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    Drinkin and ridin

    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.

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    haha....

    Never for me!!, I've put way too much time and money into my bike to end up doing something stupid or something I wouldn't do anyother time just because of the booze. I couple of my friends like to smoke pot while we ride but that's about as close as the people I ride with get.

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    Clean and sober...always.
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    Well riding while under the influence is probably a dumb choice on your behalf. I know here in Ontario bicycles are considered vehicles. There for cyclist must abide by all rules of the road. So if you were to smoke a pedestrian one day, you could land your self in a pile of trouble. Maybe this is different where you live… However it just seams like a really irresponsible thing to do. And your not going to notice a performance decline because your tanked. I am sure most people who get in serious car accidents who thought they were ok to drive after being drunk thought they could drive just as well also.
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    Drinking? . . . absolutely not

    hey man,
    Are you kidding? That sounds incredibley dangerous. Especially with some of the trails I ride here in the mountains; narrow singletrack on a mountain side with a long way down if you go off the edge. Smoking a little herb at the top, however, now thats a different story. Just make sure it is high quality stuff that wont make you tired. I swear I have had some zen-like downhills while a little fuzzed out. I don't know why it helps, but it just does. -t

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    In AZ, it's also illegal to drink and ride. Cyclist must abide by the exact same laws motorist do, at least on the road they do.

    On the trail, whatever floats your boat drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    ...I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess....
    That's what all intoxicated people think--that there coordination is ok--because the intoxication mutes the sense of the lack of it. I have ridden on trail intoxicated and I did notice my reaction time was diminished greatly. I felt like I was really likely to crash. The only positive of my experience was that I going home on an lightly used trail was on my bike and not driving!!!!

    It's not a good idea to drink and ride.

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    "The law doesn't apply to city bike paths."

    Damn straight, swervy Creek Path style is the only way to go. But you definitely need a light and gotta coast, speed kills on that thing. Post-Sports Garage-Social-Ride-Rio sessions had me wobbling down the creek path many times during my Boulder salad days.
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    Young and dumb

    I did it a few times when I was young and dumb. There was this one time some friends and I were out tooling around bottles full of MadDog 20/20. That was some godawful s#!t, but it served its purpose. Any way, on this occasion we were hammering full tilt down a residential street when I became preoccupied with some rednecks working on their world of outlaws sprint car. In an instant all I could feel was throbbing from my face and fingers combined with the steely cold feeling of the sheet metal on a cool spring evening. As soon as I was remotely aware the first thought that went through my head was that I had been hit. I scrambled up only to see that I had run directly into the back of a parked car.

    OH SMACK, those red necks were laughing there collective asses off. As I pulled my bike up to examine for damage I realized I had knocked the bumper off the car. Thats right, the drivers side of the bumper was setting on the ground. I got back on that paramount 70 xt 7spd thumb shifters and all and high tailed it out of there. That is my one and only hit and run of my entire life and if any one asks I will deny it.

    I had a first generation suspension fork on that bike that was made by Trek. It was actually air oil but that thing was terrible and it must have weighed as much as the steel frame. The fork held up great through the crash. I thhink it flexed as much side to side and for and aft as up and down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.

    I don't get drunk when I ride but there is one local ride where tradition has it that you have a beer at the top of the climb at the "beer bench" before you descend some bumpy fun singletrack. I really look forward to that break and at that point in the ride my body will take any carbs it gets.

    Can't even drive a car if I smoke anything, so tokin on the trail for me is a no. Can't imagine how people do it.

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    well

    We nearly always have one or three at the end of a ride. Never tried before the ride though, things could get out of hand quick Just take it easy.
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    I guess i should have stated that I do it on private property. I do agree it can be dangerous to yourself and others as well, you just gotta watch yourself.

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    Oohhhh

    I drink to ride, no I ride to drink,
    Oh I'm a drunk with a riding problem.


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    Here's my take...

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.

    Never rode on trails under the influence but I have ridden around town after having a few. Never fall-down drunk, but I've been pretty buzzed a couple times and certainly beyond the legal limit.

    Sure it's probably not a good idea, but there's no such thing as reliable public transportation where I live and my house is little more than a mile from any one of the two or three watering holes in this small city.

    Personally I'm more nervous about dodging all the idjits that are hopping in their cars for the ride home after last call, than I am about falling over due to my own inebriation. My townie/alll-arounder is a fixed-gear even. I figure if I'm *that* far gone it's not really all that far to walk...

    <rant>
    As far as bicycle DUIs carrying the same penalties as auto DUIs, that's bulllsh*t. The whole point of hefty penalties for DUIs is that you're a danger to others, and you should be heavily penalized for putting other people's lives at risk due to your actions. You're not much of a danger to anyone but yourself while on a bike and penalizing you for actions that only endanger yourself is, IMHO, stupid.
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    I scrambled up only to see that I had run directly into the back of a parked car.
    OH SMACK, those red necks were laughing there collective asses off.



    Hahahaha, great story... I don't ever drink and ride on the trail, but I have ridden home from the bar before. Good story from me a couple of years back (much like above).

    Was visiting a friend up at University of Michigan in ann arbor, we decided to hit the bars that night and decided to do it on bikes. UM has a pretty fun campus to ride on anyways, but during the trip from bar #2 to bar #3 I made a bad decision. As we were approaching the front of the bar I did a big ol' bunny hop down off the curb into the street upon which the bar sits. Thanks to booze (or the bike gods having a good sense of humor) I grabbed a fistful of front brake in mid-air. I have NO clue why I did this. I didn't need any brakes. But there it was. And I stacked HARD on street right in front of the bar's picture window, and the bike came to rest on top of me. I gouged my thumb a bit and smashed in the face of my favorite watch, but was otherwise alright so up I got. I was greeted by MANY amused and concerned faces looking out the window at me. After locking the bikes and entering the bar, I was greeted to a round of applause from several tables. Needless to say I felt quite sheepish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cRasHmAstER
    I drink to ride, no I ride to drink,
    Oh I'm a drunk with a riding problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorInSoCal
    Never rode on trails under the influence but I have ridden around town after having a few. Never fall-down drunk, but I've been pretty buzzed a couple times and certainly beyond the legal limit.

