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    read this. enjoy the photo of the injured perp:

    Keith Kirk, accused bike thief, gets 'street justice,' bloody beatdown

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    That just might qualify as a deterrent

    Can't say I wouldn't do the same!
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    Grand theft for a $600 bike? I thought it had to be over $2000?

    Anyway, looks like he got hit my a truck!

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    HAHAHA the thief deserved everything he got, well done for the cops by not arresting the bike owner, this is true justice, pity his hands wernt 'accidently' chopped off too, thats known to put a stop to future thieving....
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    Good for the bike owner, good for the cops. Guy got exactly what he deserved, and the bike owner gets my and a lot of other peoples respect. Great job.

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    My wife and I laughed our asses off at the pic of the thief..
    A couple years ago, in Orlando, some dirtbag broke into our truck and got my backpack. We saw all sorts of begging and scamming.
    Glad this one played out just like it did.

    BTW, anyone ever use a lock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    HAHAHA the thief deserved everything he got, well done for the cops by not arresting the bike owner, this is true justice, pity his hands wernt 'accidently' chopped off too, thats known to put a stop to future thieving....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    HAHAHA the thief deserved everything he got, well done for the cops by not arresting the bike owner, this is true justice, pity his hands wernt 'accidently' chopped off too, thats known to put a stop to future thieving....
    Yeah, the more we're like Saudi Arabia the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Yeah, the more we're like Saudi Arabia the better.

    Maybe we should incorporate stoning?

    Believe me, I am no friend to any thief but somehow I can't get off on seeing a pathetic loser beaten to a bloody pulp.

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    Rarely do these cases turn out well even for the "victim". Perp got tuned up, bike owner served him justice and isn't getting prosecuted. Awesome. Fawk this scumbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Maybe we should incorporate stoning?

    Believe me, I am no friend to any thief but somehow I can't get off on seeing a pathetic loser beaten to a bloody pulp.
    Agreed. Sad that the bike's owner felt it was a good time to take out pent up frustration (whether simply because his bike was stolen or something else going on in his life) to on the scummy guy.

    If there is a silver-lining, I will bet the criminal won't steal a bike again!
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    What happened to that guys face!? Justice happened to his face...
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    He looks drug addicted. I'm no bike thief fan but I"m beating this guy has been beat in the past--probably in his family of origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Maybe we should incorporate stoning?

    Believe me, I am no friend to any thief but somehow I can't get off on seeing a pathetic loser beaten to a bloody pulp.

    I will agree.

    The beating does seem a bit excessive for retrieving a bike but I wasn't there to see why the beating was excessive. Maybe the crook fought back trying keep the stolen bike forcing the owner to beat him down more.
    Or maybe the owner was just so pissed that he lost it (and I can't really blame him either).

    I can't get off on seeing the guy beaten to a bloody pulp, but I also can't feel sorry for him. If he would have left his hands off of other peoples property, he would have never had his ass beat.

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    You know how you can avoid getting your bike stolen while you shop at the Food Mart?

    Try locking your bike before you go inside.

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    i can most definitely and will get off to seeing this guy beat to a bloody pulp. there it goes, all over the keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alberto_ View Post
    Rarely do these cases turn out well even for the "victim". Perp got tuned up, bike owner served him justice and isn't getting prosecuted. Awesome. Fawk this scumbag.
    Its actually a fairly common occurrence here in Florida, just most dont make national news.

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    Glad the guy got his bike back. Maybe more people will think before stealing a bike from someone.

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    Glad to see the owner of the bike detained the thief. Having said that, the owner farked up royally from the begining. He left his bike unattended and unlocked while he went into a store. Thats like dangling a big wad of cash infront of a thief, they are going to take it no matter what, and it if wasn't that thief it would of been a different thief. Then he catches up to the thief and detains him, thats great but he took out his own fark up on the thief, which imm is totally worng. It was the owners fault in the begining, seeing him walk off with no penalties proves you can spit on the law and suffer no repercussion, how often have you seen perps beaten up by police after they have been detained....

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    yeah, bike thieves really let locks get in their way.. and it wasn't the owners fault, the guy who got his ass beat was the one who made the conscious decision to steal the bike and thus his actions were met with a reaction that i'm sure anyone else would have duplicated
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    yeah, bike thieves really let locks get in their way
    In this case it would of. employees of the food mart where he was at noticed him keeping a close watch of his bike, if he noticed someone there he would of been there on top of him in seconds, some locks take more than seconds to cut through, plus not every thief carries bolt cutters with them. You need a deterrent no matter what. The bike owner stuffed up no matter which way you look at it, he put himself in that situation.

