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    don't you hate that one guy..

    that is just standing right on the trail? like cmon dude i gotta go through!
    just happened to me today, i had good speed ,i make a sharp turn and i brake so hard i nearly fell of my bike because some dudes right there in the middle of the trail

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    Maybe he just broke down/crashed? If that's not the case, yes, poor trail manors...
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    No different then driving your car...some people are selfish.. Now saying that if he didn't crash, break down......ect then all I have to say is, YOU CAN't fix stupid!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVaz View Post
    Maybe he just broke down/crashed? If that's not the case, yes, poor trail manors...
    no he was actually texting

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    Came up a couple guys while on a climb on my single speed. They were standing on the single track with bikes side by side looking at me muscle through some wet, rooty and slightly technical climb. I finally called out "coming between you" and they got the hint.

    The trails are fool of bone heads.
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    Don't you hate that one guy....

    ...who needs to find something to be outraged over?

    Personally, I find it pretty difficult to be irritated at most anything while I'm out riding my bike. Maybe it's because I realize how lucky I am to be able to do it, and how many people out there don't have the means, motive or opportunity to do the same.

    Outrage over interference with a leisure activity is purely a First World problem, plain and simple. Since this is the passion thread, I thought I'd add that little bit of perspective. Apologies if if causes outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine Willie View Post
    Don't you hate that one guy....

    ...who needs to find something to be outraged over?
    Well glad you can be outraged over somebodies outrage.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine Willie View Post
    Don't you hate that one guy....

    ...who needs to find something to be outraged over?

    Personally, I find it pretty difficult to be irritated at most anything while I'm out riding my bike. Maybe it's because I realize how lucky I am to be able to do it, and how many people out there don't have the means, motive or opportunity to do the same.

    Outrage over interference with a leisure activity is purely a First World problem, plain and simple. Since this is the passion thread, I thought I'd add that little bit of perspective. Apologies if if causes outrage.
    u mad bro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine Willie View Post
    Don't you hate that one guy....

    ...who needs to find something to be outraged over?

    Personally, I find it pretty difficult to be irritated at most anything while I'm out riding my bike. Maybe it's because I realize how lucky I am to be able to do it, and how many people out there don't have the means, motive or opportunity to do the same.

    Outrage over interference with a leisure activity is purely a First World problem, plain and simple. Since this is the passion thread, I thought I'd add that little bit of perspective. Apologies if if causes outrage.
    What this guy says. I think some folks should chill out. Why get so mad because someone made you slow down? THE HORRORS!!!!!

    Everyone spaces out sometimes. It was his turn. Someday it will be yours. Life will continue I'm sure.
    How can anyone who's been riding as long as I have, be so slow???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock View Post
    What this guy says. I think some folks should chill out. Why get so mad because someone made you slow down? THE HORRORS!!!!!

    Everyone spaces out sometimes. It was his turn. Someday it will be yours. Life will continue I'm sure.
    Well said. What I hate is the one guy shts on the floor in the single toilet bathroom. A guy in the middle of the trail is no big deal, unless he is taking a dump....
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    It's a blessing to be tolerant. There are certainly lots of clueless people in this world that require tolerating. Lord knows Iv'e been one of them on more than one occasion.
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    Here in Korea , the reason they suck at driving cars is because they have only been doing it for 30-40 years, well after being out on the trails, I would say they have only been walking for the same amount of time.

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    I treat all mid trail users like slalom posts. Carve your corner around them as hard as you can, and its ok to clip them with your shoulder just a bit.

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    I'd Enduro© right over that dude.

    Seriously though, you almost fell off your bike trying to stop for an unmoving person in the trail??? What if it had been a rider coming the other way on the trail? This would have given you even less distance to stop.

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    Unless it turns out to be a woman who falls deeply in love with me and she has enough money for us both to stop working and travel the world riding MTB then it's OK.

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    In my first xc race (for fun) I managed to get cramp in both front and back of my thighs in both legs at the same time! I was standing there in the middle of the track hoping no one came while I couldn't move in agony....luckily I managed to get out the way before any one came .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    A guy in the middle of the trail is no big deal, unless he is taking a dump....
    Three weeks ago I came upon a guy standing in the middle of the trail, facing away from me, and taking a leak right on the trail. Come on, take a couple of steps to one side and aim for the bushes, people have to ride through that now!
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    Re: don't you hate that one guy..

