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    Anyone actually ridden an Orbea Occam 29?

    I am curious to hear some ride reviews of this frame, but they are hard to come by. If you have any saddle time on an Occam 29, please let us hear about it.

    Bonus points if you can compare to a Jet9 or Spearfish as those are suspension designs that I have some time on.

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    Looking for the same thing... Also looking specifically for info on the hydro version, as the only reviews I've seen were on the top of the line carbon one (and that's out of my price range).

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    It looks like a clone of the Trek/Fisher Superfly. Sort of a Spanish 'Fly if you will. Given the swing link angle it should have similar brake jack to the old single pivot; the upside is that it should be less flexy than the 26. Riding behind one of those took my concept of frame flex to whole new level.

    I'd imagine going from a Niner to that would be like going back in time; sorta like a Superlight with an extra gratuitous pivot at the axle and a link at the top tube to keep it from bending, hopefully. Plus it's rather ungainly looking to me, to be generous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulerias View Post
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    Interesting... every review I've read, although they're all "pro" reviews, has had very little negative to say about the bike.

    As for the look, to each his own I guess. I kind of like the edgy look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnlwthrn View Post
    Looking for the same thing... Also looking specifically for info on the hydro version, as the only reviews I've seen were on the top of the line carbon one (and that's out of my price range).
    I honestly don't think there will be that huge of a performance difference between the aluminum and carbon versions. First, the rear triangle of the carbon version is actually aluminum. Second, the weight difference is less than 0.9 pounds. I've read that the carbon version is 2.3kg (5.07 lb) and the aluminum version is 2.7 kg (5.95 lb).

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    Quote Originally Posted by savechief View Post
    First, the rear triangle of the carbon version is actually aluminum.
    Agree with your post, but one small correction. Only the seatstays are aluminum on the carbon frame. The chainstays are carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Agree with your post, but one small correction. Only the seatstays are aluminum on the carbon frame. The chainstays are carbon.
    Ahh, missed that detail, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulerias View Post
    It looks like a clone of the Trek/Fisher Superfly. Sort of a Spanish 'Fly if you will. Given the swing link angle it should have similar brake jack to the old single pivot; the upside is that it should be less flexy than the 26. Riding behind one of those took my concept of frame flex to whole new level.

    I'd imagine going from a Niner to that would be like going back in time; sorta like a Superlight with an extra gratuitous pivot at the axle and a link at the top tube to keep it from bending, hopefully. Plus it's rather ungainly looking to me, to be generous.


    I was under the impression that the Occam suspension design is like the Trek Superfly or DW Split Pivot? So basically a 4-bar design with the rear pivot at the rear axle and nothing like a single pivot?

    Shouldn't this design eliminate brake jack? I think that is how they advertise it anyways..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xizor1 View Post
    I was under the impression that the Occam suspension design is like the Trek Superfly or DW Split Pivot? So basically a 4-bar design with the rear pivot at the rear axle and nothing like a single pivot?

    Shouldn't this design eliminate brake jack? I think that is how they advertise it anyways..
    IF you put the brake calliper on the seat stay, and IF the seat stay doesn't rotate with the wheel direction as the suspension goes up and down, then you've isolated the brake from rotational forces. But both ends of the bar have to go up. On an FSR they do; the shock end less so but the torque tends to push down on the swing link and it's supposed to all add up even[ish].

    A back and downward facing link like this actually moves the wrong way IMO; I recall Trek's link is less angled [??] but still backwards to my analysis of braking forces. Many magic properties are attributed to pivots and links that may just not actually exist, but who's calling them on it? Most riders don't really understand the physics of suspension design and why should they.

    Whether the rear pivot is concentric with the axle or somewhere close is no guarantee that the brakes won't wind up the suspension. It's bound to rotate with the wheel if its mounted on the chain stay; on the seat stay it may or may not, depending on what happens further up. And considering that they've got it going opposite to the FSR they better have some magic going on.

    With Maestro/Niner design the pivot rate of the rear triangle is so slow - the virtual centre is somewhere out by the water bottle - that torque just isn't such a big factor. Giant advertises complete brake independence which is a bold claim but with two links there's also the plain old drag pulling the rear unit backwards to consider. It all seems to add up to neutral enough in practice.

    Brake jack is kinda overrated, but once you've got used to not having it it's hard to welcome it back.

