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    What's new in the Mac Forest

    Anyone discovered anything new in Mac these days, like trailwork?

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    I rode the Mac Forest only a handful of times over the summer, but now that I'm back in Corvallis attending OSU I've been riding pretty regularly. Haven't made my way through the Dunn Forest yet this fall, but thus far I haven't noticed anything out of the norm. I've been riding out of Oak Cr. gate, LewisBurg Saddle, and Sulphur Springs. Torn Peck/Ridge Trail had a lot of work done to it last spring and early summer.

    I seem to remember "goofy" feeling about Bombs Away, but I can't be certain. I did notice they put in a lot of cross drains on the main roads. Sorry I couldn't have been more help.

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    My riding buddy and I have noticed some differences, but we don't mind them, and tend to just let them be.....hate to see them torn down. Are you asking specifically about certain trails, or just generally speaking? We have even noticed a slight battle of sorts going on....on Extendo of all places. Short cuts. Short cuts around trees to make the flow better. We will see them one day, nice and clean and easy to use, then the next day, someone has drug a log across the short cut, blocking it to the bike rider that unknowingly comes along. But of course, the next time we ride it, the log is gone. Even these short cuts seem fine to me, as they aren't blazing a new trail of any kind, just smoothing the run out. I'd love to hear more info, if you have any.

    Also, we have noticed that the one nasty rooty section of The Plunge has gotten pretty sketchy for sure. I thought it may have been wash out, but I have had a couple people recently mention they thought it had been dug out some, making it beyond technincal.
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    I haven't been down Extendo in while but I will keep it mind when I go next time. I did see that nasty little root drop on the Plunge. I didn't ride it, but I didn't look back at it either. I hope no one is jacking it up, I just assumed it was a wash out. There is a landslide on the Trail of Woe but there is a trail around it. Last week there was a tree down over Dans. Other than that, I haven't seen anything new.

    Any idea when they are supposed to rock Bombs away? That would be nice for winter riding.

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    By rock do you mean gravel? Bombs away is an "unauthorized" trail that doesn't get graveled in the winter, and it does get pretty muddy. There's a new trail that drops out on uproute just above the extendo exit. It's short but fun and has a few features built into it.

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    Well, one thing is for sure, someone really does not like the short little ride-arounds on Extendo. I rode it yesterday, and where some of these flow additions are, someone placed some gnarly sticks blocking the trails. Some were even placed in semi-menacing positions, like sharp ends pointing up trail, although it was hard to tell if harm was the plan.

    Also, I have heard about a new trail in the past few days called Scream. Anyone ridden it yet? Based on the description of it, I think I have been on it, but didn't know what the name of it was. Anyone else with input on this.....or at least input they want to disclose?
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    Well, now I really feel like a puss.

    So I was talking to a fellow Mac Forest rider the other day, and we were discussing some of the changes on the trails up there, and I mentioned The Plunge. We started talking about that nasty root section, and he tells me that he will give me some motivation and inspiration to ride it the next time I'm up there........He says he has ridden this section on his full rigid tandem with his wife! Wow!

    Now, have I seen this done? No, but he is a good guy and is trustworthy, so I have to think it is accurate. What I can't figure out is how that is done. It is a pretty good drop off, on step, rooty terrain. On a tandem, I don't see how you could get the front wheel up enough to ride it successfully, unless my lack of experience with tandems has me thinking incorrectly. Wow, just wow!
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    Curious if anyone else rode Calloway this year other than me. I didn't notice any changes.
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    Well, my buddy and I found this new trail being referred to as “Scream”. It was a super cool trail with a little bit of tech, and a couple of features built in. This of course was my first time on the this trail, so it was kind of exploratory for sure. We approached the first feature which is a big. downed log across the trail with a semi-skinny ladder going over it. We stopped, checked it out, and it was a gradual ramp up the log, with a steeper ladder down the backside. Perfect if you wanted to roll it, and not bad if you wanted to jump it. So we rolled it for the first time and continued on. We come to the second feature, and coming down the trail, it looks identical to the first feature. I approach it thinking that, that it is the same as the first. Well, it turns out it wasn’t a roller this time, and had a 2-3 foot drop on the backside. Of course, stupid me, I go into thinking I can roll down the backside, which means I was going too slow to jump it. So I nose down, compress my shock, and almost rolled out of it. But no, OTB for me, with my bike landing on top of me. Smacked my knee on the bike going over and ended up with a good bruise.

    Needless to say, it was my mistake. I didn’t scout the feature like I should have, and made an assumption that it would be the same as the first. Next time, I’ll hit it with speed for sure, and just clear it. I’m kind of mad at myself really, and glad I didn’t bang myself up worse than I did. Anyways, cool trail for sure, and I’m looking forward to trying it again this weekend.
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    May not be a next time. If it's an illegal trail odds are OSU will have it removed.
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    How do you remove a trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slopefish View Post
    How do you remove a trail?
    Kind of wondered that myself, but I have heard it has been done. Not recently, but I think it has happened. I think what they would do is just take down features of any kind, but more than that, I don't know what they could do.

