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    Rode Sandy Ridge this morning, haven't ridden out there for a month or so and Hide and Seek is one beat down MF'er...Blown out corners, brake bumps into the corners and in the middle of berms, multiple lines around rocks and roots on the upper trail and people are even cutting the corners on the paver section on lower Hide and Seek.

    I wonder how she'll hold up to the final stage of the Oregon Enduro Series? Not well, I'm sure.

    I still enjoyed the trail, but damn, people need to ride within there skill level.
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    I did hear machinery above the road near the midway drop-in on Hide and Seek. Can't wait to see what they're building.
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    these late season trail conditions make me appreciate my 6" travel ride a lot more!

    anybody know when the next trail maintence day is scheduled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by etacata View Post
    anybody know when the next trail maintence day is scheduled?
    I'd bet when the rains start.
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    It always seem blown up to me. I'm glad the microwave trail has been built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Rode Sandy Ridge this morning, haven't ridden out there for a month or so and Hide and Seek is one beat down MF'er...Blown out corners, brake bumps into the corners and in the middle of berms, multiple lines around rocks and roots on the upper trail and people are even cutting the corners on the paver section on lower Hide and Seek.

    I wonder how she'll hold up to the final stage of the Oregon Enduro Series? Not well, I'm sure.

    I still enjoyed the trail, but damn, people need to ride within there skill level.
    I thought that it was in very poor shape on my last excursion. Due as much to the skill level as the lack of moisture. I believe that many riders are way over there head here. Who attempted to remove that large tree root on Hide & Seek? That reminded me of the "whimpification" of Browns Camp. Thanks for the warning. I had told myself that a trip back must include at least a bit of moisture. Bad manners are the default I suppose.
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    Rode it today. And it... was... glorious! Sure, the track has it's share of braking bumps, but still faster and flowy-ier than anything else in the area. Rode Communcation Breakdown for the first time today. Not sure it's worth the extra little bit of climbing.

    Speaking of over my head, I'm only 1 for 4 on that rock drop at the beginning of Two Turntables. Once didn't have enough speed and twice missed the line by bowling over the rocks on the left. Is it just me or do both of the run-ins to the rock drops at Sandy make them harder than they should be?!

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    It's just a very popular option now for Portland folks. Given the packed parking lot every weekend, dry summer, I'd say I'm pleasantly surprised with how Sandy Ridge is holding up. Sure it's a bit thrashed, but it's been getting heavy use all summer.
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    The other day I actually tried connecting with Communication Breakdown off of QuidProFlow. CB peaks in the middle so you do have a little downhill coming back around to the Rock Drop descent. Not a bad way to add a little miles if its not crowded out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    It's just a very popular option now for Portland folks. Given the packed parking lot every weekend, dry summer, I'd say I'm pleasantly surprised with how Sandy Ridge is holding up. Sure it's a bit thrashed, but it's been getting heavy use all summer.
    True, but why the obstacle removal? If you can't ride it that does not give license to dumb it down. Maybe some rear brakes should be disconnected too. Does popularity excuse the new spider web trails as well?
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    Dumbing down is never OK