    Once I got cactus needles stuck in a god awful part of my foot. Pedaling and standing even stung. I kind of pulled off the side of the trail but it was very narrow and brushy and cactusy on both sides off of it. I'm getting my shoe off and not a moment after I had stopped some assclown pulls up and is like " great place to stop huh?". I was livid! I started to cry right there in front of him. It was all very stressful.

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    Re: don't you hate that one guy..

    Quote Originally Posted by jjaguar View Post
    Three weeks ago I came upon a guy standing in the middle of the trail, facing away from me, and taking a leak right on the trail. Come on, take a couple of steps to one side and aim for the bushes, people have to ride through that now!
    What a jackwagon!!

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    Look at those moments as educational opportunities. It is definitely irritating to find a deuce on the trail (dog/horse/human). People, clean up after your animal or yourself...if you gotta go, take a little hike into the woods and bury it.

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    On singletrack trails at my local spot I try to be courteous and do a little whistle to let them know I'm coming, say thanks and move on. Helps portray a positive image and all. Mostly the folks that think they are the only ones on the planet don't go much more than a mile from the parking areas, so I just try to avoid those spots.

    I frequently string together road rides using our local rail trail as a connector and on the weekends that's a whole different ball game. I picture myself in a walking dead scenario and imagine I'm dodging zombies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Well said. What I hate is the one guy shts on the floor in the single toilet bathroom. A guy in the middle of the trail is no big deal, unless he is taking a dump....
    A mate of mine was at the department Christmas party when a dude rushed out of the dunny yelling for everyone to "check this out!". He and others witnessed artistic circular patterns of excrement covering all walls of the cube, floor to ceiling. Someone proclaimed, "Holy $hit, this guy's got an acrobatic arsehole!" Turns out is was someone disgruntled with a colostomy bag. Oddly, everyone has good memories of it.

    So Vespa, enhance your calm and nicely ask kjlued for his blade.....

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    Had someone blocking the middle of a downhill trail on my ride yesterday as I was quickly approaching a corner. I rang my incredibell but no reaction. It was a young lady hiker who decided it was getting too warm and decided to stop and put her long hair up in a pony tail. She re-adjusted it several times until it was just right. When she finally noticed that she was in my way, she was startled but apologized. I didn't mind watching... I mean waiting for her to allow me to pass. Cause I'm a nice guy like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjaguar View Post
    Three weeks ago I came upon a guy standing in the middle of the trail, facing away from me, and taking a leak right on the trail. Come on, take a couple of steps to one side and aim for the bushes, people have to ride through that now!
    Actually, one place we ride tends to have homeless people living in it. Never forgot one morning coming across a guy shtting next to the trail. He was pissed as hell (that we disturbed him!) and started chasing us - pants down. The last guy in our group was convinced he was throwing his sht at us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crutton View Post
    no he was actually texting
    I don't normally condone this type of conscious action, but you shoulda hit the guy. Who does that? Gotta stop and text my girl and be like I'm out riding, it's sooo cool! wtf
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    This never happens to me, I just bunny hop them, once I bunny hopped a kid and a dog!

    Sounds like you need to work on your tech skills, if you rode a 26" bike you would learn to ride properly.
    With a 29er you can just roll over them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crutton View Post
    no he was actually texting
    Well that changes the whole game. I mean seriously, you don't expect him to ride and text?
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    Its warm and fuzzy to 'not care', but if you never care, bad behavior becomes more and more acceptable. Is courtesy now out-of-style?

    Probably. That doesn't mean I don't try to practice it and appreciate it when I see some thrown my way. It also doesn't mean I don't shake my head at self-absorbed guys like in the OPs post.

    It would be nice if people at least tried to pretend that they have some concern for others.

    Yet more evidence that cell/smart phones are more evil than good.

    Modern credo seems to say Its all about me, meee, MEEEEE!

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    one of the trails I ride has a lot of people walking their dogs, without leashes. I wish instead of yelling at me about how friendly the dog is, they would yell at the dog about how unfriendly I am. not much worse on a hill climb or good descent than a dog just staring at you.

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    Almost hit a trail runner last ride. It was my fault for going fast on a downhill towards a corner with enough speed to just be barely able to avoid her when she emerged from the bushes blocking the view of the turn as I skidded off the trail in the dry conditions as she stared at her feet listening to music running directly at me deaf to the ringing of my bell.

    Luckily no trees or cactus right there so going off the wide trail wasn't really an issue. Plus I was almost stopped at that point.


