• 11-29-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    <---- Shoots people for a living.

    And, I wouldn't beat the guy. I'd use the minimum amount force necessary to stop him. Restrain him until the authorities got there, then let them handle it.

    I have to imagine that dude's life is pretty bad already, if he's resorting to stealing bikes. Me beating the tar out of him isn't going to help rehabilitate him any faster.

    Cheers,

    Andy

    1) Thanks for serving:thumbsup:

    2) Amazing how somebody trained to fight/kill would know how to show compassion but many others who probably claim to be compassionate people in this world have no idea of the meaning of the word.

    BTW, todays rangers are a far cry better class of people than the ones 20 years ago.
    Grew up in Savannah Ga and back in the 90's they were a troublesome bunch.
    Of course it was always fun watching them sweat when they found out my dad was the OIC at the JAG office on HAAF. Attitudes changed rather rapidly:lol:
  • 11-29-2012
    SS Hack
    Not bike related:

    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/11...tampDescending

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.
  • 11-29-2012
    shibiwan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Not bike related:

    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    Bear spray brings down an alleged burglar in Noe Valley | Crime Scene | an SFGate.com blog

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.

    Hmmmm that crazy ***** is kinda cute. :D
  • 11-29-2012
    STT GUY
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Maybe we should incorporate stoning? :rolleyes:

    Believe me, I am no friend to any thief but somehow I can't get off on seeing a pathetic loser beaten to a bloody pulp.

    You do know that the whole episode was 100% preventable...right?
  • 11-29-2012
    STT GUY
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I will disagree

    Although steeling is never right you need to walk a mile in a mans shoes before you judge.

    I would bet that if you lost your job and had exasperated every honest possibility to feed your family and couldn't even afford a bag of rice, even you would 5 finger discount a little food. Although it is still wrong, does that guy deserve to have his hands removed further ruining any chances to get a job and earn an honest living?

    We can assume this guy was probably stealing the bike only to get his next fix but even still, you assume there is no chance for rehabilitation.

    I have been on both sides of the law myself and although I would never commit a crime ever again, barbaric punishments may have prohibited me from becoming the person I am now. Since then, I have volunteered working with troubled youth in the past and have seen some where you never thought they would be more than a 2 bit thug become well educated productive members of society. Some of those kids wouldn't have any hands under your system.

    It is easier for people to sit back and say we should be more harsh than it is for them to actually go out and positively affect the situations in this world.

    BTW, I bet nobody here if they really thought about it couldn't honestly say they never stole anything ever in their life.


    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.
  • 11-29-2012
    mfisher1971
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.

    :thumbsup: i'm pretty sure falling on hard times doesn't equate to the right to other people's property whenever you see the opportunity, nor is it a free pass to avoid whatever justice is handed out should you CHOOSE to steal from someone.

    there's a troubling, and seemingly increasing, mindset which somehow finds a way to rationalize the perpetrator of a crime as being a victim.
  • 11-29-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Not bike related:

    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    Bear spray brings down an alleged burglar in Noe Valley | Crime Scene | an SFGate.com blog

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.

    From her page "Professional Food Pornographer'"

    WTF is a Professional Food Pornographer? :lol:
  • 11-29-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.

    So, do you think that in countries that chop off hands the theft rate is 0%?

    You are right, life is about how you walk in your shoes.
    I choose the shoes of compassion and understanding towards my fellow man.
    Does this mean that I believe crime should go unpunished? Hell no.
    However, I also do not believe a man should get his hand chopped of for stealing.

    Tell me have never stole anything in your life.
    I mean NEVER, not a dime from your moms purse.
    Never kept the change after the noticing a cashier gave you too much.
    Never took anything from anybody without their permission no matter how big or how small even though you knew they would be ok with it.

    I would bet you can't (well, you might be able to but you would be lying too).

    I would bet that if everyone here lost a hand every time they stole something we would all be looking for new ways to hold our handlebars.
  • 11-29-2012
    shekky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    From her page "Professional Food Pornographer'"

    WTF is a Professional Food Pornographer? :lol:

    Sonya Yu - Professional Food Pornographer | about.me

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...rVN7LVDemgjFlw
  • 11-29-2012
    kjlued
    Damn, and here I thought I was going to see here hot little Asian ass do stuff with dinner. :lol:
  • 11-29-2012
    shekky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Damn, and here I thought I was going to see here hot little Asian ass do stuff with dinner. :lol:

    at least there's a little levity to a thread that i didn't think would turn into such a shipwreck...:thumbsup:
  • 11-29-2012
    joshh
    Mmmmmm Asian Persuasion. I'm suddenly hungry.
  • 11-29-2012
    Le Duke
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post
    Tone's,

    Le Duke's avatar "Ranger", suggests that he is a US Army Ranger. His profile says he is stationed in Ft Hood Oregon. He's just saying that he is a soldier. "Trained killer" is accurate, in my opinion.