    Sure it's probably not a good idea, but there's no such thing as reliable public transportation where I live and my house is little more than a mile from any one of the two or three watering holes in this small city.

    Personally I'm more nervous about dodging all the idjits that are hopping in their cars for the ride home after last call, than I am about falling over due to my own inebriation. My townie/alll-arounder is a fixed-gear even. I figure if I'm *that* far gone it's not really all that far to walk...

    <rant>
    As far as bicycle DUIs carrying the same penalties as auto DUIs, that's bulllsh*t. The whole point of hefty penalties for DUIs is that you're a danger to others, and you should be heavily penalized for putting other people's lives at risk due to your actions. You're not much of a danger to anyone but yourself while on a bike and penalizing you for actions that only endanger yourself is, IMHO, stupid.
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    -Trevor
    Trevor (this is not an attack against you), I usually agree with you but your rant is kind of off a bit. When you are DUI on a bike, you might run into a car or person. They may not be physically hurt, but with all of the frivilous lawsuits out there now a days, they may get you for some kind of mental distress caused by experiencing the collision. DUI's always effect more than just the DUI operator of the vehicle. If you can't operate a bike legally, what makes anyone think you can operate a vehicle legally...in Cali they are considered the same.

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    I drink and ride all the time, especially for big hit or urban rides. If I'm doing a shuttle or lift, I definetly pounds beers between runs.

    Not to get sloppy of course, but rather to stay loose. When you're riding you body is motabalizing everything too fast to get *drunk* anyway.

    For longer rides, I usually shove a pounder in my camelback for lunch time. When you crack a beer at the top of a 15 mile climb, suddenly everbody wants a sip.

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    Post this on the single speed board and the answers will probably be way different. Not that I know anything about that...
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    I tried it once. Worst ride I ever had. I found my circulatory system (heart and lungs) didn't seem to work very well when I was tanked. I wouldn't recommend anybody try to ride drunk. Aside from the difficulties I experienced, its dangerous for you and anybody else unlucky enough to get in your way.

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    Crack Pipe'n & Trail Ride'n

    Forget not the Hippie Lettuce on the trail,
    the one who rides hardest will prevail.

    But drink some brew from the bottom of the barrel,
    and watch that singletrack with others on the trail.

    I, myself, so black and blue, legs bleeding and broken bones too,
    would rather smoke my carbon fiber titianium crack pipe,
    than drink beer burn blunts and ride at night.
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    Wow. Buncha prudes in here...Not that I do it all the time, but there are times and rides where its encouraged(ss rallys primarily, sometimes that last lap or two on an endurance race). Of course I feel the effects too. Sometimes I compensate by doing dumb shiite, sometimes, I just cruise along. Riderx is right though, sser's are much more likely to have a beer or two in the course of a ride than 'normal' riders. Lighten up folks.
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    road and trail drunks

    my old road club used to do an annual pub crawl in which we'd ride from bar to bar on a 70-some mile loop. I recall suffering mightly into a stiff headwind on the final leg after about a dozen Molson export ales.
    Back east I used to do long -- 100 to 150 mile --road training rides with some track pros who like me, raced at TTown velodrome. Instead of rolling into 7-Elevens for refueling, the group would invariably stop at a bar, where each pro would consume a snickers or two along with a shot and a beer, then continue on our way.
    couple weekends ago, I rode the Kinsey Trail in Farmington NM with some friends, one of whom brought along his friend, who couldn't drive his own truck because he's already had a few beers that a.m. and so couldn't blow into his court-mandated ignition lockout every 15 minutes enroute. Every time we stopped during the ride, he pulled another Keystone Light can out of his pack and consumed it. At least 4 during the ride by my count. But wait, it gets better. He'd also pull out another Swisher Sweet and puff away on that. If it wasn't done by the time we saddled up, he'd ride along, puffing on his cigar. Considering he bought his Schwinn hardtail as transportation when he lost his license, and that he'd never ridden singletrack before, he actually did pretty well, mostly keeping up with no crashes and a minimum of walking on climbs.

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    This never happens in the Midwest...

    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    Wow. Buncha prudes in here...Not that I do it all the time, but there are times and rides where its encouraged(ss rallys primarily, sometimes that last lap or two on an endurance race). Of course I feel the effects too. Sometimes I compensate by doing dumb shiite, sometimes, I just cruise along. Riderx is right though, sser's are much more likely to have a beer or two in the course of a ride than 'normal' riders. Lighten up folks.
    Drinking and riding? Wouldn't that be <i>dangerous</i>? Well... danger is my business...... name the movie.

    Also, check out last Friday's tea party as told by the upstanding gentlemen at Single Speed Outlaw:

    http://www.singlespeedoutlaw.com/issue5/blog.shtml

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    beer from the bottom of the barrel

    that, of course, is an old wive's tale, as there is no such thing as beer from the bottom of the barrel. you hear that all the time, that dark beers, stout, or just stronger beer in general, is from the bottom of the barrel. all that resides at the bottom of any beer barrel, assuming it's unfiltered, is "trub," which consists of dead yeast, hop slush, and the resides of any clearing agent like irish moss that is added to improve clarity. beer alcoholic strength depends on the amount of sugars -- from malted barley, wheat, honey, corn sugar, beet sugar, rice, etc etc -- you feed the yeast. beer color depends on the degree of roasting given the grains, just like heavily roasted french roast coffee is darker and more flavorful than lightly roasted coffee beans.

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    Back in College

    I will admint to Bars on Bikes. Basically a pub crawl on two wheels. Stupid but fun. A few minor crashes and one near miss that could have been ugly. Most of our travels were through campus and there were very few people out. Our reasoning at the time was at least we were only putting ourselves at risk (course there is always the possibility of creaming a pedesrian or another cyclist). We eventually got smart and started sharing cabs. As for trail riding drunk, can't say I've done that unless you count riding off a hangover.
    This is just need to know information: Am i supposed to enjoy the irony or pity the sincerity?