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    headphones+single track = bad idea.

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    I once had the audacity to stand on the trail for a minute while out hiking, shame on me! I would have deserved it had I been killed, or at least publicly flogged.

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    Unless its a Mountain biking specific trail you shouldnt even go into a ride with a mindset like that. Multi-use means families hiking or people walking dogs. Mountain biking is adrenaline pumping, I get it, but hiking is for people to unwind.

    Would you be so upset about a hiker not diving off the trail as you come ripping around a corner? I hope not.

    Do you seriously never stop on the trail without dragging your bike off the trail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizzer16 View Post
    Unless its a Mountain biking specific trail you shouldnt even go into a ride with a mindset like that. Multi-use means families hiking or people walking dogs. Mountain biking is adrenaline pumping, I get it, but hiking is for people to unwind.

    Would you be so upset about a hiker not diving off the trail as you come ripping around a corner? I hope not.

    Do you seriously never stop on the trail without dragging your bike off the trail?
    he was a biker dude and he was on his bike but standing with his legs over the bike right on the middle of the trail.
    and the trail i was on is bike only

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    Re: don't you hate that one guy..

    I was out last week on a trail and came around a bend and see this guy just walking, no bike.. Dead center of the trail. I say excuse me, nothing. Ride behind him a few more seconds, and my friend his gf and my gf catch up.. So now 4 of us are behind him. I flick my shifters, maybe he'll hear that and look? Nope. So I tap him on the shoulder, and he jumps and turns around scared shitless. He had headphones on, so i say thanks and keep going.. I don't know if I was outraged, it was kinda funny really. But he could have been hurt. You probably shouldn't walk through a mtb trail with both ear buds in

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    With a 29er you can just roll over them.
    Hahaha......ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crutton View Post
    no he was actually texting
    Nah bro, I'm calling big BS on this one. Your so full of ****, your eyes are brown. If he was in the middle of the trail texting, you have have added that little texting detail in the OP. But, someone comes up with a good excuse for why he might have been in the middle of the trail and all of a sudden the dude was texting. **** dude, how stupid do you think we are?

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    I've lost count of the number of times I've encountered oblivious hikers/walkers, (lost) shakey riders on beater bikes, parents and kids stopping, riders merging without yielding etc etc .... all on clearly marked dh trails at my favorite bike park.

    Did they ruin my day... no. I don't see it that way at all. Those folks were ignorant and didn't see that their actions were dangerous to themselves or others. It's in my nature to warn them. In every situation, I acted accordingly (telling them to get off the trail because...) and never saw those folks again. And I continue to rip down the trails
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    This is why you gotta ride with lead knuckle gloves and sawblades attached to the back of your forearms. Or maybe a samurai sword. Somebody in your way? Cut 'em in half! Then you could put their head on a stake above a sign that says "no stopping on the trail!" Maybe writing a sign is going too far.

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    The dude had clothes on right? So it couldn't have been that bad.



    Naked dude in the middle of the trail, that's a different thing altogether.

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    I hate those guys blazing down the trails with their mind off in space. I was detered a lot when I first started riding by those people flying up on me raging down the trail. I get it, your skills are higher, but for the lower people who take their time it's pretty frustrating. They should have rage only trails instead of novice-advanced rating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shining_trapezoid View Post
    This is why you gotta ride with lead knuckle gloves and sawblades attached to the back of your forearms. Or maybe a samurai sword. Somebody in your way? Cut 'em in half! Then you could put their head on a stake above a sign that says "no stopping on the trail!" Maybe writing a sign is going too far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soflotrailer View Post
    I hate those guys blazing down the trails with their mind off in space. I was detered a lot when I first started riding by those people flying up on me raging down the trail. I get it, your skills are higher, but for the lower people who take their time it's pretty frustrating. They should have rage only trails instead of novice-advanced rating.
    They don't know you why do they have to change their pace because of yours? There's more than enough trail for everyone. They pass, you keep going

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    Re: don't you hate that one guy..

    So, you should stand at the landing zone of a jump? That's where your stand? No. You stand on the edges of the trail. He didn't take them out, they took him out.

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    i use javelins. they double as great slalom gates with heads on 'em.
    Carrying javelins on a bike is kind of a hassle, but the multifunctionality is worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crutton View Post
    no he was actually texting
    you have my permission to track his a$$ down and biotch slap him silly.

    You are supposed to be riding, not txting. I'd say leave the phone in the car, but it serves an emergency purpose
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    I don't let any oblivious person 'ruin' my ride, but....