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    Hi folks. Frank Webber from Orbea here. I have spent a lot of time of the Occam 29, first as a prototype and then as a production model. I have spent a bit of time on the FSR platform, a good amount of time on a Niner FS and a ton of hours on the Superfly 100. In addition to this, I have ridden countless bikes at various bike expos.
    There is no way I can say this is a completely unbiased review, but I can give you my honest opinion as a cycling veteran who has spent 10+ years on the retail side of the industry and races at a professional level on the MTB.

    First of all, we'll address the physical issues at hand.
    The weights on the Hydro and Silver frames are not that far apart. I think someone mentioned .9lbs earlier, and that is pretty accurate. Not a huge difference, but I know lots of riders that spend way more than $900 to shave a pound off their bikes. Both are great options depending on what you are looking for.
    Also, the seatstays are aluminum on either version. It ended up being cheaper, stronger, and lighter to use aluminum in this instance. Once the necessary aluminum pieces were bonded into the carbon seatstays, they would have been heavier and more prone to problems.

    Whomever mentioned that climbing on this bike from a Niner would send you back in time surely has not ridden the bike. The Occam 29 is the third bike to be developed using the Advanced Dynamics program which is a software-based design method. It is a software program used to calculate the actual performance of a full suspension bike, considering not only the technical parameters and component behaviors affecting performance but also the factors introduced by the cyclist, such as their weight or the effect of pedal strokes on optimal performance.
    Basically, it's a computer program that allows the "rider" to move along with the virtual bike in order to track the effect that has on the suspension. Prior to this software, all computer suspension designs have been based on a static "rider" whose weight never shifts and they never pedal on the virtual bike. Advanced Dynamics was developed because we all pedal when we climb and we move back when we descend. We don't just sit on our seats and coast through the trails.
    It's not hard to tell why Advanced Dynamics is a better option.

    The Occam's use of the concentric axle allows greater small bump sensitivity as well as improved suspension movement while braking when compared to other suspension offerings without such a design. You can argue suspension physics with me all day, but I have ridden countless bikes that do not use this technology and a few that have. Save for the most weight conscience race bike, I'll take an extra couple ounces in order to have a more effective suspension system.

    I can get into the leverage ratios and how that makes the Occam suspension design pedal different from other, similar designs, such as the SF100, but instead I will simply say that just because a suspension design looks similar, doesn't mean it performs just as well. Any suspension engineer will agree that moving the suspension linkage a few millimeters in front of, behind, higher up, or closer to the bottom bracket will make the bike pedal differently. The same can be said about the arc in which the suspension linkage follows.

    Here is my short ride review on the Occam 29....

    I first rode the Occam Hydro 29 as a prototype and took it all around the trails of Arkansas, Texas, Missouri, Tennessee, Georgia, and North Carolina. I found it to be very capable in technical sections and it struck me as having the best traction in loose rocky terrain of any bike I have ridden. It gobbled up the gnarly descents of the Pisgah N.F. I actually dropped everyone I was riding with down Farlow. The suspension never seemed to get mushy under hard accelerations, but it had a surprisingly forgiving feel when climbing up technical sections with big rocks and roots that would normally give the rear wheel a good bounce or two.
    The riding position mimicked the overall feel of the bike; it is a more relaxed fit than the Alma and the geometry of the bike had a similar feel. It was clear to me that this was a bike more aimed at the endurance racing or everyday rider. It is not a hardcore race bike like the Alma, but it will be my race bike for 2013.....

    I got my first chance to ride the carbon version when Spain sent some bikes over right before we announced the 29 version. I got on it at work and took it for a long lunch ride around some rocky local trails. My first impression was exactly what I expected. It was a little snappier and felt like it climbed better, but I give most of that to the lower weight. When I rode the bike again in Colorado, I was more appreciative of the lower weight. On long gravel sections, the carbon does seem to have less high frequency vibrations at the handlebar. You know, the ones that make your forearms itch...yeah, none of those.
    This model had the dual Fox remote lockout, and that's freakin' cool.

    I had the prototype for roughly 6 months and never had to touch a pivot or bearing for any reason. I took my time and built it up correctly from the start, but I was supremely happy with the quality of the moving suspension parts. I'm used to servicing suspension every month or so when it start to pop and squeal.

    If anyone has any other questions, or just wants to shoot the bull about the Occam, you can get me via email or phone.
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    How about when are they going to be in-stock as they were supposed to be out in Sept.???

