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    I climbed Mrazek on Saturday and there were a couple of really big trees, then snow so I turned around and headed back down. Not sure what you call that part of the trail but you can see the turn around point on Strava if you're familiar with it: Mountain Bike Ride Profile | You Can't Get There Without Snow Shoes near Bend | Times and Records | Strava

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dat Haole View Post
    I climbed Mrazek on Saturday and there were a couple of really big trees, then snow so I turned around and headed back down. Not sure what you call that part of the trail but you can see the turn around point on Strava if you're familiar with it: Mountain Bike Ride Profile | You Can't Get There Without Snow Shoes near Bend | Times and Records | Strava
    apparently those are getting cleared very soon according to a post on Facebook from the central oregon runners something or other. They called the FS i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    I would think 50+ would be a tad boring now, with all the great trails still buried by snow. Lots and lots of Phil's-ish endless loops. Nothing wrong with lower-elevation loops, though, I suppose.
    Loops are completely fine if the options are still limited. I might check out Horse Ridge or Horse Butte as well. Anything to get me out of the miserable slop around Portland. I just can't do the mud anymore.

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    Few trees down on Upper Whoops. Tried to take Sector 16 (South), but ran into several large trees about a 1/3rd mile in. Wasn't any snow, but I am sure lots of trees down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by economatic View Post
    Anything to get me out of the miserable slop around Portland. I just can't do the mud anymore.
    +1

    I'm getting out of the wet side here this Friday and heading to Sisters/Bend for a couple of days of dry times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Side View Post
    Few trees down on Upper Whoops. Tried to take Sector 16 (South), but ran into several large trees about a 1/3rd mile in. Wasn't any snow, but I am sure lots of trees down.
    Is Upper Whoops snow-free?

    Does anyone have any further 411 on snow conditions? I'm already getting a little tired of Storm King. Want a new, good, dry ride. Am willing to bike up to the Sector 16 nether regions (where the tree mess begins) if the snow is gone.

    Also, does anyone know if the running club has cleared that part of Mrazek mentioned above? How far can one get tree-and-snow free?

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    Anyone tried Tiddlywinks in the last week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Is Upper Whoops snow-free?

    Does anyone have any further 411 on snow conditions? I'm already getting a little tired of Storm King. Want a new, good, dry ride. Am willing to bike up to the Sector 16 nether regions (where the tree mess begins) if the snow is gone.

    Also, does anyone know if the running club has cleared that part of Mrazek mentioned above? How far can one get tree-and-snow free?
    Snow is basically gone i believe. 3 trees down.

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    I'll answer my original question: No, the trail conditions on the COTA website are not current. A lot more open than what it said, which is a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjMarS View Post
    Anyone tried Tiddlywinks in the last week?
    I climbed up to the snow on Saturday afternoon. I can't tell you exactly how far up since I'm not that familiar with the trail but it was maybe a half mile past where COTA was doing trail maintenance, if that helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    +1

    I'm getting out of the wet side here this Friday and heading to Sisters/Bend for a couple of days of dry times.
    It was well worth the drive. I logged over 100 miles last weekend and I'm doing it again this weekend with more mileage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by economatic View Post
    Loops are completely fine if the options are still limited. I might check out Horse Ridge or Horse Butte as well. Anything to get me out of the miserable slop around Portland. I just can't do the mud anymore.
    What is Horse Ridge like? My parents live near there, and I'll be in town for the PPP this weekend. Wondering if it's worth throwing the bike in the truck and riding for a bit. Any preferred loops? My searches have been a bit fruitless, other than to go down the "Most Difficult" marked trail.
    Thanks!

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    Sorry, I didn't make it to Horse Ridge last weekend since so many other trails are open. I'm sure many others can chime in though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTT77 View Post
    What is Horse Ridge like? My parents live near there, and I'll be in town for the PPP this weekend. Wondering if it's worth throwing the bike in the truck and riding for a bit. Any preferred loops? My searches have been a bit fruitless, other than to go down the "Most Difficult" marked trail.
    Thanks!
    Horse ridge is probably getting a little dry and dusty at this point, but that said it's definitely worth a ride. great stuff over there. Best bet is to log on to Strava and click explore and look at all the loops and trails out there. It's very technical FYI

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjMarS View Post
    Anyone tried Tiddlywinks in the last week?
    Report from Mike at Sunnyside:

    "Snow patches galore (on the climb) but made it to the high point on TW. DH almost clear"

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    Thanks. I decided to bring the bike. I grew up in Bend, but haven't lived there for 20 years, so I'm very familiar with the sand and dust out east. I'll probably end up riding the Phils network, but maybe I'll sneak over to Horse Ridge if I don't have time to drive over to the west side.