    Some clarification: I lived/worked in Hood River, OR before enlisting. One of the best outdoor towns in the US. Currently an Infantry officer at Fort Drum, NY.

    The point of my post was that by its very nature, my profession dehumanizes "the enemy" for various reasons. And, I find it somewhat shocking how many people claim they'd use what I'd call excessive force on the man in this situation.
  • 11-29-2012
    shwinn8
    i swear i saw SV11 lurking...
  • 11-29-2012
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    i swear i saw SV11 lurking...

    Yes where has SV11 gone, he might be at Lance's place polishing his trophies or its more likely he is out looking for somebodies bike that is not secured so he can take it home and feel no guilt ...
    SV11 where are you Tiger ?;)
  • 11-29-2012
    SV11
    double post
  • 11-29-2012
    SV11
    Lurking in disguise.

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  • 11-29-2012
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Lurking in disguise.

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    HAHAHAHA we knew you were there mate hehehe:thumbsup::D
  • 11-30-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Lurking in disguise.

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  • 12-01-2012
    STT GUY
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    So, do you think that in countries that chop off hands the theft rate is 0%?

    You are right, life is about how you walk in your shoes.
    I choose the shoes of compassion and understanding towards my fellow man.
    Does this mean that I believe crime should go unpunished? Hell no.
    However, I also do not believe a man should get his hand chopped of for stealing.

    Tell me have never stole anything in your life.
    I mean NEVER, not a dime from your moms purse.
    Never kept the change after the noticing a cashier gave you too much.
    Never took anything from anybody without their permission no matter how big or how small even though you knew they would be ok with it.

    I would bet you can't (well, you might be able to but you would be lying too).

    I would bet that if everyone here lost a hand every time they stole something we would all be looking for new ways to hold our handlebars.

    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.
  • 12-01-2012
    Z4good
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.

    Great response until your last sentence. You assume the other individual doesn't hold the same values.
  • 12-01-2012
    STT GUY
    Wasn't meant to be accusitory, sorry if it seemed that way.
  • 12-02-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.

    Funny, a similar story happened to me.
    I stole a Key Car. They were like hot wheels but you stuck a key in the back and squeezed it and their was a spring in it the made it go. Oddly enough, it was a cop car that I stole. :lol:
    Anyways, my mom caught me and the punishment was similar.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.


    Funny how you make an assumption of how I live my life and insinuating that I only do acts of kindness when people are watching. Don't know where you get that idea from especially since pretty much all my posts have been about showing compassion :confused: but trust me I like the person I see in the mirror just fine. :thumbsup:
  • 12-02-2012
    _Alberto_
    All these bleeding hearts saying we need to rehabilitate this scum bag and not beat him.

    It's not anyone's responsibility but that guys to want to "fix" himself. I surely won't be worried about his mental, emotional or physical well being if I caught him trying to steal my bike. This is laughable at best.

    Second I would hope the police pressed charges on the bike owner if he had beat the guy to a pulp after he submitted. Here's to hoping he fought back AND then got beaten to pulp. Scum like this are stupid, ignorant people. The only things they sometimes understand (and only temporary) is violence. Agree or not its the truth.

    He got what he deserved.
  • 12-02-2012
    STT GUY
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Funny, a similar story happened to me.
    I stole a Key Car. They were like hot wheels but you stuck a key in the back and squeezed it and their was a spring in it the made it go. Oddly enough, it was a cop car that I stole. :lol:
    Anyways, my mom caught me and the punishment was similar.




    Funny how you make an assumption of how I live my life and insinuating that I only do acts of kindness when people are watching. Don't know where you get that idea from especially since pretty much all my posts have been about showing compassion :confused: but trust me I like the person I see in the mirror just fine. :thumbsup:

    It was more of a general statement, if you like the guy in the mirror then life is good.
  • 12-02-2012
    shwinn8
    don't steal marcellus wallace's bike! or his soul! :D

    Pulp Fiction Apartment Scene - YouTube

    i would still make appoint to break a thumb or 2
  • 12-02-2012
    kjlued
    Kind of an eye opener


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  • 12-02-2012
    joshh
    They either got real lucky with the cops or they first notified the cops they were doing it. There was 1 across the street in the first attempt, and it looked like the car was empty in the last one.