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    unless i'm reading the posted story wrong, there is nothing that says whether or not if the bike was locked up or not so from what the letters on the computer screen that i'm reading your comment has no backing. regardless, it wasn't the owners fault, the guy who got his ass beat was the one who made the conscious decision to steal the bike and thus his actions were met with a reaction that i'm sure anyone else would have duplicated
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    Well if it was locked id back him to chase him down and do whatever he can to detain the perp, but I seriously doubt it was locked. There was no mention of the bike being locked, police report says he "took" the bike, it's safe to assume it wasn't locked. If it was locked that would of been something that was echoed in the report or in the news item to have more leniency for the victim.

    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    the guy who got his ass beat was the one who made the conscious decision to steal the bike and thus his actions were met with a reaction that i'm sure anyone else would have duplicated

    Some people obviously aren't from this planet or they live under a rock, but the planet I"m from (Earth) there are people among us that are labelled "thieves". They have been with us from the start and will be to the end. It's not a new phenomenon. It's like leaving your car in a shopping complex carpark, leaving the windows down, door unlocked and keys in the ignition, who in their right mind would do that?

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    did you read the police report or just what was written in the news article? if you have i would like to read it too ...assumption is the mother of all fuk ups
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    It's like leaving your car in a shopping complex carpark, leaving the windows down, door unlocked and keys in the ignition, who in their right mind would do that?

    someone with a Jeep Wrangler with the top off, trans am or camaro with T-tops off, someone in a convertible? poor analogy
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    You really don't have to read the report to know it wasn't locked, try disecting what the news says. They mention he was keeping a close eye on his bike while in the shop, that would indicate to me he was jittery and nervous, why the fark would you feel like that if your bike was locked with a decent lock? To me it just does not make sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    someone with a Jeep Wrangler with the top off, trans am or camaro with T-tops off, someone in a convertible? poor analogy
    OK, and how many do you see with keys in the ignition and without insurance?

    I'm done playing games until you comeback with something concrete.

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    " OK, and how many do you see with keys in the ignition and without insurance? "

    here in california? that's a dumb question! lol


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    Saying it is the owners fault is just like saying it is a rape victims fault she got raped.

    Now, that being said, the owner was a dumb ass for not locking the bike up but last time I checked, it isn't illegal to be a dumb ass in this country.

    And yes, locked up bikes get stolen all the time but it is less likely and I would bet a lock would have stopped this guy.

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    A bike is just a thing, and while I would hate to have any of mine stolen (for the record, I have had one stolen), I sure don't see how it would say anything positive to my humanity if I beat someone because they took it. Stealing a bike is not cool, but try to be human about this situation.

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    per Post #26, the ones at fault are the employees who saw the suspicious suspect outside lurking around and did nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogerfromco View Post
    Grand theft for a $600 bike? I thought it had to be over $2000?

    Anyway, looks like he got hit my a truck!
    Depending on state, which vary from each, but typically when you break the 500 dollar mark, your looking at felony charges, not necessarily grand theft, but still looking at a F5 or F6 felony. F6 being the less punishable of felonies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    someone with a Jeep Wrangler with the top off, trans am or camaro with T-tops off, someone in a convertible? poor analogy
    I have witenessed this, guy had a jeep with the top off, keys hanging on the driver ride roll bar in plain sight, and a big ass mean dog watching the truck while the owner was shopping for food. He was just like tempting some dumbass to try to steal his jeep, saw in Centennial, Colorado a number of years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    per Post #26, the ones at fault are the employees who saw the suspicious suspect outside lurking around and did nothing

    Next I guess we will blame the system that created the thief. I mean the guy is possibly a drug addict, maybe jobless and most likely lacks a decent education because the system failed him.

    The "fault" only lays on the shoulders of the thief not the employees.
    It was no more the responsibility of the employees to notice that the bike was being stolen and do something than it was responsibility of the owner to lock the bike up.

    The owner acted irresponsibly by not locking the bike up when it was out of his sight.
    The employees if they actually noticed it was being stolen and did or said nothing may have acted dishonorably. If they did notice it, the only thing they could do is tell the owner and they may not have known who or where he was.
    However, the fault solely lies on the shoulders of the thief who should have never touched something that didn't belong to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I will agree.

    The beating does seem a bit excessive for retrieving a bike but I wasn't there to see why the beating was excessive. Maybe the crook fought back trying keep the stolen bike forcing the owner to beat him down more.
    Or maybe the owner was just so pissed that he lost it (and I can't really blame him either).

