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    New question here. Best 6x6 all mountain bike.....

    Dudes,
    I need help! I weigh 210, and I'm pretty brutal on my bike. I'm looking to get a bike i can xc on and not worry about droppin off drops of like 4 feet at most. I currently ride a giant nrs and I hate how thin and flimsy the frame is. I want something around 35 lbs. i think. The new Rocky Mountain Slayer and the Giant Reign are my top choices so far, but the Turner six pac is pretty sweet too! If any of you have an opinion, please share it, there is a lot of freakin choices and I have no idea which way to go! Custom build is also an option, so if you like a particular frame, feel free to let me know that too! Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by CupCrazynNJ
    Dudes,
    I need help! I weigh 210, and I'm pretty brutal on my bike. I'm looking to get a bike i can xc on and not worry about droppin off drops of like 4 feet at most. I currently ride a giant nrs and I hate how thin and flimsy the frame is. I want something around 35 lbs. i think. The new Rocky Mountain Slayer and the Giant Reign are my top choices so far, but the Turner six pac is pretty sweet too! If any of you have an opinion, please share it, there is a lot of freakin choices and I have no idea which way to go! Custom build is also an option, so if you like a particular frame, feel free to let me know that too! Thanks guys
    I'd check out the Yeti 575. Just look at the reviews man, this thing is pretty sweet.

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    recommendations

    also check out the SC Nomad. if you can wait for the 2006 models the Iron Horse 7 point 9 looks pretty tasty as well and you get another inch of travel on a bike that can still be built in the 35 pound range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CupCrazynNJ
    Dudes,
    I need help! I weigh 210, and I'm pretty brutal on my bike. I'm looking to get a bike i can xc on and not worry about droppin off drops of like 4 feet at most. I currently ride a giant nrs and I hate how thin and flimsy the frame is. I want something around 35 lbs. i think. The new Rocky Mountain Slayer and the Giant Reign are my top choices so far, but the Turner six pac is pretty sweet too! If any of you have an opinion, please share it, there is a lot of freakin choices and I have no idea which way to go! Custom build is also an option, so if you like a particular frame, feel free to let me know that too! Thanks guys
    The Yeti and the Giant will not hold up to 210lbs dropping 4ft particularly if that occurs one or more times on every ride-which it should. A few choices that can take the abuse and inspire confidence over the long haul would be the SC Nomad, Turner 6 Pack, and also the Kona Coilair. All of these choices provide a platform for air or coil shocks, compatibility w/ 5-7" travel forks and the ability to fit in at Whistler Bike Park or a 24 Hour event. All can be built up as light as 30lbs or as 40lbs FR/light DH rigs. I am sure there are many more terrific choices. I have only had experience w/ the above choices. Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur
    The Yeti and the Giant will not hold up to 210lbs dropping 4ft particularly if that occurs one or more times on every ride-which it should.
    Where is this written?

    What makes the other choices more robust than the Yeti or Giant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonys
    Where is this written?

    What makes the other choices more robust than the Yeti or Giant?
    Yeti and Giant make great frames. I chose the above models based upon my experiences. If the rider had stated that he was either a lighter rider or was not dropping 4ft-I agree w/ the Reign or 575. Four feet doesn't seem high, however when you are on the saddle looking down and dropping-4 ft is plenty high, the forces to the frame, pivots, and components are brutal. However w/ a good transition or 160lb rider the forces are lower and the reign and 575 are fine. That said, a Yeti ASX w/ fox dhx air and 150mm fork or giant faith lightened up would be great options. I'm not bashing the brand (for example the SC superlight, Kona King Kikapu would not be good choices either). Based on weight of rider, size of drops and the weight of bike that the rider is after (35lbs), I would choose more towards "aggressive trailbike" vs long travel trailbike. Please contact the Yeti and Giant representatives directly and give them the scenerio. They will let you know what "MODEL" is appropriate which may well be the 575 and reign. Just my opinion and experiences. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur
    The Yeti and the Giant will not hold up to 210lbs dropping 4ft particularly if that occurs one or more times on every ride-which it should. A few choices that can take the abuse and inspire confidence over the long haul would be the SC Nomad, Turner 6 Pack, and also the Kona Coilair. All of these choices provide a platform for air or coil shocks, compatibility w/ 5-7" travel forks and the ability to fit in at Whistler Bike Park or a 24 Hour event. All can be built up as light as 30lbs or as 40lbs FR/light DH rigs. I am sure there are many more terrific choices. I have only had experience w/ the above choices. Hope that helps.
    I agree.