    Some of those "unofficial" trails have been there for years. I have a map that was done by an OSU professor and avid mountain biker from about 15 years ago at least, and it lists some of these unauthorized trails on it, and they are still there. Some have different names now, which is fun to see, but they are still in existance.
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    I would be interested in a map that listed the "other" trails. I was lost Long enough last time I was there that I started getting nervous and taking inventory of my supplies. Every trail lead away from the direction I was trying to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrasher_s View Post
    I would be interested in a map that listed the "other" trails. I was lost Long enough last time I was there that I started getting nervous and taking inventory of my supplies. Every trail lead away from the direction I was trying to go.
    Best resource I have found, although not that portable, is OpenCycleMap.org - the OpenStreetMap Cycle Map and it is pretty good and up to date. I know what you mean, with the Mac, it is easy to end up on the other side of the hill after bombing down a cool trail, only to find you are the opposite direction of where you parked. Check out that link, enter in 97330 in the zip code field, and zoom in to get the trail names. I ended up printing out a bunch of screen shots and making a map board in my garage (ManLand!) with a nice large map to look over. Hope that helps!

    Oh, I got the ok to link to the old map I referred to above. This was made by the brother in law of my riding buddy, when he helped develop a lot of the trails in the Mac Forest. Some of the trails aren't there any longer, some have different names, but it still cool to see some of the trails have been there for over 20 years. It's funny that some have different names now though, even though some people think they are brand new trails. Here is the link:

    http://people.whitman.edu/~pogue/files/corvallismap.pdf

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    That map does not show the trails the start from Peavy Arboretum.
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    Which one Kona, the old map or opencycle? I think opencycle does of course, but that old map doesn't, you're right. It is super cool though!
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    Looking at the old map, I think I ended up going NE on Alien and somehow cut over to the area where Baker Creek is, when I needed to be south to the oak creek trailhead.

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    Yeah thrasher, I've done that a few times as I learned the trails up there. There are fun trails that do go down the north side of the hill which is headed away from the Oak Creek parking area, but to get back you have a good climb in between. That is fine if you are prepared for it, but if not, it makes for a long haul back to your car. For shorter rides, I typically stay on the south side of the hill and hit a bunch of those trails. I recently found Narnia Forest as well as the afore mentioned Scream, which are both on the parking lot side of the hill. Combining those trails with Endo (Innuendo on newer maps) Shave and a Haircut and Buzzcut, makes for a good ride with a mix of climbing and downhills.
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    Does anyone else here ride Calloway Creek?
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    Kona, I just found Calloway Creek Trail on the map, out by Peavy, near Adair. Where do you get on the trail at, and where do you ride to? I would be interested in riding it sometime, but never have and was currious on some details. What is the trail like? Smooth? Flow? Techy? Rocky? Let me know if you can, and I may try and find it to ride in the next couple of weeks. Thanks!
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    You can get to Calloway Creek from Peavy. Just park at Peavy and go through the Intensive Management section. IM connects to Calloway. Calloway has a few steep uphill sections, some very fun downhill sections. Hard to explain. Would you be interested in a group ride?

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    Yeah, I might be into a group ride. My riding schedule is kind of all over the place right now.....mainly Saturdays and Sundays this time of year. But let me know if you get over here (in Lebanon, right?) and I'll see if I can meet you.
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    Let me talk to my friend and I'll see if I can make it over there. This Saturday sound good? In the morning? Let me know. Calloway is a blast to ride.
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    OK, but how do I get to Scream?

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    It is bad form to post directions to unauthorized trails. Please PM directions, or better yet, keep info on new trails to one's self. The less traffic a trail sees, the better condition it will remain. A lot of trails are being butchered by braids and shortcuts from groms and newbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryl View Post
    It is bad form to post directions to unauthorized trails. Please PM directions, or better yet, keep info on new trails to one's self. The less traffic a trail sees, the better condition it will remain. A lot of trails are being butchered by braids and shortcuts from groms and newbs.
    henryl, I get it for sure. Don't want to see these trails get taken down. That said, how would one know which trails are approved up there versus the ones that aren't? I mean, the maps linked above both show a mix of authorized and unauthorized trails, so it certainly is public information. I know that OSU's College of Forestry has a website here, that shows a list of trails. Are these the only legal trails out there? If so, there are a lof of unauthorized trails up there! Really, the only one lately I have seen affected with braids has been Extendo, as I mentioned in an above post. That one is now closed for the winter though (to MTBs) so that will slow it some, I'm sure.