    I can't get off on seeing the guy beaten to a bloody pulp, but I also can't feel sorry for him. If he would have left his hands off of other peoples property, he would have never had his ass beat.
    The beating doesnt look at all excessive to me, you can still see both of his eyes, his jaw still looks in place, he has no teeth through his face, and i presume most of his teeth are still there, what goes around comes around.

    If either of our countries had policies like Saudi Arabia for being caught in the act of stealing, the thieving would halve in a month.
    Im not advocating stoning to death, but i think the removal of your left hand on your second offence and your right hand on your third would have a profound effect on crime.

    yes give everybody one chance, but for serial offenders its pretty hard to steal with no hands..

    Our society is too soft..

    If you beat a woman, you should be beaten till you pass out or worse.
    If you mess with kids you should be castrated and burnt at the stake or put to death
    If you steal you should lose your hands.
    Its as simple as that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    per Post #26, the ones at fault are the employees who saw the suspicious suspect outside lurking around and did nothing
    Please..........really........you takin da piss....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    The beating doesnt look at all excessive to me, you can still see both of his eyes, his jaw still looks in place, he has no teeth through his face, and i presume most of his teeth are still there, what goes around comes around.

    If either of our countries had policies like Saudi Arabia for being caught in the act of stealing, the thieving would halve in a month.
    Im not advocating stoning to death, but i think the removal of your left hand on your second offence and your right hand on your third would have a profound effect on crime.

    yes give everybody one chance, but for serial offenders its pretty hard to steal with no hands..

    Our society is too soft..

    If you beat a woman, you should be beaten till you pass out or worse.
    If you mess with kids you should be castrated and burnt at the stake or put to death
    If you steal you should lose your hands.
    Its as simple as that...

    Harsh, no i dont think so....
    I will disagree

    Although steeling is never right you need to walk a mile in a mans shoes before you judge.

    I would bet that if you lost your job and had exasperated every honest possibility to feed your family and couldn't even afford a bag of rice, even you would 5 finger discount a little food. Although it is still wrong, does that guy deserve to have his hands removed further ruining any chances to get a job and earn an honest living?

    We can assume this guy was probably stealing the bike only to get his next fix but even still, you assume there is no chance for rehabilitation.

    I have been on both sides of the law myself and although I would never commit a crime ever again, barbaric punishments may have prohibited me from becoming the person I am now. Since then, I have volunteered working with troubled youth in the past and have seen some where you never thought they would be more than a 2 bit thug become well educated productive members of society. Some of those kids wouldn't have any hands under your system.

    It is easier for people to sit back and say we should be more harsh than it is for them to actually go out and positively affect the situations in this world.

    BTW, I bet nobody here if they really thought about it couldn't honestly say they never stole anything ever in their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I will disagree

    Although steeling is never right you need to walk a mile in a mans shoes before you judge.

    I would bet that if you lost your job and had exasperated every honest possibility to feed your family and couldn't even afford a bag of rice, even you would 5 finger discount a little food. Although it is still wrong, does that guy deserve to have his hands removed further ruining any chances to get a job and earn an honest living?

    We can assume this guy was probably stealing the bike only to get his next fix but even still, you assume there is no chance for rehabilitation.

    I have been on both sides of the law myself and although I would never commit a crime ever again, barbaric punishments may have prohibited me from becoming the person I am now. Since then, I have volunteered working with troubled youth in the past and have seen some where you never thought they would be more than a 2 bit thug become well educated productive members of society. Some of those kids wouldn't have any hands under your system.

    It is easier for people to sit back and say we should be more harsh than it is for them to actually go out and positively affect the situations in this world.

    BTW, I bet nobody here if they really thought about it couldn't honestly say they never stole anything ever in their life.
    I respect and understand your point of view, it has many valid arguments, but dont think you not talking to somebody that hasnt walked both sides of the fence..
    I have no shame in saying i was a meth and grass addict for 20 years, thats basically my whole adult life, although i still functioned well enough to hold down a job as a horticulturist and fisherman, i often had no food and money left over to feed myself after indulging in my habits, that was no body else fault than my own, i take full 100% responsability for my selfish addiction..
    In that 20 years i never stole a single thing, i never hurt anybody bar myself ,and indirectly the people that loved me, and in my 20 year haze that is my biggest regret and i can never do enough to repair that but thats not what we are talking about.
    After i beat my addictions I worked at night here in Kings Cross where i live at night, looking after drug addicts and homeless street kids and adults on top of my day job..
    So its safe to say im no armchair critic..
    You know what makes a difference, its tough love, I admit people stealing food to feed their kids is not in the league of the punishments im talking about, but people stealing big item tickets to feed their selfish drug addictions is exactly what im talking about above, and seeing i was there for 20 solid years, i think its fair for me to comment on the issue, cheers mate.....
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    Well, anyone can comment even if they have no idea what it is like to be on the other side of the fence.

