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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post
    bullshitt, poverty is the major factor in crime the world over.

    So I guess you have no link or statistics to back up this nonsense?
    give me some time to do some research.

    for now, here's this: California's longest-serving death row inmate spared execution | Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    give me some time to do some research.

    for now, here's this: California's longest-serving death row inmate spared execution | Reuters
    try this.

    List of United States death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    "I would like to see some statistics on death row inmates and drug use or trafficking."

    this is your question, which i am attempting to research.

    your wikipedia link is simply a list of death row inmates and a description of their crime. i think what tone's is trying to point out that lots of these guys who commit ultra violent crimes might have serious drug issues; that being a reflection of increasing (hard) drug use in the united states which in turn drives up crime in some areas.

    i'd like not to see this thread degenerate into an argument about the death penalty in the united states.

    ok, until i am blue in the face...the bottom line is that if you choose to take something that's not yours without the permission of the owner, you've also chosen to pay the penalty of getting caught--which in some cases, might be a savage beating at the hands of the owner.

    whether you feel that's right or wrong is up to you.

    p.s.: i'm having a hell of a time digging up any statistics on the number of death row inmates who have drug problems.

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    Who cares if they have drug problems or are poor; lots of troubled people out there not committing crimes.

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    i might also add that the owner handing out the beat down chooses to face the consequences as well...there are two sides to this coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alberto_ View Post
    Tons of future victims in this thread. Guy gets what he deserves and people complain. Unbelievable the pussification of this country.
    This is a problem I have with this thread. I'm not going to go back an re-read the whole thing but I can't recall one person complaining. I have heard people argue that punishment, "beatings" like this don't really do much to deter crime, a valid argument (not that I'm agreeing with it!), and that people really should lock up their bikes, also valid ( and I am agreeing with that) or like myself- the dude did get what he deserved, justice was served (in this instance) and everything turned out great, a perfect Hollywood ending!

    I get it, I even like it, I just don't like the gloating, the rubbernecking, and the cheering. I joked earlier that maybe we should bring back stoning, and though no one has outright agreed with that I have a sneaking suspicion that there are some who might welcome it. There is quite a mob here that are verbally stoning the "bad guy" so it's not a far fetch that a few might pick up a few real rocks if the opportunity arose. I'm thinking of setting up an online torch outlet, the market seems ripe for it.

    Several have also suggested that we should adopt Saudi Arabia's model and chop off hands, etc. etc., but just remember all the other fun things that go along with their role model. Are we not fighting them because of their deplorable way of life? As flawed as our justice system is, and Ill admit that it is seriously flawed, I'll take it over vigilantism any time. If you play by those rules then some day you may find yourself on the wrong end of a rope.

    If this is pussification then I am all in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alberto_ View Post
    Tons of future victims in this thread. Guy gets what he deserves and people complain. Unbelievable the pussification of this country.
    Since when does human decency = pussification?

    I am sure you lived a perfect life and never did anything wrong


    BTW, I don't think anyone is really feeling sorry for the guy, some of us just have enough human decency to get off and rejoice over the guy getting what appears to be an overly excessive beating.

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    One thing is for sure, that guy will never steal a bike again. Too bad other theives do not get more of this justice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    "I would like to see some statistics on death row inmates and drug use or trafficking."

    this is your question, which i am attempting to research.

    your wikipedia link is simply a list of death row inmates and a description of their crime. i think what tone's is trying to point out that lots of these guys who commit ultra violent crimes might have serious drug issues; that being a reflection of increasing (hard) drug use in the united states which in turn drives up crime in some areas.

    i'd like not to see this thread degenerate into an argument about the death penalty in the united states.

    ok, until i am blue in the face...the bottom line is that if you choose to take something that's not yours without the permission of the owner, you've also chosen to pay the penalty of getting caught--which in some cases, might be a savage beating at the hands of the owner.

    whether you feel that's right or wrong is up to you.

    p.s.: i'm having a hell of a time digging up any statistics on the number of death row inmates who have drug problems.
    Tone's comment was asinine and stupid as there have been plenty of people executed throughout Western history long before drugs even came around.

    Furthermore, there are plenty of people addicted to all kinds of terrible drugs that don't ****up and kill people.

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    Are we not fighting them because of their deplorable way of life?
    No Saudi Arabia is not at war with anyone in fact they are an ally of the US(I assume you are from the US)
    and really "deplorable way of life " come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    i might also add that the owner handing out the beat down chooses to face the consequences as well...there are two sides to this coin.
    What, this guy is a hero?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenM View Post
    I hate it when people try to blame the victim, and am all for negatively reinforcing theft to whatever extent you deem desirable in the event you catch the thief. They named that price, and voluntarily took that risk, when they decided to steal your property.
    Yes, you need to lock up your bike. That's the sad reality of the world we live in.
    You shouldn't need to, though.
    Not the whole world. Ever spend time in Japan? I did in the military. Out in town, no one locked their bikes, and no one touched them. But on Base, I had my bike stolen by another serviceman. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    What, this guy is a hero?
    any time anybody chooses to lay hands on somebody else for any reason, you're taking your chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moofish View Post
    Are we not fighting them because of their deplorable way of life?
    No Saudi Arabia is not at war with anyone in fact they are an ally of the US(I assume you are from the US)
    and really "deplorable way of life " come on.
    Come on, they're freaks that want to live in the year 800 (for real, look it up). We just kiss up to get their oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post
    Tone's comment was asinine and stupid as there have been plenty of people executed throughout Western history long before drugs even came around.

