Does size really matter?

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  • 10-25-2012
    lidarman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Good thing you don't have to worry about that. :p

    Exactly!:)
  • 10-26-2012
    zrm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FX4 View Post
    I When I go XC riding........ when I go mountain biking.......

    :confused:
  • 10-26-2012
    zrm
    I'll be shopping around for a new bike next year. I've tried some 29" wheel bikes and have been a bit underwhelmed, at least considering the hype. They do some things very well and others not so well. I'd like to try some 650b wheel bikes to see what they feel like but demos are hard to come by.
  • 10-26-2012
    bigbadwulff
    It's not the size of the wheel, it's the motion of the shock that counts.
  • 10-26-2012
    JoePAz
    I have 26" hard tail with v-brakes. I just did ride with two guys. One with a jet9 and the other with a rip9. Overall I did just fine keeping up. The fs bikes could be faster on the descents, but I don't care that much about being fast on the downhills. I have more fun picking way stuff. Plus and time gained on the downhill will be lost on the uphills. In the end it is more the rider.
  • 10-26-2012
    FX4
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    :confused:

    Fine let me revise that. When I'm riding smooth rolling trails vs steep downhill, techy rock gardens, cleaning trees, etc... XC less than all mountain.
  • 10-27-2012
    iperov
    depend on style

    hard mountains - 20",
    XC - 24",
    50% asphalt - 26"
    >80% aphalt - 29er
  • 10-27-2012
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iperov View Post
    depend on style

    hard mountains - 20",
    XC - 24",
    50% asphalt - 26"
    >80% aphalt - 29er

    WTF??????????:idea::crazy::yikes::out::rant::shock ed::drumroll::rolleyes:
  • 10-27-2012
    Gordon Shumway
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iperov View Post
    depend on style

    hard mountains - 20",
    XC - 24",
    50% asphalt - 26"
    >80% aphalt - 29er

    My iPad sent my neg rep too soon.. Just want to let you know that it was from me. Please feel free to explain this post.. 20"???
  • 10-27-2012
    iperov
    I can explain, but it requested by apple user... so not. When I give facts to apple users, they give me faith.
  • 10-27-2012
    s0ckeyeus
    I don't mind being 3" shy of the next guy. I used to be self-conscious, but then I started wearing my lycra backwards. Now no one has to know...
  • 10-27-2012
    dwt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    Here is an interesting article asking some of the top designers in the mtb industry about wheel size and their plans for the future.

    The Future of 27.5 and 650b Mountain Bike Wheels | Bicycling Magazine

    Particularly interesting what Dave Turner says about 27.5 eventually killing off the 26" wheel (see page 3).

    DT is only saying that about short travel 26". He thinks some DH riders will move up to 27.5", but not the top ones. So plenty of room for long travel 26" and 27.5" (which has virtually the same geo as 26"). 29" harder to fit with long travel forks and geo. But the roll for HT and short travel uses can't be beat.

    So there will be 3 wheel choices around for the foreseeable future. It's all rider and terrain dependent.


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  • 10-27-2012
    Gordon Shumway
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iperov View Post
    I can explain, but it requested by apple user... so not. When I give facts to apple users, they give me faith.

    Sign your neg rep next time. Now I'm on a PC so what exactly did your post mean? I should be riding a 20" BMX bike on mountains? :out:
  • 10-27-2012
    shekky
    my 17.5" 26" ibis alibi is better for slow, tight trails with a lot of switchbacks. (mount sutro/twin peaks, waterdog lake)

    my 19" 29 marin pine mountain is better for high speed fire roads and groomed singletrack. (marin headlands, china camp state park)
  • 10-27-2012
    iperov
    20" for hard mountains, because easy get vertical hills on LIGHTEST wheel in the world, easy accelerating, 20" is tractor style accelerate: just push and feel power of accelerate.

    29" wheel is most heavy wheel. 29er hardtail bike weight more than my 26 full suspension LMAO.
    Weight on wheels collecting muscle power for unstoppable inertia driving, long accelerate, bad braking, best for long asphalt racing. XC 29er? ROFL, no thanks, in other life.
  • 10-27-2012
    joshman108
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Why is it that the guys that believe size doesn't matter always have smaller ones?:skep:

    BTW, on a serious note, I hear plenty of guys that have 26" bikes out on the trails say their next bike will be a 29er but I have never heard a guy on a 29er say he wants a 26er.
    I wonder why that is?:thumbsup:



    I must say my next bike is going to be a 26 for sure.