    The question is were does the barbarianism stop?
    Who gets to make the decision on what type of theft loses a limb?
    Many people feel the same about drug addicts as you do about thieves.
    Maybe some people believe that drug addicts are just a drain on society and since they are killing themselves anyways we should just end it for them so society doesn't have to take care of them. What about all the other crimes meth heads commit? Since there is too much of chance that they may commit murder, we should kill them all.
    Sure, you may not do it anymore but we all know that you could be just one bad moment away from getting hooked again. We can't take that chance so we need to end your life too. (I don't really feel that way but you see where barbarianism can lead).

    I despise a thief too (well, not so much the thief but the crime) and feel they should be punished. Limb removal is a bit excessive though. As far as the beating this guy endured, I don't want to say he deserved it, but he did ask for it. So like I said before, I get no enjoyment from seeing it but I don't feel sorry for him either.

    On a side note, good job on cleaning up your life. I know it was hard you deserve to be commended for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Well, anyone can comment even if they have no idea what it is like to be on the other side of the fence.

    The question is were does the barbarianism stop?
    Who gets to make the decision on what type of theft loses a limb?
    Many people feel the same about drug addicts as you do about thieves.
    Maybe some people believe that drug addicts are just a drain on society and since they are killing themselves anyways we should just end it for them so society doesn't have to take care of them. What about all the other crimes meth heads commit? Since there is too much of chance that they may commit murder, we should kill them all.
    Sure, you may not do it anymore but we all know that you could be just one bad moment away from getting hooked again. We can't take that chance so we need to end your life too. (I don't really feel that way but you see where barbarianism can lead).

    I despise a thief too (well, not so much the thief but the crime) and feel they should be punished. Limb removal is a bit excessive though. As far as the beating this guy endured, I don't want to say he deserved it, but he did ask for it. So like I said before, I get no enjoyment from seeing it but I don't feel sorry for him either.

    On a side note, good job on cleaning up your life. I know it was hard you deserve to be commended for it.
    Fair call mate, im not going to argue any of your points, they are very valid and i can see the angle your coming from.
    I dont know the answer, there are so many different levels of crime, so many reasons why people do it.
    There are so many types of drug addicts, some meth addicts inject and every minute of the day they are consumed buy their habit and sell their soul for it, some like i was still held down a job and hid it the best i could, i never injected as i had other means of consumption and i know many like myself that could still somewhat function and have a life, but at the end of the day i was still a slave to it to a big degree..
    I really dont have an answer to this, i will go back to the drawing board and have a think about what youve said as they are very valid points.
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    For the record though, I do think castrating then burning people who molest children is a good idea. No punishment is too harsh for somebody like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coopdad View Post

    If there is a silver-lining, I will bet the criminal won't steal a bike again!
    Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it.

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    One thing that could have avoided the whole fiasco-

    If you find yourself at a convenience store with no lock just open the rear wheel QR. If someone tries to ride off their first pedal stroke will result in a painful and embarrassing crash. I found out the hard way how well this works when I forgot to undo my "trap" one time.

    Admittedly it only works with horizontal dropouts but I find it a simple and elegant solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    I found out the hard way how well this works when I forgot to undo my "trap" one time.
    That would probably happen to me every single time.

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    First, this thread needs to be a sticky.

    My humble opinion is that justice was served exactly as it should have been. No need for cutting off hands or breaking thumbs or stoning and certainly no need for analyzing and forgiving, that can come later.
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    It's funny getting hate comments (via rep) because I actually talked some sense.
    A lot of you seem to think we live in a fairytale, you people have no idea whats going on in the world. Thieves are here to stay, nothing you can do about that, but you can do something about being complacent. It was his fault his bike got stolen, had he had a lock, this thread would not exist, I think that statement cements my point.
    He put himself in that situation, not you or I, it was him. Not thinking about bike security is irresponsible, sometimes thats what it takes for people to wake up and realise that they live on planet Earth, where thieves do exist.
    You can go on daydreaming on ways to punish thieves, then come back to reality and realise nothing will be done about it, focus on prevention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    It's funny getting hate comments (via rep) because I actually talked some sense.
    A lot of you seem to think we live in a fairytale, you people have no idea whats going on in the world. Thieves are here to stay, nothing you can do about that, but you can do something about being complacent. It was his fault his bike got stolen, had he had a lock, this thread would not exist, I think that statement cements my point.
    He put himself in that situation, not you or I, it was him. Not thinking about bike security is irresponsible, sometimes thats what it takes for people to wake up and realise that they live on planet Earth, where thieves do exist.
    You can go on daydreaming on ways to punish thieves, then come back to reality and realise nothing will be done about it, focus on prevention.
    It's the card we've been dealt, deal with it!
    First off, people who give bad rep for an opinion just because they don't agree with it are kind of childish morons especially when they don't have the balls to sign it and they almost never have the balls.

    That being said, you are mistaking fault with responsibility.
    It wasn't his fault that somebody tried to steal it however, it was his responsibility to reasonably secure the bike. His irresponsibility created a situation where a thief could more easily steal his bike. However, the fault still solely lies on the thief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    It's funny getting hate comments (via rep) because I actually talked some sense.
    A lot of you seem to think we live in a fairytale, you people have no idea whats going on in the world. Thieves are here to stay, nothing you can do about that, but you can do something about being complacent. It was his fault his bike got stolen, had he had a lock, this thread would not exist, I think that statement cements my point.
    He put himself in that situation, not you or I, it was him. Not thinking about bike security is irresponsible, sometimes thats what it takes for people to wake up and realise that they live on planet Earth, where thieves do exist.
    You can go on daydreaming on ways to punish thieves, then come back to reality and realise nothing will be done about it, focus on prevention.
    It's the card we've been dealt, deal with it!
    if the victim of the theft had locked his bike...and the thief had broken it anyway...that's all the more reason for a sound thrashing.

    the thief put himself in a position to be thumped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Glad to see the owner of the bike detained the thief. Having said that, the owner farked up royally from the begining. He left his bike unattended and unlocked while he went into a store. Thats like dangling a big wad of cash infront of a thief, they are going to take it no matter what, and it if wasn't that thief it would of been a different thief. Then he catches up to the thief and detains him, thats great but he took out his own fark up on the thief, which imm is totally worng. It was the owners fault in the begining, seeing him walk off with no penalties proves you can spit on the law and suffer no repercussion, how often have you seen perps beaten up by police after they have been detained....
    please tell me you are fucking kidding me?

    A person should be able to leave their property unattended, and think that it should be there when they get back. That sh!t that you said is basically saying it's OK to steal stuff, wise up mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    ...You can go on daydreaming on ways to punish thieves, then come back to reality and realise nothing will be done about it, focus on prevention.
    It's the card we've been dealt, deal with it!
    Not true, it's much cheaper to lock up thieves and keep them out of society, petty criminals steal ~$100K per year, it only costs $25k to jail them. You seem to be blaming the victim, he has every right to park his bike and expect it to be there when he returns. The thief will think twice before stealing another bike, the near-victim did the world a favor. Sounds as if the judge is going to add a little more misery for the thief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg71 View Post

    A person should be able to leave their property unattended, and think that it should be there when they get back. That sh!t that you said is basically saying it's OK to steal stuff, wise up mate.
    I agree. You should be able to leave property unattended and not have to worry about someone taking it and there are probably places where you can do so- Mayberry circa 1959 would be one such place. In reality, you can't. I don't think anyone would leave a wallet on the ground in front of a convenience store and expect it to be there when they got back. Bicycles are one of those items that are a known criminal target. You can fight this reality by nervously watching your bike, chasing down thugs and kicking their asses or you can lock it up and relax. The reed or the oak- your choice.

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    The reed or the oak- your choice.
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    For the record though, I do think castrating then burning people who molest children is a good idea. No punishment is too harsh for somebody like that.
    Get all sharia on his ass...?

    Then the DNA evidence comes out and someone needs a transplant.

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    Thieves do not need to be understood, they need a beating. Bike thieves need a beating X 2..
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    when will you be featured on Doomsday Preppers SV11?
    I know when I will be on there, as soon as they quit being such moderate pansies and really start laying up the ammo! Those guys are all amatures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg71 View Post
    please tell me you are fucking kidding me?

    A person should be able to leave their property unattended, and think that it should be there when they get back. That sh!t that you said is basically saying it's OK to steal stuff, wise up mate.
    In a perfect world, yes, but this isnt the world we live in, it's obvious you are not from this planet, leave your **** unattended, please do and see what happens.Your a classic example of living in a fairytale!
    There is a reason why we buy bike locks, car alarms, house alarms, locks on windows, car/home insurance etc etc. I bet my bottom dollar you have one or more of those security items, and you know exactly the reason why we have them.