    Furthermore, there are plenty of people addicted to all kinds of terrible drugs that don't ****up and kill people.
    Mate in developed countries drugs without a doubt in one form or another is the driving force behind crime.
    I live in a city with over 6 million people in it, who do you think are the people stealing cars, breaking in to premises, getting involved in shootings and homocide, these people arnt doing it to feed their families be cause they are poor, they are doing it because they have an addiction that makes them desperate for money and drugs.
    I never stated all drug users are out there commiting crime, if you bothered to read my prior posts im the only person here that admitted i was a meth head for 20 years of my adult life, and also an addict of a few other choice substances.
    I never committed any capital crimes, i certainly never stole anything either.
    Bet ive been on both sides of the fence, i understand the impact they have on lives, i dont need stats to state the obvious, its a no brainer..

    People who use heavy drugs who dont hold down a job like i did, have no other way to support their habit unless they deal themselves or commit crime, its simple, how else do you get your 1000+ bucks a week to support your habit? you tell me mate?

    man you gotta get real, its basically the biggest economy on the face of the planet, and its pretty obvious you know very little about it the machinations of serious drug users and the effect it has directly and indirectly on the planet especially in developed countries like ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Mate in developed countries drugs without a doubt in one form or another is the driving force behind crime.
    I live in a city with over 6 million people in it, who do you think are the people stealing cars, breaking in to premises, getting involved in shootings and homocide, these people arnt doing it to feed their families be cause they are poor, they are doing it because they have an addiction that makes them desperate for money and drugs.
    I never stated all drug users are out there commiting crime, if you bothered to read my prior posts im the only person here that admitted i was a meth head for 20 years of my adult life, and also an addict of a few other choice substances.
    I never committed any capital crimes, i certainly never stole anything either.
    Bet ive been on both sides of the fence, i understand the impact they have on lives, i dont need stats to state the obvious, its a no brainer..

    People who use heavy drugs who dont hold down a job like i did, have no other way to support their habit unless they deal themselves or commit crime, its simple, how else do you get your 1000+ bucks a week to support your habit? you tell me mate?

    man you gotta get real, its basically the biggest economy on the face of the planet, and its pretty obvious you know very little about it the machinations of serious drug users and the effect it has directly and indirectly on the planet especially in developed countries like ours.
    Do you live in Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxMatt View Post
    One thing is for sure, that guy will never steal a bike again.


    When you're done with that crystal ball, can I borrow it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post
    Do you live in Australia?
    See under my name there, it says Sydney Australia, next to the word location, that generally means that the person lives in that place.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by moofish View Post
    Are we not fighting them because of their deplorable way of life?
    No Saudi Arabia is not at war with anyone in fact they are an ally of the US(I assume you are from the US)
    and really "deplorable way of life " come on.

    Yeah, that was pretty dumb- ever try and type a post while some kids are watching a show on half the computer screen, and others are bugging you every 30 seconds asking when they can have a turn? Hard to concentrate with screaming rug rats running wild.

    I was only trying (a lame attempt) to illustrate how people tend to cherry pick things that bolster their point of view.

    I know I'm not going to change anyones mind in regard to cheering the beating of a petty thief, and no one is going persuade me to join in the cheering but I guess its human nature to attempt to understand the other half.

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    Someone said it was an overly excessive beating. I counter that with the fact that the article said there was a fight. That damage could have easily been sustained in a bare knuckles brawl without being overly excessive.
    Furthermore, the general line between self defense and assault is protecting yourself to the point that the attacker is no longer posing a threat. If that means you yell at him and he falls to the ground in the fetal position, then you stop there. But if you take a baseball bat to his head and he is still swinging, then you hit him again. If the bike owner did not carry it any further then getting the thief to stop fighting, then there was absolutely nothing excessive about that beating. Not that an extra punch to that swollen purple left eye would have been uncalled for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Yeah, that was pretty dumb- ever try and type a post while some kids are watching a show on half the computer screen, and others are bugging you every 30 seconds asking when they can have a turn? Hard to concentrate with screaming rug rats running wild.

    I was only trying (a lame attempt) to illustrate how people tend to cherry pick things that bolster their point of view.

    I know I'm not going to change anyones mind in regard to cheering the beating of a petty thief, and no one is going persuade me to join in the cheering but I guess its human nature to attempt to understand the other half.
    Stop wasting your time on MTBR and go play with your kids!

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    all i said was next time to make a point to break the thumbs.. don't know how that got turned into cutting off the hands? that would be outrageous! makes it pretty hard to get a good firm grab of the handle bar with broken thumbs


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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    all i said was next time to make a point to break the thumbs.. don't know how that got turned into cutting off the hands? that would be outrageous! makes it pretty hard to get a good firm grab of the handle bar
    LOL , yeah thats the whole point......
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyWilliams View Post
    Stop wasting your time on MTBR and go play with your kids!
    Best post so far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    Someone said it was an overly excessive beating. I counter that with the fact that the article said there was a fight. That damage could have easily been sustained in a bare knuckles brawl without being overly excessive.
    A fight could be one sided.

    The thief could have just been trying to get away and begging for mercy and of course people are still going to say their was a fight.

    Still, if he would have left his hands off the bike, he would not have been beaten.


    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    Furthermore, the general line between self defense and assault is protecting yourself to the point that the attacker is no longer posing a threat. If that means you yell at him and he falls to the ground in the fetal position, then you stop there. But if you take a baseball bat to his head and he is still swinging, then you hit him again. If the bike owner did not carry it any further then getting the thief to stop fighting, then there was absolutely nothing excessive about that beating. Not that an extra punch to that swollen purple left eye would have been uncalled for...

    Wrong

    Their is a degree of reasonable force.
    You just can't go swinging weapons around all willy nilly.
    With your logic, you could keep shooting somebody as long as they are not on the ground in the fetal position.
    Even if somebody is coming at you, hitting them baseball bat can be considered excessive force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    See under my name there, it says Sydney Australia, next to the word location, that generally means that the person lives in that place.....
    yeah no shitt I was just asking cause it sounded like you were speaking for both of us, but I live in merica mate. just wondering how you have your finger on the pulse of what's going on in my country.

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    SV11 is on crack. NEVER is it the fault of an owner when his/her property is stolen. As a former victim of bike theft (my thief had big-ass bolt cutters,) I think the beating was well-justified.

    I would have no problem kicking the shi*t out of a guy who steals my bike. Even if he doesn't really fight back. Just hope nobody's watching....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    A fight could be one sided.

    The thief could have just been trying to get away and begging for mercy and of course people are still going to say their was a fight.

    Still, if he would have left his hands off the bike, he would not have been beaten.





    Wrong

    Their is a degree of reasonable force.
    You just can't go swinging weapons around all willy nilly.
    With your logic, you could keep shooting somebody as long as they are not on the ground in the fetal position.
    Even if somebody is coming at you, hitting them baseball bat can be considered excessive force.
    If anyone comes at me or my family, they will indeed face "excessive" force - hopefully the next person the perp comes at has a ramp for the scum's new wheelchair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    A fight could be one sided.

    The thief could have just been trying to get away and begging for mercy and of course people are still going to say their was a fight.

    Still, if he would have left his hands off the bike, he would not have been beaten.
    A one sided fight is called a beat down. If the bike owner would have beat down the thief, then there would have been an obligation for the police to arrest the owner on suspicion of assault. It goes back to what I'm about to rediscuss below, self defense.



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    Wrong

    Their is a degree of reasonable force.
    You just can't go swinging weapons around all willy nilly.
    With your logic, you could keep shooting somebody as long as they are not on the ground in the fetal position.
    Even if somebody is coming at you, hitting them baseball bat can be considered excessive force.
    You took what I said out of context, or just misinterpreted it. I did not say the person has to be in the fetal position before you stop. I said that you stop once the attacker is no longer posing a threat.
    I also did not say that you can hit someone in the head with a bat. I said if you do, and they are still coming at you, then do it again. That would be part of the "stopping them from posing a threat". But you're right, a bat to the head was a bad example. That can be considered assault with a deadly weapon, if you aren't defending yourself... Shoot him in the face instead.
    With my logic, not your interpretation of it, you unload the clip if he is still coming at you. You don't pull the trigger if he sees the gun and immediately stops or runs away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    SV11 is on crack. NEVER is it the fault of an owner when his/her property is stolen. As a former victim of bike theft (my thief had big-ass bolt cutters,) I think the beating was well-justified.

    I would have no problem kicking the shi*t out of a guy who steals my bike. Even if he doesn't really fight back. Just hope nobody's watching....

    In other news, I'm an idiot and can't leave rep properly.
    Yeah it farkn is. If i leave my bike unlocked in a busy environment and it gets stolen, who's fault is it? It's my fault for being an ass and not securing the bike. It's up to the owner if he wants to prevent theft, there are insinuating circumstances at times, but generally the onus is on the owner. You really don't understand what a thief's job is.
    If i do see a perp trying to cut the cable lock, I'd do everything in my power to detain the perp and notify the authorities. The reason being I want it on record. Beating the perp is way too easy (for me anyway, trained in KM), why let the thief off with a beating, to me its not enough.
    When you get a parking ticket, who do you blame, the ticketing officer or yourself? Wake the fark up
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    you won't have to worry SV11, i'm guessing you never actually leave the safety of the confines of your own house with all the crazy people stealing things


