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    Do you know what chaps my hide?

    Parents that take their kids to the bike park on crappy Wal-Mart bikes. Putting a kid on a tank of a bike with horrible brakes is child abuse.

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    Do you know what chaps my hide?

    Or when people with luxury cars ride mongooses.

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    I congratulate any parent who takes a kid(s) to a bike park, no matter what kind of bike they have. Do the kids look miserable? Not likely. Perhaps you can start a 501(c)3 to provide nice, high-end bikes to kids whose parents shop at WalMart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Parents that take their kids to the bike park on crappy Wal-Mart bikes. Putting a kid on a tank of a bike with horrible brakes is child abuse.



    What a load of condescending crap. If it chaps you so much buy them a bike that doesn't offend your sensibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Parents that take their kids to the bike park on crappy Wal-Mart bikes. Putting a kid on a tank of a bike with horrible brakes is child abuse.
    Do you know what chaps my hide? Judgmental turd buckets like you that have nothing better to do than crap on somebody else's good time. You suck at life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrack-sam View Post
    Or when people with luxury cars ride mongooses.
    Same goes for you. Why do you care?

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    I am all for the idea that parents get their kids on bikes, be it roadies, XC, CX, mountain riding, whatever the heck they are in to. Would you prefer they buy them the latest x box, I pads, computers, fridge stocked with soda and crap food, and encourage lay about behavior? Not everyone has waste able income that they can pour into $1500 bikes, just so their kids can go on one ride, then decide they don't want to do it again.

    Ya know what chaps my hide? People who own $10000 bikes, and don't take the time to realize that their kids want to spend time with them!!!

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    Know what chaps my hide, assless chaps and posts like these.

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    Let's see if I can come up with a response that doesn't include name-calling...

    The only bikes I ever had up until I was 28 years old were Wal-Mart/Dept store bikes. Never gave any consideration to their weight or quality of components. It had 2 wheels and rolled, stopped, and shifted. It worked. When I got my first "real" bike I gained an appreciation for its light weight and quality parts. I learned the difference and why it mattered out on the trail. Someone that has only ever ridden quality stuff doesn't really have that appreciation because they don't know any different.

    A few weeks ago I saw a kid at the campground riding a Wal-mart bike that was way too big for him. The seat was slammed and he still had to bowleg to push down on the pedals. He rode that bike through the grass, rocky gravel, and sand like he was pretending to race motocross. If there was a spot that looked like he could jump, he would try to jump. He dumped it in the sand many times, but quickly hopped back on and took off to catch up to his imaginary racing buddies. Not once did he ever have that look like "man if only this bike was 10 pounds lighter, or if I had an XT derailler...". Also, he wasn't wearing any shoes (more child abuse!). This kid was passionate about riding something we would consider a POS. If a kid needs a $1500 starter bike to be passionate about cycling, then maybe it's not the right sport for them?

    Ya friggin arrogant d00cheburger!
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    Quote Originally Posted by elcaro1101 View Post
    Know what chaps my hide, assless chaps and posts like these.

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    Bummer. I thought this thread was going to be about salsa made in NYC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw2jr View Post
    Let's see if I can come up with a response that doesn't include name-calling...

    The only bikes I ever had up until I was 28 years old were Wal-Mart/Dept store bikes. Never gave any consideration to their weight or quality of components. It had 2 wheels and rolled, stopped, and shifted. It worked. When I got my first "real" bike I gained an appreciation for its light weight and quality parts. I learned the difference and why it mattered out on the trail. Someone that has only ever ridden quality stuff doesn't really have that appreciation because they don't know any different.

    A few weeks ago I saw a kid at the campground riding a Wal-mart bike that was way too big for him. The seat was slammed and he still had to bowleg to push down on the pedals. He rode that bike through the grass, rocky gravel, and sand like he was pretending to race motocross. If there was a spot that looked like he could jump, he would try to jump. He dumped it in the sand many times, but quickly hopped back on and took off to catch up to his imaginary racing buddies. Not once did he ever have that look like "man if only this bike was 10 pounds lighter, or if I had an XT derailler...". Also, he wasn't wearing any shoes (more child abuse!). This kid was passionate about riding something we would consider a POS. If a kid needs a $1500 starter bike to be passionate about cycling, then maybe it's not the right sport for them?

    Ya friggin arrogant d00cheburger!
    What he said.

