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    sycline conditions

    Thinking about a ride at sycline this weekend, this would be my first trip here and was wondering if anybody could give me an update of the conditions, and bike recomondations? i have an XC and a FR bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksearsor View Post
    Thinking about a ride at sycline this weekend, this would be my first trip here and was wondering if anybody could give me an update of the conditions, and bike recomondations? i have an XC and a FR bike.
    a few of us are shuttling it on sunday, this will be my first time on the trail also, from what i've been told is that if you are peddling up and xc or all mountain bike is best but if you shuttle probably your fr bike so you can hit some of the drops and stuff. hopefully somebody who has rode it will respond. i only have one bike so i'm stuck with riding what i have.

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    Right on, my buddy steve and i were looking in to the same shuttle to the top, might be a good chance to finally meet ya jae. I think I may have met or seen you up at the monument system before. It looks like there might be some snow at the 1000 - 1500 ft. level at the syncline trail on sunday; I was looking at a topo ma pof the area and it looks like the top of the trails is around the 2000 ft level. Hope we all make it out this weekend.

    Jae. are you a part of the SOMBA crew? do you have any idea who messed with me and my firends skinny line at the sweetpea system? we have a 17ft gap with a skinny line attached to it and the skinny has been removed/destroyed. any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksearsor View Post
    Right on, my buddy steve and i were looking in to the same shuttle to the top, might be a good chance to finally meet ya jae. I think I may have met or seen you up at the monument system before. It looks like there might be some snow at the 1000 - 1500 ft. level at the syncline trail on sunday; I was looking at a topo ma pof the area and it looks like the top of the trails is around the 2000 ft level. Hope we all make it out this weekend.

    Jae. are you a part of the SOMBA crew? do you have any idea who messed with me and my firends skinny line at the sweetpea system? we have a 17ft gap with a skinny line attached to it and the skinny has been removed/destroyed. any ideas?
    i'm here in underwood wa right now at 1500' and there is no snow. the wind is blowing a storm in so who knows, i can report more tomorrow about the local conditions. i ride in snow so it wouldn't stop me from going. steve texted me today that he was coming, hope you can make it also.

    ya i'm somba but i haven't rode sweetpea in a few months and haven't rode with pp in a while but i would assume that any built feature out there is a bad thing and should be steered away from. i know that years ago in dallas that when the property owners found the build features they were not happy and almost cost us the privilege of riding out there. i'm not being judge mental just stating what has happened in other areas. we are going to post canyon tomorrow and i'll let ya know what the conditions here are like.

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    As far as I know the line with the skinny line and gap jump are not on the beaten path, you kind of need to know where to go to even hit it. From what I have seen/heard is that P doesnt care for FR bikers, we're not trying to damage/change the trail to FR oriented, but c'mon there has to be a line that has to be drawn since they are not "marked" trails; these are BLM trails since they are the owners of the land it is on. but either way the new stuff we are trying to cut in are not intrusive or beyond an average riders skill level. For myself I was curious as to who may be putting piles of branches on the corners that are definitely railable trying to slow people down, all it has done is catch in my spokes and my chain, it's a major PITA when I have to stop and drag parts of a tree from the moving parts of my bike just to continue down the trail, it's a major PITA and personally I'm a college student and don't have the funds to constantly be repairing parts on my bike on the basis of other people trying to slow people down.

    Sorry for the rant, but I felt it was needed.

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    Syncline has been good all week, but with the snow falling now and what is predicted for next 24hrs the shuttles from the top will be adventuresome to say the least. You will likely be ridding in inches of heavy wet snow for half of the decent......

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    we did 3 shuttles on sunday, snow til you got out of the tree line but only a couple of inches, very rideable and tons of fun. love little moab can't wait to go back

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    I can see out my window that there will be a little more snow on the upper syncline this weekend compared to last.
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    I thought shuttling Syncline is being discouraged now, due to the fact that Coyote Canyon will be shut down because of all the shuttling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RighteousTrail View Post
    I thought shuttling Syncline is being discouraged now, due to the fact that Coyote Canyon will be shut down because of all the shuttling.
    It is heavily discouraged but a number of people unfortunately ignore that. And unfortunately I fear it will become much worse this spring with post canyon being closed till possibly mid-summer.

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    RT,
    Thanks for bringing it up.
    The residents do not appreciate all the unnecessary traffic on Courtney rd. This is a factor in the easements and trail closure decisions. Bad form to be posting all your laps on the interweb anyway. Peace.

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    Shuttlers,
    Think about the consequences before you shuttle Syncline. Please dont shuttle and risk having tension from the residents for the rest of us. I have never shuttled Syncline in the 30+ times I have ridden there. If you do shuttle, ask the residents if it is OK with them, which I hear it is not.
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    For sure!, thanks for the heads up. Don't want to make the residents mad. I havent been up there yet, i was planning on a trip this summer when the weather is better.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Don't shuttle Syncline... PLEASE...

    Given the state of Post Canyon, it's absolutely unacceptable to jeopardize Syncline.