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    I rode one around for about ten minutes the other day, it was the aluminum model. I was really impressed how responsive it was to accelerations, while the suspension still felt deep. I've ridden lots of bikes, and this is one I would consider buying.

    I'd like to get some more trail time on one.

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    Frank,
    Thanks for the input. Can you elaborate a little more on the leverage ratio?

    Also, any idea if there will be the ability to find demo bikes? For example, Niner has a demo fleet that travels around the country. I'm at the point now where I can't justify spending several thousand on a bike that I can't demo ride first.

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    @ mtb_dood - We have pretty good stock in the Occam Hydro 29 at this time. Both colors are available in size small and medium. The Silver frames have been more difficult to get our hands on. Our first shipment was relatively small, and they all wen out to existing dealer orders. We are expecting to receive a small order in the next couple weeks and then a large order around the first of the year.

    @ dnlwthrn - We have some Occam 29s on our Sprinter van that travels around the country. I think they are currently on the East coast. The best way to get a ride on one is to ask your local dealer about it. They can get a hold of their inside rep and find out when the Sprinter will be in your area.

    The Occam uses the Diamond Link in it's rear suspension. This linkage design creates a two-stage leverage rate curve to provide efficiency and control throughout the travel range. The first stage is characterized by a rising leverage ratio. This allows the Occam to offer great sensitivity on small bumps. By keeping your rear wheel on the ground, you’ll have traction and control at all times. At about 50% travel, the leverage ratio begins to decrease as it moves to the bottom of the stroke. This gives the Occam a progressively firmer feel for control in fast bermed corners and through successive mid to large sized bump input.

    Lots of good information can be found at www dot orbea dot com/advanced-dynamics/en/

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    Man, that Orbea is my dream bike! I've never ridden one so I can't comment on performance but the styling is second to none! Hands down the sexiest 29'er made by ANYONE; I can't believe people are dogging it's looks.

    Hope to see one in person someday! Hope even more to take one for a spin as it stands I'll have to keep riding my "vanilla" superfly 100...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrbeaUSA View Post
    @ mtb_dood - We have pretty good stock in the Occam Hydro 29 at this time. Both colors are available in size small and medium. The Silver frames have been more difficult to get our hands on. Our first shipment was relatively small, and they all wen out to existing dealer orders. We are expecting to receive a small order in the next couple weeks and then a large order around the first of the year.

    @ dnlwthrn - We have some Occam 29s on our Sprinter van that travels around the country. I think they are currently on the East coast. The best way to get a ride on one is to ask your local dealer about it. They can get a hold of their inside rep and find out when the Sprinter will be in your area.

    The Occam uses the Diamond Link in it's rear suspension. This linkage design creates a two-stage leverage rate curve to provide efficiency and control throughout the travel range. The first stage is characterized by a rising leverage ratio. This allows the Occam to offer great sensitivity on small bumps. By keeping your rear wheel on the ground, you’ll have traction and control at all times. At about 50% travel, the leverage ratio begins to decrease as it moves to the bottom of the stroke. This gives the Occam a progressively firmer feel for control in fast bermed corners and through successive mid to large sized bump input.

    Lots of good information can be found at www dot orbea dot com/advanced-dynamics/en/
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    Any information regarding the weight of the XL- sized carbon Occam frameset?

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    Just got mine built up last night and took it out for a night ride tonight. Still need to play with the suspension settings mostly in the front to get a more balanced feeling. With a 120mm fork the front end seemed to want to wander a bit on steep switchbacks but it could be I'm just used to the steeper head angle of my hardtail.

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    Great looking bike!

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    Looks like I will be able to answer my own question shortly...
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    Sweet! Congrats! Ride report and more photos ASAP.

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    Also looking specifically for info on the hydro version
    Last edited by fultoejame; 12-07-2012 at 01:39 AM.

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    Here are a few pictures from today's shake-down ride. Before and during.

    I will post ride impressions after I have a few rides in. Still tweaking my position, shock setup, etc.

    Frame is size large, and weighed in at 3160g. A little heavier than I expected. I was hoping it would come in more like 6-6.5 lbs. The frame comes with the fox handle bar mount to control the CTD rear shock. I ran out of time last night and didn't install this yet, so my ride today was in the "D" (fully open) position.

    I have the 142x12 rear, which I really like. My first frame with this standard. Interestingly, the QR option is not a normal QR. Orbea provides a QR skewer that threads into the frame, just like the 142x12. It is just a 9mm axle instead of the 12mm Maxle. Typically you order the frame with one or the other, mine came with both due to a snafu with Orbea and the shop I purchased from (long story).

