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    Theres a difference between saying the bike owner could have prevented the theft and saying it was his fault. He may have been naiive thinking it wouldnt get stolen but the thief is the one that made an immoral choice not the owner. A couple of black eyes and a few stitches are no more than most of us have done to ourselves riding. If he was permanently disabled or killed it would have been too much but in my opinion he got what he deserved. With all the inconvenience of the court system the owner probably got what he deserved, a little inconvenience for being stupid.

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    "It would make more sense if you think of thieves as aids, there is no cure."

    using that logic, we would kill the virus everywhere we see it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzlyplumber View Post
    First, this thread needs to be a sticky.

    My humble opinion is that justice was served exactly as it should have been. No need for cutting off hands or breaking thumbs or stoning and certainly no need for analyzing and forgiving, that can come later.
    ^ this. Guy got caught stealing and got a decent beating for it, then got arrested. Other guy got his bike back. Happy ending all the way round, no need for harsher beatings or blaming the dude that got his bike pinched. All good, happy days.

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    I think that while the guy deserved it, there's nothing cool about beating a guy up no matter what he did. Cheering a guy getting beat up isn't any better than cheering that a bike got stolen, regardless of whether it was an action or reaction. I give a big (non-broken) thumbs down to this thread, and I'm pretty bummed it's not a more popular opinion around here (kudos to those who do feel the same way, though).
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    yeah, because if you just slap him on the wrist and say, " now don't do that again" they will fully understand the repercussions for their actions and what could happen if they choose to do it again... much like what's wrong with kids these days, not enough Red Forman's putting boots in their azz'es ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    yeah, because if you just slap him on the wrist and say, " now don't do that again" they will fully understand the repercussions for their actions and what could happen if they choose to do it again... much like what's wrong with kids these days, not enough Red Forman's putting boots in their azz'es ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    I think that while the guy deserved it, there's nothing cool about beating a guy up no matter what he did. Cheering a guy getting beat up isn't any better than cheering that a bike got stolen, regardless of whether it was an action or reaction. I give a big (non-broken) thumbs down to this thread, and I'm pretty bummed it's not a more popular opinion around here (kudos to those who do feel the same way, though).
    Whether you like or accept it or not, human males have been fighting, punching on and dishing out punishment since the dawn of time, humans not only have the ability to talk and reason but also dish out punishment and fight.
    Yes its not the best way to deal with things in most occasions but in ones like this its a perfect way to deal with it and in my opinion very ethical and justified..
    If you think that its wrong to watch men fight and enjoy it your dreaming.
    We love our UFC and boxing here infact UFC sells out in 1 hour, i adore it and derive a great deal of pleasure watching it.
    Some men have an instinct to fight and enjoy it, i put myself in that group, i dont chose to like it i just do ever since i was a child, its called testosterone, and its a part of life for a big part of the male population the world over, always has been always will be..
    You cant expect every one to share your opinion on this.
    If a dude steals a bike and got beat up like he did here i think its great, id either be the one beatin him up or very much enjoying the spectacle....
    He got what he deserved and in my opinion deserved more than he got...
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    I'm agreeing with both sides of the argument... MAYBE the beating was a little harsh... BUT...
    About 20 years ago, I had a diesel generator shop in a BAD neighborhood on Long Island. One evening, a guy wandered in claiming he had just been released from jail and wanted to know if I had a job for him. I did not. Then he asked for 20 dollars for food. I reluctantly gave him ten and sent him on his way. now, for the next four or five days, he was around. I knew I made a mistake.
    One evening, I hear a ruckus in my lobby. I run out to find the guys who rented the front shop from me for an auto repair business beating the **** out of the guy. They caught him breaking into customer's cars stealing stuff. He NEVER came back.
    So, if the bike owner yanked him off the bike and let him go? He'll do it again. Will he do it again now? I bet no.
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    Beating up a thief because he stole your bike, will not discourage the thief not to steal again, it just doesn't work that way. If it did, I"d be on the bandwagon.
    A good example is capital punishment in the US. Capital punishment was introduced in 1968, so you would expect in future years crime would be less. It's the opposite, it has been rising. In 1968, 517 inmates were on death row, in 2012 its 3170. So, if death does not stop people committing crimes, do you seriously think beating up someone will have an effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Beating up a thief because he stole your bike, will not discourage the thief not to steal again, it just doesn't work that way. If it did, I"d be on the bandwagon.
    A good example is capital punishment in the US. Capital punishment was introduced in 1968, so you would expect in future years crime would be less. It's the opposite, it has been rising. In 1968, 517 inmates were on death row, in 2012 its 3170. So, if death does not stop people committing crimes, do you seriously think beating up someone will have an effect?
    Agree with some of your points but, population, serious drug use and power of the drugs is increasing, and so is policing, its all relative.
    The example you have given is 50 years apart..
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Yeah, the more we're like Saudi Arabia the better.
    They used to hang people in public for stealing horses. Its a shame they dont do it for more modern "horses". I miss my Jeep Cherokee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Agree with some of your points but, population, serious drug use and power of the drugs is increasing, and so is policing, its all relative.
    The example you have given is 50 years apart..
    It's actually captial crimes which recieve the death penalty, homocide, murder, kindnapping etc.USA doesn't have capital punishment for drug trafficking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    It's actually captial crimes which recieve the death penalty, homocide, murder, kindnapping etc.USA doesn't have capital punishment for drug trafficking.
    No i understand that but im saying that directly or indirectly drugs are the reason for many many capital crimes like murder, if you took a statistic of how many people on death row had had drugs play a heavy influence on their life and crimes it would be massive..
    Without hard drugs involved it would be less than half the number for sure....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    No i understand that but im saying that directly or indirectly drugs are the reason for many many capital crimes like murder, if you took a statistic of how many people on death row had had drugs play a heavy influence on their life and crimes it would be massive..
    Without hard drugs involved it would be less than half the number for sure....
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    Tons of future victims in this thread. Guy gets what he deserves and people complain. Unbelievable the pussification of this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    No i understand that but im saying that directly or indirectly drugs are the reason for many many capital crimes like murder, if you took a statistic of how many people on death row had had drugs play a heavy influence on their life and crimes it would be massive..
    Without hard drugs involved it would be less than half the number for sure....
    Quite possibly, anything is possible especially when your taking hard drugs, it changes people.