    Anything that gets kids on bikes (or skateboards, hiking, really anything outdoors for that matter) is awesome. I'm certainly not going to drop $500+ every couple of years to make sure my daughter is on a brand name bike. Kids care more about color (in my case, it will undoubtedly be a long series of pink+purple bikes) and function. My mechanic skills are sufficient to make any crappy bike ride smoothly. Kids also lose interest in things overnight, so why drop the big bucks on something that collects dust after a couple of weeks?

    I also grew up on a series of department store bikes. Never slowed me down, and in the end made me really appreciate the Trek 930 I finally bought myself in college (20 years ago, but first 'real' MTB).

    Enough has been said about the OP's character, so I'll leave it at that.

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    "Chaps my hide" in title = do not click on thread. Most people in the thread seem to get it. I started on dept. store bikes too.

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    I grew up with crappy heavy bikes you bought at the local HW store or Western auto. Guess what, keeping those bikes working has made me a decent mechanic.

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    When I was a kid I would've been delirious to have any new bike. All our bikes and parts came from the city dump. Getting there and finding stuff was half the fun.
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    Here, get some of this; it's really good for chapped hide.






    Threads like this are so last week. So is this attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob View Post
    When I was a kid I would've been delirious to have any new bike. All our bikes and parts came from the city dump. Getting there and finding stuff was half the fun.
    Same here. I would go into Bradley's and stare at the bikes. Then it was off on junk day to collect parts from other peoples trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skullcap View Post
    Here, get some of this; it's really good for chapped hide.


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    Threads like this are so last week. So is this attitude.

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    A riding buddy of mine rides a Walmart bike every day. It must have 1500 miles on it now. It has never once had any maintenance. It may not work perfectly, but he still outrides most others with it day in and day out. Over the same time period, I have consumed big money in parts and am constantly doing maintenance.... and his bike is worth about as much as one of my spokes. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob View Post
    When I was a kid I would've been delirious to have any new bike. All our bikes and parts came from the city dump. Getting there and finding stuff was half the fun.
    +1 ^^^^ My first nice bike was from Montgomery Ward and you couldn't have seen a happier kid than me!

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    I watched the kid crash 4x in a row on a pump track because it was physically impossible for him to put his hands around the brake levers. I loosened the tension on the cable but it didn't matter, he didn't have the grip strength to even budge the levers. Proud mom was looking on and the kid was in tears!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hocky View Post
    A riding buddy of mine rides a Walmart bike every day. It must have 1500 miles on it now. It has never once had any maintenance. It may not work perfectly, but he still outrides most others with it day in and day out. Over the same time period, I have consumed big money in parts and am constantly doing maintenance.... and his bike is worth about as much as one of my spokes. lol
    I have been outridden by said guy on my 4 grand worth of Trek EX9. And I bet if we got him on a big dollar bike, he would really whoop my hind!!

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    A big, heavy bike really does make you fit!

    Quote Originally Posted by ryantrek View Post
    I have been outridden by said guy on my 4 grand worth of Trek EX9. And I bet if we got him on a big dollar bike, he would really whoop my hind!!

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    I have also seen the same parents strapping their kids into a K-Mart snowboard at Winter Park. Same type of abuse. The kid is setup to fail.

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    An adult male weights 160-180 on average. A full suspension Wal-Mart mountain bike weighs 40lbs. This is 25% of an adult's weight.

    A 7 year old kid weighs 45lbs. A kids full suspension Wal-mart mountain bike weighs 35lbs. This is 77% of a child's weight! Not the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hocky View Post
    A riding buddy of mine rides a Walmart bike every day. It must have 1500 miles on it now. It has never once had any maintenance. It may not work perfectly, but he still outrides most others with it day in and day out. Over the same time period, I have consumed big money in parts and am constantly doing maintenance.... and his bike is worth about as much as one of my spokes. lol

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    Stop posting and abandon the thread while you still can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I have also seen the same parents strapping their kids into a K-Mart snowboard at Winter Park. Same type of abuse. The kid is setup to fail.
    They sound like an active family. Mountain biking AND snowboarding. It's weird that you see them in so many places.

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    Sorry for irritating you. I will call my kids back inside and have them play video games until I can afford a nice bike for each of them. Might be a couple years, but hey, better than annoying you.