    Why is it not a natural instinct to move to side of the trail if you are going to voluntarily stop?

    I have never intentionally stopped and stood there with my bike in the middle of a trail. Never. Not once. Why would I? What is so hard about moving over a foot or two? Is it that exhausting to do so?

    Its like drivers switching lanes with no signal. Is it that far of a reach to the turn stalk? Is it going to cause a cramp? No. Its just simple inconsideration. Why make an effort FOR somebody else? What's in it for ME?

    And if its a part of the trail where there are no places to move over...don't stop!!

    I have a friend who I ride very rarely with now because he HAS TO wear an earbud and just can't wait to read that critical text message. Gotta stop NOW and right here...in the middle of the trail. I've chastised him multiple times for it. Its completely embarrassing. I've had to push him off the trail at times.

    Most offenders just can't think outside of themselves and probably won't ever change.

    However, I feel we need to remind them that the world doesn't revolve around them wherever possible. Ignoring/tolerating the behavior certainly won't change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    So, you should stand at the landing zone of a jump? That's where your stand? No. You stand on the edges of the trail. He didn't take them out, they took him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizzer16 View Post
    Unless its a Mountain biking specific trail you shouldnt even go into a ride with a mindset like that. Multi-use means families hiking or people walking dogs. Mountain biking is adrenaline pumping, I get it, but hiking is for people to unwind.

    Would you be so upset about a hiker not diving off the trail as you come ripping around a corner? I hope not.

    Do you seriously never stop on the trail without dragging your bike off the trail?
    First off if I ever stop on the trail I am either
    a) Waiting for somebody to catch up. In which case I look for other users to make sure I am not in the way.
    b) Have a mechanical and pull off accordingly as to not block other trail users.

    No to address people in my way.

    Other trail users (runners, hikers, equestrians) don't bother me. I slow down for them, say hello, act courteous, etc. I respect their rights to the and try to impede their use as little as possible. I expect the same.

    Somebody in the middle of the trail oblivious and selfishly ignoring other peoples rights to the trail in order to send text messages gets no respect from me and yes they deserve to be publicly shammed.

    Hope the difference clears things up for you .
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    Oh yeah, and if I slow down for a runner and announce myself but they fail to move because their headphones are in and they can't hear me, I blast through them.

    I am overly courteous to everyone until I realize that they are rude and then I am overly rude back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am overly courteous to everyone until I realize that they are rude and then I am overly rude back.
    Im gonna sound like a hippie here but try not to spread the rudeness/hate, instead, just squash it.

    On topic, I sometimes have to stop on the trail and realize I am in the middle and move over, but I have never gotten in someones way. The thing that irritates me is when a person going downhill doesn't want to unclip or stop so they just go off trail and ride around in the grass. Because this always happens I usually am the one that unclips, puts a foot down, and takes the step aside.


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    I could be on a six foot wide trail, in the deep woods, with a half mile of trail visible to me in both directions, and I won't stop in the middle of the trail for fear of not hearing someone coming.

    And in those moments, when there are no sounds of people, I soon become suspicious, and start checking trees to see if someone is hiding behind them, watching me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by provin1327 View Post
    Im gonna sound like a hippie here but try not to spread the rudeness/hate, instead, just squash it.

    I hear what you are saying but sometimes it is better to smack the puppy on the nose so they learn a lesson.

    If a runner keeps headphones in preventing their awareness to your presence and the blasted a couple times, maybe they will finally figure out to turn them down, take one out or better yet, just leave them at home.

    Same for a guy texting on the trail. I get that sometimes it is necessary. I have a friend that is tech support and sometimes on call. Even though the text can wait, sometimes due to fading signals in the forest, you just need to answer it where you can. However step off the trail and do it. If I see it, I am going to yell coming through but I am not going to slow down a lot. Maybe he will learn that it is unacceptable practice and next time he will step off the trail to do it.

    Or you can just go all hippie zen and they will keep doing it, Then someday when they are in the corner of gnarly downhill cause injury because somebody doesn't see them in time.
    And before anyone says you can always inform them peacefully, try it a few times. It will eventually end you up in a fight.