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    Upper Tylers is almost clear. About 5-6 moderate hike-a-bike snow sections once on the double track after Larsen intersection area. Should be clear 100% in about a week if it stays hot.

    That said, Upper Tylers needs to be ridden. New berms just shaped and super fun. Needs some tires on it while it's still somewhat damp.
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    I was up on Tyler's on Monday. The double track climb above the Larsen's intersection still had quite a bit of snow on it, so it seems to be melting off in a hurry.

    Is that a new section of Tyler's climbing up from the very bottom (at Conklin Rd.)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    I was up on Tyler's on Monday. The double track climb above the Larsen's intersection still had quite a bit of snow on it, so it seems to be melting off in a hurry.

    Is that a new section of Tyler's climbing up from the very bottom (at Conklin Rd.)?
    Yep small singletrack section to get you up to the doubletrack to climb up, being one way now. You could just ride up the pavement too, but I guess it's cool not having to do that now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thuren View Post
    Yep small singletrack section to get you up to the doubletrack to climb up, being one way now. You could just ride up the pavement too, but I guess it's cool not having to do that now.
    I'll have to go back and try out the new segment. I was finishing up a 40 mile loop and didn't quite have the energy to climb back up right then and there. It looked enticing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thuren View Post
    Upper Tylers needs to be ridden. New berms just shaped and super fun. Needs some tires on it while it's still somewhat damp.
    Is TT now singletrack all the way to DMH/KB intersection? Rode TT from Larsen yesterday; sure is good dirt right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpryIP View Post
    Is TT now singletrack all the way to DMH/KB intersection? Rode TT from Larsen yesterday; sure is good dirt right now.
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
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    Excellent and thanks!

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    Tumalo falls area report:

    1. North Fork. Heavy snow and deadfall 1 mile above T falls. It's a 1 way uphill trail - with 2.5 miles more till happy valley. So I don't advise riding this until you get a clear word on it being open up to Happy valley.

    2. South Fork. Rode up as far as I had patience for over countless downed trees. Started hitting snow as i got close to the bridge. Didn't make it to the bridge. Downed trees just got too dense...

    3. Farewell. Great conditions on the climb up past all the steep techy sections. All the way up to the more wooded/level areas. Then encountered some medium sized trees. Cut out 5 and then realized they just kept getting bigger. Not hand saw worthy. Didn't see much snow at all up there. Mrazek is not ridable to the top of farewell btw

    Wasn't bothered by skeeters at all even at my high speed of 3mph.

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    I doubt we'll be riding South Fork in May, as we did last year. Just too much snow on the good stuff this year.

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    Farewell -> Mrazek?

    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Tumalo falls area report:
    3. Farewell. Great conditions on the climb up past all the steep techy sections. All the way up to the more wooded/level areas. Then encountered some medium sized trees. Cut out 5 and then realized they just kept getting bigger. Not hand saw worthy. Didn't see much snow at all up there. Mrazek is not ridable to the top of farewell btw.
    Is Mrazek is not rideable to the top of farewell because of snow or downed trees? Was hoping to ride Farewell -> Mrazek Fri or Sat.

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    Is there a route, single track or double track, from the bottom of Tyler's to the bottom of SK? I have been going down to the DRT, but it would be nice to stay above Conklin...

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    couple days ago i climbed Funner to Wanoga as part of a biggish loop from town and Tiddlywinks is still really, really snowed in. several blowdowns, but the hike a bike was long and in the best riding areas (bermed descents). it needs a few weeks to clear.

