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    Better MTB location: Portland, OR or Vancouver, WA?

    Recently, I have been living in the East Sound area. I am familiar with Galbraith and Duthie to the north and east, respectively. I have also ridden in Bend, OR and Falls City, OR (Black Rock). However, aside from some Ape Canyon stuff, I have not ridden anything in the 'middle area'.

    I have an opportunity to work in Vancouver, WA and/or Portland area. Since, I prefer to pick a location based on play rather than pay, I am looking for the better location for biking. I do mostly light freeride stuff, no drops over about 6ft, no jumps more than about 10ft. I am not afraid of a full day's climb with my 45 lb freeride bike either, so local AM stuff would be great too. I am also training for an Ironman in Nov, but I don't usually do the roadie thing, so a 'Tri-culture' is not all that important.

    Any advice?

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    As far as mt biking goes, both towns are about the same. Vancouver is a little closer to 3 Corner Rock, Tarbell and the Mt St Helens stuff but Portland is closer to Scappoose, the Tillamook, Sandy Ridge and the new to be built FR area at Stub Stewart. If Portland and Vancouver are your only 2 choices, I'd base the decision on the town itself rather than the available riding, both aren't that great in regard to the riding.

    If it matters, I've lived in both towns and prefer Portland over Vancouver.
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    I'd agree with OHM that it's pretty much a wash in terms of access to true singletrack. However, even though they're not real singletrack the fireroads of Forest Park still can be an enjoyable place to ride, and at least for me that tilts the balance in favor of Portland. (Plus, from a non-riding perspective I prefer Portland because it is an urb, not a suburb like Vancouver).
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    If you can live & work in Washington you will not have to pay state income tax. That will pay for a lot of gas to travel & beer to drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorgedon
    If you can live & work in Washington you will not have to pay state income tax. That will pay for a lot of gas to travel & beer to drink.
    Yeah, and I am already licensed in WA, so that saves me a bit of hassle. Another advantage to Vancouver would be housing and room for the dog. I would have to live outside Portland and commute a bit anyway, to reaping the benefit of the city center would be limited. So, I would have to deal with traffic more in Portland. I have no idea how much Portland suburbia housing is, but I would imagine much more than Vancouver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought
    Yeah, and I am already licensed in WA, so that saves me a bit of hassle. Another advantage to Vancouver would be housing and room for the dog. I would have to live outside Portland and commute a bit anyway, to reaping the benefit of the city center would be limited. So, I would have to deal with traffic more in Portland. I have no idea how much Portland suburbia housing is, but I would imagine much more than Vancouver.
    Remember, if you work in Oregon, you will pay state income tax, even if you live in Washington. Car and driver fees are lower and easier to deal with in OR, too. (I just moved from OR to WA).
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    Yeah the GF will probably be going to school at OHSU. I can work either place. Working in WA would save several thousand in state taxes, it would probably pay most of a mortgage.

    But this isn't a decision based on money, I can weigh those decisions independently. What I don't know is whether there is significantly better riding in one location. Or perhaps a particularly good 'vibe'. So far is seems Portland would be a bit more freeride/MTB friendly. And I suppose I could run with the dog in Forest park (leash law I am sure)
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    In my opinion, there is no reason to live in Vancouver if you are not going to work there, unless you like the suburbs, but then you could live on the west side of Portland and be even closer to the riding in the Tillamook.

    As Shiggy noted, if you work in Oregon and live in Washington you will still pay state income tax, plus your commute will suck, whether on bike or car.
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    Yep, if you are commuting into Portland City Center or to OHSU from Vancouver your commute will suck both ways. It's your choice, but I would rather spend commuting time on a bike navigating Portland streets rather than being stuck in a car on I-5.
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    I live in North Bonneville, Washington. It's about a half hour into Portland or Vancouver but it's far enough out to be rural. Great trails nearby, killer brew pub & there are houses in town going for under $150K. Not sure how that fits your wish list but you could do a lot worse.