    Just an opinion of differences on how to handle a situation. I will agree that two wrongs don't make a right but it may prevent further wrongs in the future.
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    I try to ride when others aren't there. Early morning, just before dark, after dark with lights. Last night's ride was in a wet fog, just before dark, so I figured there would be no one riding. I was wrong. At the top of the downhill section there were a few others around. To start the downhill section there is a stepdown, a small hit, a corner, a right hip, a left hip, a right hip and another left hip, all within about 100 yards. Many people including myself session this section, pushing back up after each run. A couple of guys there last night were calling their drop ins, which I thought was funny because they weren't hitting the stepdown and therefore had clear sight to see no one was below them. I joked with my buddy about them calling their drop in and he said at least they are being cautious. So I decide to call my drop in, especially because the stepdown which I was hitting doesn't have a clear line of sight, figured these guys might be pushing back up. I hit the stepdown, small hit, come around the corner, start hitting the hips jumps and here they are walking their bikes side by side in front of the last hip. They had a good 50 yards to figure out I was coming, but continued to block the trail. So I stopped short of hitting the last hip. I thought it was funny that they cared enough to call their drop in, but were oblivious to the fact that I was coming on them, when I also called my drop in. Basically, it does no good to call your drop in if others aren't paying attention anyway.
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    Well said Willie.

    Yes: there are morons on the trail, just like there are morons in front of your computers.

    The only thing I get irritated at when I am riding is my diet over the past 25 years and the incessant clicking and ticking of my drivetrain and rear wheel.

    Cheers to Willie for putting this in perspective!

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    I honestly think this is so simple! Courtesy and Respect go BOTH ways. Riders/Hikers/Equestrian/Cell Addicts/etc.

    If you don't have respect, you simply don't get any back, and you treat others as you want to be treated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Br80 View Post
    Well said Willie.

    Yes: there are morons on the trail, just like there are morons in front of your computers.
    The difference is that the morons on the trail can actually effect your ride and even get somebody hurt. You can't choose to not have them in your way.

    Morons on the computer you can simply ignore if you so chose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    I honestly think this is so simple! Courtesy and Respect go BOTH ways. Riders/Hikers/Equestrian/Cell Addicts/etc.

    If you don't have respect, you simply don't get any back, and you treat others as you want to be treated.

    Sh**t, now who sounds like a hippie??
    Exactly and it isn't being a hippie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Nah bro, I'm calling big BS on this one. Your so full of ****, your eyes are brown. If he was in the middle of the trail texting, you have have added that little texting detail in the OP. But, someone comes up with a good excuse for why he might have been in the middle of the trail and all of a sudden the dude was texting. **** dude, how stupid do you think we are?
    yo shut the **** up stop hating you goofy mother****er

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    I can't stand running into this instant crowd on the trail.
    1) Get on your bike and ride the trail, then you won't be in my way.
    2) If you want to stand there and watch others ride move yourselves and your bikes well off the trail, don't make me squeeze through your group.
    3) Don't assume you know what line I am taking.
    4) Don't tell me when I can go when you're standing in my line, insinuating that I should go around you

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    Well I had two fun hikers, one I was peddling slowly behind , trailing about 5 feet and he stopped, I startled him and he almost swung on me. Was wearing headphones, not a clue what was around him.

    Second hiker, headphones again, trailing him on single track and he stopped (figured he finally heard me) uphill with roots , tire slipped and I crashed. Was trapped against a tree, what fun. Then he walked off, didn't know I was behind him.

    A few other encounters, the normal. Most Koreans seem to hike with there heads buried far up their a.....

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    I know that I personally and a fairly courteous rider. Often looking behind me just to make sure someone faster isn't coming along. I am out there to have fun and don't want to ruin someone else's fun because I'm in the way. After all, plenty of riders are faster. If I have to stop for any reason I am off to the side of the trail.

    I want to expect that most people are courteous in some form or another but we all know that doesn't happen. People on public shared trails that wear headphones is what kills me. Making not even an attempt to hear whats around them.

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    This to me is why trails should not be mixed use trails, hikers using headphones who do not choose to use one side of trail only are a nuisance , stop being lazy and just walk on the left or right side of trail do not assume your the only people using the trail, they all want us to use bells to warn of our presence on the trail but refuse to pay attention to their surroundings? And to me other cyclists who have to stop on trail for any reason I myself assume any moment someone else can come up behind or in front of me I get to as far as possible to one side of trail and keep an eye out while I am hydrating or adjusting my bike etc.

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    I'm sure at times I've been bothered by people stopped and blocking the trail, but it's not something I remember for long. I can't remember a specific instance.