    there are some fun big loops to make lower down still. marvins, cod, sk, funner, tiddly, larsen, tylers, drt back home is a great 40+ miler. soon as mrazek links to farewell i want to tie that with skyliners, sk, and wanoga again for a mrazek + drt experience. start in shevlin, end on the deschutes. two of the most scenic riding areas in bend, and all via lower trails that are ready to rock while we wait for higher stuff to clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudBike View Post
    Is Mrazek is not rideable to the top of farewell because of snow or downed trees? Was hoping to ride Farewell -> Mrazek Fri or Sat.
    I think both tree fall and snow. Lots of trees down on upper farewell, and upper Mrazek. And some snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunberg View Post
    Is there a route, single track or double track, from the bottom of Tyler's to the bottom of SK? I have been going down to the DRT, but it would be nice to stay above Conklin...
    No - you just ride up Conklin. There will be a trail eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    No - you just ride up Conklin. There will be a trail eventually.
    Actually, if you ride Conklin just about 1/2 mile from TT, you can turn left on FS rd 600 which will connect you to Storm King. (It's that first rocky road crossing as you start up SK.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiKong View Post
    Actually, if you ride Conklin just about 1/2 mile from TT, you can turn left on FS rd 600 which will connect you to Storm King. (It's that first rocky road crossing as you start up SK.)
    good to know. So many freaking FS roads!

    BTW - Cougar spotted on ELV today.

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    2 down trees on upper Tyler's. One large you can sort of noodle around, and one small you can hop over.

    Trail is clear other than that all the way to Kiwa.

    The expert line with rock drop is all rideable now. Boulder entry is shored up, etc. Rock/Cliff drop FEELS a little bigger than last fall. Was kind of a blur, so can't confirm that. Guessing the dirt machined into the landing has settled a bit.

    The FS road climb to the top is basically all clear.

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    Thanks for the intel Sketchbook. I rode up TW a couple days ago and stopped right before the big jump area because of trees. I wonder if I wimped out too early, or if some kind soul was up there clearing trees in the last days.

    Did you try going out Kiwa to TT?

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    Yesterday the trail adopter for kiwa said its not clear.

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    Normally my Bend MTB trips include a large number of Funner/Tiddlywinks runs but some comments above suggest there's still plenty of snow up there...

    Anyone have suggestions of what's not snow covered that would be an equally fun area to ride this coming weekend?

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    Storm king to the short section of Winks, cut over on Larsen's climb the 2 way section of Tyler's to the road then climb the road/double track to the top of Tyler's and ride Tyler's all the way down... its a sweet piece right now

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    Arnold Ice Cave and Swamp Wells are exceptional right now.
    I'm insane

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Yesterday the trail adopter for kiwa said its not clear.
    I can confirm that, as of yesterday morning. Plentiful blowdown.
    Whining is not a strategy.

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    One tree down in the middle of the Upper Tiddlywinks jump line. Be careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    2 down trees on upper Tyler's. One large you can sort of noodle around, and one small you can hop over.

    The expert line with rock drop is all rideable now. Boulder entry is shored up, etc.
    The boulder entry into the rock drop is super sweet now! Needs a sign though as you have to "know" it's there, as there is no way it looks like ANY kind of entry when you roll up to it haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thuren View Post
    The boulder entry into the rock drop is super sweet now! Needs a sign though as you have to "know" it's there, as there is no way it looks like ANY kind of entry when you roll up to it haha!
    Pretty sure that's how it's designed. The boulder entry weeds out the people you don't want in that area. That way you don't need a sign.

    People need to be shown the section or find it on their own.

    I've gone down trice in the last couple days basically guiding friends through that section. Gotta go again alone so I can go through without stopping and pointing. Ruining the strava times!!! lol

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    Can some of you that live in Bend take some pics of these trails you are talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Pretty sure that's how it's designed. The boulder entry weeds out the people you don't want in that area. That way you don't need a sign.

    People need to be shown the section or find it on their own.

    I've gone down trice in the last couple days basically guiding friends through that section. Gotta go again alone so I can go through without stopping and pointing. Ruining the strava times!!! lol
    I found it today. That rock drop requires more balls than I currently have, lol. (I don't really have the bike for it, either.)

    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Yesterday the trail adopter for kiwa said its not clear.
    When is Kiwa/Dinah-Moe scheduled to be cleared, does anyone know (i.e., asked the adopter)? I can possibly help out, depending on the day.

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    What's up with Peterson Ridge Trail this weekend?

    The "Sisters Stampede" MTB race is Sunday,
    but can I SHRED it on Saturday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dualsport650 View Post
    What's up with Peterson Ridge Trail this weekend?

    The "Sisters Stampede" MTB race is Sunday,
    but can I SHRED it on Saturday?

    absolutely.

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    Tumalo Ridge clear of snow and tree fall.
    Sector 16 clear of snow, obstructed by 80 downed trees. Avoid.
    Upper Whoops clear of snow and tree fall.
    Skyliners clear of snow and tree fall.

