-hence the term 'discussion'.

    answer c): Because commuting on an Ebike is lame.
    a) The vast majority of these people drive to work. I'm not sure how I would feel about your grocery store cart, if I saw you in the cart I would assume you have some sort of issue.

    b) Never said anyone wasn't entitled to an opinion, I was just curious. I'm guessing you guys think cars and regular bikes are cool, but e-bikes are lame, perhaps I'm wrong.

    c) Commuting is lame. It's something some of us have to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasp4Air View Post
    Some, and some more than others, including your humble poster in weaker moments, think that their opinions are very important and that others should accept them as such.

    My better self thinks that before I should tell others what they should/shouldn't do, I need to be able to demonstrate the harm that results from their current behavior.
    Tough to see what harm using an e-bike on the street, or even dirt/gravel roads, could cause. I actually wouldn't mind one for commuting; be far more likely to leave the car home more often actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRPABT1 View Post
    Now go back and have another look but this time unbiased and also look at the trail damage done by a regular bike. I think you'll find they are the same.
    This doesn't really matter. The trail was designated "non-motorized" and therefore the motorized bike was illegal.
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    but wait arnt e bikes the american dream?

    All the fun of mountain bikings with none of the effort! soon the term "mountain bike fit" will be used to describe the people in line for McDonalds

    ebikes are just like having a Big Mac and Eating it to

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    Quote Originally Posted by F8L View Post
    I think ISIS is the moneybacker for these demon bikes. They want to shut down our freedom and dreams. They are jealous because they have no loamy goodness to shred.
    I propose not letting any more e-bikes into this country!

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    Interesting article about trail access and mopeds. Notice the comment section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmorath View Post
    I propose not letting any more e-bikes into this country!
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    a)
    b) Never said anyone wasn't entitled to an opinion,
    I know, just trying to figure out the best way to explain it.

    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    c) Commuting is lame. It's something some of us have to do.,
    I have been considering riding my bike to work for over a year. I could take the Farmington Heritage Trail to the Eastcoast Greenway, and down to the New Haven trail. Would be a fun trip, but it would take me a minimum of 7 hours(counting the return trip). They have a caferteria, and I could even take a shower if I wanted to, but somehow the idea of going to work on my day off is unappealing. I do not think I could ride to work and then work all day. Plus, my job is driving a fossil fuel powered truck to deliver food to stores, doesn't really fit the idea behind the trail system. The reason that the Federal Government spent billions of dollars building Greenways and Heritage Trails is so we would be 'sustainable', in other words, grow our own food and ride bikes to work(they are going to save the earth).
    I'd rather push my 29er than ride a road bike.

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    Here's some food for thought.

    There is an effort currently underway to rescind the wilderness ban on mountain bikes because they are "human-powered". Now throw e-bikes into that mix and pretty much everyone opposed to bikes in wilderness areas will be able to make a solid argument that mountain bikes are no longer human powered and that the ban should remain in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    Here's some food for thought.

    There is an effort currently underway to rescind the wilderness ban on mountain bikes because they are "human-powered". Now throw e-bikes into that mix and pretty much everyone opposed to bikes in wilderness areas will be able to make a solid argument that mountain bikes are no longer human powered and that the ban should remain in place.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    I was thinking exactly the same thing.

    The key no matter how e-bike proponents want to spin it, is the motor. Regardless of how the motor is engaged, the bike is no longer human powered.
    Yes, the e-bikes may have a huge impact on trail access issues. The e-bikes make it easy for anti-mountain biking proponents to paint all mountain bikes with the same brush and lead to trail closures. To say that e-bikes complicate matters for advocacy groups like the Sustainable Trails Coalition would be an understatement.
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    IMBA needs to come out and outlaw them on mountain bike trails. We don't need trails closed to mountain bike just when most people start accepting them.

    If some fat ass wants to mountain bike he can ride roads until he is fit enough for trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamis63 View Post
    IMBA needs to come out and outlaw them on mountain bike trails. We don't need trails closed to mountain bike just when most people start accepting them.

    If some fat ass wants to mountain bike he can ride roads until he is fit enough for trails.
    It's too bad they can't "outlaw" people with bad attitudes too. It would be a whole new world out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamis63 View Post
    IMBA needs to come out and outlaw them on mountain bike trails. We don't need trails closed to mountain bike just when most people start accepting them.

    If some fat ass wants to mountain bike he can ride roads until he is fit enough for trails.
    IMBA can't outlaw anything since they're not a legislative body of government.

    However, a good many mountain bike trails are designated as "non-motorized use" by government regulatory agencies and I think it's clear that designation excludes e-bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    The short answer is stock ebikes from your LBS no, kit ebikes, yes.

    Class 1 bikes are pedal assist with no throttle.
    Class 2 may or may not be pedal assist with a throttle on demand, same power/speed limits as class 1
    Class 3 may have a throttle and higher power/speed limits.

    The problem is that how the power is measured can vary, so it's easy to have a "legal" motor that is more powerful than intended. Aside from stickers designating the class, all three bikes are virtually identical. They are easy to mod to bypass speed/power limiters.

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    The CA regulations are solely to make people feel better since there are now regulations in place. They effectively will do little in actually regulating the bikes since it's so easy to bypass them and there will be little enforcement on the ground. The industry having pushed to have regulations defined are now free to sell, sell, sell.
    To simplify the matter, in my experience most trails under state and federal jurisdiction fall into two general categories related to wheeled travel; motorized and non-motorized.

    If it has a motor, power being irrelevant, then it's banned from a non-motorized trail. If it has a motor, then it's only allowed on motorized trails without any sort of power restrictions.

    Everything else is fluff.
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    Chuckha62 electric assist bikes will not move without the rider pushing the pedals. Don't push you don't move. So yes they are still human powered, just with some assist. My wife has one and it allows us to ride together without it she would not even ride. So for us they are great. Seeing she is riding with me if she is tearing up the trails eith it then I guess I am also. I think e assist bikes are fine, add a throttle and it is now a moped not a bike.

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    To simplify the matter, in my experience most trails under state and federal jurisdiction fall into two general categories related to wheeled travel; motorized and non-motorized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bmach View Post
    Chuckha62 electric assist bikes will not move without the rider pushing the pedals. Don't push you don't move. So yes they are still human powered, just with some assist. My wife has one and it allows us to ride together without it she would not even ride. So for us they are great. Seeing she is riding with me if she is tearing up the trails eith it then I guess I am also. I think e assist bikes are fine, add a throttle and it is now a moped not a bike.
    And a motorcycle doesn't move unless somebody twists the throttle... A car doesn't move unless you push down on the pedal... Are those human-powered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    And a motorcycle doesn't move unless somebody twists the throttle... A car doesn't move unless you push down on the pedal... Are those human-powered?
    That's a very poor comparison since those other vehicles don't require constant motion or any appreciable amount of strength and endurance to maintain momentum. Can you wedge a brick on the pedal of an ebike and make it maintain momentum? How about duct tape the pedals like you can a twist throttle? :/

    Maybe you should actually go ride an ebike on a trail before making such poor comparisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bmach View Post
    Chuckha62 electric assist bikes will not move without the rider pushing the pedals. Don't push you don't move. So yes they are still human powered, just with some assist. My wife has one and it allows us to ride together without it she would not even ride. So for us they are great. Seeing she is riding with me if she is tearing up the trails eith it then I guess I am also. I think e assist bikes are fine, add a throttle and it is now a moped not a bike.
    Is the "electric assist" in the form of a motor?

    If so, then it's not allowed on non-motorized trails. Period.
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