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    If i leave my bike unlocked in a busy environment and it gets stolen, who's fault is it?
    Your parking lot ticket isn't a good analogy. It's more like saying the woman that dresses provocatively is at fault for being raped (obviously extreme example, I know). It's not the fault of the owner if something gets stolen, it is the fault of the thief that stole it. The owner won't get charged with bike theft, the person at fault for the theft will.
    Whether or not the owner could have made it more difficult is a different story, but stupidity for not securing the bike properly doesn't make it their fault. Besides, if the right thief wants something bad enough they will find a way to take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    Your parking lot ticket isn't a good analogy. It's more like saying the woman that dresses provocatively is at fault for being raped (obviously extreme example, I know). It's not the fault of the owner if something gets stolen, it is the fault of the thief that stole it. The owner won't get charged with bike theft, the person at fault for the theft will.
    Whether or not the owner could have made it more difficult is a different story, but stupidity for not securing the bike properly doesn't make it their fault. Besides, if the right thief wants something bad enough they will find a way to take it.
    Well, the thief is a scumbag. But, the reality is, and it's a sad reality thats its to be expected in todays society, 50 yrs ago you would have no problems doing that (leaving the bike unsecured) but not in todays climate. You guys are looking for pittyful excuses.
    Why you guys always bring rape into the equation baffles me, we are talking about theft, not rape, you cannot compare the two.

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    with that logic every body who brings a bike to a DH/XC/SD/4X.. ect race event should lock their bikes up when not in use. damn that would be a ***** having to carry a lock during a race!


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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    with that logic every body who brings a bike to a DH/XC/SD/4X.. ect race event should lock their bikes up when not in use. damn that would be a ***** having to carry a lock during a race!
    You are a right royal idiot. I just realised what type of crowd I'm conversing with in this thread, I'm pulling myself out of this thread, have a nice day chaps.

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    i'm not a right loyal idiot, i'm just a realist who sometimes calls it as it is.

    sorry that the big bad words on the computer screen beat you


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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post
    yeah no shitt I was just asking cause it sounded like you were speaking for both of us, but I live in merica mate. just wondering how you have your finger on the pulse of what's going on in my country.
    No, but im as educated as i need to be to understand how civilised countries operate, and understand the nature of human beings, and how serious drugs effect society and people,, and your constant personal attacks and name calling of everybody in this thread that doesnt see it your way has unfortunatly for you shown your hand and true colours, cheers

    Edited, Apologies Fotu, the name calling part was directed at SV11, you didnt do that at all, sorry mate.....retracted.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    You are a right royal idiot. I just realised what type of crowd I'm conversing with in this thread, I'm pulling myself out of this thread, have a nice day chaps.
    BWAHAHAHA, what a great loss to this thread, i'll see if i can pull him back in, here SV11, here boy.........
    C'mon buddy, we miss you......come back......this thread is nothing without you mate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    No, but im as educated as i need to be to understand how civilised countries operate, and understand the nature of human beings, and how serious drugs effect society and people,, and your constant personal attacks and name calling of everybody in this thread that doesnt see it your way has unfortunatly for you shown your hand and true colours, cheers
    Personal attacks and name calling? I didn't do any of that. Are you high right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotu View Post
    Personal attacks and name calling? I didn't do any of that. Are you high right now?
    Sorry mate, my apologies, i mistook you for SV11, my mistake, sorry mate......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Edited, Apologies Fotu, the name calling part was directed at SV11, you didnt do that at all, sorry mate.....retracted.....
    Just to clear it up, I only called shwinn8 a right royal idiot, reason being he's arguing just for the sake of arguing and not making any ground. I call it as is and I never beat around the bush.
    As for the personal attacks, I attack the post, not the poster except in schwinn8's case. It's all there in black and white if you don't believe me.
    Now I'm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    If anyone comes at me or my family, they will indeed face "excessive" force - hopefully the next person the perp comes at has a ramp for the scum's new wheelchair.
    Well, there is a difference between somebody coming at you and your family vs somebody chasing somebody down.

    Example, if a perp comes in your house you can shoot him but as he is coming in, but if you wait to he is leaving you will be charged with a crime.

    If somebody comes yelling at your wife and kids, and you just start beating them with a bat, you will be charged with a crime. Now if that same guy is waiving a bat in the air and you have reason to believe he will hit them, the start slugging.

    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    A one sided fight is called a beat down. If the bike owner would have beat down the thief, then there would have been an obligation for the police to arrest the owner on suspicion of assault. It goes back to what I'm about to rediscuss below, self defense.
    Schematics

    But lets take the word at face value. It must have been a real fight because the media would never lie or spin something.

    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    You took what I said out of context, or just misinterpreted it. I did not say the person has to be in the fetal position before you stop. I said that you stop once the attacker is no longer posing a threat.
    I also did not say that you can hit someone in the head with a bat. I said if you do, and they are still coming at you, then do it again. That would be part of the "stopping them from posing a threat". But you're right, a bat to the head was a bad example. That can be considered assault with a deadly weapon, if you aren't defending yourself... Shoot him in the face instead.
    With my logic, not your interpretation of it, you unload the clip if he is still coming at you. You don't pull the trigger if he sees the gun and immediately stops or runs away.
    I didn't take it out of context, you didn't explain yourself well and left it too open.