    Let me know if you want more info. No matter where you end up, I'll be happy to meet up for some rides in the Gorge & show you around a bit.

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    why would you want to live in the couv? that is a terrible idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReallyTightShorts...not
    why would you want to live in the couv? that is a terrible idea.
    Is that really the best you could muster, for your very first post on these forums??

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer
    Is that really the best you could muster, for your very first post on these forums??

    sorry bro, I didn't know that making a post on an low end internet forum to a bunch of strangers was a big event.

    besides this guy is considering the difference between living in a world class cycling city and a complete sh!thole.

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    Hmmm... Live in Portland. GF has easy commute to OHSU, I work in WA. No income tax, and no sales tax, and I get to live in Porland. Would that work?
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    30 Helens agree: Moving to the 'Couv is a terrible idea...
    There's nothing do there when you're not somewhere else riding a bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought
    Hmmm... Live in Portland. GF has easy commute to OHSU, I work in WA. No income tax, and no sales tax, and I get to live in Porland. Would that work?
    You'll still pay income tax in Oregon if you live here and work in Washington. As well as the Mult. Co. tax if you live in Multnomah county. But all the taxes on Earth beat living in Vancouver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReallyTightShorts...not
    why would you want to live in the couv? that is a terrible idea.
    I always refer to that suburb as "Vantucky".
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    I have to be the counterpoint here. I grew up in SE Portland and Milwaukie, spent my early 20's in the Hawthorne and Inner NE areas before they were cool, in fact N of Burnside was downright scary. When my wife and I got together I did NOT want to live in Vancouver. NO. Never, wouldn't turn in my license for almost 3 years.

    After living here about 16 years and selling real estate in both states for nearly 15, if I had my choice of both where to live and where to work, both would be Clark County Washington/Vancouver. Specifically, I would live on the far East side of Vancouver, East of I-205, perhaps even a Camas zip code. The two cities are almost touching now.
    Here are my reasons, and I'll try to avoid opinions if I can. (I'm sure to fail)
    1. No state income tax
    2. Easy access to no sales tax if you want. You'll still pay it on cars, but the things you buy most (groceries) are not taxed.
    3. Just as much to do in Vancouver if you know where to look, as well as fewer other people crowding you out of doing it. ~OK, this is an opinion. Let's move on.
    4. Better traffic flow (example: 3 choices to travel from E to W, I-5 to I205 vs 1 (I84) in Portland. Trust me, this is NOT an opinion. I know I can travel 20 miles across town at 5pm on a weekday in 25-30 minutes in Vancouver. I know I cannot do that in Portland. Remember, I sold RE in both states and I know my way around.
    5. Housing prices are only about 10-15% below similar areas of Portland but property taxes about 25% less for a comparable home. The disparity is larger if you rent a house, meaning you can rent more house in Vancouver for the same money due to there being fewer jobs nearby. Apartments, oddly enough, have less disparity. 2 bed/ 1&1/2 bath duplex or apartment with garage in Vancouver is going to be $750 to $900, and maybe $25-$50 more in Portland, unless you are in a high demand location.

    6. Better funded schools, which means little to you if you don't have kids, but when selling a house it MAY mean a bunch to your buyer.
    7. Lower utility costs from a rate-payer owned utility company.

    AND finally, the reason you asked about in the first place (sorry to drag this out) you are about 50 minutes from riding Lewis River, 25 to Tarbell/Larch mtn, you can scoot out hwy 14 to Syncline in about 45 minutes, HERE'S MORE . When looking at that list, any trails to the East, like hood river, Syncline and Mt Hood, take about 10 minutes off of the travel time since it starts at the I-5 crossing of the Columbia. For weekday rides/winter training and dog running, there is Lacamas Lake and I think there are trails along the Washougal River but I've never been.

    If a commute to OHSU is critical, consider Downtown Vancouver or one of the close neighborhoods (Hough, Carter Park, Uptown VIllage). All of these will allow one to jump across the bridge on a bike (about 10-15 mins), get on the max and be at OHSU in 25 to 30 minutes without a car to park.