    @fultoejame - what did you want to know about the hydro version?
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    Forgot to mention, completed build weighed in at 26.3 lbs.

    I experimented with the TALAS fork at both 95mm and 120mm during today's ride. Both work well, but so far I like the 95mm better for my twisty trails.

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    Ride #2, and already on Occam 2.0. I adjusted the bar and saddle position, installed the CTD remote, and trimmed the rear brake line. Also stole my light carbon rimmed Roval wheels from my other bike to try out on the Occam.

    Today's ride was a bit of a bust. Started under a light drizzle which turned into a steady rain about 1/3 of the way through. So I was going slow and careful for most of the ride on very slick hardpack clay.

    Still, the improved position and the ability to run the shock in trail mode was a game changer. I am very much looking forward to putting the Occam through its paces in better conditions. I also realize that I have become spoiled with my fancy carbon wheels. Yesterday's ride seemed a little sluggish. Part of this was the wide open soft suspension setup, but a big part was also that I am not used to my heavier alloy wheels (which also have heavier tires mounted). The lighter wheel / tire combo definitely has more snap when you accelerate.

    On the CTD remote for the rear shock - When I unpacked the frame and realized it had the remote shock, my first thought was "ugh - gotta pay fox to get a normal lever" (Which is not an option, BTW. Fox says you cannot retrofit their remote shocks. You either get a remote one or not). I am a "set it and forget it" guy who has never had much use for shock lockouts. So I was surprised today at how much I liked having the remote. It is really a nice feature, and works well. My only gripe is that the remote lever seems MUCH larger than it needs to be and takes up a lot of bar space. Lucky that I am running 1x10 with no front derailleur, otherwise I would have had a much harder time finding a good spot for the remote.
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    AOK - I agree about the lever being kinda bulky but its size is kind of nice when on the trail. It hardly clears my XO gripshift. Have you weighed yours again after putting on the carbon Rovals? Nice build btw!





    Finally got a chance to install my rear maxle yesterday but haven't had a chance to ride it, won't likely feel much of a difference since I haven't had much time on it. My frame also came with both qr and 12x142 maxle, maybe they all come like that. I like you have only had 3 rides on mine so far and the last one was in pouring rain. It's absolutely killing me not be able to ride it with all this rain we have been getting.

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    @ mtb_dood:
    Swapping wheels saved almost a pound. 300-400 grams from the wheels, the rest from lighter tires.

    I think the weight was 25.4 lbs after the wheel swap. Probably added another 50-100 grams with the Fox remote and cable after I weighed it.

    Did you weigh your frame before you built it up? Curious to see a real world weight on the carbon frame.

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    Sweet bikes. Local bike show leroys bike works has them On demo. Bike is a more of a all mountain feelings set up

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    @ AOK
    I did not get a chance to weigh it since all I have is a lousy inaccurate bathroom scale, and I was in too big of a rush to get it built up to run it by the LBS to weigh it. I am curious to see what the complete bike weighs, hopefully in the 24-25lbs range would be fine with me. Which judging by your weights it should be right there.

    @springer912
    Yes the bike does seem a bit more slack then most other 4" travel bikes especially with a 120mm fork but I don't notice many negative effects on the handling yet. Hoping it will quit raining so damn much so I can get some proper riding in and get a good feel for the bike.

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    Any updates on the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_Frk View Post
    Any updates on the bike?
    I have put probably another ~100 miles on mine and has been great aside from a gripshift that decided to quit shifting. Most rides I have been on lately have been group rides or too cold to want to stop and make adjustments, but I think I have it pretty well sorted. I added the 12x142 maxle after a couple ride since the bike came with it but I can't say I noticed any increase in stiffness, but I hadn't ridden it a whole lot. One thing that did surprise me is how well the Racing Ralph tires have performed in the less than ideal riding conditions of winter.

    I did have it weighed while it was in for the shifter replacement and came to 25.5 lbs with bottle cage, pedals and mud. I was pretty happy with that as it doesn't really have any weight weenie parts, a solid build I don't have to be easy on.






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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_Frk View Post
    Any updates on the bike?
    Absolutely loving mine. Pretty much splitting my rides between my Occam and Orbea Alma hard tail these days.