    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    True, but why the obstacle removal? If you can't ride it that does not give license to dumb it down.
    Agreed. I wonder if the removal of obstacles is official or unofficial? Either way, it's weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    True, but why the obstacle removal? If you can't ride it that does not give license to dumb it down. Maybe some rear brakes should be disconnected too. Does popularity excuse the new spider web trails as well?
    The root removed you speak of was more than likely done to allow for continued/non-altered speed on upper H&S, as the goal of design is to be a "flow" trail with consistent speed from top to bottom and why it is one-way recommended traffic as well (the trail was originally intended for flow and speed) Whereas, QPF, Two Turntables trails offer a little more tech and the new trail section on the NE side of Rd. 14 is suppose to be even more naturally techy with bigger stuff to ride as well. Will be awesome when done as it starts at top of H&S (across from kiosk) to just below the connector to lower H&S on opposite side of Rd. I looked up at that location the last time I was there where trail is flagged off of Rd and could see a huge natural rock drop slab (with ride around options of course )
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    The root removed you speak of was more than likely done to allow for continued/non-altered speed on upper H&S, as the goal of design is to be a "flow" trail with consistent speed from top to bottom and why it is one-way recommended traffic as well (the trail was originally intended for flow and speed) Whereas, QPF, Two Turntables trails offer a little more tech and the new trail section on the NE side of Rd. 14 is suppose to be even more naturally techy with bigger stuff to ride as well. Will be awesome when done as it starts at top of H&S (across from kiosk) to just below the connector to lower H&S on opposite side of Rd. I looked up at that location the last time I was there where trail is flagged off of Rd and could see a huge natural rock drop slab (with ride around options of course )
    The quality of the work just did not match everything else on Sandy. The root was easily jumped with speed as my best ally. It appeared to have been done by someone with less direction. I was certainly not *****in' about tech features as they have existed. It just plain looks like "this one root really messes with my line". I am sure that you, for instance, have never been hampered by this root... seriously. OT... I really enjoy Sandy Ridge... looking forward to late fall up there.
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    I miss that root. There was something enjoyable about using it to jump that whole section or just plowing over it. Thanks to whoever doesn't have the balls to learn how to ride a trail properly we all suffer. I'm looking forward to the new trail if its truly going to be a tech advanced trail. Any word on when it will be done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I miss that root. There was something enjoyable about using it to jump that whole section or just plowing over it. Thanks to whoever doesn't have the balls to learn how to ride a trail properly we all suffer. I'm looking forward to the new trail if its truly going to be a tech advanced trail. Any word on when it will be done?
    Same root? I too miss the small rock-faced root launch on left of trail about 1/4 mile above bridge as you approach a straight-away section at speed after a couple speedy s-turn sections (just before where Two Turntables use to unofficiaclly come out before the lower section was completed). I use to love launching off that at speed into with enough speed and momentum to not have to pedal all the way to oncoming corner after the longish bumpy/stuttery straightaway section. The big root that was a a total speed trap above this, required one to have to slow down and pedal/hop up and over. This was right after the somewhat newly sanitized rocky section before left turn that is better and faster now since revised IMO as well. And yes I have got my tire hung up on that root a time or two, once during the 2010 Super D. Bad enough, that I was totally off the bike and fumbling for seconds to get bike re-oriented between the trees and back on the trail. Somehow was able to place 1st in my Cat to my surprise, must of made up for it on the other sections .
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    True, but why the obstacle removal? If you can't ride it that does not give license to dumb it down. Maybe some rear brakes should be disconnected too. Does popularity excuse the new spider web trails as well?
    I find it funny that many of the root/rock ride-a-round routes are harder than just going over the rock/root, even rolling them at moderate speed.
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    I've ridden Sandy Ridge quite a bit this year and it is noticeable how worn the trail is getting compared to earlier in the season. The blown out corners and brake bumps I can live with, but I can't believe people are short cutting through the paver section.

    Don't get me wrong, there's nothing up there that is bad, but I have to say my favorite section of trail at Sandy Ridge is the Upper section of Hide and Seek from the kiosk to the midway drop-in, I love the rocky rooty stuff. And that man made rocky section on Quid Pro Flow is damn good too. If the rumors are true about the new trail being super technical, I wouldn't be more happy.

    And IMO, speed is what makes TT&M technical, the trail is nothing at lower speeds, but take it up a notch, and the whoops and little g-outs change the trail characteristics very fast. I've found the opposite with upper Hide & Seek, the more I learn the trail the faster I've been riding it and with more speed it seems much easier.
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    TT&M sure is fun at speed. Can't wait till fall when I can rip that trail in damp conditions. All that wet rock will be SOOO fun! Is it me or did the trail wreckers dumb down the dropping big right turn on upper HS. That has a nice rocky elevation drop into a rocky right cornered berm. If you choose the right line with enough speed you can just about jump half the section landing in the sweet spot of the berm. I'd also note that the berms on QPF that are starting to show baby heads are a blast on a 6'' bike. I really hope they leave them alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    TT&M sure is fun at speed. Can't wait till fall when I can rip that trail in damp conditions. All that wet rock will be SOOO fun! Is it me or did the trail wreckers dumb down the dropping big right turn on upper HS. That has a nice rocky elevation drop into a rocky right cornered berm. If you choose the right line with enough speed you can just about jump half the section landing in the sweet spot of the berm. I'd also note that the berms on QPF that are starting to show baby heads are a blast on a 6'' bike. I really hope they leave them alone.
    I could not agree more about TT&M at speed. It is the only place up there that I don't want to be on the HT SSPD. Suspension and 8" rotors fit so well on this section. Cheers to that moisture element too!
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    Agreed: TT&M at speed = pure pleasure

    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    I could not agree more about TT&M at speed.
    It's over too fast, but it's so nice while it lasts. Well done to those who built it and PLEASE don't sanitize it!
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    Rode Sandy Friday after work and yeah it's pretty blown out (not much more than this time last year though). A lot of guys there getting in some practice runs for the race, and this will obviously add to how blown out it will get. Not sure I understand the concept of shuttle days or events held on our fragile local trails that just kill them for the rest of us. Can someone explain that to me? Don't even get me started on the genius idea of throwing 3/4 rock down everywhere.