    Just because a bike fits a category, DOESN'T mean it fits that category for everyone.

    A 80 lb person could drop 6 feet all day long on a XC bike without breaking it. A 210 lb guy could snap the same bike just hitting a root hard in the trail.

    Same with all mountain bikes. They are only a step above XC in durability and not intended for drops, but more for smashing through rough terrain. A 80 lb guy could huck the snot out of one over 10 feet with no problems, but a 210 lb guy will snap it on a 4 footer eventually.

    Weight wise you should be looking at Freeride bikes for your All MOuntain use. A 4 footer to nice tranny can be done on a rigid bike. A 4 footer to flat or rocks is brutal even to dual suspenion bikes.

    Here's some general guidlines for bike to human weight ratios:

    Road biking - 10-15% of body weight

    XC MTB - 15-20% of body weight

    Freeride MTB - 20-30% of body weight

    You should be looking for a bike that around 20% of your body weight for abusive riding. Remember, slamming into roots and rocks at full speed can take just as much of a toll on your gear as drops.

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    This has been rehashed in considerable detail over on the "What Bike to Buy" forum and it seems (if cost isn't a limiting factor too much) the consensus comes back to these:

    Turner 6 Pack
    Ventana X5 (with 6 inch links if you must have 6")
    Intense 6.6
    SC Nomad
    Yeti 575 (A bit lighter duty than the others)

    The Slayer, Coiler, Titus SuperMoto, and Reign are good choices too but don't get as much play time here from the "experts" .

    Might also consider the Norco Six (very burly), Transition Preston or Dirtbag, etc. You're right, this category is loaded.
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    exactly what he said...

    this category is loaded...

    along w/ the nomad is the heckler, and the blur 6.6.

    the new specialized 6" travel FR bike should be looked at as well. its basically the scaled down version of the demo.

    do a search, thats what its there for. this question comes up all the time.
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    Thanks guys!

    Wow. This was the first time I've actually recieved good feedback for my question. Usually people wind up kinda answering my question and then everyone argues about something stupid and unrelated haha. I really appreciate the help and I really like the turner and the Rocky Mountain Slayer now. My only problem is i work at a family oriented bike shop now that sells giant so I could get a pretty good deal on one. The faith custom build was one way I was thinking of going but i figure the rake would be too extreme to be agile at all. If you wanna comment on eitehr of my posts, please do! It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Rich

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    isn't the slayer a 5 inch bike??

    i ride a yeti 575 and love it but i am pretty light 160 ish...my riding partner just got a reign 2 and geez has he gotten fast quick, he loves it...the reign seems a bit burlier than the yeti but not by much...another friend has a slayer and personally i don't like it, we switched bike for a bit one day and the brake jack was very obvious...you have lots of good options, shopping is almost as fun as riding it....good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by CupCrazynNJ
    Wow. This was the first time I've actually recieved good feedback for my question. Usually people wind up kinda answering my question and then everyone argues about something stupid and unrelated haha. I really appreciate the help and I really like the turner and the Rocky Mountain Slayer now. My only problem is i work at a family oriented bike shop now that sells giant so I could get a pretty good deal on one. The faith custom build was one way I was thinking of going but i figure the rake would be too extreme to be agile at all. If you wanna comment on eitehr of my posts, please do! It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Rich
    I would go for the 6pack or the Giant which has the maestro suspension right?

    If you get the Giant, you will never have to worry about breaking a part. Even though it may weigh more, it's worth having the extra beef if you weigh a lot AND want to ride it hard. 4 foot drops are way beyond anything a AllMountain bike should be doing with a 200lb + guy.

    I ride a 37 lb 6x6 bike and close to 200 lbs suited up:

    Azonic Saber 19 inch frame in 6 inch mode
    Pike 130mm setting feels best for trail riding
    Marzocchi 20mm hub with 2.7mm heavy gauge DH spokes to Sun MTX 34mm rim (stiffest god damn front wheel money can buy! Tacoed too many whimpy ones!)
    700mm wide DH bars with 50mm rise and 8 deg sweep (us heavy guys need wide bars!!)
    60mm DH stem
    Cushy seat for my fat ass
    Cheapo shimano crankset with upgraded BB ($40, heavy, never bent a single one, highly underrated)
    Large flat DH pedals for large feet
    Race face bash ring
    XT rear hub with 2.7mm heavy gauge spokes to Sun MTX rim
    Kenda Nevegal 2.5 DH sticke tire front (heavy)
    Maxxis high roller 2.35 DH super tacky rear tire (heavy)

    Most important part of making a bike large person freindly is having wide handle bars. It adds an incredible amount of steering ability to your bike in rough terrain. They also let you stick wacky landings without the bike feeling squirrly on impact.

    I ride my bike as speced above on 30 + mile epic rides that go for 4000+ vertical feet. I don't even notice the heavy DH tires any more. Best thing about DH tires? I haven't had a flat in over TWO 2 ll years!!! That includes one time I smashed my whole rear rim (XC rim) into 10 parts, guess what, the inner tube was still full of air and still in use today!

    I say having a flawless ride with no problems is worth lagging the heavy weight. Once those muscles get used to the heavy bike you will not even notice the weight and be able to keep up with everyone else.

    Seems like I spend more time waiting for freinds to fix their XC bikes than they have to wait for me to get up a steep section.

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    I think new (starting in 05) Specialized Enduro is the best of the off the shelf options. Fox 36 fork and no shortcoming on the components. Hard to beat for the money.

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    a thought...

    How about the Ventana El Chamuco? At $1300/frame it's a relatively cheaper "boutique" frame and is very burly. You can put the F36 on it and light tires and it becomes a trail bike. here's the link:
    http://ventanausa.com/frame_elchamuco.html

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    Too many choices.

    Quote Originally Posted by CupCrazynNJ
    Dudes,
    I need help! I weigh 210, and I'm pretty brutal on my bike. I'm looking to get a bike i can xc on and not worry about droppin off drops of like 4 feet at most. I currently ride a giant nrs and I hate how thin and flimsy the frame is. I want something around 35 lbs. i think. The new Rocky Mountain Slayer and the Giant Reign are my top choices so far, but the Turner six pac is pretty sweet too! If any of you have an opinion, please share it, there is a lot of freakin choices and I have no idea which way to go! Custom build is also an option, so if you like a particular frame, feel free to let me know that too! Thanks guys
    If money is not an option and you want a tough 35lb bike, the Turner is stronger and better all around than the Reign or Slayer. It is specifically designed for what you describe.

    You don't have to have six inches of travel to get what you need out of a bike. The Turner 5-spot has 5" of travel and can handle 4ft drops with ease. The same can be said of the Hecklers with the 5" rear shock. 6" of travel is the magic number this year and 5" was last years magic number. Get what works the best for you.

    I was actually steered away from the Reign this year from some shops because of my weight 210lbs and riding style which is aggressive xc. ie 4ft drops. It may or may not hold up but it is better to be safe when you are hard on bikes. I have never been a big fan of RM but the Slayer has had quality control issues over the years. I am not sure what the new bikes are like.

    One bike mentioned that is a proven performer for riders over 200lbs is the Santa Cruz Heckler. It has close to 6" of travel and does well in any riding application. The Heckler is also cheap these days. I no longer ride a Heckler but it remains right at the top of my list for the "one" bike that does everything pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronny
    If money is not an option and you want a tough 35lb bike, the Turner is stronger and better all around than the Reign or Slayer. It is specifically designed for what you describe.

    You don't have to have six inches of travel to get what you need out of a bike. The Turner 5-spot has 5" of travel and can handle 4ft drops with ease. The same can be said of the Hecklers with the 5" rear shock. 6" of travel is the magic number this year and 5" was last years magic number. Get what works the best for you.

    I was actually steered away from the Reign this year from some shops because of my weight 210lbs and riding style which is aggressive xc. ie 4ft drops. It may or may not hold up but it is better to be safe when you are hard on bikes. I have never been a big fan of RM but the Slayer has had quality control issues over the years. I am not sure what the new bikes are like.

    One bike mentioned that is a proven performer for riders over 200lbs is the Santa Cruz Heckler. It has close to 6" of travel and does well in any riding application. The Heckler is also cheap these days. I no longer ride a Heckler but it remains right at the top of my list for the "one" bike that does everything pretty well.
    Amount of travel doesn't mean jack squat. It's how the frame is made.

    A 6 pack isn't good at drops because of 6 inches of travel. It's good because of the heavy duty frame and solid parts.

    Transition Preston FR is a 4 inch travel frame, it can take more abuse than just about any 6 inch bike out there.

    5 spot has 5 inches of travel, but is also a lighter frame and not designed for heavy riders doing 4 foot drops. It could have 9 inches of travel and my opinion would remain the same.

    Hell, I can do 6 foot drops to flat with my Steelhead hardtail frame. No travel, but never going to break 7 pounds of steel!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robot Chicken
    Amount of travel doesn't mean jack squat. It's how the frame is made.

    A 6 pack isn't good at drops because of 6 inches of travel. It's good because of the heavy duty frame and solid parts.

    Transition Preston FR is a 4 inch travel frame, it can take more abuse than just about any 6 inch bike out there.

    5 spot has 5 inches of travel, but is also a lighter frame and not designed for heavy riders doing 4 foot drops. It could have 9 inches of travel and my opinion would remain the same.

    Hell, I can do 6 foot drops to flat with my Steelhead hardtail frame. No travel, but never going to break 7 pounds of steel!!
    True, it is how the frame is made that ultimately matters.Get what works best for you is what I was getting at. I was also making a point that more travel does not always equate to a more capable bike.

    The 5-spot is actually a much stronger frame than what you give it credit for. I know of quite a few spot owners, light and heavy that punish the frame and it holds up. Check out the Turner board.

    I actually own a Preston fr but have not been able to test it adequately because of knee surgery this summer. With the frame weighing nearly nine lbs with the Romic, it is beef.

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    i'd second or third for a vote for some of the mentions so far on this topic. The Six Pack from Turner, and Ventana's X-5 with 6" rocker kit, and even the Ventana ElChamuco would be a decent decision.


    How about one that hasn't been listed yet....Canadian made, rugged and should be able to handle some serious abuse. The Knolly Delirium , http://knollybikes.com/deliriumt.html . It would be an option on my short list.


    good luck choosing !

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    Very nice Jm, I mean Jayem.

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    I think folks are giving the 575 short shrift here, the frame is plenty robust for the type of riding in question. And the new kit spec for the Enduro Pro 20 is well thought out and very nicely priced.

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    I used to be with it. Then, they changed what "it" is, and now what I'm with is no longer "it". And whatever "it" is, is strange and confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K'Endo
    Hmmmm, slightly overkill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robot Chicken
    Hmmmm, slightly overkill?
    Maybe for most places...but not here...that thing is build for the shore and the rigors that come with it....

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    overkill ??

    nah....is there such a thing ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CupCrazynNJ
    Dudes,
    I need help! I weigh 210, and I'm pretty brutal on my bike. I'm looking to get a bike i can xc on and not worry about droppin off drops of like 4 feet at most. I currently ride a giant nrs and I hate how thin and flimsy the frame is. I want something around 35 lbs. i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB
    this category is loaded...

    along w/ the nomad is the heckler, and the blur 6.6.

    the new specialized 6" travel FR bike should be looked at as well. its basically the scaled down version of the demo.

    do a search, thats what its there for. this question comes up all the time.
    The Blur 6.6? That's essentially a Nomad...the LT Blur has 5.3 inches of rear travel fwiw
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    was there a point to that post man? cause i can't find one lol, to all others, i appreciate your wealth of knowledge. Keep on arguing, and debating because I enjoy the insight. Thanks.

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    I think the new Fisher Fat Possum looks pretty cool.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    This one.
    Would that be an ITC or TNT turner?

    Either way, what a great looking bike. Looking for a 6X6 frame myself to replace my dualie xc rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robot Chicken
    Amount of travel doesn't mean jack squat. It's how the frame is made.

    A 6 pack isn't good at drops because of 6 inches of travel. It's good because of the heavy duty frame and solid parts.

    Transition Preston FR is a 4 inch travel frame, it can take more abuse than just about any 6 inch bike out there.

    5 spot has 5 inches of travel, but is also a lighter frame and not designed for heavy riders doing 4 foot drops. It could have 9 inches of travel and my opinion would remain the same.

    Hell, I can do 6 foot drops to flat with my Steelhead hardtail frame. No travel, but never going to break 7 pounds of steel!!
    Ya, but then there's the wheels too. You do a big drop to flat with a big rider and no suspension and guess what's taking the brunt of the impact. That's right, the wheels.
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    I'm about your size and weight (6'3", 210 in gear) and ride aggresive XC and dabble in freeride. It seems like everyone here has covered about all the bases, but I'll throw in my .02 anyhow.

    Don't worry too much about weight. At your size you could eaily use a 35+ pound bike for a do-everything machine. I have harped on this before, but bike weight really should be proportional to rider weight. At 200 lbs, a 37 lb bike would be proprtional to a 160 lb rider on a 29.6 lb bike, or a 130 lb rider on a 24 lb bike (5.4:1 ratio).

    Don't get too caught up in suspension travel, either. A well set-up 4" on a bike with the right head angle and geometry will handle anything you throw at it ( I like 67-68 degrees HA for all around use). In fact, I 'll go as far as to say that head angle and cockpit configuration are more important that travel. There is nothing wrong with more travel, just don't think bigger is better.

    As far as what specific bike- SC Nomad (Ahhhhh),Heckler (versatile, simple), Kona Coiler Air, Norco's, Turner...Heck, for the money Haro makes a nice looking single pivot. Once you figure out how much you have to spend and what you want out of the bike the filed will shrink considerably.

    I won't get into the SP/ 4-bar, horst link, blah, blah, blah suspension designs you get to choose from. I ride a single pivot (Gemini), but won't go to bat saying one is better than the other. I will say that I am a fan of platform rear shocks for multi-use bikes. There is give & take, but any tradeoffs are well worth it if you have to peddle that 37 lb monster up the side of a mountain.

    Good luck.