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    Is it just me or have there been some minor reroutes going on? A small one on upper GS and Mrazek in particular. Maybe it's just my imagination, I dunno. But if it's not can whoever is doing it please stop? I'm sick of people trying to take all the fun and challenge out of mountain biking simply because of their inadequate skill level.

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    It's up to the trail stewards to determine the routing of a trail. I am not aware of any re-route on Mrazek other than the one way only descending section (been there a few years).

    A trail steward can't please everyone, but these folks (and other volunteers) pour many hours into maintaining the trails so I appreciate the routing and other enhancements they do. I doubt any changes are made because of inadequate skill level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil'stink View Post
    Is it just me or have there been some minor reroutes going on? A small one on upper GS and Mrazek in particular. Maybe it's just my imagination, I dunno. But if it's not can whoever is doing it please stop? I'm sick of people trying to take all the fun and challenge out of mountain biking simply because of their inadequate skill level.
    This was just posted this morning: https://t.co/H3QdRgNl3m

    It's a big problem. GS/CIA, Mrazek, Horse Ridge to name a few.

    On upper GS, dozens of rocks and boulders were pulled and/or moved, Lots of dirt added, 2 easy go-arounds were created, and a significant rock step-up was made into a ramp. Creating a Go-around is building new trail and needs to be run past the FS for approval. More go-arounds and dumbing down is planned on middle GS by that trail's trail adopter...

    Was this sanctioned by COTA? No. COTA trail adopter? Yes. Is this something COTA is looking into? Yes.

    There used to be a sharp left corner when coming down Mrazek about half way up. Sharp left corner up a step-up that was a challenge to clear. Now it's filled in with dirt. Very sad.

    Horse Ridge (rock garden capital of central oregon) at the top of Sand canyon was dumbed down as well. Lots of rocks pulled. That used to be a tough section to get through at full speed. Now it's like Phil's trail.

    It's totally frustrating. Just because someone has been building trail for 20+ years in Bend doesn't give them the right to completely change a feature in the trail just because they don't like it. We all appreciate the work that trail workers have done over the years. We need to respect them yes. But this type of stuff I completely don't agree with. I won't work with certain people anymore personally.

    There are probably a total of 1000 ft of techy sections in all of phil's, so why can't people just ride elsewhere if they don't like rocks or technical features? There are miles and miles and miles of green and blue trails with hardly a bump.

    Excuses I have heard (first hand) for why they do this:

    1. "The trail didn't look like this when it was built. So we are getting it back to its original state."

    My opinion. Trails that are exactly the same year after year are more boring that if they change a little (naturally) over time. I get better as a rider each year - and appreciate that the trails get harder as I get better.

    2. "This rock garden used to only have 3-4" rocks sticking up. Now the rocks stick up 8" or more due to erosion. They are dangerous. You can strike a pedal on them."

    My opinion. It makes it more challenging. Eventually the rocks will stick out of the ground so far that they will become loose and be removed (legitimately). Going through a rock garden with high rocks is highly enjoyable to many of us. Timing pedal strokes, balance, keeping the pedals going. It's all skill building. We consider it a small victory each time we can get through a section.

    3. "I used to be able to clear this section back in the day".

    My opinion. Too bad. You can't ride like you could 20 years ago. Walk you bike and leave it alone.

    There ARE reasonable and appropriate instances of trail work maintenance that need to happen. Even some things would be considered "dumbing down". They are small things that are appropriate and are worked on by highly skilled MTBers who design and work on trails. IE keeping Lower Whoops trail safe takes maintenance.

    but the stuff that has been done recently is just over the top and not something COTA as an organization sanctioned or approved. It has to end.

    <this is not an official cota statement, opinions are my own>
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    Any chance of a rough location for the expert line on Tyler's? Rode it today for first time but didn't spot any options other than the very well worn trail. Although it might be pretty tough to spot at the sort of speed you can carry down there (top half all clear and great condition, duodenum has quite a few trees down on the green section of the loop). Didn't really stop to think how many lines you spot whilst trundling up climbs, but that's not an option now.

    And huge props to the builders giving people options to progress and push their skills. Especially with the way many trails seem to be trending of late...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spottydog View Post
    Any chance of a rough location for the expert line on Tyler's? Rode it today for first time but didn't spot any options other than the very well worn trail. Although it might be pretty tough to spot at the sort of speed you can carry down there (top half all clear and great condition, duodenum has quite a few trees down on the green section of the loop). Didn't really stop to think how many lines you spot whilst trundling up climbs, but that's not an option now.