    What do remember though, are the people who yell at me for yielding right away to them, when I had right of way. In the 15+ years I've been mountain biking, this has happened 3 times. Specifically, I've been yelled at by riders coming downhill, when as the upward bound rider, I moved aside.

    The last time it happened, a large group was coming down hill, and I was slogging along at a recovery pace. I didn't know what the group was going to do. I didn't know them or what their abilities were. Since I was at the bottom of the climb, I stepped aside. The leader yelled at me, saying "uphill direction has right of way." Frankly, it wasn't really clear that he was going to yield at all as he blasted by.

    This just doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm just slogging uphill at a slow pace, I'm happy to move aside and let another rider enjoy an unfettered descent. Even if I did assert my right away, I might not enjoy them blasting by me as close as they dare. Maybe I'm enjoying their descent vicariously, and want to stop and watch.

    In general I believe in sticking to right of way rules, because it's confusing if people make up rules as they go. Still, I don't think it's unreasonable for a right of way rider to yield on occasion.

    For example, many other times, a slow rider allows an overtaking rider to pass. When this occurs, the overtaking rider is always grateful. If the slow rider doesn't yield, that's basically the case the original poster brought up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crutton View Post
    that is just standing right on the trail? like cmon dude i gotta go through!
    just happened to me today, i had good speed ,i make a sharp turn and i brake so hard i nearly fell of my bike because some dudes right there in the middle of the trail
    Poor trail manners on your part pal for not being aware that another rider could be coming your way that you couldnt see and slowing down just in case.

    well admitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dagenhay View Post
    I can't stand running into this instant crowd on the trail.
    1) Get on your bike and ride the trail, then you won't be in my way.
    2) If you want to stand there and watch others ride move yourselves and your bikes well off the trail, don't make me squeeze through your group.
    3) Don't assume you know what line I am taking.
    4) Don't tell me when I can go when you're standing in my line, insinuating that I should go around you

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    Me me me me me me my...

    A perfect example of the lack of tolerance for other trail users that creates every bit of trail conflict that exists.

    I was disc golfing the other day when a perfect analog of yourself was angry at a noob that was not aware of "disc golf etiquette" DISC GOLF!!! I was embarrassed for the guy, misguided as he was.

    At some point you lose sight of the point of recreation, and in your case respect for others trying to enjoy the same thing that you are. The trail does not belong to you. It could be as easy as you slightly adjusting your line. If the presence of other trail users is really affecting you enjoyment on the trail, then ride earlier (or later) or find your own hillside and build your own trail so you can be all by yourself. The rest of us will continue to ride amongst each other in a more perfect harmony without you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    The difference is that the morons on the trail can actually effect your ride and even get somebody hurt. You can't choose to not have them in your way.

    Morons on the computer you can simply ignore if you so chose.
    You said it yourself: "you can't choose to not have them in your way." Exactly! its what's called an "objective hazard" and its a part of riding on public trails. Lots of things can injure you on the trail; you do your best to mitigate them and move on having the most fun you possibly can. That's the point isn't it? Otherwise we could all stay on our treadmills in the garage.

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    The best is when that one guy has fkn earphones in and cant hear you! GAH RAGE!
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    The Dumb asses that go the wrong way on directional trails!

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrasmak View Post
    Most Koreans seem to hike with there heads buried far up their a.....
    Wow, we went from "hating one guy" to this???

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    The more you ride, the more you'll get used to some of the rude, and sometimes downright crazy trail behavior you come across.

    A couple years back I was 'enjoying' a notoriously long and painful climb on a local trail when I came across a group of about 15-20 Indians (from India, not Native Americans) hiking in what I can only assume was tradition Indian clothing; colorful dresses, sandals, slacks, blazers, etc.... Considering we were in the middle of the Pennsylvanian wilderness on one of the most popular mountain bike trail networks in the state, you can image how out of place these folks were.

    They were all very polite, and moved to the side as I huffed and puffed my way through. As I'm almost through the group I hear one of them say "Good Job, High-Five!" and he literally holds his hand up in front of me as I was riding past. Never being one to ignore a heart felt "Five!" request I obliged.

    To this day the most surreal and bizarre cycling experience I have ever had.

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    My pet peeve is when people smoke cigarettes at the trail. Selfish basters.