    I gave 29 a sporting chance :)

    I will say for sure that 29 looks more proportional.
    I cant wait for 650 to get popular.
  • 10-27-2012
    brianW.
    I am currently shopping for a 24" and a 20". My rides may be slower but getting my daughters riding is priceless.
  • 10-27-2012
    Gordon Shumway
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iperov View Post
    20" for hard mountains

    What size for soft mountains?
  • 10-27-2012
    zephxiii
    26" FS = AWESOME!

    From the short demo that I had I think for my HT i am wanting 29 though.
  • 10-27-2012
    RajunCajun44
    all I know is used 26 inch wheeled bike are insanely cheap... Granted this bike has vbrakes, but I cannot believe how cheap it went for...

    Arizona Haro Custom Built Mountain Bike 26 5 lbs Marzocchi Deore XT Mavic | eBay
  • 10-27-2012
    unbalanced
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FX4 View Post
    That's not true. I bought a 29er first, didn't particularly care for it. Turned around and bought a 26. I still have both, the 26 gets ridden 90% of the time. I just enjoy riding it more.

    Ditto. 29'er are good for XC, but for me, AM riding and techy trails, 26'ers are more fun and that is why I ride.
  • 10-27-2012
    dwt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post

    Related question -- does anyone here think that the difference between 26 and 29 might have been blown out of proportion somewhat?

    Nope. Night and Day. Not even close. I've heard more riders who think that the difference between 26" and 27.5" is insignificant, which makes more sense given the not so proportionally different size, similar geometry and the fact that 27.5" can handle he same travel without being too tall with a ridiculous wheel base. But most of those people are 29'er riders used to incredible roll, so anything smaller seems inadequate. OTOH, 26'er riders moving up to 27.5" can usually feel better roll and slightly more sluggish handling though not nearly as pronounced as 29"

    Quote:

    Of course, there are those on MTBR that make a tubeless conversion seem like a huge change performance-wise.
    Well it does. You don't have to be some sort of super sensitive pro to tell. Differences in wheel size, tire pressure, tire width, tire tread, geometry, and suspension are easily apparent to a rider with more than a few years experience IMO.


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  • 10-27-2012
    coopdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hollyw00d View Post
    Having ridden both, I prefer 26". I feel like they're more playful, and I'm not a big guy 5'7" 175, so 29" feels too big for my liking...

    So for me 26" all day. my commuter is a 26" as well and I like it.

    Hollyw00d, have you tried a 650er? I am wondering if they would be a good scaled down 29 for short guys like us (I too am 5'7").
  • 10-27-2012
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Its always good to have a sister to get some early practice in with,:skep: i did and now im married to her with 3 kids, the kids have a few inbred traits and deformities, but they will get over it....:thumbsup:

    well, if it wasn't for the same practice - you'd never see the light of the day, eh?

    just sayin'...

    ;)
  • 10-27-2012
    osokolo
    i think i will compromise and
    start racing on 24" wheels...

    it's about time i ditch my current bike, and go for lighter wheels with better acceleration...

    size really doesn't matter. i don't care what she said...

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iperov View Post
    20" for hard mountains, because easy get vertical hills on LIGHTEST wheel in the world, easy accelerating, 20" is tractor style accelerate: just push and feel power of accelerate.

    29" wheel is most heavy wheel. 29er hardtail bike weight more than my 26 full suspension LMAO.
    Weight on wheels collecting muscle power for unstoppable inertia driving, long accelerate, bad braking, best for long asphalt racing. XC 29er? ROFL, no thanks, in other life.

  • 10-27-2012
    steiny
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  • 10-27-2012
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iperov View Post
    20" for hard mountains, because easy get vertical hills on LIGHTEST wheel in the world, easy accelerating, 20" is tractor style accelerate: just push and feel power of accelerate.

    29" wheel is most heavy wheel. 29er hardtail bike weight more than my 26 full suspension LMAO.
    Weight on wheels collecting muscle power for unstoppable inertia driving, long accelerate, bad braking, best for long asphalt racing. XC 29er? ROFL, no thanks, in other life.

    :out::yikes:
  • 10-27-2012
    Hollyw00d
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by coopdad View Post
    Hollyw00d, have you tried a 650er? I am wondering if they would be a good scaled down 29 for short guys like us (I too am 5'7").

    Not yet.... I really wanna ride one.

    My paramedic partner is a Cat 1 roadie and he's recommended a 650 as well..

    My hesitation is that I don't want to "fall in love" with the 650 and then have to spend a bunch of money that I don't have..
  • 10-28-2012
    BlackCanoeDog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Why is it that the guys that believe size doesn't matter always have smaller ones?:skep:

    BTW, on a serious note, I hear plenty of guys that have 26" bikes out on the trails say their next bike will be a 29er but I have never heard a guy on a 29er say he wants a 26er.
    I wonder why that is?:thumbsup:

    Guy that owns the LBS (so pretty much has his choice lol) in my town rode 29 for 2 yrs, but past 2 seasons has gone back to 26.
    I think lots of people buy 29 because it's "the in thing" right now, they're just running with the herd.
  • 10-28-2012
    mountainbiker24
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Why is it that the guys that believe size doesn't matter always have smaller ones?:skep:

    BTW, on a serious note, I hear plenty of guys that have 26" bikes out on the trails say their next bike will be a 29er but I have never heard a guy on a 29er say he wants a 26er.
    I wonder why that is?:thumbsup:

    Because the people that you talk to apparently either don't ride trails that benefit from a 26" wheel or don't have a riding style that better uses the characteristics of a 26" wheel. People willing to try it in the first place probably knew what they were getting, and didn't use the 26" wheels to their advantage. That's just you, though.
  • 10-28-2012
    tryinghardrider
    My first thought upon seeing the thread title was about frame sizes.

    Turned out to be another 26 v 29 thread. Ho hum....

    26er HT rider here, and I absolutely have fun riding it. Have brought it to some gnarly trails where a FS would be the weapon of choice. However, I am looking to get a custom built steel 29er in late 2013 or early 2014. BUT my next bike is (I hope! I hope!) would be an AM 26er rig. :cool: The future 29er HT would be my XC ride, while the FS 6-inch travel 26er would be my AM weapon of choice.

    Either way, I'll be having fun on the trails.

    I know a guy who recently sold his less-than-year-old 26er and joined the 29er bandwagon. Hell, even added mudguards and upgraded the hell out of his brandnew 29er.

    He rides his brandnew 29er MTB mostly on road. Afraid to get it muddied up on the trails. Boo hoo. :rolleyes:
  • 10-28-2012
    wmac
    19" wheels are really fast!

  • 10-28-2012
    osokolo
    19"?? you gotta be kidding me...
    why would anyone use 19" wheels when 16.50B are available....

    you are not going to try to convince me that 19" wheels are going to be faster up the hard mountain than 16.50B???

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    19" wheels are really fast!


  • 10-28-2012
    tryinghardrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    why would anyone use 19" wheels when 16.50B are available....

    you are not going to try to convince me that 19" wheels are going to be faster up the hard mountain than 16.50B???

    Hey, that's entering jailbait territory already. :nono:

    :D
  • 10-29-2012
    zrm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FX4 View Post
    Fine let me revise that. When I'm riding smooth rolling trails vs steep downhill, techy rock gardens, cleaning trees, etc... XC less than all mountain.

    Around here we have a wide variety of trails, some of which have all the conditions you describe within a few miles. I just call it mountain biking.
  • 10-29-2012
    FX4
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Around here we have a wide variety of trails, some of which have all the conditions you describe within a few miles. I just call it mountain biking.

    Maybe you just like being argumentative, the OP asked a question I responded with my personal view on the subject. Wasn't looking to debate your version of mountain biking.
  • 10-29-2012
    Hollyw00d
    Today I was passed on a climb by a guy on a HT 29er... I was on my FS 26".

    He appeared to be having fun, I was definitely having fun..

    It would seem to me that both bikes are fun, just different strokes for different folks.
    :D
  • 10-29-2012
    LostBoyScout
    I have both. I think for the stuff I ride, the pros of the 26" wheels usually outweight the pros of the 29", but it can go either way. I guess for some areas the 29" wheels are the clear winner, but definitely not the case in the rooty, tight, steep and technical trails of the north shore. Also, not as much fun at the bike park, obviously.

    You could argue that the 26" wheels are simply more fun because the bike is more flickable and movable. But then you could argue that 29" wheels prevent frustration of getting hung up on roots trying to climb a technical section. Meh.
  • 10-29-2012
    Trail Ninja
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iperov View Post
    20" for hard mountains, because easy get vertical hills on LIGHTEST wheel in the world, easy accelerating, 20" is tractor style accelerate: just push and feel power of accelerate.

    29" wheel is most heavy wheel. 29er hardtail bike weight more than my 26 full suspension LMAO.
    Weight on wheels collecting muscle power for unstoppable inertia driving, long accelerate, bad braking, best for long asphalt racing. XC 29er? ROFL, no thanks, in other life.

    I gotta get a BMX! I'd love to be able to ride up a vertical hill. They call them cliffs where I come from.
  • 10-31-2012
    dwt
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  • 10-31-2012
    FX4
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Trail Ninja View Post
    I gotta get a BMX! I'd love to be able to ride up a vertical hill. They call them cliffs where I come from.

    Wasn't entertaining the nonsense but it can be done, used to do it when I was a teenager. A jump called the wall. Straight up twenty some odd feet. Wouldn't try it on a mountain bike of any wheel size but I'm sure some of the free ride guys could manage it.
  • 10-31-2012
    schlim
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lpranger467 View Post
    After Outerbike I will never own a 29 again, I rode a dozen high end bikes and kept going back to 26's. Its the only bike that made me laugh out loud while riding.

    I drove away from Outerbike with virtually the same feeling as you did. I rode as many 29ers as I could get my hands on, and nothing that I experienced justified the wholesale shift in the industry from the 26" to 29" chassis.

    Clearly, market demand is fueling the shift, but I think many 29er buyers are being sold a bill of goods. The larger wheel doesn't have any special magical properties that makes it faster or consume less watts, for racing or otherwise. It's just another type of bike with its own set of traits, and each of those bikes ride differently from one another.

    I owned and raced an Epic 29er this year and happily sold it at the end of the season with much relief. Hopefully its new owner feels faster or more stable or better able to roll over big rocks. I'll be on my new 24lb 26" full suspension bike, not missing the wagon wheels in the least.
  • 11-01-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by schlim View Post
    I drove away from Outerbike with virtually the same feeling as you did. I rode as many 29ers as I could get my hands on, and nothing that I experienced justified the wholesale shift in the industry from the 26" to 29" chassis.

    Clearly, market demand is fueling the shift, but I think many 29er buyers are being sold a bill of goods. The larger wheel doesn't have any special magical properties that makes it faster or consume less watts, for racing or otherwise. It's just another type of bike with its own set of traits, and each of those bikes ride differently from one another.

    I owned and raced an Epic 29er this year and happily sold it at the end of the season with much relief. Hopefully its new owner feels faster or more stable or better able to roll over big rocks. I'll be on my new 24lb 26" full suspension bike, not missing the wagon wheels in the least.

    I had the same feeling about my Epic 29r and sold it after a few months. I like my Blur enough not to feel the need for bigger wheels. Maybe the 650b will be different but I am not getting on that bandwagon as of yet.....;)
    IMHO, bigger isn't always better and everyone has to make up their own mind of what works for them and what doesn't let the market dictate what is "good" for you...YMMV
  • 11-01-2012
    Trail Ninja
    I'd be happy with a shift back to 26". I'm having a hard time finding a used 29er to replace the one I had stolen. It would be nice to see the market flooded with sub-$200 HT 29ers.
  • 11-02-2012
    Barheet
    There are pros and cons to each. I own both. I like both.
  • 11-02-2012
    tangaroo
    Someone needs to post a graph of how rolling resistance is inversely proportional to the fun factor. And my limited Calculus 3 experience tells me that the derivative of that graph would also tell us how we should all be on 23" wheels instead.... you know, cause the less proportional rolling mass.

    Dudes, its a bike. Ride it, if it isn't fun you aren't doing it right.
  • 11-02-2012
    howardyudoing
    I don't see how wheel size would be different on my stationary bike.
  • 11-02-2012
    RobinGB
    I just moved back to a full squish 26" a week ago.

    The reason i went a 29er to start with is i was basically having to re-learn how to ride anyways, so i had a blast monster trucking everything on my hardtail 29er. As i got faster and faster and started riding steeper terrain, i realized i really needed to get onto a full suspension if i wanted to get any faster. after trying a few 29er full sus demos and 6" travel AM 26ers i cam full circle.

    Reasons i switched back, is the trails in my area are fast, rough, tight and can be very technical.

    Things i do miss about the 29er,
    - i never got stuck in all the holes at the bottoms of steeps and short fast rolling humps.
    - monster trucking everything
    - how fast it rolls with only a little grade

    If i lived somewhere ells i may very well have stuck with the 29er though.

    Right bike, right rider, right trails. It all matters, tire size, geometry, bike fitting and sizing and colour (red ones go faster).


    and if i ever get tired of the 26er, i know i can switch over to a 650 wheelset. lol
  • 11-02-2012
    omegachicken
    I ride both. I prefer 29 for ssing, 26 for trail riding with at least a 5" bike.

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  • 11-04-2012
    iperov
    I carry all sizes for various types of terrain.