    Anything else you want me to stop doing, while we're at it?
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    I get what you're trying to say, I really do. However, I applaud the parents that want their children to be active, and give them the best opportunity that they can have to do so. If the kid is having fun, then that is what matters. It sounds like this opportunity you saw was a child not having fun. Maybe what chaps your hide is parents that try to live vicariously through their children's accomplishments by forcing them to do things that they can't or won't do. This is worth being angry about. If my daughter doesn't want to mountain bike with me when she grows up (she's only 11 months, so I've got a while) then I won't force her to do it as she cries her eyes out. If she wants to be a ballerina, I suppose I'll be sitting and watching her dance her little heart out. If she wants to play soft ball, I'll be on the sidelines yelling out every time she cracks the ball 2 feet, and I think baseball is boring to watch. All I ask as a parent is that my daughter not fall into the same sedentary life style I had. I'm finally off the couch, and doing something fun outdoors, and I love it. I wish I did it earlier.

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    No good Do you know what chaps my hide?

    ...when people start threads in Passion and want to rant. Does this make them passionate about ranting?

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    They could make a "Rant" forum, but I doubt it would take. Posting in the wrong forum is the way of walk around here

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    This still going??!? Amazing! Snowboards now too I see! Amazinger!!! I think the OP needs to try and drag himself back into the real world, seems he's been crawlin' round in those shadows too long!
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    No good

    the proper phrase is "chafes my hide," not "chaps..."

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    The OP was kinda joking but...
    ....in all seriousness, have you ever seen what happens when one of these $80 specials has a catastrophic failure? I'm not trying to be an ass, just pragmatic. Riding down the street or bikepath may be OK, but the bikepark/bmx track setting can get someone seriously hurt in a big hurry. I've seen it happen and it's not funny. As a reasonable alternative, most shops and craigslist have solid but outdated used stuff for the same price. FWIW, I also grew up literally with dump-diver specials and ride a modded Shop-Goose to this day. It ain' the $$ spent, but the quality/safety end that is the real problem.

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    Funny you say this I just tuned up a $200 walmart bike for a guy in Augusta Ga he rode it Minnesota!!!!!! Come to find out he is a millionaire! He just wants to prove that you dont have to have a 5k bike to ride across the country. So if he can do it any kid can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryang View Post
    The OP was kinda joking but...
    ....in all seriousness, have you ever seen what happens when one of these $80 specials has a catastrophic failure? I'm not trying to be an ass, just pragmatic. Riding down the street or bikepath may be OK, but the bikepark/bmx track setting can get someone seriously hurt in a big hurry. I've seen it happen and it's not funny. As a reasonable alternative, most shops and craigslist have solid but outdated used stuff for the same price. FWIW, I also grew up literally with dump-diver specials and ride a modded Shop-Goose to this day. It ain' the $$ spent, but the quality/safety end that is the real problem.




    Have you ever seen what happens when someones $5,000.00 wonder bike has a catastrophic failure? And Walmart's warranty is better too. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Have you ever seen what happens when someones $5,000.00 wonder bike has a catastrophic failure? And Walmart's warranty is better too. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmmmm.
    Yup, agreed for the most part. My point is that there is a happy medium somewhere in the middle, where the rest of us live. Ditto on the $200 WalGeese-most are fairly solid, just not hi-tech. My intent is aimed at the sub-$100 group, in which you can't get ANYTHING to work on 'em for more than an hour at a time. Not looking down on those folks, because I've been there and done that. Just saying that there's better places to buy if you have lo-cash.

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    I say live and let live. If the parents either don't have the means or the willingness to spend a bunch of cash on a bike who cares? They're riding bikes! Isn't that what's important? Elitism chaps my hide.

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    I love my old bikes, and my new bike! mission accomplished, I read the thread and replied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pnelson112 View Post
    Funny you say this I just tuned up a $200 walmart bike for a guy in Augusta Ga he rode it Minnesota!!!!!! Come to find out he is a millionaire! He just wants to prove that you dont have to have a 5k bike to ride across the country. So if he can do it any kid can.
    the guy doesnt know how to tune a bike and he is riding a Wallmart bike that far? hmmm. pass the salt.
    im glad the kids are riding bikes whatever they may be.
    i used to ride my cheap bmx with anywhere from 3 to 8 others around the local nieghborhood lake when i was in elementary school. i still ride around that lake today and i NEVER see any bike gangs like we had. thanks for the bike, dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I have also seen the same parents strapping their kids into a K-Mart snowboard at Winter Park. Same type of abuse. The kid is setup to fail.
    My God, you are so right, if you can't afford to buy your kid the expensive high dollar stuff, then sit at home and make him watch TV. [/sarcasm]

    I am going to guess you don't have any children which is probably why you keep perving other peoples children.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikingnerd View Post
    What he said.