    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    First off, people who give bad rep for an opinion just because they don't agree with it are kind of childish morons especially when they don't have the balls to sign it and they almost never have the balls..
    Exactly, it's not the first time either, the gutless farkers don't realise it's your opinion, you can disagree with it but it's still my opinion, and respect it. The morons think they have the last say by abusing the rep system.
    But, heres the disturbing part, I know who they are from.
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    The morons think they have the last say by abusing the rep system.
    But, heres the disturbing part, I know who they are from
    welcome to the big wide world of the internet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    In a perfect world, yes, but this isnt the world we live in, it's obvious you are not from this planet, leave your **** unattended, please do and see what happens.Your a classic example of living in a fairytale!
    Welcome to my fairytale;
    • -my bike is rarely locked, only if it will be left for more than say 4 hrs
    • -where I park it when at the shops, I cant see it
    • -I have no bike insurance
    • -the house is seldom locked
    • -the car is never locked
    • -my 2 young kids ride to school by themselves, ~3kms
    • -if my wallet was on the ground, it might not be there when I get back, but I know I will get it back


    As far as house & car insurance goes, of course we need them, we have invested heavily in both and a fire/accident/mother nature can destroy these quite quickly, then we are out of pocket. I think the last break in here happened about 2yrs ago, dude came home a 'little' drunk, went to the wrong house, passed out on couch.

    Your planet sounds like it sucks, maybe a few "beat downs" will help steer your planet in the correct direction
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskywolf View Post
    Internet forums are serious business.
    no $H!*! they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true! i know because i read it on the internet
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg71 View Post
    Welcome to my fairytale;
    • -my bike is rarely locked, only if it will be left for more than say 4 hrs
    • -where I park it when at the shops, I cant see it
    • -I have no bike insurance
    • -the house is seldom locked
    • -the car is never locked
    • -my 2 young kids ride to school by themselves, ~3kms
    • -if my wallet was on the ground, it might not be there when I get back, but I know I will get it back


    As far as house & car insurance goes, of course we need them, we have invested heavily in both and a fire/accident/mother nature can destroy these quite quickly, then we are out of pocket. I think the last break in here happened about 2yrs ago, dude came home a 'little' drunk, went to the wrong house, passed out on couch.

    Your planet sounds like it sucks, maybe a few "beat downs" will help steer your planet in the correct direction
    That does not apply if you live in a city or suburbs. Living out in the sticks, outback, country or whatever you want to call it, you can afford to be more complacent, but most of us reside in the city or populated areas, thieves reside and work in areas where there are lot of opportunies and morons to take advantage of, hence why they are successful.

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    i am proud to have initiated a post which has ignited such um, passion.

    regardless of where you are, who you are or what the social mores are where you live...if you take something which does not belong to you without the owner's permission, one assumes the risk of whatever happens to you in the future, up to and including severe beating/death/arrest.

    if i leave my unlocked, unattended property in front of my house and somebody steals it, that's my fault for being a mindless lummox. but once again, the person who unlawfully takes possession of said property assumes the risk of severe beating/death/arrest.

    we live on a savage planet in savage times. this means that sometimes people who commit crimes against others are going to be punished beyond the limits of our legal system. i do not support behavior like this becoming the norm in my community or anywhere else...but there are times that i'm going to give tacit approval to a beat down where a beat down is deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    thieves reside and work in areas where there are lot of opportunies(< spelled that wrong) and morons to take advantage of, hence why they are successful.
    this isn't the face of a success, it's the face of failure,

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    SV11 if you believe that its ok to just take advantage of a situation irrelevant of morals as long as its to your advantage with no empathy to the victim then that qualifies you as a clinical psychopath. Try the Hares psychopathy checklist on yourself it may prove useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moofish View Post
    SV11 if you believe that its ok to just take advantage of a situation irrelevant of morals as long as its to your advantage with no empathy to the victim then that qualifies you as a clinical psychopath. Try the Hares psychopathy checklist on yourself it may prove useful.
    Ofcourse it's not, I have never said that it was ok, and I can see a lot of readers have misinterpreted my posts. Do you honestly think thieves give a fark about morals, or your situation, ofcourse not. The only way to beat a thief is to think like one. You can sit here discussing a cure, the fact is there is no cure, just like aids, but you can prevent it from happening in nearly all cases. Prevention trumps cure.
    It would make more sense if you think of thieves as aids, there is no cure.