    It's sad that so many people saw this happening and didn't say anything. People don't say anything anymore, or call anyone out. Everyone keeps to themselves lest they get caught up in someone elses business.

    And why didn't he use a battery operated grinder? You aren't gonna find a plug in next to every bike you plan to steal.
  • 12-02-2012
    Repack Rider
    Had two bikes stolen out of my house in the '70s, identical Colnagos belonging to my roommate and myself.

    A friend spotted my frame being stripped of its distinctive paint (my bike club colors) in a yard a couple of miles from our house, and tipped me off. My roommate and I arrived and found the frames, sans components. My frame was on the porch, reeking of Jasco paint remover. We entered without knocking. I told the occupant of the house that I was going to throw the TV through the front window if I didn't find out where the rest of the two bikes were.

    He wouldn't tell us, but his girlfriend was terrified, and gave up a name, which appeared to cause some friction between them. It took us a while, because there was no Internet available, but we found out where the guy lived. By the time the two of us arrived at the house, it was late and the Tonight Show was on a TV inside. The front door was open, so I walked up the front stairs and tapped at the screen door. A voice asked what was up. I asked for "Andy," and the voice said he was downstairs in his room.

    We walked down the stairs and around the house and found a downstairs door. The two of us walked in, in total darkness, in a house where we didn't know the layout. I called out, "Andy?" and a sleepy voice answered from what turned out to be a bedroom.

    We burst in the door to the room and flipped on the light. We found Andy and his girlfriend both in bed, both naked. We told Andy in no uncertain terms that we were here for the bike parts. There were two of us and Andy was naked, and he had no resistance in him. He didn't ask, "What bike parts?" Apparently he knew which bike parts we meant. While his girlfriend cried and hid under a sheet, Andy, still naked, dragged a box of bike components out of a closet. We took them and left, and later found that we had more parts than we needed to restore the two bikes.

    Since I needed to paint my bike, I contacted Andy's dad, who had been the voice that directed us to his bedroom, and told him I wanted a hundred bucks for my trouble. He gave it to us, and I took the opportunity to tell him what a lowlife his son was. He didn't have much of an argument.

    Of course we reported to the local police what had taken place, but they said we had no business doing what we did, and that we were lucky they were going to leave us alone about it.

    I heard that some years later, Andy disappeared and has not been seen since.
  • 12-02-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    Of course we reported to the local police what had taken place, but they said we had no business doing what we did, and that we were lucky they were going to leave us alone about it.

    Well I kind of agree.

    Although your outcome was good, you broke the law to achieve it.

    Think of all the things that could have gone wrong in this scenario.
    Worst of which, the guys could have shot and killed you and they would have been within in their rights to do so.

    Glad it turned out well for you but for somebody else it may not and a bike just is not worth taking those kinds of risks.
  • 12-02-2012
    Z4good
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Well I kind of agree.

    Although your outcome was good, you broke the law to achieve it.

    Think of all the things that could have gone wrong in this scenario.
    Worst of which, the guys could have shot and killed you and they would have been within in their rights to do so.

    Glad it turned out well for you but for somebody else it may not and a bike just is not worth taking those kinds of risks.

    Cool story though :thumbsup:
  • 12-02-2012
    Repack Rider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Although your outcome was good, you broke the law to achieve it.

    When we asked about "Andy," we were directed by an occupant of the house to his location. We entered through an unlocked door, so it wasn't B&E. When I called a name, someone answered, which I took to be an invitation. When I asked, not very politely to be sure, about some bike parts, he gave them up. I never laid a finger on anyone, but I brought a TOWERING rage with me that seemed to inspire cooperation.

    Not sure what I might have done that was illegal, but I'm not a lawyer or a cop. Please explain.
  • 12-02-2012
    kjlued
    Door doesn't have to be locked to have it considered B&E

    You entered the first house without permission and it seems you didn't have permission to enter the second house.

    You terrorized and threatened destruction of personal property.
    And it almost seems like you strong armed Andy's dad for $100

    That just scratches the surface of broken laws and I am sure there were several others.