    I really like the geometry of the Occam. It seems to be perfect for the tight twisty singletrack that I ride 99% of the time. I was worried that the Occam would not handle the tight stuff as well because it has a longer TT and wheelbase than most 29 FS bikes I have owned. Somehow the shorter chainstays and stem (relative to what I usually ride) make it work.

    Really liking the Fox remote lockout - despite thinking I would hate it (see above). Shows what I know.

    I am a wheels-on-the-ground XC type rider, but I have to say that the Occam feels very nice in the air on the rare occasion that I have launched it off of something. More balanced than most of my past 29er FS bikes.

    Just swapped my crankset for a new XX1 crank. I am running 1x10 with a type 2 XO derailleur. Quietest drivetrain I have ever had. I plan to run 1x10 for now, and maybe gradually buy the other parts I need for a full XX1 setup if I decide I want the increased gear range.

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    Thanks for the update. I am seriously considering getting the Al frame version. Apparently there are two different shocks that you can get, one with the handlebar remote and one without.
    Do you find that you change the shock setting quite a bit or just leave it for the most part?

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    I use the remote quite a bit. Especially on climbs.

    I think the shock on the cheaper occam frame also does not have kashima coat, fwiw.

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    Ok, I think you talked me into going with the nicer shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_Frk View Post
    Ok, I think you talked me into going with the nicer shock.
    Lol... Just let me know which shop you are buying from so I can claim my part of the sales commission!

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    Next question will be if Orbea has one in my size.

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    So anyone interested in a lightly used Occam 29?

    I made an impulse buy on a similar frame the other day and I don't have room for both, so I am trying to sell my almost-new Occam.

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    Can't wait for mine. Just ordered a red S30X. Got XTR brakes, shifters and cranks ready to go for it. I will also be adding a XTR shadow+ rear and a cassette.

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    I just got my Occam a few weeks back. I like it, but I'm not in love with it yet.
    On my first ride the front shifter stopped working. I took it back to the shop and the shifter should be here in the next week. The other issue I'm having is the flex in the front end. The shop says its the wheels I know they-re not the best but Ive never felt that kind of flex before on a bike. I bought new handle bar because the stock bars was too narrow. Other than that its a good bike.

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    I just bought my Ocam H20 today and went straight to the trails. These are mild trails virtually in my backyard which I've put hundreds of miles on with my Scott Scale 29er and a Marin Mount Vision Pro 26. I've never had a clearance problem until today. I love the bike a whole lot more nimble than I expected BUT I hit more rocks on my down stroke in 15 minutes than I have in 6 months. I've measured the clearance from the bottom bracket to the ground and there is 1/8 less than my other two bikes. I know there is sag involved because it's an FS. Is it possibly a rear shock adjustment or do I need to shorten my crank arms? Any advice is appreciated.

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    Anyone actually ridden an Orbea Occam 29?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyNfatman View Post
    I just bought my Ocam H20 today and went straight to the trails. These are mild trails virtually in my backyard which I've put hundreds of miles on with my Scott Scale 29er and a Marin Mount Vision Pro 26. I've never had a clearance problem until today. I love the bike a whole lot more nimble than I expected BUT I hit more rocks on my down stroke in 15 minutes than I have in 6 months. I've measured the clearance from the bottom bracket to the ground and there is 1/8 less than my other two bikes. I know there is sag involved because it's an FS. Is it possibly a rear shock adjustment or do I need to shorten my crank arms? Any advice is appreciated.
    I would give it a few more rides before you change anything. My experience when I have switched to bikes with lower BB heights is that after a few rides my mind starts to auto-correct on my pedal stroke to avoid pedal strikes. Once or twice over the years I have had bikes where I thought it was a nightmare of pedal strikes on the first ride only to find that I didn't experience any strikes at all after a few rides.

    Having said that, the combo of 100mm with a low-ish BB does seem to make the Occam prone to strikes. I would tend to play around with shock pressures before going with shorter cranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyNfatman View Post
    I just bought my Ocam H20 today and went straight to the trails. These are mild trails virtually in my backyard which I've put hundreds of miles on with my Scott Scale 29er and a Marin Mount Vision Pro 26. I've never had a clearance problem until today. I love the bike a whole lot more nimble than I expected BUT I hit more rocks on my down stroke in 15 minutes than I have in 6 months. I've measured the clearance from the bottom bracket to the ground and there is 1/8 less than my other two bikes. I know there is sag involved because it's an FS. Is it possibly a rear shock adjustment or do I need to shorten my crank arms? Any advice is appreciated.
    I'm surprised you're getting crank strikes when you weren't on your Marin. I too have owned a Marin MV, it had a lower BB height at weighted ride height. Plus it would blow through a bit more of it's initial travel vs the Occam.