    Anything that gets kids on bikes (or skateboards, hiking, really anything outdoors for that matter) is awesome. I'm certainly not going to drop $500+ every couple of years to make sure my daughter is on a brand name bike. Kids care more about color (in my case, it will undoubtedly be a long series of pink+purple bikes) and function. My mechanic skills are sufficient to make any crappy bike ride smoothly. Kids also lose interest in things overnight, so why drop the big bucks on something that collects dust after a couple of weeks?

    I also grew up on a series of department store bikes. Never slowed me down, and in the end made me really appreciate the Trek 930 I finally bought myself in college (20 years ago, but first 'real' MTB).

    Enough has been said about the OP's character, so I'll leave it at that.
    Maybe not skateboards.

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    Do you know what chaps my hide?

    My chaps don't hide much. I mean, everything sorta just hangs out if I don't wear something under them.
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    My kid learned how to ride on a Walmart bike last week........ Are you saying I would of been even prouder of her if I had spent $500 on a better bike?? Darn it!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakoGT View Post
    My kid learned how to ride on a Walmart bike last week........ Are you saying I would of been even prouder of her if I had spent $500 on a better bike?? Darn it!!!!
    yes, and you have to spend $500 every year as she outgrows her old bike.

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    This bike park is in Boulder, CO. It is in a very affluent area. Mother was wearing designer gear while her kids was repeatedly crashing on the pump track. He could not go more than a few feet because the brakes were horrendous. As a grown man, I could barely squeeze the brakes hard enough to make them contact the wheel.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlakoGT View Post
    My kid learned how to ride on a Walmart bike last week........ Are you saying I would of been even prouder of her if I had spent $500 on a better bike?? Darn it!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Parents that take their kids to the bike park on crappy Wal-Mart bikes. Putting a kid on a tank of a bike with horrible brakes is child abuse.
    If that chaps your hide, please do NOT take a very close look around you. If you do, I'm afraid your hide is gonna peel right off, and quickly, at that.

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    "hey son, you wanna play tackle football? I don't have money to buy you a football helmet, so here's a bandanna. just wrap that around your head and smash into some other grown men with it."

    "soccer cleats? those are too expensive for you, sweet daughter of mine. here are some flipflops. you will be just fine with these."

    working in a bike shop, so have seen too many of those junk bikes smashed and broken from "regular" use that I would be afraid to see what a kid at a bike park looks like after the ambulance comes for him when his fork snaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakoGT View Post
    My kid learned how to ride on a Walmart bike last week........ Are you saying I would of been even prouder of her if I had spent $500 on a better bike?? Darn it!!!!
    learning to pedal a bike in a straight line and stay upright and riding a BIKE PARK are two different things. would you send your kid out on a park with ramps, rollers, drops, ect on a tank bike with no brakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryang View Post
    ....in all seriousness, have you ever seen what happens when one of these $80 specials has a catastrophic failure? I'm not trying to be an ass, just pragmatic. Riding down the street or bikepath may be OK, but the bikepark/bmx track setting can get someone seriously hurt in a big hurry. I've seen it happen and it's not funny.
    I'm curious, how many Walmart bikes have you seen catastrophically fail under a kid? Not nitpicking, just curious -- I don't hang out at tracks that much, so maybe it is an issue I'm not aware of.

    I've seen plenty of higher end bikes broken on trails, BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    "hey son, you wanna play tackle football? I don't have money to buy you a football helmet, so here's a bandanna. just wrap that around your head and smash into some other grown men with it."

    "soccer cleats? those are too expensive for you, sweet daughter of mine. here are some flipflops. you will be just fine with these."

    working in a bike shop, so have seen too many of those junk bikes smashed and broken from "regular" use that I would be afraid to see what a kid at a bike park looks like after the ambulance comes for him when his fork snaps.
    Probably the same way I looked when I got up from the ground after I snapped the fork on my LBS bike that my parents bought me when I was younger. I rode off of a typical child built ramp at the end of my driveway and snapped the fork clean. Had a fantastic OTB right on my face. Back then, you didn't wear helmets unless you were on a motorcycle, so I landed face down on the concrete street.

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    A 3-page thread in a subforum labeled "Passion" and it's about "Hide-chapping?" Do folks really have that much of a "passion" about "chapped hides"?

    I got the impression that threads in "Passion" were to be mainly, if not exclusively, about positive-stoke-vibe-type topics. Several threads just recently have been deleted or removed from "Passion" exactly because they did not meet that criteria. How does this work?

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    Someone understands where I'm coming from. Google "Valmont Bike Park". That place is littered with the bodies of kids with poorly tuned bikes.

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    "hey son, you wanna play tackle football? I don't have money to buy you a football helmet, so here's a bandanna. just wrap that around your head and smash into some other grown men with it."

    "soccer cleats? those are too expensive for you, sweet daughter of mine. here are some flipflops. you will be just fine with these."

    working in a bike shop, so have seen too many of those junk bikes smashed and broken from "regular" use that I would be afraid to see what a kid at a bike park looks like after the ambulance comes for him when his fork snaps.

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    Funny thread, reminded me of when I was a kid and we built ramps to jump in the streets. One day I got a decent bike with v-brakes, and all of my friends who borrowed it went OTB just because the brakes were so powerfull. But falling down is part of bikes and will always be.

    High dollar bikes will never 100% prevent injuries. On the other hand, the kid in the pump track (not the same in downhill trail) with no brakes, with enough practice will develope great skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Someone understands where I'm coming from. Google "Valmont Bike Park". That place is littered with the bodies of kids with poorly tuned bikes.
    OK, I spent five minutes searching for injuries at Valmont and I couldn't find anything about Walgooses and injury. Evidently there's plenty of carnage due to lack of helmets and poorly tuned bikes but as far as I can tell it's not the price of the bike but the poor maintenance of the bikes that seems to be the problem. And remember, your original argument in the OP was that its the cheap bikes, not poorly tuned bikes, that chaps your hide.

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    Do you know what chaps my hide?

    Okay, I thought the OP's post was a bit elitist, but if this was Valmont Bike Park then he has a bit of a point.

    I agree with the other posters that applaud the parents for getting the kids out on bikes regardless of their capabilities, but Valmont is a fairly serious bike park. Some trails, like The Glades, will be fine for Walmart bikes, but hitting the pump tracks or the jumps could lead to very serious injuries without the right equipment and know how.

    I know one person who broke his neck there. Not a place to be taken lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    This bike park is in Boulder, CO. It is in a very affluent area. Mother was wearing designer gear while her kids was repeatedly crashing on the pump track. He could not go more than a few feet because the brakes were horrendous. As a grown man, I could barely squeeze the brakes hard enough to make them contact the wheel.
    I met an adult who rode a Walmart bike on the trails for years with no issues other than not being able to withhold his smile.
    I live in Western NC near Pisgah. The trails here are rocky, rooty and technical.

    It sounds to me like the bike was poorly maintained.
    Probably left outside by the kid.
    Why should the parents spend a lot of money on a bike that is going to be left outside in the rain and quickly outgrown?

    BTW, if you poorly maintain a high dollar bike and leave it out in the rain, the components like brakes won't work right on it either.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Rubbish.

    A person can break their neck walking out the front door, for a myriad of other reasons in much safer places.

    I saw two 14 year old-ish kids at Angelfire Last summer, on Wal-Gooses. Full face helmets, full pads, and big smiles on multiple runs. Bikes seemed to be holding up pretty well for them, and that terrain is 10x more rugged than Valmont.

    I'm sure, as they watched other bikes being loaded on the lifts, they understood they weren't on the best bikes in the world. But the Wal-gooses gave them a taste, and I would bet they're both saving for their next NON wal-goose bikes.
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    There are many products these days that will help you from chapping your hide: DZ Nutz, Bag Balm, Chammy Butt'r - or whatever they call it - etc., lube up your hole and cheeks really good and you are less likely to be chapped. Give it a shot...

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    you can put vasoline on your hide. it should make it softer.

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    that escalated quickly.

    Don't see why it's in the passion area though. . . Are you passionate about kids riding walgoo


    Quote Originally Posted by rotten1 View Post
    There are many products these days that will help you from chapping your hide: DZ Nutz, Bag Balm, Chammy Butt'r - or whatever they call it - etc., lube up your hole and cheeks really good and you are less likely to be chapped. Give it a shot...
    And this made me laugh so hard, but bag balm is the best!

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