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    Theres a difference between saying the bike owner could have prevented the theft and saying it was his fault. He may have been naiive thinking it wouldnt get stolen but the thief is the one that made an immoral choice not the owner. A couple of black eyes and a few stitches are no more than most of us have done to ourselves riding. If he was permanently disabled or killed it would have been too much but in my opinion he got what he deserved. With all the inconvenience of the court system the owner probably got what he deserved, a little inconvenience for being stupid.

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    "It would make more sense if you think of thieves as aids, there is no cure."

    using that logic, we would kill the virus everywhere we see it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzlyplumber View Post
    First, this thread needs to be a sticky.

    My humble opinion is that justice was served exactly as it should have been. No need for cutting off hands or breaking thumbs or stoning and certainly no need for analyzing and forgiving, that can come later.
    ^ this. Guy got caught stealing and got a decent beating for it, then got arrested. Other guy got his bike back. Happy ending all the way round, no need for harsher beatings or blaming the dude that got his bike pinched. All good, happy days.

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    I think that while the guy deserved it, there's nothing cool about beating a guy up no matter what he did. Cheering a guy getting beat up isn't any better than cheering that a bike got stolen, regardless of whether it was an action or reaction. I give a big (non-broken) thumbs down to this thread, and I'm pretty bummed it's not a more popular opinion around here (kudos to those who do feel the same way, though).

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    yeah, because if you just slap him on the wrist and say, " now don't do that again" they will fully understand the repercussions for their actions and what could happen if they choose to do it again... much like what's wrong with kids these days, not enough Red Forman's putting boots in their azz'es ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    yeah, because if you just slap him on the wrist and say, " now don't do that again" they will fully understand the repercussions for their actions and what could happen if they choose to do it again... much like what's wrong with kids these days, not enough Red Forman's putting boots in their azz'es ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    I think that while the guy deserved it, there's nothing cool about beating a guy up no matter what he did. Cheering a guy getting beat up isn't any better than cheering that a bike got stolen, regardless of whether it was an action or reaction. I give a big (non-broken) thumbs down to this thread, and I'm pretty bummed it's not a more popular opinion around here (kudos to those who do feel the same way, though).
    Whether you like or accept it or not, human males have been fighting, punching on and dishing out punishment since the dawn of time, humans not only have the ability to talk and reason but also dish out punishment and fight.
    Yes its not the best way to deal with things in most occasions but in ones like this its a perfect way to deal with it and in my opinion very ethical and justified..
    If you think that its wrong to watch men fight and enjoy it your dreaming.
    We love our UFC and boxing here infact UFC sells out in 1 hour, i adore it and derive a great deal of pleasure watching it.
    Some men have an instinct to fight and enjoy it, i put myself in that group, i dont chose to like it i just do ever since i was a child, its called testosterone, and its a part of life for a big part of the male population the world over, always has been always will be..
    You cant expect every one to share your opinion on this.
    If a dude steals a bike and got beat up like he did here i think its great, id either be the one beatin him up or very much enjoying the spectacle....
    He got what he deserved and in my opinion deserved more than he got...
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    I'm agreeing with both sides of the argument... MAYBE the beating was a little harsh... BUT...
    About 20 years ago, I had a diesel generator shop in a BAD neighborhood on Long Island. One evening, a guy wandered in claiming he had just been released from jail and wanted to know if I had a job for him. I did not. Then he asked for 20 dollars for food. I reluctantly gave him ten and sent him on his way. now, for the next four or five days, he was around. I knew I made a mistake.
    One evening, I hear a ruckus in my lobby. I run out to find the guys who rented the front shop from me for an auto repair business beating the **** out of the guy. They caught him breaking into customer's cars stealing stuff. He NEVER came back.
    So, if the bike owner yanked him off the bike and let him go? He'll do it again. Will he do it again now? I bet no.
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    Beating up a thief because he stole your bike, will not discourage the thief not to steal again, it just doesn't work that way. If it did, I"d be on the bandwagon.
    A good example is capital punishment in the US. Capital punishment was introduced in 1968, so you would expect in future years crime would be less. It's the opposite, it has been rising. In 1968, 517 inmates were on death row, in 2012 its 3170. So, if death does not stop people committing crimes, do you seriously think beating up someone will have an effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Beating up a thief because he stole your bike, will not discourage the thief not to steal again, it just doesn't work that way. If it did, I"d be on the bandwagon.
    A good example is capital punishment in the US. Capital punishment was introduced in 1968, so you would expect in future years crime would be less. It's the opposite, it has been rising. In 1968, 517 inmates were on death row, in 2012 its 3170. So, if death does not stop people committing crimes, do you seriously think beating up someone will have an effect?
    Agree with some of your points but, population, serious drug use and power of the drugs is increasing, and so is policing, its all relative.
    The example you have given is 50 years apart..
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Yeah, the more we're like Saudi Arabia the better.
    They used to hang people in public for stealing horses. Its a shame they dont do it for more modern "horses". I miss my Jeep Cherokee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Agree with some of your points but, population, serious drug use and power of the drugs is increasing, and so is policing, its all relative.
    The example you have given is 50 years apart..
    It's actually captial crimes which recieve the death penalty, homocide, murder, kindnapping etc.USA doesn't have capital punishment for drug trafficking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    It's actually captial crimes which recieve the death penalty, homocide, murder, kindnapping etc.USA doesn't have capital punishment for drug trafficking.
    No i understand that but im saying that directly or indirectly drugs are the reason for many many capital crimes like murder, if you took a statistic of how many people on death row had had drugs play a heavy influence on their life and crimes it would be massive..
    Without hard drugs involved it would be less than half the number for sure....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    No i understand that but im saying that directly or indirectly drugs are the reason for many many capital crimes like murder, if you took a statistic of how many people on death row had had drugs play a heavy influence on their life and crimes it would be massive..
    Without hard drugs involved it would be less than half the number for sure....
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    Tons of future victims in this thread. Guy gets what he deserves and people complain. Unbelievable the pussification of this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    No i understand that but im saying that directly or indirectly drugs are the reason for many many capital crimes like murder, if you took a statistic of how many people on death row had had drugs play a heavy influence on their life and crimes it would be massive..
    Without hard drugs involved it would be less than half the number for sure....
    Quite possibly, anything is possible especially when your taking hard drugs, it changes people.

