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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    <---- Shoots people for a living.

    And, I wouldn't beat the guy. I'd use the minimum amount force necessary to stop him. Restrain him until the authorities got there, then let them handle it.

    I have to imagine that dude's life is pretty bad already, if he's resorting to stealing bikes. Me beating the tar out of him isn't going to help rehabilitate him any faster.

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    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/11...tampDescending

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
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    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    Bear spray brings down an alleged burglar in Noe Valley | Crime Scene | an SFGate.com blog

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.
    Hmmmm that crazy ***** is kinda cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Maybe we should incorporate stoning?

    Believe me, I am no friend to any thief but somehow I can't get off on seeing a pathetic loser beaten to a bloody pulp.
    You do know that the whole episode was 100% preventable...right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I will disagree

    Although steeling is never right you need to walk a mile in a mans shoes before you judge.

    I would bet that if you lost your job and had exasperated every honest possibility to feed your family and couldn't even afford a bag of rice, even you would 5 finger discount a little food. Although it is still wrong, does that guy deserve to have his hands removed further ruining any chances to get a job and earn an honest living?

    We can assume this guy was probably stealing the bike only to get his next fix but even still, you assume there is no chance for rehabilitation.

    I have been on both sides of the law myself and although I would never commit a crime ever again, barbaric punishments may have prohibited me from becoming the person I am now. Since then, I have volunteered working with troubled youth in the past and have seen some where you never thought they would be more than a 2 bit thug become well educated productive members of society. Some of those kids wouldn't have any hands under your system.

    It is easier for people to sit back and say we should be more harsh than it is for them to actually go out and positively affect the situations in this world.

    BTW, I bet nobody here if they really thought about it couldn't honestly say they never stole anything ever in their life.

    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.
    i'm pretty sure falling on hard times doesn't equate to the right to other people's property whenever you see the opportunity, nor is it a free pass to avoid whatever justice is handed out should you CHOOSE to steal from someone.

    there's a troubling, and seemingly increasing, mindset which somehow finds a way to rationalize the perpetrator of a crime as being a victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
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    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    Bear spray brings down an alleged burglar in Noe Valley | Crime Scene | an SFGate.com blog

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.
    So, do you think that in countries that chop off hands the theft rate is 0%?

    You are right, life is about how you walk in your shoes.
    I choose the shoes of compassion and understanding towards my fellow man.
    Does this mean that I believe crime should go unpunished? Hell no.
    However, I also do not believe a man should get his hand chopped of for stealing.

    Tell me have never stole anything in your life.
    I mean NEVER, not a dime from your moms purse.
    Never kept the change after the noticing a cashier gave you too much.
    Never took anything from anybody without their permission no matter how big or how small even though you knew they would be ok with it.

    I would bet you can't (well, you might be able to but you would be lying too).

    I would bet that if everyone here lost a hand every time they stole something we would all be looking for new ways to hold our handlebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    From her page "Professional Food Pornographer'"

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    Sonya Yu - Professional Food Pornographer | about.me

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    Damn, and here I thought I was going to see here hot little Asian ass do stuff with dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Damn, and here I thought I was going to see here hot little Asian ass do stuff with dinner.
    at least there's a little levity to a thread that i didn't think would turn into such a shipwreck...

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    Mmmmmm Asian Persuasion. I'm suddenly hungry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post
    Tone's,

    Le Duke's avatar "Ranger", suggests that he is a US Army Ranger. His profile says he is stationed in Ft Hood Oregon. He's just saying that he is a soldier. "Trained killer" is accurate, in my opinion.
    Some clarification: I lived/worked in Hood River, OR before enlisting. One of the best outdoor towns in the US. Currently an Infantry officer at Fort Drum, NY.

    The point of my post was that by its very nature, my profession dehumanizes "the enemy" for various reasons. And, I find it somewhat shocking how many people claim they'd use what I'd call excessive force on the man in this situation.

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    i swear i saw SV11 lurking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    i swear i saw SV11 lurking...
    Yes where has SV11 gone, he might be at Lance's place polishing his trophies or its more likely he is out looking for somebodies bike that is not secured so he can take it home and feel no guilt ...
    SV11 where are you Tiger ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
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    Dont ever let the truth get in the way of a funny story....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    So, do you think that in countries that chop off hands the theft rate is 0%?

    You are right, life is about how you walk in your shoes.
    I choose the shoes of compassion and understanding towards my fellow man.
    Does this mean that I believe crime should go unpunished? Hell no.
    However, I also do not believe a man should get his hand chopped of for stealing.

    Tell me have never stole anything in your life.
    I mean NEVER, not a dime from your moms purse.
    Never kept the change after the noticing a cashier gave you too much.
    Never took anything from anybody without their permission no matter how big or how small even though you knew they would be ok with it.

    I would bet you can't (well, you might be able to but you would be lying too).

    I would bet that if everyone here lost a hand every time they stole something we would all be looking for new ways to hold our handlebars.
    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.
    Great response until your last sentence. You assume the other individual doesn't hold the same values.

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    Wasn't meant to be accusitory, sorry if it seemed that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.
    Funny, a similar story happened to me.
    I stole a Key Car. They were like hot wheels but you stuck a key in the back and squeezed it and their was a spring in it the made it go. Oddly enough, it was a cop car that I stole.
    Anyways, my mom caught me and the punishment was similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.

    Funny how you make an assumption of how I live my life and insinuating that I only do acts of kindness when people are watching. Don't know where you get that idea from especially since pretty much all my posts have been about showing compassion but trust me I like the person I see in the mirror just fine.

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    All these bleeding hearts saying we need to rehabilitate this scum bag and not beat him.

    It's not anyone's responsibility but that guys to want to "fix" himself. I surely won't be worried about his mental, emotional or physical well being if I caught him trying to steal my bike. This is laughable at best.

    Second I would hope the police pressed charges on the bike owner if he had beat the guy to a pulp after he submitted. Here's to hoping he fought back AND then got beaten to pulp. Scum like this are stupid, ignorant people. The only things they sometimes understand (and only temporary) is violence. Agree or not its the truth.

    He got what he deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Funny, a similar story happened to me.
    I stole a Key Car. They were like hot wheels but you stuck a key in the back and squeezed it and their was a spring in it the made it go. Oddly enough, it was a cop car that I stole.
    Anyways, my mom caught me and the punishment was similar.




    Funny how you make an assumption of how I live my life and insinuating that I only do acts of kindness when people are watching. Don't know where you get that idea from especially since pretty much all my posts have been about showing compassion but trust me I like the person I see in the mirror just fine.
    It was more of a general statement, if you like the guy in the mirror then life is good.
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