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    A long time ago in a galaxy far far away....

    Back in the late 80's thru early 90's while I was a full time bike messenger in NYC, it was standard operating procedure to meet up at Washington Square park after work and drink a couple of 40's and smoke a little (not cig's) before the ride downtown, over the brooklyn bridge and home. It was a great way to shed a LOT of the stress built up after 10 hours riding through the city all day long, expecially when the weather was nice out. Of course this was before the disneyification of NYC (pre-guiliani!!!) where one could sit and drink beer and smoke even while police were probably in the area! What the hell did they care? We were just laying low, not causing any trouble nor bothering anyone, so they'd spend their time on more worthy pursuits, like chasing a crackhead that had stabbed a drug dealer right in front of us one time! Ahhhh, the good old (crack) days!

    Now there were one or two "instances" on those rides home, especially the time I came within inches of rear ending a nasty, stinky, full NYC Sanitation trash truck on west b'way. Of course I rode a fixed gear track bike with no brakes, because I was so cool of course. The only real crash I had (while intoxicated) involved me, myself, and some chain link fencing on the williamsburg bridge in the dark one night. Ow. So I went to the bar on the brooklyn side where I spent lot's of time and got more drunk before actually going home. Genius.

    All told, I feel that at that time, youth and extreme fitness/endurance/coordination from flying through NYC traffic all day every day for years made it so there was little effect from "influence(s)", as my drunken most, stoned out and tripping riding was still pretty good! Haha. It sounds ludicrous now, and I hardly drink any booze at all anymore (1-2 drinks a week, as opposed to 6-8 'social pints' per night!) as I am trying to drop weight and reclaim some of those lost years in NYC where I damaged my body with such awful lifestyle habits. I sure don't regret it, just regret not moving out west and cleaning up sooner!
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    Who me? Why'd I do a thing like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.
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    oddly enough, just yesterday, while on the spokejunkies message board, i found a link to a group of dudes (not associated with the spokejunkies) who actually have a race that involves drinking. the race looks like it was through the streets of boston, or nyc, it didn't specify. i downloaded the video, and i have to say, although it seems like it would be fun to do, if you look at it through the eyes of anyone else on the street, the bicylists are complete *******s. total and complete disregard for anyone who might be in their way.

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    Are you guys forgetting another angle?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLS439
    Trevor (this is not an attack against you), I usually agree with you but your rant is kind of off a bit. When you are DUI on a bike, you might run into a car or person. They may not be physically hurt, but with all of the frivilous lawsuits out there now a days, they may get you for some kind of mental distress caused by experiencing the collision. DUI's always effect more than just the DUI operator of the vehicle. If you can't operate a bike legally, what makes anyone think you can operate a vehicle legally...in Cali they are considered the same.

    just my .02.

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    What if you swerve (or ride without lights, reflective gear, etc.) and cause a driver to crash? They could easily be killed or strike another vehicle/cyclist/pedestrian. That right there constitutes as much potential damage as driving a car itself. Granted, your direct potential to strike and injure others is MUCH greater in a car, but I think you get my point.

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    the liver is evil

    and must be punished

    why drink and ride? Nothing ever good comes from it. It's better to have little tea parties and compare spandex in order to get in the groove.

    gimme a break. getting blazed is ok by some but drinking is too "crazy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred³
    Please continue to do so.

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    Sort of...

    I'll go out for drinks on a Friday or Saturday evening on my cruiser. It's a heavy beast, with a coaster brake - not an agile bike. I'm careful about how much I drink because I know I have to get home on the "tank" without hurting myself or anyone else. After a few (2 or 3) beers out with friends I'll slowly cruise home by side streets and/or a city trail. I don't drink to get drunk (well past that stage of my life) and it's a nice way to go out for an evening. Frankly, I'm most worried about the drunks in cars on my way home.

    I definitely wouldn't take any of my "nice" bikes out for several reasons. 1. I don't want to have to worry about the bike being stolen - the cruiser is not very valuable. 2. I'd have to wear cycling shoes or hassle with changing pedals. 3. On any bike but the cruiser I might be tempted to ride faster than I should (at night, with a bit of a buzz).

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    now I know why I ride a singlespeed...

    they can ride and have fun. Back to ss board for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allroy
    they can ride and have fun. Back to ss board for me.
    whew! good riddance! J/K

    they are so much cooler anyhow, aren't they? wish i could be. the real SS is one that is fixed, IMO, not the wussy freewheel type ;-)

    of course I never have fun on or off my bike either, as i usually ride geared bikes and can easily cruise at speeds that would casue SS knees to explode trying to keep up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred³
    Please continue to do so.

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    Yes he does. Probably in Mayberry.




    Drinking in moderation during rides has never caused any problems for myself or any of the other guys I ride with. In fact, tequila gave several riders on the now-infamous High Rocks Ice Ride a second wind with which to ride a second loop.

    I've never ridden on the road after drinking anything stronger than Gatorade.

    The most successful race I ever had was done under the influence of a few slugs of tequila and a bottle of Bigfoot

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    Who cares?

    Quote Originally Posted by glenzx
    whew! good riddance! J/K

    they are so much cooler anyhow, aren't they? wish i could be. the real SS is one that is fixed, IMO, not the wussy freewheel type ;-)

    of course I never have fun on or off my bike either, as i usually ride geared bikes and can easily cruise at speeds that would casue SS knees to explode trying to keep up....

    Not sure what you're getting at. Riding a SS doesn't make anyone cooler, better, etc. You like gears? Great. You like SSing? Great. Fixed? Why not?

    "i usually ride geared bikes and can easily cruise at speeds that would casue SS knees to explode trying to keep up...." LOL. Thanks for the laugh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    I guess i should have stated that I do it on private property. I do agree it can be dangerous to yourself and others as well, you just gotta watch yourself.
    I was going to start bashing you for being so stupid, but since you are on private property and not putting others at risk, i suppose it is alright. I don't really drink too much, but if thats the way you like to have fun, then whatever, go for it. Sure its a little more dangerous though. You're more likely to break something (you bike or yourself ) but its up to you. Just please dont put others at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.
    Dude, you probably should have posted this on the DH/FR board. you wouldn't have gotten near the high and mighty pompous ass answers like you did here. C'mon, don't you know, alcohol while you're riding soaks your lycra shorts causing them droop and not display your package so prominently. It also sends wrong readings to your heart rate monitor that mistakenly reads out that you have gone anerobic. Or some stupid s h i t like that.
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    Whoa! who peed in yer cornflakes???

    that's what it was for, laughs, as indicated by the o-so-serious and judgemental use of :"J/K" ("just kidding", if we need be so literal...), the ";-)" and the "", including typo's and all..... it was a lame attempt at humor, but certainly not opaque! C'mon man....

    If it was so cryptic, for the record, i indeed like and ride (and have fun on) geared and non-geared bikes on and off road....... jeeez.

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    I worked with a guy that got drunk on his own private property one Saturday night and then tried to move his truck so one of his buddies could leave. He backed over and killed one of his twin three year old daughters in his own driveway.

    But hey, lighten up because it’s OK since he did it in his own truck to his own daughter on his own private property.

    Party on! Have a great weekend!

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    I was doing a delivery late night flying on 8 IPAs and humped the curb in front of city hall just to find out how my helmet worked... damn dabbed my head some light thight bruises and no sierens so it was almost OK, I'm now stumbling my bills to the post late night! Few beers OK if you are large otherwise save them for post ride fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.
    Highly into riding then drinking. But whatever for anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLS439
    Trevor (this is not an attack against you), I usually agree with you but your rant is kind of off a bit. When you are DUI on a bike, you might run into a car or person. They may not be physically hurt, but with all of the frivilous lawsuits out there now a days, they may get you for some kind of mental distress caused by experiencing the collision. DUI's always effect more than just the DUI operator of the vehicle. If you can't operate a bike legally, what makes anyone think you can operate a vehicle legally...in Cali they are considered the same.

    just my .02.

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    I'm just saying "legal" and "safe" aren't always the same thing when we're talking about cruising speeds on a bicycle. Being that drunk-driving laws are so stringent, I'm probably beyond the *legal* 0.08 limit after about 2 1/2 pints of any non-pisswater beer. However I seriously doubt I'm impaired enough to be dangerous to anybody on my bicycle in that state, and I think the laws should take this into account.

    When piloting a ton or so of metal on public streets at speeds of 50 mph or more, drunkeness standards *should* be strict, when piloting 30 or so pounds metal at speeds of generally less than 25 mph (casual, cruising-speeds.) I don't think it's unreasonable to relax those standards somewhat...

    A little research shows that the law does take that into account, in CA anyway: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21200_5.htm

    Hafta do more research to see what, if any, other penalties would apply.

    My rant was originally based upon the assumption that a bicycle DUI (Wouldn't it be "RUI"?) carried the same penalties as an automotive DUI, which seems pretty excessive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    I worked with a guy that got drunk on his own private property one Saturday night and then tried to move his truck so one of his buddies could leave. He backed over and killed one of his twin three year old daughters in his own driveway.

    But hey, lighten up because it’s OK since he did it in his own truck to his own daughter on his own private property.

    Party on! Have a great weekend!
    Just goes to show trucks should be illegal. There is that big tail gate so you can't see whats playing down there, drunk or not. Hey trucks are great things for children to play behind. Particularly when they are parked on concrete late on Saturday nights. If that guy had been backing is Mountain Bike or Motor Cycle up while drunk none of this would have happened.

    There are these guys who live in the sticks of utah and they have like 6 or 7 wives and what not. They are devoutly religious, so I got it figured that religions are for numbnuts.

    I'm sorry but what does this sad sack killing his daughter have to do with riding your bike in the woods drunk. I mean I think it is stupid to ride in the trees drunk but, it's better than getting drunk and beating his wife. Better than getting drunk and backing his truck up over his three year old daughter.

    I want to congartulate Joshua from MSU for doing the responsible thing and downhilling drunk rather than running over his three year old daughter with a truck. Way to go man, you are a model citizen.

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    Yeah, it was the trucks fault and the intake of alcohol had nothing to do with it. Great logic. joshua made the point that he was on private property as if this meant that nothing bad could happen as a result of it. An innocent bystander can be hurt just as easily no matter what the status of the property. BTW, just for the record, this truck was not parked on or near any concrete or asphalt either. The guy lived way out in the sticks of the CA desert.

    What this has to do with some sad sack killing his daughter, is that when people are drunk or impaired and then operate a vehicle or machinery or whatever that could injure someone besides themselves, it's irresponsible. It doesn't matter whether they are on private property, on a bicycle, in a car or truck, shooting a firearm, whatever.... It's not the only thing people do that's irresponsible, but it's one that can and should be avoided. To try to point out other things that are done irresponsibly doesn't suddenly make this one disappear no matter how loudly you squeal.

    Maybe joshua was in a situation that was set up to insure that nobody besides themselves could get injured. If he did, then I have no problem with it. I may not think it's a great idea, but I have no problem with it.

    My argument is that people should not be free to be drunk or otherwise impaired and then partake in activities that endanger others besides themselves that do not wish to be so endangered, please feel free to state your case if you feel otherwise.

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    It is more of an opinion thing I guess. I know where your coming from. I just feel that the opportunity for this fella to be endangering anyone but himself on private property is rather slim. I done't condone that type of behavior but I certainly wouldn't legislate it. It wouldn't even matter to me if he was hopped up on a dozen ellicit substances. It's his life! Now if he has a mess of kids at home and his behavior begins endangering those kids wellfare the scenario changes, but as long as he is on his own at MSU none of my business. As far as I am concerned it is just like religion. I don't tell you what to do and believe so long as you are not harming others, You don't tell me what to do.