    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Yeah it farkn is. If i leave my bike unlocked in a busy environment and it gets stolen, who's fault is it? It's my fault for being an ass and not securing the bike. It's up to the owner if he wants to prevent theft, there are insinuating circumstances at times, but generally the onus is on the owner. You really don't understand what a thief's job is.
    If i do see a perp trying to cut the cable lock, I'd do everything in my power to detain the perp and notify the authorities. The reason being I want it on record. Beating the perp is way too easy (for me anyway, trained in KM), why let the thief off with a beating, to me its not enough.
    When you get a parking ticket, who do you blame, the ticketing officer or yourself? Wake the fark up
    Again you mix up fault with responsibility.

    It was the owners responsibility to secure the bike.
    It was thief's fault it was stolen.

    The thief was the ass, the owner was an idiot.

    BTW, did it ever occur to you that obviously the thief didn't get very far. Considering it only takes a few seconds to be gone, the bike may have never left his sight.


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    You are a right royal idiot. I just realised what type of crowd I'm conversing with in this thread, I'm pulling myself out of this thread, have a nice day chaps.
    I see, since everyone disagrees with you, everyone else is an idiot?

    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Just to clear it up, I only called shwinn8 a right royal idiot, reason being he's arguing just for the sake of arguing and not making any ground. I call it as is and I never beat around the bush.
    As for the personal attacks, I attack the post, not the poster except in schwinn8's case. It's all there in black and white if you don't believe me.
    Now I'm done.
    I don't believe you.

    You will be back.

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    <---- Shoots people for a living.

    And, I wouldn't beat the guy. I'd use the minimum amount force necessary to stop him. Restrain him until the authorities got there, then let them handle it.

    I have to imagine that dude's life is pretty bad already, if he's resorting to stealing bikes. Me beating the tar out of him isn't going to help rehabilitate him any faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    <---- Shoots people for a living.

    And, I wouldn't beat the guy. I'd use the minimum amount force necessary to stop him. Restrain him until the authorities got there, then let them handle it.

    I have to imagine that dude's life is pretty bad already, if he's resorting to stealing bikes. Me beating the tar out of him isn't going to help rehabilitate him any faster.

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    LOL, Le Duke ''shoots people for a living'' ''And , i wouldnt beat the guy''
    Well shut the thread then !!!!!! the bloke that shoots people for a living has spoken..

    Le Duke, whats your quota for the week, how many people do you shoot a week? and is there bonuses involved ?
    How many people have you shot Andy, and what do you do for a job that involves ''shooting people for a living'' im only asking because you wernt shy in telling us ..
    What are you a hitman or something mate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Yeah it farkn is. If i leave my bike unlocked in a busy environment and it gets stolen, who's fault is it? It's my fault for being an ass and not securing the bike. It's up to the owner if he wants to prevent theft, there are insinuating circumstances at times, but generally the onus is on the owner. You really don't understand what a thief's job is.
    If i do see a perp trying to cut the cable lock, I'd do everything in my power to detain the perp and notify the authorities. The reason being I want it on record. Beating the perp is way too easy (for me anyway, trained in KM), why let the thief off with a beating, to me its not enough.
    When you get a parking ticket, who do you blame, the ticketing officer or yourself? Wake the fark up
    You left me negative rep, and misspelled "imbocile." Oh, the irony!

    The word "steal" inherently means someone taking something that doesn't belong to them. Period. The person doing the taking is guilty, not the owner of the item.

    Your parking ticket analogy shows how much of an "imbocile" you are, with clearly little cognitive abilities or comprehension of fundamental laws of possession. Good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    LOL, Le Duke ''shoots people for a living'' ''And , i wouldnt beat the guy''
    Well shut the thread then !!!!!! the bloke that shoots people for a living has spoken..

    Le Duke, whats your quota for the week, how many people do you shoot a week? and is there bonuses involved ?
    How many people have you shot Andy, and what do you do for a job that involves ''shooting people for a living'' im only asking because you wernt shy in telling us ..
    What are you a hitman or something mate?
    Tone's,

    Le Duke's avatar "Ranger", suggests that he is a US Army Ranger. His profile says he is stationed in Ft Hood Oregon. He's just saying that he is a soldier. "Trained killer" is accurate, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post
    Tone's,

    Le Duke's avatar "Ranger", suggests that he is a US Army Ranger. His profile says he is stationed in Ft Hood Oregon. He's just saying that he is a soldier. "Trained killer" is accurate, in my opinion.
    LOL, cheers Dave, i gathered that, but he said he ''shoots people for a living'' i wanted to know how many people he shoots a week and how many he has shot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    <---- Shoots people for a living.

    And, I wouldn't beat the guy. I'd use the minimum amount force necessary to stop him. Restrain him until the authorities got there, then let them handle it.

    I have to imagine that dude's life is pretty bad already, if he's resorting to stealing bikes. Me beating the tar out of him isn't going to help rehabilitate him any faster.

    Cheers,

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    1) Thanks for serving

    2) Amazing how somebody trained to fight/kill would know how to show compassion but many others who probably claim to be compassionate people in this world have no idea of the meaning of the word.