    I'm sure others will disagree, but if you are going to disagree, please have the respect to try and use facts rather than opinions.

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    From a mtb perspective, you'll end up commuting to play from either town. Portland would put you a bit closer to Falls City, Vancouver will put you closer to other trails. Either way, you're driving to get to the trails.

    I'd put way more emphasis on the other aspects of living in either place. Unless you have a particular trail that you are really fond of, I'm not sure the mtb difference would be enough to be a tie breaker.

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    Love all the uppity P-towners that hate Vancouver. Comedy. Like P-town doesn't have it's share of meth heads, homeless and white trash. Give me a break.

    Vancouver isn't anything special and I wouldn't argue that is has any real culture but it is not the "hell on earth" that some on here portray it to be.

    I have to agree with Fastboy...better schools(can't argue this Portland), better traffic, no income tax if you work in WA, no massive county taxes(Multnomah). The commute for your wife to OHSU could be problematic though if she doesn't like public transportation.

    You have to drive to all the trails from P-town just like Vancouver. Forest Park is not a valid mtb destination nor will it ever be. World Class Biking City? For commuters maybe but not for mtb's. At least in Vancouver you are 30 minutes from Tarbell and Cold Creek which IMO are better trails than the Scapoose network on either side of the road...real singletrack in a far more wild setting. Nothing in Portland is that close, including the new Sandy Ridge area.

    Neither place will you be able to ride singletrack from your doorstep....it's all a significant drive away.

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    You will probably end up doing the same rides no matter which city you decide to live in. Sometimes it will take you 15min more to get to them and sometimes it will take 15min less.

    I mostly wanted to pipe in to say that the commute from Vancouver to OHSU would be brutal. It is one of the worst in the area.

    Oh, there is currently NO Multnomah county income tax. Other posters are incorrect on that.
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    There will be advantages and disadvantages to living anywhere in the Metro/Clark County region for biking access. As stated, living in Clark County means less traffic and shorter drive to Washington biking, but longer to Oregon. But the same would go for living in beaverton (closer to Tillamook County rides) versus living in Gresham (closer to Hood River riding). In my opinion, however, closer access to Larch/Tarbell/etc. is not worth living in Vancouver. But I would also never choose to live in Gresham just because its closer to Mt. Hood. I would really pick the city you would want to live in. The biking benefits of vancouver versus portland really aren't significant enough, imo, to tip the scale one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage
    You'll still pay income tax in Oregon if you live here and work in Washington. As well as the Mult. Co. tax if you live in Multnomah county. But all the taxes on Earth beat living in Vancouver.
    The Multnomah county income tax was only in effect for 3 years. It expired in 2005.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlowBoy
    The Multnomah county income tax was only in effect for 3 years. It expired in 2005.

    No kidding...? Damn, I thought I was being sneaky and getting away without paying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpunk7
    World Class Biking City? For commuters maybe but not for mtb's.

    Agreed... When Oregon jacks up it's licensing fees to 200% the value of a new vehicle and throws in a $2 per gallon gas tax, then we can claim the right to compare ourselves to bike friendly Amsterdam or some Scandinavian city. For now we're just a severly confused and misguided city with the wackiest ideas for traffic control...
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    Both are giant turds

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    I gotta agree with the guys on the traffic sucking in Portland...Dealing with all the Vancouverites coming over here to work and purchase our tax free commodities.
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    The Couv may not be....

    a sh!thole, but it doesn't come close to comparing to Portland. Portland is an amazing city, and if you enjoy high quality city life you will love it here. Great parks, great food, great music scene, great hangouts, and yes I can argue the schools Dirt Punk. Portland has it's share of educational issues (much like the rest of the country during these times), but it also has some great public schools.
    In-town mtb'ing, now that is a problem.....
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    Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by free-agent
    a sh!thole, but it doesn't come close to comparing to Portland. Portland is an amazing city, and if you enjoy high quality city life you will love it here. Great parks, great food, great music scene, great hangouts, and yes I can argue the schools Dirt Punk. Portland has it's share of educational issues (much like the rest of the country during these times), but it also has some great public schools.
    In-town mtb'ing, now that is a problem.....
    It is pretty for a city but it has CRAPPY weather, horrible traffic, insane,income tax, and is a tough place to find any work. But, yes it is a pretty livable city. I'm just not a city type person. Give me a little house in Lyle and I'm a happy camper.