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    Weight

    I have to agree with ChipV here. The weight of the bike should not be a big issue. I also ride a Gemini that has a platform shock. I think the thing works great. I ride the same stuff that you are talking about and I am always happy to haul a few extra pounds up a hill for the added durability and comfort that comes with it. My bike is 37lb and I am only 160. One of my buddies is 210 and has an Enduro. He has broken many parts in the last year and is wishing he went for a beefier bike. I run the heavy High Roller tires to and I have only had one flat in the last year. I don't think you will regret buying a heavy duty bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robot Chicken
    Hmmmm, slightly overkill?
    Not necessarily, should hopefully come in at less than 1lb heavier than the 6-Pack. It pedals really well and in the short chainstay setting it should climb very very well for its weight. Sick sick bike, I'm getting one. I took one look at it and told Noel, "put me down for 3 from the first batch".
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    Man, as i read i get more and more options lol. First of all I said wait wasn't really an issue. My bike right now comes in at like 27-30 and I hate it cause I feel like I'm gonna snap it in half. I figured I wanted about a 35 lbs. bike and was really into the Reign untill i found out it comes in around 31 lbs. which strikes me as hardly beefy. I like the 6 inches of travel idea, coming from a bike with 4, the downhills and skinny ass tires on an NRS are less than confidence inducing, but more jarring and scarry haha. My whole concern is that I want a bike that I can go downhill fast and confidently, take off small drops of like 4 feet, and still have the agility of an xc bike. Ha ha, I know this is what everyone would like, but right now the Turner six pac and Rocky Mountain slayer for '06 are billed for exactly that...confused XC riders lol. No need to quibble over weight as it is not an issue, I realize that proportionally a 40 lbs. bike should be no problem for me to drive up a hill once I get accustomed to it. The first few rides are gonna be rough though lol. Keep up the debate boys....lovin it.

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    so you are getting this and the Pugsley then?

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    Yeti 575

    My riding buddy did this to his 575 in July when we were riding in Flagstaff. The suspension link snapped in half when he landed off approx. a two foot jump. Granted, he got a lot of air on this frame before it broke, but we were both surprised that it gave way. I never saw him do anything that this bike wasn't designed for. He weighs about 190. To Yeti's credit, they warrantied the frame with one that came with the newer Fox shock (the old one had a 5th Element).
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonys
    Where is this written?

    What makes the other choices more robust than the Yeti or Giant?
    I don't know about the Riegn, but as for the 575 at 210 lbs I'd be hesitant to be doing 4 foot drops on a 6 lb frame.

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    OK, this isn't converging. How bout we ask it this way: "What are the worst 6x6 trail bikes out there?"

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    there have been lots of good suggestions. i would like to add my .02 and i hope that it helps you out.

    unless you do all your own wrenching, buy something from a LBS close to home. makes it nice for repairs, supports the LBS so when you need parts fast they are there for you (hopefully), and doing so can save you money on other purchases if the shop gives you the "good guy" discount on other stuff for a while after a purchase.

    i am 5'11" and a stout 205. when i went shopping for bikes i rode lots of them. Ellesworth, Giant, Trek, Specialized. i decided we (my wife and i were both buying bikes) would best be served by getting the same brand at the same store (maximize the good guy discount). we decided to go with specialized. i test rode Stumpys and they felt flimsy. then i test rode my Enduro. SWEET is all i can say. i felt so comfortable on it and the fork feels so stout. i have since done some stuff to it to get it down on weight and in some cases make it stronger (changed the XTR RD to a short cage XT with a ring guard/1x9). my bike weighs 29lbs or so now. i ride hard (3' drops to flat, jumps, etc) and like knowing that Specialized will warrantee the frame as lots of people here attest to. with this in mind i suggest you test ride a Large Enduro Pro, the 06 models come with some really sweet Sram bling.

    my other suggestion is based on what i have seen with the new bike from intense. they are made right here in the town where i live (Temecula, CA). their new 6.6 would be my ultimate bike of choice. unfortunately, i have financial limitations that keep me from buying one. if you wind up with an Intense 6.6 please post pics so i can live vicariously through you.

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    I got a Nicolai TST. Built like a tank. The TFR is a lighter version, but still built like a tank.

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    Saw a pic of that Intense 6.6...OOooooooooh, that's nice. That & the new Santa Cruz serve as my new bike Porn. In three years, when they are outdated, I'll probably buy a used one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CupCrazynNJ
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    I need help! I weigh 210, and I'm pretty brutal on my bike. I'm looking to get a bike i can xc on and not worry about droppin off drops of like 4 feet at most. I currently ride a giant nrs and I hate how thin and flimsy the frame is. I want something around 35 lbs. i think. The new Rocky Mountain Slayer and the Giant Reign are my top choices so far, but the Turner six pac is pretty sweet too! If any of you have an opinion, please share it, there is a lot of freakin choices and I have no idea which way to go! Custom build is also an option, so if you like a particular frame, feel free to let me know that too! Thanks guys
    Dont forget about the Ellsworth Moment. A little pricier but awesome.

