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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    I'm hesitant to write this post this because i don't want to start a fight, but you guys really seem to be struggling to get your message to people and i think i know part of the reason.

    I think part of the problem is that a lot of people (myself included as well as others i know, local and non-local) just don't get why it's such a problem. Most people will follow rules that they understand and believe in, but if they think a rule/law is bogus, they will likely not follow it. I think that's a big part of your problem here. People understand you want them to stay off the trail, but they're not convinced that it's actually important.

    Trail widening I understand, that sucks. But the ruts? To my mind, that's such a non-issue. A lot of people post pictures in these threads of the trail damage, and i've got to tell you, myself and many others just roll our eyes at how silly it seems. Maybe you guys are all riding road bikes with 1/2" tires and I don't know it, but if not, why are these ruts a big deal? A big enough deal to keep us from riding? Riding is the whole point of ALL of this.

    I try to attend a couple cota work parties per year, and last year on the spring fling i was discussing with my crew leader, the trail damage that we were fixing. To me, the trail was fine. I just couldn't really understand the problem. There were several ruts that originally were maybe an inch or two deep, and they were already worn down (from traffic) to less than that.

    I don't generally worry about it that much, because i like to ride horse ridge in the winter, and i typically put the bike away for a few months and ski instead. Like i said though, i think maybe this is a major part of the battle you're in, that you just don't realize you're fighting. Maybe you do, you probably do, but I and other's remained unconvinced that we're ruining anything. I may very well be wrong, i just haven't seen evidence of it yet. Perhaps there should be a sacrificial trail that gets abused during winter and not repaired in spring as a demonstration of the damage that occurs, then we could see that and understand.

    IMPORTANT: I want to be clear that i'm not trying to argue about whether we should ride or not, I'm just pointing out what i think is one of the major reasons that people disregard requests to stay off the muddy trails in the winter. Maybe you guys/cota need to think of ways to really raise awareness/consensus that there is a real problem, then people may be more willing to help prevent that problem from occurring. Does that make sense?

    Does anyone agree that this could be a root of the problem or am i all alone here?
    Giving people more information about why it is bad to ride wet trails in Bend could help a little, but I am guessing the people riding the trails will still continue to do so. I mean when the local trail group who is responsible for all the amazing trails we have asks people to stay off the trails when wet, don't you think there is a good reason for this? I wouldn't imagine they would encourage people not to use the trails they worked hard to build without a good reasosn. I could maybe understand if Phils was the only place to ride in Central Oregon, but there are other trails in much better condition right not that are not going to get damaged from riding. Sure they are a bit of a further drive then phils but they are at least there for people to ride in the winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCogset View Post
    ...when the local trail group who is responsible for all the amazing trails we have asks people to stay off the trails when wet, don't you think there is a good reason for this?
    I agree with this, and that is one of the biggest reasons why i do mostly comply with the request. I have a lot of respect and gratitude for all the people who make up COTA leadership and volunteers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    PS - Derek, did you get my letter? :-) I got a postcard from you a couple months back, haha.
    Yeah, I got it. Thanks for including me on your list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCogset View Post
    I mean when the local trail group who is responsible for all the amazing trails we have asks people to stay off the trails when wet, don't you think there is a good reason for this?
    Depends on the context. I don't live in Bend and ride there only a few times a year. But, from what I have seen, COTA does a great job with the trails and deserve deference/respect on this. But, not all local trail groups are that way. I'll leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Lauren is a Guy just for the record. Lauren is the person on the strava above...
    And, it looks like he rode from home :-)

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    Lower Phil's Trail Complex Update - 1-26-14

    The lower Phil's trails continue to get heavy traffic. I was hiking for less than an hour and saw quite a few riders.

    Phil's, Kent's, and Ben's all have wet muddy sections that are connected by long stretches of very tempting dry trail. Most of these pictures were taken within 1/4 mile of the Phil's TH.

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    Many fresh tracks:

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    Meanwhile Maston today was stellar. Both trail heads were overflowing, which leads me to this request:

    Please do not park within 10 feet of the sides or 20 feet of the rear of Horse trailers! This effectively blocks their access to their own rig. IF YOU MUST park on the Equestrian side at Newcomb TH, please give the horse trailers plenty of space. This request comes from the BLM Law Enforcement Officer. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sans soucie View Post
    Meanwhile Maston today was stellar.
    I'm embarrassed to admit that I have yet to hit Maston. Horse Ridge is just so much fun! Oh wait, never mind, Horse Ridge sucks, go ride at Maston.

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    Yep Maston was the heat yesterday. And for as crowded as the parking lot was I only ran into about 10 other riders in groups. All friendly too btw.

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    At Maston, when it's really crowded, there's a tendency to ride off the track to pass. I assume the area is typical fragile/sensitive desert soil, cryptobiota, etc.

    It's nice to keep up speed for a whole ride at Maston, but is this the next Phil's-type issue? Or are the areas on the sides of the trails pretty resilient/quick to recover at Maston?

    It probably wouldn't be that hard to start an etiquette of slowing down and trying to stay on the trail when passing if it matters much.

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    Heads up for the Maston area. BLM is planning on burns.

    BLM plans pile burning near Eagle Crest | News - Home

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    Quote Originally Posted by CmbtDvr185 View Post
    Heads up for the Maston area. BLM is planning on burns.

    BLM plans pile burning near Eagle Crest | News - Home
    I am going to pack along some hot dogs.

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    How is Horse Ridge the day after a rain storm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebikin View Post
    How is Horse Ridge the day after a rain storm?
    I would guess it's not too bad. They get less rain over there. It needed some rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    I would guess it's not too bad. They get less rain over there. It needed some rain.
    +1

    There are some place near the TH and on the flats that will be soggy with some puddles but the rest should be pretty darn nice. Looks like a great day to hit it.

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    Horse ridge is great. Yesterday afternoon was sunny and dry.

    Maston and horse Butte both sloppy as of yesterday i hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    Horse ridge is great. Yesterday afternoon was sunny and dry.

    Maston and horse Butte both sloppy as of yesterday i hear.
    Hitting the road/gravel today... May check out Horse Butte for a bit. Typically, Arnold Ice Cave is drier. Will update here after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willem3 View Post
    Hitting the road/gravel today... May check out Horse Butte for a bit. Typically, Arnold Ice Cave is drier. Will update here after.
    Hit Arnold Ice Cave up from Horse Butte Trailhead to Rd. 18 (China Hat Road).... Muddy and soupy.... Kind of like Chocolate Mousse.. Needs to dry out.
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    Yup - was hoping to get some trail miles in out at Horse Butte but it is still really wet. Good day for riding the gravel.

    Anyone been out to Maston lately?

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    Drove out to Maston yesterday. Looked real wet on Newcomb and in the lot. Which means the trails were probably the same. Rode up Cline instead. Wet there too. Gravel is the call for sure.
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    Wow, nothing for 2 weeks.

    Anybody know how Horse Ridge is riding?
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    2014 - Bend Area Trail Conditions & Blow Down Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    Wow, nothing for 2 weeks.

    Anybody know how Horse Ridge is riding?
    With all the moisture and great skiing, folks are probably at Bachy or on their indoor trainers!!! Looking at the forecast, I suspect it will look like that until March.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    Wow, nothing for 2 weeks.

    Anybody know how Horse Ridge is riding?
    Went up and down Sand Canyon yesterday and there is 1 - 3 inches of snow and runnels of water coming down the trail. The upper sections of the trail that have water bars are holding up much better in terms of erosion and will likely be ready to ride earlier than the lower sections. If no more snow falls it might be ready to go in a couple weeks...It did however start snowing on us when we reached the top.

    On a side note, it was our first time going up the canyon and very exciting to see all the amazing terrain in that area. The potential is unreal...

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    Sand Canyon needs to become a DH only, or have an alternate climb.

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    Wonder if Maston will be decent this weekend? Supposed to be dry the next few days.

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    Anyone been on Maston the last couple days? I was planning on riding it Thursday night and just wondering how the trails are. Thanks.

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    how was it?

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    I'm willing to bet it was still soggy as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    I'm willing to bet it was still soggy as hell.
    Absolutely right. Hit Maston and Cline today. Cut my ride short. TOO WET!! Needs at least two more days in the 50's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    I'm willing to bet it was still soggy as hell.
    I rode Matson yesterday (clockwise) and really only two areas that were soggy (north end near cline falls parking area) and on the route back from river canyon to main parking lot was worst section about 1/2 mile was sloppy. Other than that all other sections were in great shape.

    Is Horse Ridge sloppy right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttrd View Post
    I rode Matson yesterday (clockwise) and really only two areas that were soggy (north end near cline falls parking area) and on the route back from river canyon to main parking lot was worst section about 1/2 mile was sloppy. Other than that all other sections were in great shape.

    Is Horse Ridge sloppy right now?
    Time of day seems to make a big impact in terms of conditions. I hit Maston early this morning and it was firm and fast. As the day proceeds expect more mud. Happy Riding!!!!
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    Riders are still hitting the Phil's trail complex. Pictures taken late Friday afternoon on Ben's.

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    dang... why would anybody think its ok to ride?

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    Because they either don't care, are lazy, or think that when COTA asks not to ride somewhere it doesn't apply to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shugarbear View Post
    how was it?
    My ride Thursday night was good. I agree with William that it probably depends on the time of day. I started my ride at 7PM and it was a little soft but was firming up pretty quickly. The sections running in the old canals on both the South and North sides were still holding water but everything else was good.

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    I assuming the trials are a mess.

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    Sketchbook, how was Wanoga today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Sketchbook, how was Wanoga today?
    it's under about 20" of super heavy snow. The snowmobile trails and such are ridable with a fatbike I would guess.

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    anyone know how is horse ridge is riding? gonna be in the area tomorrow, thinking about bringing the bike.
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    Rode horse ridge Wed night it's fine if only a light thaw. Going to be cold tomorrow which would be good actually, if you can stay warm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    it's under about 20" of super heavy snow. The snowmobile trails and such are ridable with a fatbike I would guess.
    Anyone tried riding the snowmobile trails on something like a 2.4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreamRider View Post
    Anyone tried riding the snowmobile trails on something like a 2.4?
    Depends on how much fun you do/don't want to have.

    The snow on Snow mobile trails is deep, and though it's packed, it's not like riding horse butte in a few inches of snow where your 2" tires go down all the way to the ground.

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    I rode a fat bike on the snowmobile trails with some fresh on top, it was the hardest 5 miles I have ever done lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreamRider View Post
    Anyone tried riding the snowmobile trails on something like a 2.4?
    Yes, and if the conditions are right it is fun. But usually the conditions are wrong. You need the trails to melt a bit and then freeze hard. And if it is going to warm up during the day don't go too far as it is warming or you will be walking.

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    horse butte is kickin it...this ride is so much fun, and its not PHILs!
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    Where is Phil's?
    I'm insane

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    I'm looking to escape the snow melt in the Methow Valley (N. Central Washington) next week. We still have 4 feet on the ground at our house so riding isn't going to happen any time soon. Are there enough trails that are in right now in Bend to justify a trip down for a few days?

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    Heading to Bend for the weekend....Bikes and GF in tow.
    Planning on Horse Ridge (rode it a couple times last year, pretty fun actually)
    any other reports?

    Thanks in advance

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    Bend is looking pretty dry at the moment. Horse butte, horse ridge, maston, cline, radlands, etc all good to go.

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    I'd like to check out Matson and Cline.
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