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    Dude...really....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo
    It is pretty for a city but it has CRAPPY weather, horrible traffic, insane,income tax, and is a tough place to find any work. But, yes it is a pretty livable city. I'm just not a city type person. Give me a little house in Lyle and I'm a happy camper.
    Portland weather is pretty good compared to much of the US. After spending six years in NorCal Portland traffic is a breeze, even compared to Seattle it's easy traffic. Income tax in Portland is the same for anywhere in Oregon. Sadly, yes, it can be tough to find work in Portland, but I can assure you it's probably the easiest place to find employment in the state. Oregon has always been a tough place to find work and many here depend on some, if not all of their work, coming from other states.

    Now back to the OP, do what you feel comfortable with. If you like living in the suburbs then Vancouver might be your place. However, many that move to the region come for the livability of Portland neighborhoods. That means you can walk or bike to restaurants, pubs, grocery stores, etc. Portland's public transportation system is also excellent and many choose it to commute and get around town. There are many people in Portland that get rid of their cars although, a bit extreme for me, but it works for some.

    I am fortunate enough to live in an area where I can do almost everything I need within a short walk or bike ride. The only time I really need to get in the car is the hit the grocery store, only because I have a family of four and one of them is a teenager who can eat more than I.

    PS: the roadie culture is very big here, so you can get hooked up with several different groups to work on your tri conditioning.
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    Portland hipster-pixies on their effing fixies and flipped-bill trucker hats are making Gresham look pretty good right about now.

    Beaverton? Now that's another ball of worms. I'd sooner live in the 'Couv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrogeek
    Portland weather is pretty good compared to much of the US. After spending six years in NorCal Portland traffic is a breeze, even compared to Seattle it's easy traffic. Income tax in Portland is the same for anywhere in Oregon. Sadly, yes, it can be tough to find work in Portland, but I can assure you it's probably the easiest place to find employment in the state. Oregon has always been a tough place to find work and many here depend on some, if not all of their work, coming from other states.

    Now back to the OP, do what you feel comfortable with. If you like living in the suburbs then Vancouver might be your place. However, many that move to the region come for the livability of Portland neighborhoods. That means you can walk or bike to restaurants, pubs, grocery stores, etc. Portland's public transportation system is also excellent and many choose it to commute and get around town. There are many people in Portland that get rid of their cars although, a bit extreme for me, but it works for some.

    I am fortunate enough to live in an area where I can do almost everything I need within a short walk or bike ride. The only time I really need to get in the car is the hit the grocery store, only because I have a family of four and one of them is a teenager who can eat more than I.

    PS: the roadie culture is very big here, so you can get hooked up with several different groups to work on your tri conditioning.
    It is a livable city for sure but I'm a mountain biker and a rural living lover, so PDX is not my dream place. Nonetheless, I live here so I make it work and enjoy it. I can't agree on the weather. It SUCKS!!!! I have lived in Texas, North Dakota, and prefer both those climates because of the sunshine. I just get fatigued by 50 and rain. But, you are right about the livability of this town.

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    Portland rules...I'm not arguing that at all...it has so many things that Vancouver does not...mostly culture. But I had to defend Vancouver and people who enjoy a more rural lifestyle.
    60 square miles of concrete doesn't make anything more "livable" IMO.
    Just more people and more traffic but I'm probably in the minority there.
    Portland is beautiful and full of vibrant people and culture and far more interesting than Vancouver.
    But living in Portland can also mean living in Clackamas, Beaverton, Tigard and those are all suburbs themselves. Vancouver definitely compares favorably to these places for the traffic alone.

    I'm no expert on our local public schools but it is common knowledge that WA schools are better than Oregons right now. In the future who knows, but Oregon does not fund their schools well, that is a fact. I'm sure there are exceptions but overall WA schools are better funded.
    The county taxes I was referring to were property taxes which are far higher in the Portland counties than in Vancouver. I omitted the type of tax unintentionally, my bad.

    Doesn't mean I think Vancouver is better than Portland, it is not. But it is not as completely one sided as others would have you believe. Not everyone wants to live in a city. I love being right there to visit it whenever I want but appreciate a more rural surrounding. It's a personal preference.

    Again, I'm in the minority but both sides to the debate needed to be fleshed out. For riding alone neither has an advantage...you have to drive a bare minimum of 30 minutes regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpunk7
    Portland rules...I'm not arguing that at all...it has so many things that Vancouver does not...mostly culture. But I had to defend Vancouver and people who enjoy a more rural lifestyle.
    60 square miles of concrete doesn't make anything more "livable" IMO.
    Just more people and more traffic but I'm probably in the minority there.
    Portland is beautiful and full of vibrant people and culture and far more interesting than Vancouver.
    But living in Portland can also mean living in Clackamas, Beaverton, Tigard and those are all suburbs themselves. Vancouver definitely compares favorably to these places for the traffic alone.

    I'm no expert on our local public schools but it is common knowledge that WA schools are better than Oregons right now. In the future who knows, but Oregon does not fund their schools well, that is a fact. I'm sure there are exceptions but overall WA schools are better funded.
    The county taxes I was referring to were property taxes which are far higher in the Portland counties than in Vancouver. I omitted the type of tax unintentionally, my bad.

    Doesn't mean I think Vancouver is better than Portland, it is not. But it is not as completely one sided as others would have you believe. Not everyone wants to live in a city. I love being right there to visit it whenever I want but appreciate a more rural surrounding. It's a personal preference.

    Again, I'm in the minority but both sides to the debate needed to be fleshed out. For riding alone neither has an advantage...you have to drive a bare minimum of 30 minutes regardless.

    I would rather live in Vancouver then PDX any day of the week and twice or three times on Sunday. Go down to Sellwood and just enjoy all that traffic and crap going on. Ugh! It is suffocating!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo
    I would rather live in Vancouver then PDX any day of the week and twice or three times on Sunday. Go down to Sellwood and just enjoy all that traffic and crap going on. Ugh! It is suffocating!!!!
    People who live in Sellwood, hang out in there yards on weekends... All that traffic comes from the suburb people passing through to experience the "quaintness" of the neighborhood and do some antique shopping.
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    "I can't agree on the weather. It SUCKS!!!! I have lived in Texas, North Dakota, and prefer both those climates because of the sunshine"

    Yes, the weather isn't the most ideal for regular riding everyday here, like places down south of course. But, what other place can you ride year round in the northern states? I have averaged about three good trail rides/week this year in between the really wet days. You don't get that in North Dakota and many other northern or high elevated locations.

    I had a good ride today and a great ride on Wednesday after work and tomorrow should be a good one too! Not bad for the monsoon season in the NW, I'll take this year's weather here every year if I could. I love El Nino winters/spring in the NW!
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    Me too

    This winter has been great! A great winter. The ride at Syncline today was good but there were a TON of hikers with sticks going up and down Coyote--talking about screwing up flow. I bet there was 30 cars there today. The area is getting loved to death.

    North Dakota and Texas suck for mountain biking. No doubt but the sunshine was nice.

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    This is great. Don't you guys have anything better to do? I usually don't answer theses because of the sticky(which apparently nobody reads). To the OP, which do you prefer city or suburbia? PDX and Van are pretty much the same distance to the trails. Rock on!!!

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