    BTW, todays rangers are a far cry better class of people than the ones 20 years ago.
    Grew up in Savannah Ga and back in the 90's they were a troublesome bunch.
    Of course it was always fun watching them sweat when they found out my dad was the OIC at the JAG office on HAAF. Attitudes changed rather rapidly

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    Not bike related:

    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/11...tampDescending

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
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    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    Bear spray brings down an alleged burglar in Noe Valley | Crime Scene | an SFGate.com blog

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.
    Hmmmm that crazy ***** is kinda cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Maybe we should incorporate stoning?

    Believe me, I am no friend to any thief but somehow I can't get off on seeing a pathetic loser beaten to a bloody pulp.
    You do know that the whole episode was 100% preventable...right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I will disagree

    Although steeling is never right you need to walk a mile in a mans shoes before you judge.

    I would bet that if you lost your job and had exasperated every honest possibility to feed your family and couldn't even afford a bag of rice, even you would 5 finger discount a little food. Although it is still wrong, does that guy deserve to have his hands removed further ruining any chances to get a job and earn an honest living?

    We can assume this guy was probably stealing the bike only to get his next fix but even still, you assume there is no chance for rehabilitation.

    I have been on both sides of the law myself and although I would never commit a crime ever again, barbaric punishments may have prohibited me from becoming the person I am now. Since then, I have volunteered working with troubled youth in the past and have seen some where you never thought they would be more than a 2 bit thug become well educated productive members of society. Some of those kids wouldn't have any hands under your system.

    It is easier for people to sit back and say we should be more harsh than it is for them to actually go out and positively affect the situations in this world.

    BTW, I bet nobody here if they really thought about it couldn't honestly say they never stole anything ever in their life.

    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.
    i'm pretty sure falling on hard times doesn't equate to the right to other people's property whenever you see the opportunity, nor is it a free pass to avoid whatever justice is handed out should you CHOOSE to steal from someone.

    there's a troubling, and seemingly increasing, mindset which somehow finds a way to rationalize the perpetrator of a crime as being a victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
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    A San Francisco woman brandishing a Japanese training sword chased an alleged thief through Noe Valley Tuesday afternoon, hitting him with bear spray and performing a citizens arrest, police said.
    Bear spray brings down an alleged burglar in Noe Valley | Crime Scene | an SFGate.com blog

    Note: this happened in one of the most liberal cities in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    The "walk a mile in someone elses shoes" is an excuse used to pawn inexcusable actions.

    If a person knows they will lose a hand for stealing rice, they figure out an differnet way to obtain that rice.

    Life isn't about waliking is someone elses shoes....it's how you walk and behave in your own shoes or even when you don't have shoes, that difines who you are.
    So, do you think that in countries that chop off hands the theft rate is 0%?

    You are right, life is about how you walk in your shoes.
    I choose the shoes of compassion and understanding towards my fellow man.
    Does this mean that I believe crime should go unpunished? Hell no.
    However, I also do not believe a man should get his hand chopped of for stealing.

    Tell me have never stole anything in your life.
    I mean NEVER, not a dime from your moms purse.
    Never kept the change after the noticing a cashier gave you too much.
    Never took anything from anybody without their permission no matter how big or how small even though you knew they would be ok with it.

    I would bet you can't (well, you might be able to but you would be lying too).

    I would bet that if everyone here lost a hand every time they stole something we would all be looking for new ways to hold our handlebars.

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    From her page "Professional Food Pornographer'"

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    Sonya Yu - Professional Food Pornographer | about.me

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    Damn, and here I thought I was going to see here hot little Asian ass do stuff with dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Damn, and here I thought I was going to see here hot little Asian ass do stuff with dinner.
    at least there's a little levity to a thread that i didn't think would turn into such a shipwreck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post
    Tone's,

    Le Duke's avatar "Ranger", suggests that he is a US Army Ranger. His profile says he is stationed in Ft Hood Oregon. He's just saying that he is a soldier. "Trained killer" is accurate, in my opinion.
    Some clarification: I lived/worked in Hood River, OR before enlisting. One of the best outdoor towns in the US. Currently an Infantry officer at Fort Drum, NY.

    The point of my post was that by its very nature, my profession dehumanizes "the enemy" for various reasons. And, I find it somewhat shocking how many people claim they'd use what I'd call excessive force on the man in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    i swear i saw SV11 lurking...
    Yes where has SV11 gone, he might be at Lance's place polishing his trophies or its more likely he is out looking for somebodies bike that is not secured so he can take it home and feel no guilt ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    So, do you think that in countries that chop off hands the theft rate is 0%?

    You are right, life is about how you walk in your shoes.
    I choose the shoes of compassion and understanding towards my fellow man.
    Does this mean that I believe crime should go unpunished? Hell no.
    However, I also do not believe a man should get his hand chopped of for stealing.

    Tell me have never stole anything in your life.
    I mean NEVER, not a dime from your moms purse.
    Never kept the change after the noticing a cashier gave you too much.
    Never took anything from anybody without their permission no matter how big or how small even though you knew they would be ok with it.

    I would bet you can't (well, you might be able to but you would be lying too).

    I would bet that if everyone here lost a hand every time they stole something we would all be looking for new ways to hold our handlebars.
    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.
    Great response until your last sentence. You assume the other individual doesn't hold the same values.