    And huge props to the builders giving people options to progress and push their skills. Especially with the way many trails seem to be trending of late...
    It's on the left after the meadow with the rollers. That should give you enough to find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spottydog View Post
    Any chance of a rough location for the expert line on Tyler's? Rode it today for first time but didn't spot any options other than the very well worn trail. Although it might be pretty tough to spot at the sort of speed you can carry down there (top half all clear and great condition, duodenum has quite a few trees down on the green section of the loop). Didn't really stop to think how many lines you spot whilst trundling up climbs, but that's not an option now.

    And huge props to the builders giving people options to progress and push their skills. Especially with the way many trails seem to be trending of late...
    When you are about ½ to a mile from the bottom of TT (just before the brand new "whoopy", bermed section), the trail will come to an intersection. If you turn a very sharp, uphill left here, about a 100 yards, you will see the cliff drop. This is how I found it. I then scrambled up the cliff to see the very short section of trail, and boulder, mentioned above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Side View Post
    It's up to the trail stewards to determine the routing of a trail. I am not aware of any re-route on Mrazek other than the one way only descending section (been there a few years).

    A trail steward can't please everyone, but these folks (and other volunteers) pour many hours into maintaining the trails so I appreciate the routing and other enhancements they do. I doubt any changes are made because of inadequate skill level.
    Agreed. It isn't a perfect world, but anybody that ponies up the time and energy to be a trail adopter has my respect in a big way.

    As far as go-arounds per Sketchbook above, I like them, speaking as an older, but pretty technically adept and aerobically strong rider. So why do I like them? Well, I often choose to ride in mixed groups and/or with my wife, and for those that can't ride the two 50-foot sections of black diamond trail on a 5 mile section, it's a heckova lot more fun for them to be able to keep on riding.

    With that said, it DOES fry me when these ride arounds get built, and then a year later, the tech route starts disappearing.

    In a perfect world, with unlimited volunteer hours, I'd choose ride arounds where both options were signed and maintained.

    Finally, as far as filling in rocky sections with dirt, don't worry about it. The dirt won't last forever (see big rocks on DRT for example).
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    The go-arounds don't even bother me that much. They just aren't legit from a legal stand point.

    What bothers me is that go-arounds are built AND the tech section was modified/dumbed down.

    If you are going to go through the effort of making a go around leave the hard part as is.

    Also - regarding dirt - as mentioned above I am referring to BIG changes to a trail. Rocks removed and/or re-configured. Massive amounts of dirt added. Small amounts of dirt added to a trail is legit. Changing a Step up to a dirt ramp is BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    The go-arounds don't even bother me that much. They just aren't legit from a legal stand point.

    What bothers me is that go-arounds are built AND the tech section was modified/dumbed down.

    If you are going to go through the effort of making a go around leave the hard part as is.

    Also - regarding dirt - as mentioned above I am referring to BIG changes to a trail. Rocks removed and/or re-configured. Massive amounts of dirt added. Small amounts of dirt added to a trail is legit. Changing a Step up to a dirt ramp is BS.
    All valid points, with maybe the exception of the legality issue.

    I've ridden a trail on BLM land in Grand Junction (Holy Cross, I think? It's been awhile.) where they were actually required to build ride-arounds for the big moves, in order to secure permission to construct the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    What bothers me is that go-arounds are built AND the tech section was modified/dumbed down.

    If you are going to go through the effort of making a go around leave the hard part as is.

    Also - regarding dirt - as mentioned above I am referring to BIG changes to a trail. Rocks removed and/or re-configured. Massive amounts of dirt added. Small amounts of dirt added to a trail is legit. Changing a Step up to a dirt ramp is BS.
    Totally agree. Dumbing down the minimal tech we have is lame. We have hundreds of miles of easy riding. Leave the few areas of more challenging stuff as-is.

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    That hip jump on descender's right (just below the cliff drop) on TT is pretty awesome -- nice flow on the left hand turn right up onto the jump followed by a right hand sweeper upon landing. Well done, whoever made it.

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    Any word on Section 16 being open and down tree free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushman3 View Post
    Any word on Section 16 being open and down tree free?
    Dry Side said this one day ago:

    Tumalo Ridge clear of snow and tree fall.
    Sector 16 clear of snow, obstructed by 80 downed trees. Avoid.
    Upper Whoops clear of snow and tree fall.
    Skyliners clear of snow and tree fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    The go-arounds don't even bother me that much. They just aren't legit from a legal stand point.

    What bothers me is that go-arounds are built AND the tech section was modified/dumbed down.

    If you are going to go through the effort of making a go around leave the hard part as is.

    Also - regarding dirt - as mentioned above I am referring to BIG changes to a trail. Rocks removed and/or re-configured. Massive amounts of dirt added. Small amounts of dirt added to a trail is legit. Changing a Step up to a dirt ramp is BS.
    Yeah, it's not the cheater lines that make my blood boil. It's when rock ledge sections are taken out and turned into simple roll-downs. This sort of crap needs to stop, immediately. I appreciate all the work put in by trail adopters but they have absolutely no right, IMHO, to do this. I think it actually goes against the spirit of our sport.

    One of the areas on Mrazek that I noticed was in the narrow tree section. There used to be a section where 2 trees were so close together I couldn't fit my handlebars through them without practically doing a track stand. I loved it. Now one of the trees has been removed. I know there are legit reasons for taking trees out, and maybe this was one of them. But with all the other little changes in trails it makes me wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil'stink View Post
    Yeah, it's not the cheater lines that make my blood boil. It's when rock ledge sections are taken out and turned into simple roll-downs. This sort of crap needs to stop, immediately. I appreciate all the work put in by trail adopters but they have absolutely no right, IMHO, to do this. I think it actually goes against the spirit of our sport.

    One of the areas on Mrazek that I noticed was in the narrow tree section. There used to be a section where 2 trees were so close together I couldn't fit my handlebars through them without practically doing a track stand. I loved it. Now one of the trees has been removed. I know there are legit reasons for taking trees out, and maybe this was one of them. But with all the other little changes in trails it makes me wonder.
    Damn, that sucks about that tree! But remember it could always be a rogue rider removing that tree, and no one officially sanctioned or a part of COTA. At least I hope it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Damn, that sucks about that tree! But remember it could always be a rogue rider removing that tree, and no one officially sanctioned or a part of COTA. At least I hope it wasn't.
    It's a grey area. Mrazek is not an "official" COTA trail. Phil does the maintenance on Mrazek, so anything you see on Mrazek usually is done by him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    It's a grey area. Mrazek is not an "official" COTA trail. Phil does the maintenance on Mrazek, so anything you see on Mrazek usually is done by him.
    I've often wondered about that.... Does anyone know if he'll have a hand-picked successor at some point? Or will he "donate" to COTA? Would the FS allow that?

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    Upper Marezek open up until 2mi. from Farewell Bend junction unless you like 80 fallen trees.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjMarS View Post
    Dry Side said this one day ago:

    Tumalo Ridge clear of snow and tree fall.
    Sector 16 clear of snow, obstructed by 80 downed trees. Avoid.
    Upper Whoops clear of snow and tree fall.
    Skyliners clear of snow and tree fall.

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    Coming out to Bend for the remainder of the long weekend. What is the best way to ride Tylers for the most DH fun? Normally I like to come out and ride TW and funner with a few scenic xc rides thrown in. Is TW still not ridable?

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    DMH is clear of snow and trees all the way from Edison to Tylers.

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    Awesome news on DMH! Thanks OAS

    Any news on Kiwa? Guessing it's still not clear...

    BTW:

    Funner - clear.
    Tiddly - 8 down trees.
    Tyler's - 2 trees still down up top.
    StormKing - clear.

    Twinks has a LOT of new features. More Twinkies for Twinks.

    SO dry up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Any news on Kiwa?
    I rode kiwa from Tiddlywinks to Tyler's on Friday and it was all clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    I rode kiwa from Tiddlywinks to Tyler's on Friday and it was all clear.
    Sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olderandslower View Post
    DMH is clear of snow and trees all the way from Edison to Tylers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    I rode kiwa from Tiddlywinks to Tyler's on Friday and it was all clear.
    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Sweet!
    Indeed! Fast becoming one of my favorite rides, from Wanoga SP to Edison and back.

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    Has anyone done reconnaissance on South Fork since sketchbook was there a few weeks ago? How's it looking?

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    I must have been in a micro-rain shadow today. Rode Tiddly to Kiwa, up Dinah-Moe Humm to Edison shelter, and back again. It was 65% sunshine, with zero rain. Trail cleared and in great shape!