    I've never shuttled Syncline, never even considered it, regardless of whether I have the Big Bike or the XC out, and I can totally understand why it would piss off the locals.

    Don't do it. Please. Use those pedals, that's what they're there for!
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    I don't shuttle it and don't like the shuttle situation there either. What pissed me off was seeing the shuttle riders jump out of the car and bomb through the field pass the reroute sign. Clearly trespassing and disregarding the property owners wishes at the top parking. A few will always ruin it for all.
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    I used to work in Klickitat County and have been in the homes of people up Courtney Road. They don't like the trucks and other shuttle vehicles going up and down Courtney. I have heard riding up is good for your health and keeps you out of those XL baggie pants

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    Syncline loop suggestions?

    I was thinking about going out to Syncline this Saturday. I've only been there once (and walked up the road, BTW) and was wondering if anyone had any good suggestions for some loops. I found this map. I'm not sure how accurate it is but I would really appreciate some advice. I ride a 150mm travel bike and would like to pedal up but hit some fast technical stuff on the way down.
    Also, the one time I road there we were pretty close to the edge of a tall cliff so I'm wondering how safe it is to take your dog there. Non-dog owners need not reply to this part of the question.
    Thanks for your help.

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    Shuttlegypsies are an embarassment to the mountain biking community.

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    I thought Coyote Cliffs has been "off limits" for some time now. Is this not the case? I would always ride up Courtney Road and then down Coyote. Shame if the driving impetus for closing some of these trails is due to people shuttling.

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    Do you think this group I saw last night up by the bench and launch site shuttled or started at the bottom? I was jealous of the pack of 6-10 riders killing it on a full moon ride? You can see the first set of lights as that little dot on the ridge.
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    Nice picture. Any suggestions on good loops?

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    Nice picture. Any suggestions on good loops?
    My favorite is up the jeep trail or to the right of it around the house up onto the old county road then into the Kreps land. Head down the controversial private land coyote wall trail. It is mostly clear with a few downed trees. Hidden canyon is another option. Hospital Hill has problems on the sections with fir trees from the ice. The open grass and Oaks seem to have held in the ice. Drop me a line when you are riding maybe I can join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brycej View Post
    Drop me a line when you are riding maybe I can join.
    I'm heading up there Saturday in the early afternoon.

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    Crybaby and Little Moab Conditions of this weekend

    Any thoughts from those who ride Sycline regularly on what the conditions for Crybaby and Little Moab will be on Saturday? I figure if it snowed in PDX last night, the upper trails must have gotten snow as well.

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    syncline

    Don't even have to go look.. It snowed all day wednesday in white salmon. Can't be good. Please tell everyone "earn your turns" Shuttling is bad in the long term for syncline.

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    Any additional weather updates on Syncline? I'm hoping the snow has melted and some reasonable drainage has begun.

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    Any updates regarding snow and trail conditions on Syncline? I'm hoping the snow has melted and some reasonable drainage has begun.

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    No clue. I'm going for it anyway.

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    Syncline is snow free from the brown house down but thick snow from there up.
    Any loops Maui/Moab loops should be great.

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    I am going to go check at lunch.. The sun is out but we had ice this am.. When the ice melts syncline get sticky.

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    I have resisted responding to the peeps critical of shuttling this trail , being a virgin to this trail i beg for forgiveness and have learned to post another question when posting about a new trail that i never have rode, the other question shall be, is shuttling ok? Again I am sorry about upsetting all the locals who already knew that shuttling is frowned upon, we did park down the road and not next to the no parking signs if that matters at all. I really enjoyed the trail but will avoid it in the future in order not to upset anybody.

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    Conditions were quite good on Saturday (except coyote, which I heard had too much snow). As a heads up, we ran into at least two sets of hikers on Loose Lucy who tried to tell us that it was a hiking only trail. The first set I tried to explain that the hiking only trails were further over in Catherine creek. The second set I started to wonder if I was wrong since I didn't have a map with me. We did our best to keep relations good--sorry, no signs, don't ride out this far much,etc--but they still weren't happy about us being there. when I got down I rechecked the usfs website and those trails are definitely open to bikes. You won't convince someone without a map so I highly recommend going to the usfs website and printing out the fonsi map to take with you if you are venturing out towards the Catherine creek drainage. Better yet bring extras and kill em with kindness.