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    I like to drink a few and go riding. Then I like to drink a few more and take the ol' truck out looking for innocent children to mow down. Then I'll stop off and look for some old folks so I can rough 'em up and steal their medications to get my "fix." Lord knows that anyone who ever alters their level of consciousness is a depraved lunatic who doesn't have any functional grasp of responsibility.

    It may sound heartless but tough crap for the kid that was run over. This is what can happen when you're born to and parented by complete and total idiots. "Private property" is not a phrase that removes all consequences, however, not all of us have kids. In that case, it was clearly the drunk person's fault - a child does not know better. However, not all places are for children. If the same thing were to have happened at a party where everyone involved was an adult, fault could be clearly laid on the person who was dumb enough to be hanging around behind a giant piece of metal that frequently moves.

    Most of us manage risk just by mountain biking to begin with. Though drinking a riding is "less responsible" than would be ideal, there are more and less responsible ways to drink and ride. I don't think any of us are advocating getting blackout drunk and terrorizing innocent pedestrians. Say what you want, riding a bike drunk is safer than driving a car drunk. For you and everyone else.

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    Dark Matter, I think it sounds like you and I more or less agree after all.

    But Archduke, on one hand you say “tough crap” for the kid and then you come back and say, “it was clearly the drunk person’s fault.” Which is it? Or are you saying it was clearly the drunk person’s fault but “tough crap” for the kid (or anyone else) because the drunk should have no consequences for their actions?

    You are certainly entitled to your opinions but my guess is that a civil court and quite possibly a criminal court may disagree regardless of your own personal sense of moral responsibility, so I gather you already know that you are proceeding at your own risk whether you agree or not. I believe that freedom does come with responsibility and that freedom without responsibility is basically anarchy.

    I agree that we all manage risk when we ride mountain bikes, however I think that risk can be managed responsibly. But can you manage that risk responsibly by purposely doing things that would REDUCE your ability to maintain control of your bike? It appears that this is where we disagree.

    “Say what you want, riding a bike drunk is safer than driving a car drunk. For you and everyone else.”

    I guess, in your eyes, that makes it OK then…

    However my own life’s experiences give me a different perspective. I have had enough people’s lives (that were close to me) negatively affected by the careless actions of impaired persons that it gets me a little worked up to hear people more concerned about the right to party and do what you want than the right to not be carelessly endangered. While I hope that those you are close to never have something happen to them as a result of the careless actions of an impaired person, if it does, I doubt you’ll make a point to tell them or their loved ones how you really feel by saying “tough crap.”

    I have a feeling that we could go on disagreeing back and forth endlessly, (go for it if you like) but I’ve spoken and I’m done. Peace.

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    Maybe we are just oldschool boozehounds, but my riding group almost always carries a few DH waterbottles (16oz cans) up the hill for consumption at various viewspots along the way. Our metabolisms are so fired up from riding a granny-less 42lb bikes up the mountain, I rarely feel a beer-buzz. We intersperse w/H2O as well. Afterwards, though, it's a Bukowskiesque free for all mess. Actually, here's some evidence:
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    LOL, Where to Start....

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj

    You are certainly entitled to your opinions but my guess is that a civil court and quite possibly a criminal court may disagree regardless of your own personal sense of moral responsibility, so I gather you already know that you are proceeding at your own risk whether you agree or not. .
    ^^^ There, for starters....

    You're making your point with faulty logic. Equating riding your bike on singletrack with backing over your own child in a truck?

    Demonizing people for their personal choice to drink and ride based on this analogy is a stretch, at best.

    If you don't drink, then good for you. If you don't think that others should drink, then also good for you. However, the choices that individuals make are their own. Those choices are often times stupid, but again, they're the choices of those who make them.

    Your story of the guy running over his own kid is tragic (assuming that it's true and not simply hyperbole to support your opinion) for the child, but the drunken idiot who chose to get behind the wheel killed the kid, not the booze he was drinking. His choices resulted in the death of his kid.

    The choice to drink and ride singletrack could affect other people. Then again, the choice to eat at McDonalds could have the same affect. Trying to conject cause and effect of drinking and riding based on your moral opinion of the action is in a word, dumb.

    I'm not arguing that drinking and riding isn't dangerous. I'm certainly not arguing that drinking doesn't impare a person. I am suggesting that your approach is very Mr. Mackey, "Drinking beer and riding singletrack is bad, um-kaay".

    If you want to change people's opinions, perhaps citing examples that are relevant to your stance?

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    Drinkin' 'n' ridin' ??? Fun ??? for the easily amused, perhaps......not for me....I generally ride sober, and, if not, it is the occasional ingestion of the weed o' wisdom...for me, a nice mellow herb buzz beats a sloppy beer/alcohol buzz hands down....just speaking for myself, of course...if y'all wish to drink and ride, so be it - have fun.....to each his own....just keep yer drunk a$$e$ away from me....don't bring me down...heh....
    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.

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    OK, maybe I wasn't completely done...

    Nowhere did I say that drinking beer and riding singletrack is bad (in every instance). To the contrary, I even suggested that if proper precautions were taken that you should be able do whatever you want to yourself, thus rendering your Mr. Mackey reference invalid. Maybe you missed that part, but here it is again for you:

    “Maybe joshua was in a situation that was set up to insure that nobody besides themselves could get injured. If he did, then I have no problem with it. I may not think it's a great idea, but I have no problem with it.”

    Quote me if you like, but please don’t take my words and twist them to make such leaps in concept.

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    Ummmm, OK, am confused,,,are you talkin to me ???...I only replied to the original post by joshua....have no idea what yer talkin' 'bout...LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Nowhere did I say that drinking beer and riding singletrack is bad (in every instance). To the contrary, I even suggested that if proper precautions were taken that you should be able do whatever you want to yourself, thus rendering your Mr. Mackey reference invalid. Maybe you missed that part, but here it is again for you:

    “Maybe joshua was in a situation that was set up to insure that nobody besides themselves could get injured. If he did, then I have no problem with it. I may not think it's a great idea, but I have no problem with it.”