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    I would like to see some statistics on death row inmates and drug use or trafficking.

    Otherwise I say that's******** and you guys are just making this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alberto_ View Post
    Tons of future victims in this thread. Guy gets what he deserves and people complain. Unbelievable the pussification of this country.
    If you want to live back in the cave man days, go right ahead. The last time I was a victim of theft was when i was around 6, bike got stolen out of my backyard. Since then I refuse to be a victim. It has nothing to do with pussification, but everything to do with common sense. Lock it or lose it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post
    I would like to see some statistics on death row inmates and drug use or trafficking.

    Otherwise I say that's******** and you guys are just making this up.
    LOL, mate you are dreaming if you think its not THE major factor in crime the world over..
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    I hate it when people try to blame the victim, and am all for negatively reinforcing theft to whatever extent you deem desirable in the event you catch the thief. They named that price, and voluntarily took that risk, when they decided to steal your property.
    Yes, you need to lock up your bike. That's the sad reality of the world we live in.
    You shouldn't need to, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Beating up a thief because he stole your bike, will not discourage the thief not to steal again, it just doesn't work that way.
    I cant help but laugh..

    Say you and I are neighbors. A third neighbor knows us both and knows if he breaks into my house and I catch him he will get a trip to the hospital.. but knows if he gets caught breaking into your house he is going to get hugs.

    Youre telling me the outcome isnt going to effect his decision making on which house to burglarize?

    Sorry to say, I think youre quite delusional..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    I cant help but laugh..

    Say you and I are neighbors. A third neighbor knows us both and knows if he breaks into my house and I catch him he will get a trip to the hospital.. but knows if he gets caught breaking into your house he is going to get hugs.

    Youre telling me the outcome isnt going to effect his decision making on which house to burglarize?

    Sorry to say, I think youre quite delusional..
    The problem is we need to make sure all thieves get the same or worth savage beating. These scum commit crimes because they think they can away with it and often they do. If there was a 90 percent chance of a beating or death, most theft would stop. Some people only understand great violence unfortunately. The punishment must be severe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    I cant help but laugh..

    Say you and I are neighbors. A third neighbor knows us both and knows if he breaks into my house and I catch him he will get a trip to the hospital.. but knows if he gets caught breaking into your house he is going to get hugs.

    Youre telling me the outcome isnt going to effect his decision making on which house to burglarize?

    Sorry to say, I think youre quite delusional..
    Bike thiefs and breakins are two different kettle of fish.
    Do you seriously think a neighbour who is rational would break into his neighbours house, no rational person would do that, I think you're the delusional one.
    Coming up with a scenario like that proves you're delusional, and your attitude sux.
    I live in a relatively high crime area, in 33 years I have not had a single break in. The reason why I"ve been successful is because of prevention.

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    Nice, I'm so sick of bike thieves.
    Nathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    LOL, mate you are dreaming if you think its not THE major factor in crime the world over..
    ********t, poverty is the major factor in crime the world over.

    So I guess you have no link or statistics to back up this nonsense?

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