    Are you using the same length cranks on all bikes? (I'm guessing you are)

    Maybe have a look at your pedalling technique and timing. You may be riding a bit heavy on the seat, but if you were, your Marin would be worse. Also check you are using the correct pressure in the shock, by using the recommended pressure guide inside the rear chain stay. Don't set your sag by shock stroke percentage. I've also got a Rallon and I mucked around with pressures to see how much better I could actually get the bike to perform, but found that the recommended pressure vs rider weight guide is IMO the best way to set up an Orbea for 'set and forget' type general purpose riding.

    Let us know how you go.

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    Thanks for the advice guys. I just put another 20lbs in the rear shock and problem solved. I had too much sag and I race motorcycles where I am weighting the inside peg at turn in. This I found I should ride more like a dirt bike (go figure). Started my turn in more crossed up and stopped weighting the inside clip. Along with the added air in the shock, problem solved. Again I appreciate the advice and the quick responses!

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    Good job! Update on my New Occam 29. H30

    Just wanted to give a update on my bike. The shifter got fixed and I replaced the stock handle bars with Race-face Turbine bars. I can see need the rear derailleur cable lengthen because of the wider bars. I still feel the flex in the front end. It has me worried because the bike shop says its nothing, they also say It can be the wheels. And haven't offered a solution. The flex feels like it is coming from the front shock. The bike feels fast on my local trail. I also can hear the rear hub creaking when I am breaking under force. I can reproduce the sound by locking the rear break and rocking the bike forwards and backwards. If anyone have any comments I would live to hear them. Other than that its starting to grow on me.


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    For the shock setup, has anyone used the fox app?

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    Funny that you should ask. I just downloaded the app this morning but I've been on the MX track all day so I'll check it all out tomorrow and report back in the evening.

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    Hey, what wheels came stock with your H30? Did you make any upgrades from the web page specs? And any idea about weight of the whole package? Looks good with the red bars!

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    I weigh about 200lbs and and after it scanned my shock it was saying 175 psi but then when I held my phone closer to the shock so it filled up the entire area it said about 215 psi. The 215 seemed better, but I am curious to see what other people are running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wladimir L Moquete View Post
    The bike feels fast on my local trail. I also can hear the rear hub creaking when I am breaking under force. I can reproduce the sound by locking the rear break and rocking the bike forwards and backwards. If anyone have any comments I would live to hear them.
    Is the cassette fully splined? I recently read an interesting blog post about that, but I doubt that's your problem. I just thought I would ask.

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    I used the Fox app on my Occam and it recommended 133 psi for my 185 lbs and found my sweet spot at 145 psi and mostly just leave it in the trail setting. The remote for the shock is simple to use and works flawlessly but I find myself forgetting to use it.

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    I just bought a Occam and love it! I put a 120 fork on it. Upgraded to a full XO kit and FSA carbon cockpit. Mavic SLR wheels round out the build. I just raced it at the 18 hours of Fruita and other then the dust giving me some problems, the bike was fantastic!
    Depending on how I have the CTD set the bike runs nice and plush to very firm. I have been running the suspension with the fork in either trail or descend and the shock in climb or trail. I guess that explains why I put the 120 fork on it! With the 120 fork on it, I feel a lot more confident on technical trails with a more slack front end. Plus with the 29er you can roll over stuff easier! This bike really does slay it. I recently broke my hand so other then riding a little over 100 miles during the Fruita race, I haven't been able to take it on a really long ride. I got into the Leadville 100 so I'll be doing a lot of long ones when my hand gets better!

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    I have one, the OREBA OCCAM H30x 29er. Let me tell you guys you are very wrong. I have had trek, Kona, Specialized, soft and hardtails, and 2 orbeas, this is my third ORBEA. There is just no comparison. you are looking at the peak of design and construction. You have to ride it, it's incredible. You can tell the difference with the rest. Believe me, you have to ride it to believe it. I have to confess that, in the field of bicycles, Europe in general, more specifically Spain, France, Italy and Germany, are way above the rest.

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    If you really take a clse look, what makes it very special is the length of the chainsaty. THere is no other so short. And the pivoting point is not behind but under the frame, so it gives the bike a lot more handling.

    I fell in love with the OCAM 29er on the first ride.

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    I might pull the trigger on a Occam 29er H30. Only issue I found in test riding a small is that the handle bars are too close. I think I need to ride a medium.

    I'm 5'7"

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    I might pull the trigger on a Occam 29er H30. Only issue I found in test riding a small is that the handle bars are too close. I think I need to ride a medium.

    I'm 5'7"

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    Bad news broken chain stay

    Sorry for the late reply. It was the cassette. The bike shop replaced it with a new one. I was riding great until I found a crack on the chain stay this weekend. It's back in the shop. Hopefully Orbea will send me a replacement fast. I will keep you posted.
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    I have one of the aluminum Occam's coming in about a week so I'm subscribing to this posting to learn more about them..

    I also have a few questions..

    What headset do I need to run (maverick fork with a 1 1/8" steer), I know is a "Integrated" headset from Orbeas site, but what type is the upper cup...? 40/41/44 "campy"...??

    What bottom bracket do I need to run my XTR 960 cranks...??

    Also about how much money cost the Maxle and the 12 x 142 adapters..??

    Thanks in advance..

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    So, did they replace the rear triangle?

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    is that a 2013 Fox CTD Evolution? or a different model? just wondering because I would love to get more information on that remote setup you have and if it's compatible with my rear shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post


    What bottom bracket do I need to run my XTR 960 cranks...??

    Now I'm confused is the BB a standard English or a press fit on the Hydro frame..!?

    Ps: very exited about this frame..

    Never mind I found the answer..
    Anyone actually ridden an Orbea Occam 29?-2012-orbea-occam-alloy-frame-details06-xl.jpg
    Last edited by patineto; 01-26-2014 at 08:43 PM.

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    My new Occam finally arrive, what a pretty frame, excellent attention to detail and good design all over, still missing the Headset (what a pain to find one, Orbea costumer/technical service is useless so far), Hope rear brake adapter and Mango King hub for the front wheel, besides that she is ready.


    What else but a Mango king hub for the wheel (I think the gold will look better but I like Mango more as a color), well now I just need to sell my front SD King (bearings to small for the diameter of the axle) so I can get a mango one that fits the Maverick 24mm axle.


    A little pennytech goes a long way..

    For the routing of the rear derailleur housing I need a "rollamajig", the problem with the one I have is that it was missing some very important parts (sphere and cup)

    First I drill a bicycle banjo bolt using two drills since a small hole was already there.


    Then used a grinder with a flapper wheel to round the hex sided head.


    Finally used a dremmel to make the concave shape.


    Now for the "ball" I try to drill into hardened steel bicycle ball bearing but obliviously that did not work to well so i went the "New Orleans" way with a cheap neckless, in lacks of a delrin/nylon sphere.


    The finally result, works just like the original, zero shifting problems.

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    The Ocaam is "Finally finish" well until next week at least when I get more toys for it.


    I got mango kings hubs because I love the color, but honestly it does not fit with the colors of the frame, so I order some gold ones that will be here next week, I love building wheels so is no big deal.


    This frame has the longest top tube I have ever try (25 1/4" I think) and I have to say it feels really good with the short stem.

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    I'm looking for a full-susp. 29er to go along with my hard tail.
    I'm curious about the Occam 29 M40. Looks gorgeous.
    however I just get a little insulted about being asked to spend $5k for a bike with so many SLX components. For $5k, I want a higher level of component spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gripper35 View Post
    I'm looking for a full-susp. 29er to go along with my hard tail.
    I'm curious about the Occam 29 M40. Looks gorgeous.
    however I just get a little insulted about being asked to spend $5k for a bike with so many SLX components. For $5k, I want a higher level of component spec.
    I can not comment on components and/or over all value since I got my frame by it self, but I can tell you the Occam is as well made as the best frames around, really happy with my purchase.

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    Glad to see you got your Occam squared away Patineto. Looks great! And to second your comment to the other poster........yes. Orbea frames are finely crafted. Great attention to detail. You are paying for that, not the component spec. Definitely not a cookie-cutter type bike company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocop View Post
    Glad to see you got your Occam squared away Patineto. Looks great!
    Yeah thanks for all the help, she is finally complete, well I just build a pair of Gold king wheels today since the orange look a little out of place (you can never have to many King hubs or any of their components for that matter), now I only need the Orbea Maxle kit but I will like not to pay full retail for it...