    Not that I would steal a bike, but if you were to bust in my room like that, the outcome for you would not have been favorable as I am a pretty good shot. If the first people or Andy would have armed I doubt we would be having this conversation.
  • 12-02-2012
    SS Hack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    When we asked about "Andy," we were directed by an occupant of the house to his location. We entered through an unlocked door, so it wasn't B&E. When I called a name, someone answered, which I took to be an invitation. When I asked, not very politely to be sure, about some bike parts, he gave them up. I never laid a finger on anyone, but I brought a TOWERING rage with me that seemed to inspire cooperation.

    Not sure what I might have done that was illegal, but I'm not a lawyer or a cop. Please explain.

    You really should have been armed; other than that, good job.
  • 12-02-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    You really should have been armed; other than that, good job.

    What if he was armed and the thief was also armed.
    Then the thief reached for his gun and Repack shot and killed the guy.

    Now you have a case of premeditated murder and Repack would have been locked up in prison for a long time, possibly life. All that over a bike.
  • 12-02-2012
    joshh
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Door doesn't have to be locked to have it considered B&E

    You entered the first house without permission and it seems you didn't have permission to enter the second house.

    You terrorized and threatened destruction of personal property.
    And it almost seems like you strong armed Andy's dad for $100

    That just scratches the surface of broken laws and I am sure there were several others.

    Not that I would steal a bike, but if you were to bust in my room like that, the outcome for you would not have been favorable as I am a pretty good shot. If the first people or Andy would have armed I doubt we would be having this conversation.

    Cool story bro. I'm not reading all that.
  • 12-02-2012
    shwinn8
    Repack! was the girl cute? :D
  • 12-02-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    Cool story bro. I'm not reading all that.

    I am sorry that 7 little lines is too much for you to read. :rolleyes:
  • 12-02-2012
    J.B. Weld
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    I heard that some years later, Andy disappeared and has not been seen since.


    Good story Repack! Some might not go so far for a bike but they were Colnagos after all!
  • 12-02-2012
    shibiwan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    Repack! was the girl cute? :D

    Yeah, inquiring minds want to know!

    -S
  • 12-03-2012
    joshh
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am sorry that 7 little lines is too much for you to read. :rolleyes:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Not reading all that

    I know, reading is tough...
  • 12-03-2012
    Toff
    The thief got what he deserved. Not to light, not to harsh. Perfect punishment.

    I liked Repacked story as well. Glad it ended well.
  • 12-03-2012
    grizzlyplumber
    Laws are for law abiding folks. I dont think I would have the guts to chase down the guy who stole my bike into his bedroom but my hat is off to RR for doing it.

    I found a stolen bike of mine when I was a kid and tried to get it back. It was a mongoose bmx that was built for me by my dads friend who worked at a bike shop. We were poor and it was built out of left over and used parts so it was pretty easy to identify it when I saw it. I called the cops, they showed up said nothing they could do about it and it wasnt my bike anymore. So like I said, laws are for law abiding folks.
  • 12-03-2012
    Funrover
    Nice, glad to see he got what was coming!
  • 12-03-2012
    bwcastle
    i could sure use some beat-down justice right now. Just had my Surly Moonlander stolen in broad daylight. Cops didn't seem to interested to help either. Terrible
  • 12-03-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    I know, reading is tough...


    Oh wow, did I hurt your little feelings so much in another thread you had to drag it over here?

    Did you stalk me to look for an opportunity to "get even".
    I had a feeling that is why you did it....how pathetic. :rolleyes:

    Difference was my comment was in reference to a novel.
    Yours was in reference to 7 little lines of reading.

    Nice try....not really.:rolleyes:

    I am sure you will soon start resorting to anonymous negative rep like all the other pathetic dip sh!ts.:rolleyes:
  • 12-03-2012
    joshh
    No, you didn't hurt my feelings. I've just noticed some general d-bag like behavior from you in a few posts, so figured I would flip you some shlt.
    I wouldn't anonymously give you neg rep. I'll let you know when it's me telling you you're retarded.

    I see you can't take it very well, so this could be fun...
  • 12-03-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    No, you didn't hurt my feelings. I've just noticed some general d-bag like behavior from you in a few posts, so figured I would flip you some shlt.
    I wouldn't anonymously give you neg rep. I'll let you know when it's me telling you you're retarded.

    I see you can't take it very well, so this could be fun...

    Trust me, I take it just fine, but you just can't dish it well.

    Learn to read 7 lines and then come back and talk to me.:thumbsup:

    BTW, dragging your beef in to another thread is.... well....just gay.:rolleyes:
  • 12-03-2012
    joshh
    :smallviolin:
  • 12-03-2012
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    :smallviolin:

    That is what I thought, you have nothing.:rolleyes: