AM tires for the PNW?

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  • 12-09-2012
    Hoban
    AM tires for the PNW?
    I recently got a FS 5 inch travel bike and it came with 2.35 tires on it. They are Bell Kingpins 2.35s (quite a nice tire actually) and I really love the larger sized tires. Used to use Panaracer 2.1s on my hardtail but they are small.

    I got a Kenda Excavator Stick-E wire bead and put it on the front to try, but holy hell is it heavy! Probably going to try the foldable versions since they are half the weight.

    I've ridden the rocky trails out at Syncline with no problems with my foldable Bells, but have pinch flatted the smaller Panaracers a couple times hitting stuff too hard. I also like to hit the jumps at Sandy and Stub Stewart. I feel I can hit the technical stuff pretty hard and fast.

    Being that I'm 200 pounds and have a 30 pound bike, am I pushing my luck running the foldables? What do you run?
  • 12-09-2012
    etacata
    Hi, first off i'd ditch the tubes and go tubeless, you wont regret it!

    I got a good deal on some maxxis highroller 2's about a month ago and really like them. Aggressive side knobs help dig into the soft PNW soaked soil. You will feel the rolling resistance as you ride them but i like a good big tread tire that can dig in through all the leaves and much for winter riding. I got the terrafirm version that has thicker sidewalls. Think this is my new tire.

    I was riding kenda knevagals, and knobby nics before trying the HR 2's.

    There are a ton of good all mountain tire available to riders now.

    cb
  • 12-09-2012
    Hoban
    Not going tubeless on this bike, the rims I have aren't good for it. Next one for sure

    Anyone 200 pounds riding the lighter foldable versions of these tires hard?
  • 12-09-2012
    etacata
    i converted some mavic 317 rims that were narrow with the stans strips and never had a problem. I weigh about 190. Just saying....
  • 12-09-2012
    JMW503
    I'm a Conti fan and love trail kings. With your size, I'd recommend the Protection 2.4s. Weight is in the ~800 gram range with lots of volume. Maxxis minions would serve you as well.
  • 12-09-2012
    Bike Whisperer
    Folding tires have nothing to do with pinch flatting. The casing thickness has more to do with pinching. The casing on the Bell (made by Maxxis's parent company CST) are fine for AM riding, you just either need to bump up the pressure, go with thicker tubes like Maxxis Welterweight, or convert to tubeless.
  • 12-09-2012
    Hoban
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    I'm a Conti fan and love trail kings. With your size, I'd recommend the Protection 2.4s. Weight is in the ~800 gram range with lots of volume. Maxxis minions would serve you as well.

    I'll look into them, the weight sounds good. They good good online too.

    In the Nevegals and Excavators the wire bead it twice the weight (1200vs 600grams). It's crazy how heavy they are.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bike Whisperer View Post
    Folding tires have nothing to do with pinch flatting. The casing thickness has more to do with pinching. The casing on the Bell (made by Maxxis's parent company CST) are fine for AM riding, you just either need to bump up the pressure, go with thicker tubes like Maxxis Welterweight, or convert to tubeless.

    What are the cons/benefits of folding versus wire bead?


    And for the record I have not pinch flatted the Bell's, they've been really great. They just fall off a little in the wet/slippery conditions a bit.
  • 12-10-2012
    DRSpalding
    Folding beads don't use wire--they use Aramid or Kevlar fiber for the integrity of the bead. Foldable means you can put 'em in your pack and they are lighter. They are probably easier to seat the bead too for tubeless, as well as just getting installed on the rim in general.
  • 12-12-2012
    yukonjak
    I second the conti's. I run the mountain king 2, with 2.4 in front and 2.2 in the rear. They have been great and the narrower one in the rear helps dig in on the mucky climbs.
  • 12-13-2012
    elistan
    minion dh'fs are fantastic out here. If they make the dhr2 in a 2.35, i sure hope they do soon, i will change to that tire.

    If you corner hard you cannot run tubeless with low pressure to actually rail corners.
  • 12-13-2012
    Sparticus
    26" or 29" wheels?

    I'd say Maxxis Minions DHF/DHR (actually the DHF makes for a good tire f&r) but right now they're only available in 26". BUT... being a tire tester for Maxxis I can tell you that I've been testing 29" versions since summer and they are excellent high volume tires. But not lightweight. DHF = 2.5", DHR = 2.3". I'll be surprised if the 29" versions aren't available in LBS by springtime.
  • 12-13-2012
    elistan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    26" or 29" wheels?

    I'd say Maxxis Minions DHF/DHR (actually the DHF makes for a good tire f&r) but right now they're only available in 26". BUT... being a tire tester for Maxxis I can tell you that I've been testing 29" versions since summer and they are excellent high volume tires. But not lightweight. DHF = 2.5", DHR = 2.3". I'll be surprised if the 29" versions aren't available in LBS by springtime.

    please have them make a 26*2.35 version of the dhr2!
  • 12-15-2012
    DJ Giggity
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hoban View Post
    I recently got a FS 5 inch travel bike and it came with 2.35 tires on it. They are Bell Kingpins 2.35s (quite a nice tire actually) and I really love the larger sized tires. Used to use Panaracer 2.1s on my hardtail but they are small.

    I got a Kenda Excavator Stick-E wire bead and put it on the front to try, but holy hell is it heavy! Probably going to try the foldable versions since they are half the weight.

    I've ridden the rocky trails out at Syncline with no problems with my foldable Bells, but have pinch flatted the smaller Panaracers a couple times hitting stuff too hard. I also like to hit the jumps at Sandy and Stub Stewart. I feel I can hit the technical stuff pretty hard and fast.

    Being that I'm 200 pounds and have a 30 pound bike, am I pushing my luck running the foldables? What do you run?

    Start with a good mid weight casing. Your best bet is going to be the Maxxis EXO casing or the Schwalbe Freeride casing. They split the difference between the light weight tires and the heavy tires.

    For the rear, the 2.4 High Roller II is really good in all conditions. For the front, go with a 2.5 DHF 3C for dry conditions or a 2.35 Muddy Mary Vertstar for wet conditions. All are stupid expensive but they work awesome. The excavator is a good rear tire. I haven't tried it on the front but I would expect better traction at a much lower weight with the DHF or MM. They will also roll slightly better.

    For elistan - The casing size is different between the DHF and the DHR II. The 2.4 DHR II is pretty comparable to the 2.5 DHF. It is also comparable to other manufacturer's 2.35s. If you are looking to something similar to the size to the DHF 2.35 they would probably call it a 2.25 under the new system. Sparty can correct me if I am wrong.
  • 12-15-2012
    Uncle Cliffy
    Personally, I've destroyed standard and UST versions of the Conti Trail Kings. I'm 200lbs, and they like to form holes that let the air out. ;)

    I've been on Minion DHF's EXOs tubeless for over a year now and haven't looked back...
  • 12-21-2012
    thorkild
    Minion DHF is the single best tire I have ever used across a wide range of conditions other than xc racing. There some specialist tires which work better in certain conditions, but nothing that covers such a broad range so well.