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    Blast from the Past indeed Wacky. I have tried to bite my tongue on this subject matter for long enough AGAIN. I am a gravity rider first and I pedal, I have bikes for it all. I love bikes! I know this subject will be forever in debate, actually I hope it stays that way since that means that everything is still open. Last weekend on Saturday I pedaled all the way to the top to the shuttle point with a great run down of Syncline and then the following day I had the lady shuttle me and the boy for 3 runs. I have to say the interactions I have with the majority of the climbers that we STOP and YIELD for is quite sad. Usually a grumble or not even a response. These people are not dying because of the climb I assure you. They have plenty opportunity to give a nod or say something brief. A fellow gravity rider/friend was earning his turns(climbing) this weekend with a full face helmet and someone took it upon themselves to give him sh*t for not earning his. They were mistaken and ended up looking foolish. This has become a regular and awkward situation on the hillside as we all try to coexist and enjoy what we love. My boy has already started to wonder what he is doing wrong and this is the part that truly bothers me.
    The road is public, and as long as it is we and others will continue to shuttle. I just remind you all to drive slow, keep the bass down, pack your trash out, keep the beers low, and smother all with kindness. Its the only thing we can do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaewannabe View Post
    I have resisted responding to the peeps critical of shuttling this trail , being a virgin to this trail i beg for forgiveness and have learned to post another question when posting about a new trail that i never have rode, the other question shall be, is shuttling ok? Again I am sorry about upsetting all the locals who already knew that shuttling is frowned upon, we did park down the road and not next to the no parking signs if that matters at all. I really enjoyed the trail but will avoid it in the future in order not to upset anybody.

    Yes it's fine. Shuttling has nothing to do with cutting through peoples land, there are clearly marked signs of where you would cut through. 75% of the traffic at the top isn't even bikers (it's hikers and others) I have shuttled there 4-5 times, and ridden coyote one time, so blaming that on shuttling is ridiculous, people shuttle to ride cry baby, little moab from my experience.

    Why discourage ANYONE from using PUBLIC land. Those people that live up there have no more rights to public use land then you or I. But they do have all the rights to their private land. Instead of complaining you guys should be encouraging people to help maintain the trail (stay on it), follow the rules and stay off of private land. There is always going to be the idiots that rip up the road going 40mph, it might be a bike shuttle, it might be the people that paraglide from behind the house at the top.

    Trying to blame all of the problems on people that shuttle....
    Blame the people that cut through the marked areas, and take shits on the trail.

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    Syncline

    Just drove by syncline... awesome the parking lot is empty. I love riding there during the week. The problem is syncline is the only game in town. I heard something about riding in the dalles. I am interested in exploring that option.

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    Well said SB.

    If we as a user group continue the divisiveness, we all lose. Most people I know and ride with do not fit into a marketed mtb category any longer; we ride everything and proudly call ourselves mountain bikers!
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    I agree if everybody drove slowly and did turn down the bass etc... Things would be better.
    It was me who kidded your friend about shuttling. We then shot the ****. I did not look foolish. Just trying to be friendly.

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    Gorgedude, it does sound like it ended better than it started and good on you for that! I know exactly what went down, I guess your motivation or why/how you started the dialogue is the part that bothers me, but you could be on a friendly mission to educate and I can't fault you for that. I just suggest that you interact in a different way with folks is all and this will get the younger shredders to be more receptive to your concerns in regards to losing access etc.

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    How it went down

    How do you know if you where not there? You are only getting half the story.
    The best thing I can do is not ride there on the weekends and not read this forum

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    True true Dude. "The best thing I can do is not ride there on the weekends and not read this forum"

    Sad, I feel the same way man.
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    I rode Sat (with half of PDX) and again today (heavenly) and both days my interactions with hikers were great. Vibes were good since the weather was actually Spring like. Every one of them yielded the path, even when I was already preparing to yield to them. Guess interactions are a crap shoot like anything else.

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    New question here. How's it looking today/tomorrow?

    I'm likely heading up. Sun's out, hoping things are drying out a tiny bit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    I'm likely heading up. Sun's out, hoping things are drying out a tiny bit...
    Much appreciation if you can circle back with a post ride condition report. I'd like to head Syncline way this weekend if the trails are holding up.

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    Rode there today, trails are fine. Only real mud was on the upper part of the road climb where it reroutes. But with the wind blowing like it was, probably dry by now. Still some water running across the road in spots, but all par for the course for April.

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    Yeah, trails were lovely. Lotta cars in the parking area (15?) but not too many folks on the trail. Friendly hikers and a few riders. Good day.
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    Sweet. My son has Soccer and Lacrosse on Sat., so hopefully the conditions hold for Sunday.

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    Hopefully the freeze this morning doesn't create the freeze/thaw mud. If so, it will be a mucky mess.
    I bet Syncline was a zoo today. It is really too bad but with Sandy, Scappy, and other trails under snow Syncline is just about it. I rode up Rocky Point Road today on my road bike and there were only two cars. A red sign was on Gate 2 stating you can't ride in there. It is going to be a late ride year due to all the snow.
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    I did the loop riding all the way up to the short cut by the brown house, to the roads up at the top by the vineyard (to where the black Chow Chow always barks), to cry baby, then over to the connector trail through Kreb's Farm and down Coyote. No snow at all and pretty much perfect conditions.

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    Go west young man. Wilson River Trail was perfect and I had it all to myself. Elk Creek to the lower bridge past the forestry center is in great shape. It was nice to ride a mtb in the sun. First off road ride since the January/February "nice weather period". OT, I mentioned Wilson on this thread because my neighbor spends the weekends in HR an has reported about the parking situation at Syncline....CROWDED. My kin of lonely on the Wilson River!
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