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    Wasn't meant to be accusitory, sorry if it seemed that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    My comment was not in reference to chopping off hands...go back read it again and try to actually understand my post.

    I have stolen in my life. I stole a hotwheel car at age 8 from the PX at Miramar. My mother made me take it back, confess, pay for it and then donate it to the Goodwill and two weeks restriction..confined to quarters besides shool with no visitors or TV. I learned my lesson. Since that day I have never stole anything in my life. Period.
    Funny, a similar story happened to me.
    I stole a Key Car. They were like hot wheels but you stuck a key in the back and squeezed it and their was a spring in it the made it go. Oddly enough, it was a cop car that I stole.
    Anyways, my mom caught me and the punishment was similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post

    I live my life not by what I do when others are watching but rather what I do when no one is watching. Try it, you may end up liking the way you feel and who you look at in the mirror every morning, I do.

    Funny how you make an assumption of how I live my life and insinuating that I only do acts of kindness when people are watching. Don't know where you get that idea from especially since pretty much all my posts have been about showing compassion but trust me I like the person I see in the mirror just fine.

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    All these bleeding hearts saying we need to rehabilitate this scum bag and not beat him.

    It's not anyone's responsibility but that guys to want to "fix" himself. I surely won't be worried about his mental, emotional or physical well being if I caught him trying to steal my bike. This is laughable at best.

    Second I would hope the police pressed charges on the bike owner if he had beat the guy to a pulp after he submitted. Here's to hoping he fought back AND then got beaten to pulp. Scum like this are stupid, ignorant people. The only things they sometimes understand (and only temporary) is violence. Agree or not its the truth.

    He got what he deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Funny, a similar story happened to me.
    I stole a Key Car. They were like hot wheels but you stuck a key in the back and squeezed it and their was a spring in it the made it go. Oddly enough, it was a cop car that I stole.
    Anyways, my mom caught me and the punishment was similar.




    Funny how you make an assumption of how I live my life and insinuating that I only do acts of kindness when people are watching. Don't know where you get that idea from especially since pretty much all my posts have been about showing compassion but trust me I like the person I see in the mirror just fine.
    It was more of a general statement, if you like the guy in the mirror then life is good.
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    don't steal marcellus wallace's bike! or his soul!

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    Kind of an eye opener


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    They either got real lucky with the cops or they first notified the cops they were doing it. There was 1 across the street in the first attempt, and it looked like the car was empty in the last one.

    It's sad that so many people saw this happening and didn't say anything. People don't say anything anymore, or call anyone out. Everyone keeps to themselves lest they get caught up in someone elses business.

    And why didn't he use a battery operated grinder? You aren't gonna find a plug in next to every bike you plan to steal.

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    Had two bikes stolen out of my house in the '70s, identical Colnagos belonging to my roommate and myself.

    A friend spotted my frame being stripped of its distinctive paint (my bike club colors) in a yard a couple of miles from our house, and tipped me off. My roommate and I arrived and found the frames, sans components. My frame was on the porch, reeking of Jasco paint remover. We entered without knocking. I told the occupant of the house that I was going to throw the TV through the front window if I didn't find out where the rest of the two bikes were.

    He wouldn't tell us, but his girlfriend was terrified, and gave up a name, which appeared to cause some friction between them. It took us a while, because there was no Internet available, but we found out where the guy lived. By the time the two of us arrived at the house, it was late and the Tonight Show was on a TV inside. The front door was open, so I walked up the front stairs and tapped at the screen door. A voice asked what was up. I asked for "Andy," and the voice said he was downstairs in his room.

    We walked down the stairs and around the house and found a downstairs door. The two of us walked in, in total darkness, in a house where we didn't know the layout. I called out, "Andy?" and a sleepy voice answered from what turned out to be a bedroom.

    We burst in the door to the room and flipped on the light. We found Andy and his girlfriend both in bed, both naked. We told Andy in no uncertain terms that we were here for the bike parts. There were two of us and Andy was naked, and he had no resistance in him. He didn't ask, "What bike parts?" Apparently he knew which bike parts we meant. While his girlfriend cried and hid under a sheet, Andy, still naked, dragged a box of bike components out of a closet. We took them and left, and later found that we had more parts than we needed to restore the two bikes.

    Since I needed to paint my bike, I contacted Andy's dad, who had been the voice that directed us to his bedroom, and told him I wanted a hundred bucks for my trouble. He gave it to us, and I took the opportunity to tell him what a lowlife his son was. He didn't have much of an argument.

    Of course we reported to the local police what had taken place, but they said we had no business doing what we did, and that we were lucky they were going to leave us alone about it.

    I heard that some years later, Andy disappeared and has not been seen since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    Of course we reported to the local police what had taken place, but they said we had no business doing what we did, and that we were lucky they were going to leave us alone about it.
    Well I kind of agree.

    Although your outcome was good, you broke the law to achieve it.

    Think of all the things that could have gone wrong in this scenario.
    Worst of which, the guys could have shot and killed you and they would have been within in their rights to do so.