    Quote me if you like, but please don’t take my words and twist them to make such leaps in concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuelish
    Ummmm, OK, am confused,,,are you talkin to me ???...I only replied to the original post by joshua....have no idea what yer talkin' 'bout...LOL

    Nope, that was for Ken in KC.

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    Again with the faulty logic....

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Nowhere did I say that drinking beer and riding singletrack is bad (in every instance). To the contrary, I even suggested that if proper precautions were taken that you should be able do whatever you want to yourself, thus rendering your Mr. Mackey reference invalid. Maybe you missed that part, but here it is again for you:

    “Maybe joshua was in a situation that was set up to insure that nobody besides themselves could get injured. If he did, then I have no problem with it. I may not think it's a great idea, but I have no problem with it.”

    Quote me if you like, but please don’t take my words and twist them to make such leaps in concept.
    Your allagory of backing over a kid in a truck was well reasoned? So, if I say on one hand: "Drinking is bad, um-kaay" it's OK to say on the other: "It's OK for you to drink so long as you meet my definitions of responsible drinking"?

    You're either contradicting yourself or you're stepping up on the soapbox to discuss an issue on which you feel strongly, but you don't feel strongly enough to risk making people mad with your point of view (covering your arse, is what they call that).

    Also, please provide the link to the guy that ran over his kid. I'd like to read about this for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Dark Matter, I think it sounds like you and I more or less agree after all.

    But Archduke, on one hand you say “tough crap” for the kid and then you come back and say, “it was clearly the drunk person’s fault.” Which is it?

    I have a feeling that we could go on disagreeing back and forth endlessly, (go for it if you like) but I’ve spoken and I’m done. Peace.

    It is both, and will continue to be tough crap for anyone who is born to parents who make terrible decisions like that. The reason I say tough crap is that the child was doomed. It was not booze that killed the child, it was poor judgement on the part of the parent. I say it like that because stupid behavior gets people killed, you're absolutely right. Someone negligent enough to get drunk and drive over their own child has more wrong with them than just being drunk. I have had people in my life adversely affected by iniebriated folk doing dumb things. However, that does not mean I must become and absolutist and start viewing all things that are "possible" as "likely."

    I compared the differences in likely associated dangers when an intoxicated person pilots a bike or drives a car. The car is much more likely to be a danger to yourself and others, in fact I take an absolute stance on drinking and driving. It is always wrong. However, drinking and riding provides for a lot more grey area. Could be bad, could be fine. That was my point about managing risk. There is no safe way to drink and drive. Taking a few simple precautions and not being an idiot can make riding your bike home rather than driving THE safe alternative. I'm not at all saying its always good to drink and ride, simply that it can be okay. And that if you're going out drinking, FAR better to take a route that doesn't see much traffic (pedestrian or otherwise) on your bike than to drive home, no?

    edit- personally I don't ever need to drink and go trail riding. I have plenty of fun that way without any intoxicants at all. I have however ridden all over plenty of college campuses while out for a night of fun, and have never come anywhere close to hitting a pedestrian or darting out in front of a car. This is what has worked for me, but isn't necessarily for everyone.
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    hmpf. Ken in KC???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC
    Not sure what you're getting at. Riding a SS doesn't make anyone cooler, better, etc. You like gears? Great. You like SSing? Great. Fixed? Why not?

    "i usually ride geared bikes and can easily cruise at speeds that would casue SS knees to explode trying to keep up...." LOL. Thanks for the laugh...

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    Well, I saw you'd been back to the thread and was hoping to find an amicable middle ground regarding what I percieved as something of an over-reaction.... but I see my response/clarification went unanswered for now. Why bother? 'Cause I typically see your post's and figure they'll be cool, and was surprised at the reaction I got above...
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    Ken, this happened on January 21, 1989 in the desert area several miles outside of Palm Springs, CA. I could find no links to this incident and since the net was not such a part of everyday existence back then, it’s does not surprise me. The man, (Ed B. – I won’t divulge his full name because it isn’t relevant) was my co-worker at an aerospace company in L.A. He commuted over 140 miles one-way to work and other than that I can’t pinpoint the exact locale in which he lived (I wouldn’t call it a town because it was truly out in the sticks).

    It was tough because he was absolutely one of the nicest guys I've ever met and would not normally have harmed a flea, but I ask you where should you draw the line? And when someone else called him a sad-sack, you have no idea. His wife was an unfortunate victim of receiving an HIV infected blood transfusion back in the early 80's and had recently passed away because of it. It may have contributed to his drinking. Or not. Doesn't really matter.

    True life is often stranger and more bizarre than fiction, but that's what makes it far more interesting.

    I remember the date vividly because three significant things (in my life) happened on that date. I also moved into my present house and it was the same day my brother’s best friend was killed in Mexico when he jumped out to un-chock the wheels of a twin-engine airplane on a runway down in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico and failed to take into account the effect that a rotating propeller would have on his body. I know, that didn't happen on a MTB either. I am not saying the booze pinned him down and forced it's way into his body, but it was in there just the same. Obviously he chose to put it there.

    I don’t have a link to that one either, but I still see his widow and kids occasionally. Call BS on me if you wish, but I know what happened.

    At any rate, I don’t see how I’m backpedaling. You may have assumed some things about me and my feelings toward alcohol, but I don’t see where I’m backpedaling at all.

    I have not said I’m against people drinking.

    I have not said I’m against alcohol.

    I have not said I’m against having fun while riding fast on a mountain bike or whatever it is they wish to do.

    I don’t have all the answers to make everybody happy and it’s not my wish to try to legislate perfection and morality nor am I saying that nobody should be able to consume alcohol. I’m not even denying that it might be fun to have a drink or two and ride.

    My point has been this all along: I am concerned about the consequences that impaired behavior has on others, especially others that don’t wish to be endangered. I believe you should take these things into account BEFORE you do them and take reasonable steps to make sure others are not endangered and you don’t damage the property of others without their knowledge and consent. Nothing more and nothing less.

    Have your fun, but please don't hurt other people.