    When I get back to town, all the roads are wet, and it rains three times by the time I get home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    I must have been in a micro-rain shadow today. Rode Tiddly to Kiwa, up Dinah-Moe Humm to Edison shelter, and back again. It was 65% sunshine, with zero rain. Trail cleared and in great shape!

    When I get back to town, all the roads are wet, and it rains three times by the time I get home!
    YOu lucked out ... just went out for a couple of laps at Phil's and got hit by rain and hail. It was cold out there.
    Are you really sure about that?

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    Yeah, but the trails were sweet. A little moisture/cold is not going to deter me. Phil's trail system is perfect for my 29er rigid SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Side View Post
    Yeah, but the trails were sweet. A little moisture/cold is not going to deter me. Phil's trail system is perfect for my 29er rigid SS.
    They were sweet and tacky! Road up Storm King and Funners on Monday with a rigid single speeder turning a pretty high gear ... he was a prolific climber. Very impressive on the steepest sections. Might do Mrazek tomorrow to see how far up I can get.
    Are you really sure about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSLKauai View Post
    Might do Mrazek tomorrow to see how far up I can get.
    Let us know! I see on the COTA worklog, some guy cut out Farewell, and then started down Mrazek as far as he could get until he ran out of chainsaw gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Let us know! I see on the COTA worklog, some guy cut out Farewell, and then started down Mrazek as far as he could get until he ran out of chainsaw gas.
    There is about a half mile of down trees still top of Mrazek. Per Thuren, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSLKauai View Post
    It was cold out there.
    +1. Cold and wet and the hail is unpleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    There is about a half mile of down trees still top of Mrazek. Per Thuren, etc
    And we turned down Farewell, so not sure what the tree situation is going up further. No snow though trail is great, except the last 15 or so trees before you get to Farewell.
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    Lev took a crew out and cleared Southfork, SST, and Suctor 16 today.

    Swede ridge is still not clear but might be after COTA spring fling (tomorrow).

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    Went down Kiwa among others a couple days ago. Trail in amazing condition. Only saw a group of 4 coming up the entire loop I rode (saw them along Larson later). Storm King was in prime shape.

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    So is Southfork clear? Did DMH to Tyler's today and it was great. First time on Tyler's. Surprised how much moondust there is on Tyler's. Hoping the rain is coming down right now to improve that tomorrow. What a great trail? Would love to hit Southfork if it is opened up.

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    What is with the WA contingent now? We're all coming down next month! Is there a new adventuremap for the area including Larsen and Tyler's? 2 years ago we had to poke around the 4133 rd from Kiwa to Larsen. found the flags and got out but it was a bit confusing. Also, after popping out on Conklin at the bottom of TT, can you take the 600 to the 4110 to cut the pavement out to Storm King? Love to hear that stuff is "ahead of schedule" down there. Thanks all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    Is there a new adventuremap for the area including Larsen and Tyler's? 2 years ago we had to poke around the 4133 rd from Kiwa to Larsen. found the flags and got out but it was a bit confusing. Also, after popping out on Conklin at the bottom of TT, can you take the 600 to the 4110 to cut the pavement out to Storm King?
    The latest Adventure Map shows Larsen and TT and the other dirt in the Wanoga area. You can take 600 to 4110, but really the section of Conklin between TT and SK isn't all the far. I don't even bother bridging dirt between TT and SK. Save your energy to rocket up SK.

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    And Borneo, there is also a ride-up now that basically parallels the TT, so you could also just ride up to the Larsen intersect with TT to get back into the Wanoga area. That would keep you on dirt. TT is almost completely one-way DH now. It is totally fun to rip down TT knowing nobody is ascending, especially the lower part of TT that is now very well seasoned.

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    Interesting. Thanks! Will have to upgrade. So, TT DH is "formal" like the Ben's/Phil's scenario? Or just a gentlemen's agreement? Would be nice to add a loop back up there. Is the upper Tyler's connector done yet or do ya have to take the road for a while still? Any news on that small proposed loop (Lone Wolf) to the north of there too? (Sorry for the slight hijack all....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    Interesting. Thanks! Will have to upgrade. So, TT DH is "formal" like the Ben's/Phil's scenario? Or just a gentlemen's agreement? Would be nice to add a loop back up there. Is the upper Tyler's connector done yet or do ya have to take the road for a while still? Any news on that small proposed loop (Lone Wolf) to the north of there too? (Sorry for the slight hijack all....)
    the more DH sections are legit one way. Signed, etc.