    Glad it turned out well for you but for somebody else it may not and a bike just is not worth taking those kinds of risks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Well I kind of agree.

    Although your outcome was good, you broke the law to achieve it.

    Think of all the things that could have gone wrong in this scenario.
    Worst of which, the guys could have shot and killed you and they would have been within in their rights to do so.

    Glad it turned out well for you but for somebody else it may not and a bike just is not worth taking those kinds of risks.
    Cool story though

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Although your outcome was good, you broke the law to achieve it.
    When we asked about "Andy," we were directed by an occupant of the house to his location. We entered through an unlocked door, so it wasn't B&E. When I called a name, someone answered, which I took to be an invitation. When I asked, not very politely to be sure, about some bike parts, he gave them up. I never laid a finger on anyone, but I brought a TOWERING rage with me that seemed to inspire cooperation.

    Not sure what I might have done that was illegal, but I'm not a lawyer or a cop. Please explain.

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    Door doesn't have to be locked to have it considered B&E

    You entered the first house without permission and it seems you didn't have permission to enter the second house.

    You terrorized and threatened destruction of personal property.
    And it almost seems like you strong armed Andy's dad for $100

    That just scratches the surface of broken laws and I am sure there were several others.

    Not that I would steal a bike, but if you were to bust in my room like that, the outcome for you would not have been favorable as I am a pretty good shot. If the first people or Andy would have armed I doubt we would be having this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    When we asked about "Andy," we were directed by an occupant of the house to his location. We entered through an unlocked door, so it wasn't B&E. When I called a name, someone answered, which I took to be an invitation. When I asked, not very politely to be sure, about some bike parts, he gave them up. I never laid a finger on anyone, but I brought a TOWERING rage with me that seemed to inspire cooperation.

    Not sure what I might have done that was illegal, but I'm not a lawyer or a cop. Please explain.
    You really should have been armed; other than that, good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    You really should have been armed; other than that, good job.
    What if he was armed and the thief was also armed.
    Then the thief reached for his gun and Repack shot and killed the guy.

    Now you have a case of premeditated murder and Repack would have been locked up in prison for a long time, possibly life. All that over a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Door doesn't have to be locked to have it considered B&E

    You entered the first house without permission and it seems you didn't have permission to enter the second house.

    You terrorized and threatened destruction of personal property.
    And it almost seems like you strong armed Andy's dad for $100

    That just scratches the surface of broken laws and I am sure there were several others.

    Not that I would steal a bike, but if you were to bust in my room like that, the outcome for you would not have been favorable as I am a pretty good shot. If the first people or Andy would have armed I doubt we would be having this conversation.
    Cool story bro. I'm not reading all that.

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    Repack! was the girl cute?


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    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    Cool story bro. I'm not reading all that.
    I am sorry that 7 little lines is too much for you to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    I heard that some years later, Andy disappeared and has not been seen since.

    Good story Repack! Some might not go so far for a bike but they were Colnagos after all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    Repack! was the girl cute?
    Yeah, inquiring minds want to know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am sorry that 7 little lines is too much for you to read.
    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Not reading all that
    I know, reading is tough...

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    The thief got what he deserved. Not to light, not to harsh. Perfect punishment.

    I liked Repacked story as well. Glad it ended well.

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    Laws are for law abiding folks. I dont think I would have the guts to chase down the guy who stole my bike into his bedroom but my hat is off to RR for doing it.

    I found a stolen bike of mine when I was a kid and tried to get it back. It was a mongoose bmx that was built for me by my dads friend who worked at a bike shop. We were poor and it was built out of left over and used parts so it was pretty easy to identify it when I saw it. I called the cops, they showed up said nothing they could do about it and it wasnt my bike anymore. So like I said, laws are for law abiding folks.
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    Nice, glad to see he got what was coming!

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    i could sure use some beat-down justice right now. Just had my Surly Moonlander stolen in broad daylight. Cops didn't seem to interested to help either. Terrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    I know, reading is tough...

    Oh wow, did I hurt your little feelings so much in another thread you had to drag it over here?

    Did you stalk me to look for an opportunity to "get even".
    I had a feeling that is why you did it....how pathetic.

    Difference was my comment was in reference to a novel.
    Yours was in reference to 7 little lines of reading.

    Nice try....not really.

    I am sure you will soon start resorting to anonymous negative rep like all the other pathetic dip sh!ts.

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    No, you didn't hurt my feelings. I've just noticed some general d-bag like behavior from you in a few posts, so figured I would flip you some shlt.
    I wouldn't anonymously give you neg rep. I'll let you know when it's me telling you you're retarded.

    I see you can't take it very well, so this could be fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    No, you didn't hurt my feelings. I've just noticed some general d-bag like behavior from you in a few posts, so figured I would flip you some shlt.
    I wouldn't anonymously give you neg rep. I'll let you know when it's me telling you you're retarded.

    I see you can't take it very well, so this could be fun...
    Trust me, I take it just fine, but you just can't dish it well.

    Learn to read 7 lines and then come back and talk to me.

    BTW, dragging your beef in to another thread is.... well....just gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    That is what I thought, you have nothing.

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