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    My pet peeve is when people smoke cigarettes at the trail. Selfish basters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Br80 View Post
    A perfect example of the lack of tolerance for other trail users that creates every bit of trail conflict that exists.
    Maybe I should clarify, I didn't actually say those things to them. I didn't say one word to them. I stopped, waited until they moved enough for me to squeeze by them. In fact, the guy whose hand is on the left of the picture told me when I could go. So I tolerated them, I went around them. So how do you see this as trail conflict? I didn't say anything to them, they moved some, I rode the rest of the way around them. What do you define as trail conflict, me not liking how others ride or stand around.

    Far from a perfect example of lack of tolerance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Br80 View Post
    The trail does not belong to you. It could be as easy as you slightly adjusting your line. If the presence of other trail users is really affecting you enjoyment on the trail, then ride earlier (or later) or find your own hillside and build your own trail so you can be all by yourself. The rest of us will continue to ride amongst each other in a more perfect harmony without you.
    Never said the trail belongs to me. I did adjust my line to go around them. However, why should I have to adjust my line to accomodate them but they don't need to move to accomodate me?

    I do ride early and late to avoid crowds. I rode at 7am and 7pm today. I have helped build the features on this trail and I know for a fact that none of these guys have helped. It's on private land and neither them, myself or you have any right to tell someone they can't ride it. I've never told anyone not to ride here. You on the other hand have told me to find my own hillside.

    So how long does someone get to claim ignorance as a noob? This crew has been coming 10-20 riders for over 2 years that I've seen. They've yet to learn any trail etiquette. And I don't plan to teach them it, I follow the common sense trail etiquette and you can't teach someone common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickhorse View Post
    Wow, we went from "hating one guy" to this???
    Because that 1 guy is 80% of the people on my local trails. I think I'm going yo start riding only at night shortly

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    Re: don't you hate that one guy..

    The loop by my house would be really dangerous if people stopped in the middle of it and gathered. There are points where you can move off the trail, but I've seen people just standing in the middle of a rooty and rocky incline and that ****ing sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dagenhay View Post
    Maybe I should clarify, I didn't actually blah blah blah...
    I'll clarify too...lol

    I didn't say it was a trail conflict. Re read my post.

    The lack of tolerance I was referring to was your post...my perception of your apparent poor attitude and (maybe arbitrarily, but) reflected in your reputation.

    They don't have to move to accommodate you because you didn't ask them too. Its a social skill called "conversation".

    Telling you to find your own hillside was not telling you not to ride anywhere. I don't know, or care to know where you ride. I was merely suggesting that you find peace in some solitude. But I am super pleased to hear that this is a privately owned trail. I usually only ride on public trails.

    If you are not going to pass along what's obviously an empirical understanding of "trail etiquette", than who will? Its the experienced trail user's responsibility to mentor the inexperienced (or ignorant). Whether its a diplomatic conversation to explain why someone's behavior is dangerous to other trail users, or just a quick and tactful comment. Some people do not come with common sense. Its an unfortunate fact of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickhorse View Post
    Wow, we went from "hating one guy" to this???
    It only seems bad until you realize his statement was based on location and not race. (He is in Korea)
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    Reading this thread makes me realize how fortunate I am to live in a reasonably populated area. Some of the trails described here sound like they could do with traffic signals and on/off ramps, I could stop and play a game of chess in the middle of the trails I ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    It only seems bad until you realize his statement was based on location and not race. (He is in Korea)
    100% correct and if they were in the USA, they may feel the same about the way we are. I don't know how they could think that, but they probably would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizzer16 View Post

    Do you seriously never stop on the trail without dragging your bike off the trail?
    No I don't. I really don't understand why it's so hard to find an appropriate place to pull off the trail and do whatever you want to do. I definitely agree with the OP that it's super annoying. Right up there with people that race/chase unknowing riders.

    We aren't talking about hikers, runners, break downs, or crashes. We're talking about that guy or group of guys that are stopped mid trail for no real good reason. If there is room for me to ride off the trail around you, there is enough room for you to get off the trail. You say drag like it's some crazy amount of work beyond the actual riding off road. If you're going slower than everyone else, the courteous thing is allow people to pass where appropriate/safe.

    If someone is crashed or broken I'll offer them help or ask if he/she is OK. It's all just part of being a courteous person. These are the same guys who just ride past a crash or a break down with "That sucks", eyes forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crutton View Post
    that is just standing right on the trail? like cmon dude i gotta go through!
    just happened to me today, i had good speed ,i make a sharp turn and i brake so hard i nearly fell of my bike because some dudes right there in the middle of the trail
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    Thanks Moonshine...