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    [QUOTE=billybobzia]isn't the slayer a 5 inch bike??


    The new Slayer is 6in.

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    Weight Issue

    I'm 6'1" and about 200# when fully dressed (3L Camel Back, etc). I spent a year and a half in the saddle of a Gemini and loved the bike, made mountain biking a whole lot more fun. I used to tell people that it peddled great, it was an all-purpose, all-mountain bike/light FR rig. I never had a problem keeping up with any of my regular riding buddies, actually, I became faster than them. When I broadened my horizens and started riding with the local bike clubs (NEMBA), I realized that, man, I'm pushing around a lot of bike. Then I did a 24 hour race on a 4 man team and realized, once and for all, that I should be on something lighter with a more xc'ish stance. I picked up a SC Blur LT about 4 months ago and I cannot tell you what a world of difference there is. The weight of a bike made a HUGE difference. I still can't believe I'm cleaning the hills and tech stuff that I'm doing now. I'm moving up in points in my race class where I was DFL previously. And I do hammer the bike, not crazy free-ride style, but don't think twice about the 4 footers. I'll pin a lot of the credit on the engineering of the BLT, but having a lighter machine changed everything. By the way, it comes in sub-30# (large frame)
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    Yours on order yet?

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    little pricier?

    i would say that the moment is just a bit more than "a little pricier".

    you can buy an enduro, camelback, everything you need for less than you can build a moment and still have to buy all the necessary gear. don't get me wrong, if i had money flying out of my @$$ i would buy one. i don't though.

    05 enduro expert you can get a deal cuz it's last years model, maybe 2900 or so?

    moment frame 2500, Fox 36 RC fork 850 or so. that doesn't include ANY componenets. i would say to build it out from there 600 in wheels, 400 brakes, 50 tires, 80 headset, 300 cranks, shifters, pedals, stem, handlebar etc etc.

    it wouldn't surprise me if the average moment build is way over 5K.

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    I have no doubt you are right about a lighter. long travel bike, like the Blur LT, being the better all around bike. I actualy had a Tomac Eli before my Gemini and I loved the bike. It was similar to the Blur in that it had 5.5 in the rear and 5 in the front, was fairly light, and ran a stable platform shock (though suspension designs are totally different & it isn't near the quality of the Blur). I would still be riding it if it hadn't cracked like an egg.

    I've also got a Jamis XLT sitting in the garage that is about to be parted it. Honestly, it is a better all-around bike than the Gemini, too, and is a 5x5. But, keeping it maintained is a constant battle- suspension bolts work loose during rides, the seat-stay brace contacts the frame, and the seat post has a tendency to slip. No one of these problems are a big deal, but I do not believe the frame will hold up to long term abuse.

    So, I ride the Gemini. Not my dream bike by any means (would definatly take the Blur LT, the Nomad, Intense, or many others over it), and it IS overkill for a trail bike, but it will have to do for a while. I will say, though, the Cannondale simply DESTROYS both bikes I mentioned (Tomac & Jamis) on downhills, drops, and really gnarly terrain....you just pay a price for that everywhere else.

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    Enduro Expert 06

    Just got my 06 Specialized Enduro Expert

    Highlights are:

    Fox 36R fork
    Fox DHX Air shock
    SRAM 9.0 rear dr
    Truvativ Stylo cranks w/2 rings and Blackspire Bash and chain guide
    Avid Juicy 7's

    I taken it for a couple rides, and so far I am really impressed. It rails like no other bike, the fork is crazy stiff, and feels good in jumps and drops 4' or less. The rear shock is super tunable, and feels great, and the brakes are killer.

    What else do ya need?

    My suggestion...

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