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    I would like to see some statistics on death row inmates and drug use or trafficking.

    Otherwise I say that's******** and you guys are just making this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alberto_ View Post
    Tons of future victims in this thread. Guy gets what he deserves and people complain. Unbelievable the pussification of this country.
    If you want to live back in the cave man days, go right ahead. The last time I was a victim of theft was when i was around 6, bike got stolen out of my backyard. Since then I refuse to be a victim. It has nothing to do with pussification, but everything to do with common sense. Lock it or lose it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post
    I would like to see some statistics on death row inmates and drug use or trafficking.

    Otherwise I say that's******** and you guys are just making this up.
    LOL, mate you are dreaming if you think its not THE major factor in crime the world over..
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    I hate it when people try to blame the victim, and am all for negatively reinforcing theft to whatever extent you deem desirable in the event you catch the thief. They named that price, and voluntarily took that risk, when they decided to steal your property.
    Yes, you need to lock up your bike. That's the sad reality of the world we live in.
    You shouldn't need to, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Beating up a thief because he stole your bike, will not discourage the thief not to steal again, it just doesn't work that way.
    I cant help but laugh..

    Say you and I are neighbors. A third neighbor knows us both and knows if he breaks into my house and I catch him he will get a trip to the hospital.. but knows if he gets caught breaking into your house he is going to get hugs.

    Youre telling me the outcome isnt going to effect his decision making on which house to burglarize?

    Sorry to say, I think youre quite delusional..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    I cant help but laugh..

    Say you and I are neighbors. A third neighbor knows us both and knows if he breaks into my house and I catch him he will get a trip to the hospital.. but knows if he gets caught breaking into your house he is going to get hugs.

    Youre telling me the outcome isnt going to effect his decision making on which house to burglarize?

    Sorry to say, I think youre quite delusional..
    The problem is we need to make sure all thieves get the same or worth savage beating. These scum commit crimes because they think they can away with it and often they do. If there was a 90 percent chance of a beating or death, most theft would stop. Some people only understand great violence unfortunately. The punishment must be severe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    I cant help but laugh..

    Say you and I are neighbors. A third neighbor knows us both and knows if he breaks into my house and I catch him he will get a trip to the hospital.. but knows if he gets caught breaking into your house he is going to get hugs.

    Youre telling me the outcome isnt going to effect his decision making on which house to burglarize?

    Sorry to say, I think youre quite delusional..
    Bike thiefs and breakins are two different kettle of fish.
    Do you seriously think a neighbour who is rational would break into his neighbours house, no rational person would do that, I think you're the delusional one.
    Coming up with a scenario like that proves you're delusional, and your attitude sux.
    I live in a relatively high crime area, in 33 years I have not had a single break in. The reason why I"ve been successful is because of prevention.

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    Nice, I'm so sick of bike thieves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    LOL, mate you are dreaming if you think its not THE major factor in crime the world over..
    ********t, poverty is the major factor in crime the world over.

    So I guess you have no link or statistics to back up this nonsense?

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