    I fail to see where I have said anything different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archdukeferdinand
    It is both, and will continue to be tough crap for anyone who is born to parents who make terrible decisions like that. The reason I say tough crap is that the child was doomed. It was not booze that killed the child, it was poor judgement on the part of the parent. I say it like that because stupid behavior gets people killed, you're absolutely right. Someone negligent enough to get drunk and drive over their own child has more wrong with them than just being drunk. I have had people in my life adversely affected by iniebriated folk doing dumb things. However, that does not mean I must become and absolutist and start viewing all things that are "possible" as "likely."

    I compared the differences in likely associated dangers when an intoxicated person pilots a bike or drives a car. The car is much more likely to be a danger to yourself and others, in fact I take an absolute stance on drinking and driving. It is always wrong. However, drinking and riding provides for a lot more grey area. Could be bad, could be fine. That was my point about managing risk. There is no safe way to drink and drive. Taking a few simple precautions and not being an idiot can make riding your bike home rather than driving THE safe alternative. I'm not at all saying its always good to drink and ride, simply that it can be okay. And that if you're going out drinking, FAR better to take a route that doesn't see much traffic (pedestrian or otherwise) on your bike than to drive home, no?

    edit- personally I don't ever need to drink and go trail riding. I have plenty of fun that way without any intoxicants at all. I have however ridden all over plenty of college campuses while out for a night of fun, and have never come anywhere close to hitting a pedestrian or darting out in front of a car. This is what has worked for me, but isn't necessarily for everyone.
    Archduke,

    I agree that it was not the booze's fault and it was the person's fault. I don't think I've said otherwise. I thought that being an advocate of personal responsibility was along that same line of thinking.

    Here's a link that may shed some light on how safe it is to drink and ride a bike even if it is a FAR better alternative than drinking and driving a car (although I don't think that's necessarily the best litmus test to determine if something is OK or not - as if I should have to tolerate the consequences of someone's actions because they used this logic): http://www.totalbike.com/news/article/27

    I've not said that drinking and riding a bike was as bad as drinking and driving a car.

    I've not said it's not OK to ride a bike after drinking in EVERY circumstance.

    Really the only lines from you I have taken some exception with is:

    1) the one about it being a better alternative to drink and ride than to drink and drive. That's true, but does that make it OK? Was it the only alternative? Surely that is debatable even if it is a gray area. It troubles me that not everyone is as reasonable as you have been. Even you have said, "I don't think any of us are advocating getting blackout drunk and terrorizing innocent pedestrians." Certainly, but this suggests even you have a boundary in mind. The difficult part is deciding exactly where to draw it.

    2) "tough crap for the kid". It's not exactly clear to whom you're directing the tough crap. If it's toward the parent, it's harsh, but I can't disagree. But kids can't choose their parents and it's just the luck of the draw whom they end up with. "Tough crap for the kid" doesn't exactly assign the "tough crap" to one or the other.

    Do you think we're really that far apart? When it comes right down to it, I don't think we are. If my post sounded like it, it was not meant to.

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    Oh my

    Here's a whole other can of worms....from that JAMA article:

    Only 5 percent of the injured who had been drinking wore helmets.

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    You wanna talk about a can of worms...

    Quote Originally Posted by Impy
    Here's a whole other can of worms....from that JAMA article:

    Only 5 percent of the injured who had been drinking wore helmets.
    How 'bout this little gem:

    The helmet laws that worked well for children should be extended to adult bicyclists, says Susan P. Baker, M.P.H., another author of the study and professor of health policy and management at Hopkins’ School of Public Health.

    -Trevor

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    I see your point more clearly not that you've explained yourself jeffj. Your previous posts were murky and perhaps a bit "angry" in nature.

    Drinking is fine as long as you don't affect other people in ways that make them uncomfortable or put them in danger.

    When I said drinking before riding was ok in a previous post i meant a beer or two, not getting bombed and then trying to ride. Though, that can be scary AND fun at the same time, say in a Frank Tuesday ride over the KC Summit. But definitely not the everyday norm for most people I would assume.
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    ride...then drink...then ride

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.
    I've been known to carry a 24 oz malt liquor in my CameBak for that smooth refreshing feeling at the top of a big climb. You gotta ask yourself - What Would Billy Dee Do?

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    Kinda funny cuz I have a booze only Camelback. Usually just fill it with tanq and tonic. Oh so yummy. Pain in the ass to clean though.

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    This is what I'm talkin-bout!


    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.

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    Drinkin and writin isn't dangerous.

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    Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

    Riding and drinking do not mix. Booze is a depressant and it slows your reaction time no matter how confident you feel. You even said you try stupid **** while drunk. So why do it?I like to drink as much as the next guy but not while driving a bike.you are still operating a machine and are not only endangering yourself but those around you. (other trail users). The same goes for weed you might think you are having a zen like experience on the trail but like booze, weed slows your reaction time no matter how much an accomplished toker you are. Mountain bikers are getting a bad rap these days and trails are getting closed everywhere. Being high and drunk on the trails is not going to help our plight. Save the intoxicants for the post ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua_msu@hotmail.com
    Anybody ever drink and ride? Its very fun to do, especially if youre with a group that is all hossed too. I havent really noticed a performanace decline, but I did notice that I attempt a lot more stupid s***, as is expected I guess. Share your stories with me guys.

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    Last time I "started" to ride drunk..

    Was on a camping trip 3 years ago. Did a few good rides during the morning and afternoon and then got on with the IPA consumption. About 2 hours after dark my bud says we have to do a night ride.I was pretty buzzed and I knew my friend was even more buzzed but I got my lights on and ready anyway. While I was waiting on him to get ready, I was spinning around on the trails near the campsite and pulling a little wheely I lost it bad on a backflip. I'm thinking, O.K. way to buzzed to do our planned route of some steep singletrack. When I got back to camp, he said"man my drive train is all f#*ed-up.I shine my headlamp down and his new $400 light battery and cable is wrapped around his crankset what looks like 50 times and the wires are ripped apart from trying to pedal on with it that way. I said this ride is a bad idea and he agreed.
    If I do ride buzzed it is from the campsite to the showers after the real ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronny
    Mountain bikers are getting a bad rap these days and trails are getting closed everywhere.
    The HOHAs just LOVE it when ignorant mountain bikers spread their lies for them.