    Also to anybody that is or knows anybody who is cutting the roots out of Browns camp please STOP! There are very few challenges on our trails and if I catch anybody robbing me of them your tools are getting tossed down the ravine. Have a nice day.

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    Crying shame about browns camp. I can't speak for events being held on our local trails as I partake in those events. I will say that some event organizers plan trial maintenance as part of using the trails.

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    I rode Sandy today and yes there are some major braking pot holes appearing all over the place. Lower Hide and Seek has been getting these for a while, but today I noticed that 2 Turntables is getting beat up by brake happy folks. This is most definitely from novice riders riding the breaks way too much most definitely, but today I was riding close to some so called expert or advanced riders that are here for the race tomorrow and they were skidding all over the place as well.

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    Area is getting hammered by over use, bad winter weather, and so so dirt. Great effort! I do wonder if it should be closed more when it becomes hammered by winter weather. I'm not convinced that skidding is the major problem but I am not an expert on such things....

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    Quote Originally Posted by big JC View Post
    Rode Sandy Friday after work and yeah it's pretty blown out (not much more than this time last year though). A lot of guys there getting in some practice runs for the race, and this will obviously add to how blown out it will get. Not sure I understand the concept of shuttle days or events held on our fragile local trails that just kill them for the rest of us. Can someone explain that to me? Don't even get me started on the genius idea of throwing 3/4 rock down everywhere.

    Also to anybody that is or knows anybody who is cutting the roots out of Browns camp please STOP! There are very few challenges on our trails and if I catch anybody robbing me of them your tools are getting tossed down the ravine. Have a nice day.
    Are you serious... I did not think that there was anything left to remove? What a shame.When roots and rocks are removed the trail will not remain intact. Don't they get it. They think that the root took them out... wait 'til the giant rut dislocates there shoulder! All the suspension out there and people need to do this? The brake drag is what makes the brake bumps, btw. The shuttle thing is kinda cute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big JC View Post
    Rode Sandy Friday after work and yeah it's pretty blown out (not much more than this time last year though).
    About this time last year I had bounced my head off of a tree, so I don't have much to compare this year too.

    Quote Originally Posted by big JC View Post
    A lot of guys there getting in some practice runs for the race, and this will obviously add to how blown out it will get. Not sure I understand the concept of shuttle days or events held on our fragile local trails that just kill them for the rest of us. Can someone explain that to me?
    I'm kind of torn on on this one...On one hand, all the extra tires can't be a good thing, but on the other, I do believe the race promoters usually do give back.

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    Don't even get me started on the genius idea of throwing 3/4 rock down everywhere.
    I agree with you here, but it is much better than it was earlier in the year. That section under the power lines sure is loose with the rock over the top of the hard pack.

    Quote Originally Posted by big JC View Post
    Also to anybody that is or knows anybody who is cutting the roots out of Browns camp please STOP! There are very few challenges on our trails and if I catch anybody robbing me of them your tools are getting tossed down the ravine. Have a nice day.
    This is too bad.


    If anybody wants to ride some super technical trails, I'm hoping to get up to the Wright Meadow and Craggy Peak trails in late September, as long as it doesn't start raining before then. I rode it in early August and hit snow about a mile before the Boundary Trail. I guarantee the descent will leave you smiling for weeks. And, yeah...If you've ever been up there, it's a bit ironic to put this in a thread whining about trail quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    About this time last year I had bounced my head off of a tree, so I don't have much to compare this year too.



    I'm kind of torn on on this one...On one hand, all the extra tires can't be a good thing, but on the other, I do believe the race promoters usually do give back.



    I agree with you here, but it is much better than it was earlier in the year. That section under the power lines sure is loose with the rock over the top of the hard pack.



    This is too bad.


    If anybody wants to ride some super technical trails, I'm hoping to get up to the Wright Meadow and Craggy Peak trails in late September, as long as it doesn't start raining before then. I rode it in early August and hit snow about a mile before the Boundary Trail. I guarantee the descent will leave you smiling for weeks. And, yeah...If you've ever been up there, it's a bit ironic to put this in a thread whining about trail quality.
    Weekends are best. I like it up there. Rain would be even better. It would be the first excursion to that area this year. pm... Snake should go as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    Weekends are best. I like it up there. Rain would be even better. It would be the first excursion to that area this year. pm... Snake should go as well
    Probably be the last weekend of September.
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    Help out a Sandy Ridge noob?

    Never been to Sandy Rdige, but picked up a map from the forest service last time I was out that way. Looks like the best place to park is Homestead Gate (I assume you can't drive up Homestead Rd)? Then you ride up Homestead to the main entrance to the trails, which looks like about 800ft climb over a couple of miles? Thanks guys!

