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    Are you ready to lose some of the best riding in S. Oregon

    If environmentalists have their way you will. Here is a link to the proposed Siskiyou Crest National Monument. We need to stop these kind of land grabs or we will have nothing left to ride !
    http://www.kswild.org/programs/Wildl.../siskiyoucrest
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    Gosh darn those pesky 'viromentalists!

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    We may have been mis-informed. We we were given this information by somebody associated with KS Wild. We were told by this person that MTB would be directly impacted by monument designation. After a few emails and phone calls its seems that this may not be the case. The designation would ban open grazing and OHV use. Many logging roads would also be closed. BUT we still need to watch this closely as National Monument status brings the area one step closer to wilderness protection. Which in turn would deny MTB access. These are the tactics currently used in the Soda Mountain Monument. First make it a monument. Then make it wilderness. Which means that access may still be threatened with time. We as recreationalists need to be aware of what is happening with our lands and what the long term agenda of these groups really are.

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    Sure, we as recreationalists "need to be aware", but who's looking out for the ecosystem as a whole??

    Was this extremely rare ecosystem widely used for biking anyways? I can't find much Googling. I doubt it.

    Sure, you and I are responsible riders, but I don't want any Yahoo's (on bikes or otherwise) having the chance to possibly spoil such a gem. I've seen lots of irresponsibility in my years of riding/hiking/camping.

    By the way, what agenda do these groups really have? I belong to those groups; and I ride. We're not mutually exclusive.

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    I am not saying that we do not need to "protect" the environment. I love the outdoors and do not want to see it damaged. I consider myself as an environmentalist who believes in our freedoms as Americans and humans to use the land as we see fit. I cant stand the "yahoos" (which are a minority) that trash our lands either. I agree there needs to be some level of protection but not at the cost of our freedom.
    The ultimate goal of these groups is wilderness protection. Which forces out thousands of people that love the land and love to ride. If wilderness protection were to be enacted we would lose 90 % of the mountain biking trails in S. Oregon west of I-5. Including most of Ashland, all of Talent and Applegate trails systems among many other MTB trails. This status would highly impact MTB in our area.
    Its not about irresponsibilty. Its about a group of people that want to dictate what is best for the environment and for you. We as nature lovers and recreationalists need to work together to determine what is best for our land. Not a one sided approach.
    I agree that we have an extremely unique and biodiverse area in the Siskiyous. This does not give the right for one group of people to determine the future of our lands.

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    But if what Wyden can do for northern Oregon, cannot he do the same for southern Oregon?

    As the article states, we lost about 100 miles of (possible) trails, but for the right to keep what greatness we still do have.

    The ultimate goal of these groups is protection; not necessarily in the form of designated wilderness.

    If National Recreation Areas can work up north, they more than certainly can work down in the southern half of the state.

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    That would be great. As long as we can protect the riding areas that currently exist or trade sensitive lands for new areas. I do remember reading this article.
    Again, this current proposal is for monument status which KS Wild has stated would not impact MTB directly. It is the long term agenda and tactics that I see being used on Soda Mountain that worries me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofarider1
    That would be great. As long as we can protect the riding areas that currently exist or trade sensitive lands for new areas. I do remember reading this article.
    Again, this current proposal is for monument status which KS Wild has stated would not impact MTB directly. It is the long term agenda and tactics that I see being used on Soda Mountain that worries me.
    Please, stop with the "agenda" language. The amount of protected public lands in this country is woefully inadequate, as I'm sure you'd agree.

    You almost sound like one of the "Obama is a socialist" crowd!

    Most of us huggers care about protection, but we are also open to inclusive ways of achieving that. Where Wilderness (with a capital W) is warranted, I'm all in favor. But do you really think anyone would propose it for the great Oakridge or Bend riding areas?

    Trust me, you've nothing to fear here in Oregon. You can safely turn off Glenn Beck

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer
    ... But do you really think anyone would propose it for the great Oakridge or Bend riding areas? ...
    I do. Seen attempts to ban bikes from McKenzie River Trail and Alpine Trail. Just because you're not an irrational, self serving idiot doesn't mean nobody else is.

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    Agenda. What other term would you like me to use. Plan. I am not here to parse words nor get political or personal. I want to protect MTB trails. I have read other threads that you participate in and it is obvious which way you lean. I on the other hand am objective and look at things through a prism from all angles. Neither right nor left. I dont appreciate your judging of my character and assuming I am some right winger.
    I have everything to fear in Oregon. This state is the hot bed for this type of environmental protectionist thinking. It is also highly cherished for its recreational opportunities. We just need a balance.

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    I agree!

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus
    I do. Seen attempts to ban bikes from McKenzie River Trail and Alpine Trail. Just because you're not an irrational, self serving idiot doesn't mean nobody else is.

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    Why can't we all just focus on addressing the real problem here. The banning of bikes in Wilderness areas. That is the threshold we must overcome. And the 'agenda' crowd would be larger if they included us in their efforts instead of giving us the finger. Plus, we put a lot of effort and labor into trail maintenance so we have value to add to our inclusion.

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    This thread is getting...

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    Did I mention the trail work Day SOFA is hosting on Oct 25th on the Time Warp trail, or the one AMA is hosting on the Bull Gap and Cat Walk trails on Nov. 1st???
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