    Good job!

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    tanked

    I agree riding tanked can be a bad idea. Riding with a light buzz is different. I also agree that you must caution against the likelihood of making yourself look like an ass to different trail users and causing unnecessary user issues..

    I've only been mid-buzzed on major group night rides when only idiots would be on the trail in the first place and usually the rest of the crew has a few too.

    It's about being smarter than the beer, knowing limits and using common sense. Getting bombed at 5:30 on a Friday night on a heavily used multi user trail is NOT a good idea for the rider or other trail users.
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    My bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by glenzx
    Whoa! who peed in yer cornflakes???

    that's what it was for, laughs, as indicated by the o-so-serious and judgemental use of :"J/K" ("just kidding", if we need be so literal...), the ";-)" and the "", including typo's and all..... it was a lame attempt at humor, but certainly not opaque! C'mon man....

    If it was so cryptic, for the record, i indeed like and ride (and have fun on) geared and non-geared bikes on and off road....... jeeez.

    cheers! it's beer thirty here in santa fe on a gorgeaous friday.
    You're right, overreaction from a gruppy assed Midwesterner. My bad.

    While it's approaching 10:15 in the morning on this fine Friday, I'm already leaning toward beer thirty. In fact, I think I'll have one now and go for a ride.

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    ... and if we just ... Is this a new Biker Fox trick?

    Wheelie to backflip? I couldn't do that sober!
    Biker Fox

    And how does a battery cable get all the way down under the cranks, is he running some super long extention cable to a generator back at camp or something?


    Quote Originally Posted by Troll
    Was on a camping trip 3 years ago. Did a few good rides during the morning and afternoon and then got on with the IPA consumption. About 2 hours after dark my bud says we have to do a night ride.I was pretty buzzed and I knew my friend was even more buzzed but I got my lights on and ready anyway. While I was waiting on him to get ready, I was spinning around on the trails near the campsite and pulling a little wheely I lost it bad on a backflip. I'm thinking, O.K. way to buzzed to do our planned route of some steep singletrack. When I got back to camp, he said"man my drive train is all f#*ed-up.I shine my headlamp down and his new $400 light battery and cable is wrapped around his crankset what looks like 50 times and the wires are ripped apart from trying to pedal on with it that way. I said this ride is a bad idea and he agreed.
    If I do ride buzzed it is from the campsite to the showers after the real ride.
    Later, Doug

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    Lol....

    Quote Originally Posted by Allroy
    I won a Frank Tuesday T-shirt for coming up with that phrase. I wound up burning a hole in the cheap assed shirt at a Frank Tuesday "race" when I got drunk and fell in to a fire.

    What was the question again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC

    While it's approaching 10:15 in the morning on this fine Friday, I'm already leaning toward beer thirty. In fact, I think I'll have one now and go for a ride.

    Ken
    Got a good chuckle out of that, as on this Friday a.m. it is actually RAINING! in Santa Fe..... and has been all night and should continue on and off through the weekend. Good for the drought, bad for riding.......

    And no worries about being grumpy..... I figured that it'd be something like that.
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    Damn, I suppose you're going to tell me I can't.....

    ride on the sidewalk anymore. I tried it a couple of times as a lad, but there was a big mother hill between my fav establishment and my house. Hill climbing drunk sucks!

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    Wrong!

    Quote Originally Posted by singletrack
    I drink and ride all the time, especially for big hit or urban rides. If I'm doing a shuttle or lift, I definetly pounds beers between runs.

    Not to get sloppy of course, but rather to stay loose. When you're riding you body is motabalizing everything too fast to get *drunk* anyway.

    For longer rides, I usually shove a pounder in my camelback for lunch time. When you crack a beer at the top of a 15 mile climb, suddenly everbody wants a sip.
    When you exercise and drink your body does metabolize the booze faster so you are right about that. You also get drunk faster when you are working out and drinking at the same time. So you do get drunk contrary to what you believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronny
    When you exercise and drink your body does metabolize the booze faster so you are right about that. You also get drunk faster when you are working out and drinking at the same time. So you do get drunk contrary to what you believe.

    Maybe so... but when I'm running on hops I go big.
    I wouldn't drink to get "drunk" on a ride. I'd puke on the trail.


    Now, riding on Acid, that's another story....

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    I don't quite get it: If you're riding so hard that you don't notice much of a buzz, then why even bother hauling booze along? Sounds a bit like addiction to me.

    If you can't wait until after the ride for a drink, seems a bit desperate. Not only does it slow your reflexes, it's also a diuretic. Personally, I'd rather have a cold, sweet iced tea at the summit, but all I ever bring on a hike or a bike ride is water.

    Last year, was offered a toke during a ride. Figured, what the hell, every time I try it, there's never an effect anyway. WELL. I had to stop for about five rest breaks in the next 10 miles or so. I was wiped. Would sit down and lean against a tree each time, trying not to fall asleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christine
    Last year, was offered a toke during a ride. Figured, what the hell, every time I try it, there's never an effect anyway. WELL. I had to stop for about five rest breaks in the next 10 miles or so. I was wiped. Would sit down and lean against a tree each time, trying not to fall asleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christine
    I don't quite get it: If you're riding so hard that you don't notice much of a buzz, then why even bother hauling booze along? Sounds a bit like addiction to me.

    If you can't wait until after the ride for a drink, seems a bit desperate. Not only does it slow your reflexes, it's also a diuretic. Personally, I'd rather have a cold, sweet iced tea at the summit, but all I ever bring on a hike or a bike ride is water.

    Last year, was offered a toke during a ride. Figured, what the hell, every time I try it, there's never an effect anyway. WELL. I had to stop for about five rest breaks in the next 10 miles or so. I was wiped. Would sit down and lean against a tree each time, trying not to fall asleep.
    must have been schwag

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