    I guess the secrecy about it is what confuses me or at least makes me chuckle. I have been out riding and riden by a group of guys getting suited up with downhill gear, and got the looks like "Don't look over here, we aren't getting ready to a ride a trail that really doesn't exsist, and we may have to kill you because you know where it is". Or my riding buddy and I have been out on the trails and come across some riders and we ask where a certain trail is, to which we know the name and know it exsists, and we are given the deer in headlights look, like they don't want to share their special little trail. In fact, on Facebook, I am a member of the group Corvallis and Area Mountain Biking Group, and information about unauthorized trails is talked about pretty freely. So, while I get the need and desire to keep these trails in place, the "super secret" trail thing is a bit odd. But, I will do my part and not discuss these trails, or at least their loacations specifically, on the open boards. PM inbound slopefish.
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    Every few years OSU gets all anxious about the unauthorized trails and goes out and puts signs up telling people to stay off them. They have in the past trolled message boards for any mention of those trails and posted messages to stay off them. The less you throw it in their faces the less likely they are to mount a full scale response to them. The Deer in the headlights look can be simply because every trail has 10 different names depending on which group you ride with, there's no concerted effort to come up with a consistent name for each trail among the various groups.

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    I need a grand tour of these trails. New or old. Sanctioned or "illegal"

    Ridden Endo. Extendo. Gnarnia. Ridge Trail. Dans. Bombs. Most of Marys.

    Still need Southside Slip. Plunge... Etc etc etc etc....

    Still need to figure out best places to park and best routes to ride for getting the most action. I ride a big sloppy bike. I like the fire road up and tech singletrack down recipe. Just sayin.

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    You could park at peavy, work your way up the fire road to Cronemiller lake than come down through Calloway. Pretty technical if you do it that way.
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    Alright, I get it. I get not telling folks about non-publicized, non-authorized trails. I have been thinking about all of this as I have been riding these trails and discovering others, and I get the need to keep them semi-secretive amongst the community as a whole. Keeping these trails in existence is of the utmost importance for all of us Mac Forest riders, and I will do my part to keep it this way.

    Now, with that said, I guess my request or statement in regards to this is…….I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THESE COOL TRAILS ARE! I WOULDN’T EVEN MIND HELPING BUILD THEM TOO!

    Truly, I love the trails up in the Mac Forest, and it is so fun to find something new to ride up there. I am not one that would ever report new trail building to “authorities” in hopes of this stuff getting taken down. No way. I ride this stuff, and want it to stay there for sure.

    I guess one wish or hope for myself and a riding buddy of mine, is that if a new feature is built, would it be possible to make them difficult for you very experienced riders, but also roll-able for the guys that can’t clear a 4 foot gap? For example, the first bridge on Scream....fun to fly off, but roll-able too. I don’t want to sound like I am trying to puss-ify your trails, as that is not my point. Both my riding buddy and I can ride some pretty technical trails, but it is the “getting air” that I tend to stay away from, for the most part. My 39 year old body just doesn’t take the abuse from a crash as well any longer! Dammit! So again, by no means do I want your trails to be weak-sauce capable. I would just love to see certain features built with an option to roll it as well as jump it. This gives us guys that love riding these trails the chance to ride the features and feel like we are good, while the guys that are really good can hit the jump or feature and go as big as they want. Just a request that I thought I would throw out there with no expectations at all.

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    Rule # 1 when riding any new trail for the first time is to scope it out cautiously and not assume it's been built for your riding level. That said, I can't think of one trail that doesn't have a ride-around for a technical feature/stunt, rare as they are in the Forest. The feature on the trail you or your buddy wrecked on, had a ride-around. Seems like you need to be a little more cautious first time through and take the b-lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryl View Post
    Rule # 1 when riding any new trail for the first time is to scope it out cautiously and not assume it's been built for your riding level. That said, I can't think of one trail that doesn't have a ride-around for a technical feature/stunt, rare as they are in the Forest. The feature on the trail you or your buddy wrecked on, had a ride-around. Seems like you need to be a little more cautious first time through and take the b-lines.
    Oh totally on scouting it first. I agree 100% and should have on the one I wrecked on, and admitted as such. I have since hit the jump with success, but also ridden around it more recently just based on the fairly slick landing spot.

    You are dead on with the fact that I should take B-Lines until I can do the jump line or whatever it is. I guess I just wish I could do some of what is up there. I suppose that is what it comes down to, I wish. One line I am speaking of is on a trail I have been riding since the summer. Well, I discovered a new spur to that trail recently and have been riding that as it is just a fun trail. Well, I also found a really cool “addition” to this trail that is new, and involves a pretty fair drop over and off a log, into a turn with a nice, natural berm after it. It looks so sweet, and possibly not that hard. I look at it and wish I could do it, or even attempt it, but it has a pretty good gap in it to clear before the landing. My thought, and I of course wouldn’t arbitrarily just do this, but if that gap was filled in, it would be rollable, yet wouldn’t change the angle or line for the jump and could still be cleared. One could then roll it a couple of times prior to jumping it, getting the feel of the transition until they were ready to actually jump it.

    Don’t get me wrong, the fact that there are gaps make these feature fun for the guys who can do it, I get that. For me, I will continue to scout the trails first (duh!), and continue to work on my skills, in hopes of getting to the point of riding all that I want to ride. Thanks henryl for the reminder. I know it now for sure, and should have then too!
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