    Moonshine - I, for one, appreciate you speaking up. I agree, it's painful when someone does this but on rare occasion I find myself violating some kind of trail code simply b/c I'm experiencing an adrenaline stoke, forgetting all etiquette, and become totally self-centered. So, apologies in advance to my MTB brothers and sisters. If I block your trail please just assume I'm blinded by the high. I would never purposefully interrupt your stoke - but I may do it by accident.

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    The vast majority of the time, people do these sorts of things by accident more than by design. It rarely because they're just trying to be obnoxious.

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    I really hope those two knuckleheads realized their wrong, and apologized. You could have been hurt pretty bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    This never happens to me, I just bunny hop them, once I bunny hopped a kid and a dog!

    Sounds like you need to work on your tech skills, if you rode a 26" bike you would learn to ride properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    The vast majority of the time, people do these sorts of things by accident more than by design. It rarely because they're just trying to be obnoxious.
    Yeah, but ignorance is still no excuse. The fact you are walking obliviously on a trail does not make it OK. This to me is being ignorant of your surroundings.
    Be oblivious in your own house, but when you are in public places that can involve others, pay the frick attention! It's a little thing called courtesy.


    Lastly, if it's either run into someone or off the trail into a tree. I'm gonna brace to plow them. Same as what i would do in my car. You go off the road and hit a tree and your the only one left with damage that you have to pay for. Nope. not this guy!
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    I hate when i hear people complain about useless crap. I would love to be on a trail right now, I work in the oil field 12hrs a day 7days a week so anytime i get to hit a trail is a blessing and dont care if someone gets in my way. I will just go around and enjoy the other hundreds of miles of trail there not on

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesd1980 View Post
    I hate when i hear people complain about useless crap. I would love to be on a trail right now, I work in the oil field 12hrs a day 7days a week so anytime i get to hit a trail is a blessing and dont care if someone gets in my way. I will just go around and enjoy the other hundreds of miles of trail there not on
    So you show your hatred for people venting about their first world problems by venting your first world problem.

    On the flip side, there is some guy out there that would feel just having a job is a blessing and they wouldn't care if they had to spend 12 hours a day 7 days a week on an oil rig.

    FYI as said in prior posts and shown by the pictures above, people who are oblivious of their surroundings standing on the trails and blocking it are a danger to other trail users. That being said, it really isn't useless to get upset about it. For somebody like me who has a physical job it could cause me to be out of work and then I would be one of those guys just wishing I had a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    The vast majority of the time, people do these sorts of things by accident more than by design. It rarely because they're just trying to be obnoxious.
    Well said. Allot of folks who dont ride, dont realize what they are doing to those who do. Just chill and have fun, we all F up here and there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onegearaddict View Post
    As I'm almost through the group I hear one of them say "Good Job, High-Five!" and he literally holds his hand up in front of me as I was riding past. Never being one to ignore a heart felt "Five!" request I obliged.

    To this day the most surreal and bizarre cycling experience I have ever had.
    Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onegearaddict View Post
    As I'm almost through the group I hear one of them say "Good Job, High-Five!" and he literally holds his hand up in front of me as I was riding past. Never being one to ignore a heart felt "Five!" request I obliged.
    I was road riding once when I heard, "Nice BRO! High Five!" I was like "what?" and looked to my left and there was someone on a Suzuki GSXR 600 holding it out there. It was pretty awesome 20 mph high five.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Fvck that, I am going to cut the next mother fvcker that ruins my flow.
    This made me literally lol.

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    We have trail days for our scout troop, and I am often riding with 10-12 scouts and 2-3 other leaders. I take the head of the group to control speed and have become so used to calling out corners and giving advance notice to people standing on the trail that I do it all the time. Headphone type doesn't matter when you speak up, they will hear you if you are trying to be heard. Other than trail noobs that can get confused at first, a loud "CLEAR THE TRAIL, PLEASE!" will do exactly that 99.5% of the time. Most riders that linger around a favorite section are respectful of those that are riding through.

    You've got to put effort into it. Specific needs should be expressed, and never assume they know what to do. For example, if I plan to hit a berm in a corner, I tell them to clear the berm and trail. At time when stopped we can forget our positioning on the trail, so I might as a group to move to the inside, or let them know which line I am taking, etc.

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    generally speaking, if you think everybody around you is an ash hole, you're probably the ash hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFinn510 View Post
    generally speaking, if you think everybody around you is an ash hole, you're probably the ash hole.
    You've given me a lot to think about...

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