    TT has been complete (ish) since late last fall. No road riding (on the way down).

    Lonewolf hasn't been started on yet to my knowledge

    Lots of loops you can do, but if you want all singletrack, you will need to ride up funner or tiddly.

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    BTW - most things are clear as of today.

    Mrazek all the way to farewell, swede ridge, S16, Southfork, SST

    bla bla bla

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    BTW - most things are clear as of today.

    Mrazek all the way to farewell, swede ridge, S16, Southfork, SST

    bla bla bla
    I've been at work the last few days... Southfork is really clear, of snow and trees?? Sweet!!!!

    Any info. on Flagline Tie? I doubt it's clear yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    I've been at work the last few days... Southfork is really clear, of snow and trees?? Sweet!!!!

    Any info. on Flagline Tie? I doubt it's clear yet.
    Last report I got was there is one small section of snow on SF. Could be dangerous if going at top speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Last report I got was there is one small section of snow on SF. Could be dangerous if going at top speed.
    Oh, don't worry about that! I climb SF, to get to the good stuff. Then I zip down SST, Sector, Whoops, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Oh, don't worry about that! I climb SF, to get to the good stuff. Then I zip down SST, Sector, Whoops, etc.
    Good point. You just gave me a new worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    Any news on that small proposed loop (Lone Wolf) to the north of there too? (Sorry for the slight hijack all....)
    As sketch said, no LW yet but Duodenum is done. Rode it a few days ago. It will be interesting to see how much use D will get. It is off the beaten path some and right in the middle of the *****ing DH that is TT. Do D clockwise unless you like climbing switchbacks. I kinda do.

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    Awesome again all. What about upper TT? Is it in yet or do you need to take the road from the end of Kiwa? Thinking KGB-GS-SK-Funner-T'winks-Kiwa-TT-TT climber (obvious to find?) to Larsen to T'winks to SK to COD to ELV and back. Good south side Phil's/Wanoga loop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    Awesome again all. What about upper TT? Is it in yet or do you need to take the road from the end of Kiwa? Thinking KGB-GS-SK-Funner-T'winks-Kiwa-TT-TT climber (obvious to find?) to Larsen to T'winks to SK to COD to ELV and back. Good south side Phil's/Wanoga loop...
    TT is done to the intersection of Kiwa and DMH. The climber starts at the bottom of TT. Can't miss it. Good route choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Any info. on Flagline Tie? I doubt it's clear yet.
    As of this morning (6/2/14) the west bank of Swampy Loop still has 4' deep snow drifts. Looking up Flagline there was snow as far back as I could see. I'm guessing perhaps two more weeks of 80F weather at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    Awesome again all. What about upper TT? Is it in yet or do you need to take the road from the end of Kiwa? Thinking KGB-GS-SK-Funner-T'winks-Kiwa-TT-TT climber (obvious to find?) to Larsen to T'winks to SK to COD to ELV and back. Good south side Phil's/Wanoga loop...
    Upper TT is in but soon after you get onto it from Kiwa you'll come across a Y intersection. The left leg looks newer, the right leg looks bedded in. TAKE THE LEFT FORK.

    TT climber is very easy to find. At the exit of TT at Conklin Rd. you'll see a new trail directly to rider's right. It's the TT climber. In about 1/4 mile it will dump you onto a twin track. The twin-track leads back up (F'ng straight up the fall line, jeez) to Larsen. I rode it last week and as long as you're paying attention for the brown carsonite trail markers you won't get lost.

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    As of this last weekend, the left fork was closed down. Might have just been for the work parties though. Would have liked to try that one while we were there. Borneo, 2 trails right next to each other at the bottom of TT. One you can go up and one is one way only downhill. Can't miss it. Better trails, better weather, and better beer is why we were here!

    BTW, thanks to all the hard workers out there last weekend at the spring fling. I thanked every worker I rode by and will be sending in my COTA donation as an out of stater enjoying your trails last weekend. Didn't know that was going on until we got there, felt kind of bad not stopping to pitch in, but will donate to hopefully make up for it a bit. Had an incredible 4 days of riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    As of this morning (6/2/14) the west bank of Swampy Loop still has 4' deep snow drifts. Looking up Flagline there was snow as far back as I could see. I'm guessing perhaps two more weeks of 80F weather at least.
    Thanks for that. I assume the east side of the Swampy marsh (SST and Swede Ridge) is snow free? I know they are deadfall free.

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