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    I rode the system today, It is pretty damn rutted from the contest. Also, the organizers left their tape, signs, and cones all over. Pretty lame, I hope they have plans to clean up their crap but I doubt it. I think that there should be a mandatory work day post contest for any organizers that want to use the trail system.

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    pdxer, there's a new parking area for SR now so you don't park at the gate. And yes, you can't drive up Homestead. Road ride to the various trail access points.

    I rode lower H&S last week (only has a short time for a ride) and it was blown to hell, worst I've ever seen it, even after last year's race. Too bad the promoters didn't make plans for cleanup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danguskhan View Post
    I rode the system today, It is pretty damn rutted from the contest. Also, the organizers left their tape, signs, and cones all over. Pretty lame, I hope they have plans to clean up their crap but I doubt it. I think that there should be a mandatory work day post contest for any organizers that want to use the trail system.
    They were too busy driving up the "climb". Too bad... a few years back they actually improved Dog River. That lasted about two weeks. Since that event trail restoration after gravity events has been about zero. Rain and CX may provide some relief for the trails.
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    I don't think the tape and cones will just be left. The race finished about 4pm on sunday and then the event staff had to go strait into the awards that lasted till about 9pm. All of the staff for the enduro race are volunteers for the most part and they can't be expected to have it all cleaned and the trails groomed to fit everyones needs over night. I know that proceeds from the race go directly into the trails and trail programs in the area as well.

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    I rode Sandy Ridge today. It looks like the ribbon, signs and garbage (except for a huge pile in bags near the bathroom) have been cleaned up.

    I was a little surprised on the condition of the trail. It's much worse than before the Enduro race last weekend, but not nearly as bad as I was thinking it would be. There are some big, and I mean big brake bumps into some, if not all of the corners on lower Hide and Seek.

    I think I now know which root poppa is talking about. It looks like somebody went in with a ax and chopped out a small section of the root. It seems much worse now than before.

    Does anybody know if we can just go up and do work? I assume not, but I'd love to go up with a broom and sweep off the gravel on that twisty section under the power lines. On a positive note, it appears the high number of tires over the weekend did push some of it out of the groove.
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    I think we all want the gravel gone so if you pushed it out with a broom we'd all look the other way. Even some of the pro racers were complaining about the gravel.

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    I'm going to be in OR next week and Sandy Ridge is on the itinerary. I hope it's as much fun as the IMBA guy told us, and I'll be sure to lay off the brakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I think we all want the gravel gone so if you pushed it out with a broom we'd all look the other way. Even some of the pro racers were complaining about the gravel.
    I wonder if a push broom would be best or one of those old straw types?



    And to add, there was a pile of broken glass in the parking lot, I assume from a broken window.
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    Well I'm planning on hitting Sandy on the 13th - birthday night out and need a ride so I guess I'll take what I can in the way of trail conditions

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    I'm assuming the Enduro Series will either do clean up trail work or give money to NWTA. Most of the endurance events I have done have given lots of money to the local IMBA chapter. I forget how much money the High Cascade 100 gave to COTA but it was a lot.

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    I rode out there for the first time in a few months due to an injury. I actually like that it's a bit worked and blown out... adds a bit of challenge.

    The removal of that root is inexcusable though. I just couldn't believe it when I came up in that section, so sad.

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    While yes, races do give the trail lots of rubber on the ground, as mentioned, often that can almost improve the trails. The groove will be more solid, which you can't "man make". Filling some holes, that will eventually happen any way, is easier than "wearing in" a surface to make it good and fast.

    You guys should see Whoops trail here in Bend. No race traffic, but crap it looks like 50 Enduros came through here.
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    Sandy Ridge race video for all you that missed it! Devon put on a great race, check it out!

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    Anybody doing singlespeed at Sandy Ridge? Got a good recommendation for a noobie to get up the f'ing hill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yard View Post
    Anybody doing singlespeed at Sandy Ridge? Got a good recommendation for a noobie to get up the f'ing hill?
    I always ride the SSPD up there. 29'R 32X18,19,20 any choice is fine. One friend ran a 32x16, he STOOD UP ALOT.
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    Yeah I was 29er 33x17 and walked a good portion. Oops.. haha Though doing it as a shuttle would be perfect as the downhill of everything else was conducive to the gearing..

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    I make it easy on myself. I ride 32 x 22 on a 29er. At that gearing I can sit and pedal much of the uphill and I am still fine spinning coming down.
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    Been wanting to try that one...still haven't made it out there yet..

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    Anyone know the progress of the new east side trail? I haven't heard or seen any equipment up there for a while and have not seen any build days for the new trail.

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    walked up there a week ago to have a look. Nice trail! Seems like its got some technical rock sections and a few good drops,

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    I can't wait! Sandy really needs some gnar.

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