    And to second your comment to the other poster........yes. Orbea frames are finely crafted. Great attention to detail. You are paying for that, not the component spec. Definitely not a cookie-cutter type bike company.

    My feelings exactly this frames are world class quality in many facets..

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    This is how much I like this bike...

    I trade the mango king hubs for some gold ones (I will keep the Mango's for my Nicolai) and I also got matching gold nipples, it looks better in my eyes.


    Now I just wish the gold Hope seat collar was a little more alive.


    Oh so far is to much mud on the trails to really test the bike, but jumping sidewalks and stuff works great, very fun.

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    Two semi long rides on the Occam and I have to say is the best cross country bike I have ever ridden, it climbs like crazy and super fast, no wasted energy from the suspension and it also descents with tons of confidence, oh and "Jumps" great too (one foot drops/ramps), my only complain is that the water bottle is very difficult to get out when moving to the point you almost need to stop to get it out (maybe with some more practice), it also alters the shock settings when you move the water bottle out and this is on a size large frame..

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    Now that is not raining or muddy I'm riding the Occam every day on the trails, what a wonderful bike, besides a really annoying creak that I can not figure out where is coming from (I do have a 135mm rear end, also grease, clean, check all the bolts on everything) the bike is outstanding..

    I'm just lucky I have spotify..

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    I keep wondering why is no love for the Occam, yes I know trying to communicate with Orbea is pretty useless and that will make some people hesitant, but besides that the frame is really well made and rides extremely nice.

    To bad is raining around here so much since I'm dying to ride her in the trails..

    Que Viva Espana..

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    Just FYI chasing the creak on my frame I took all the suspension linkages apart and all the bearings where totally dry of any grease (very sad to see this) now the creak is gone, is actually very easy to do.

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    Reviving the death thread..

    I install a second water bottle cage on my Occam, using the appropriated tool, a "riv-nut" setter
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    I still need to get a silver "thick" water bottle cage, but besides that is working just fine.
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    No more heavy camelbag for me..
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    I picked up an Occam H20 a few weeks back and love it! It climbs just as good as my Alma, if not better. I'm climbing stuff that other stronger riders can't with their bikes. The traction with this design is great. Other then the XT hub issues (I'm not the only one with that problem if you google it), I'm very pleased. I'll be upgrading the wheel set tomorrow just in time for a Berryman loop here in central MO.

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    I realize this issue is mostly do to my odd setup but I post it anyway just in case, the other day I notice some strange shifting/skipping on my Occam, strange thing with a newly overhaul drivetrain and many new parts New chain/cassette/chainrings and pulley wheels), anyway I end up finding the shifter housing getting wedge in between the swingarm pivot nut and the derailleur, making for funky cable tension on the "rollamagic".
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    Well I end up with a very simple solution, a piece of high density foam cut in the shapes of the gap so the housing does "Not get in there", well it work perfectly, no shifting issues on today's ride.
    Anyone actually ridden an Orbea Occam 29?-img_5437-m.jpg

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    Help....!!

    The creaking came back, not as loud as before but is there and is driving crazy, I have used every trick I collect over 40 years of riding/working on Mountain bikes and none of them work..

    Yes I know earphones..

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    The Noise.. Oh the NOISE...!!

    I have taken the whole frame apart (and fork just in case), not only to check for cracks but to re-grease everything, even using antiseize in some junctions as a last resource and the creak still there..

    I need help, hints, possible fixes, yes I know I can ride with earphones, but I need to pump the volume so high I can not hear other riders when they want to pass me..

    I love my Occam but the noise is driving me insane..

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post
    The Noise.. Oh the NOISE...!!

    I have taken the whole frame apart (and fork just in case), not only to check for cracks but to re-grease everything, even using antiseize in some junctions as a last resource and the creak still there..

    I need help, hints, possible fixes, yes I know I can ride with earphones, but I need to pump the volume so high I can not hear other riders when they want to pass me..

    I love my Occam but the noise is driving me insane..
    Mine was creaking from the main pivot over the bb due to improper torque. I have a torque wrench and re-torqued the bolt to 16nm and also applied a liberal amount of Blue 242 Loctite. No more ghost creaks.

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    My rocket

    Anyone actually ridden an Orbea Occam 29?-20140426_182248.jpgAnyone actually ridden an Orbea Occam 29?-20140322_171917.jpg
    My current Occam 29 carbon with the race wheels/tires and as a trail rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post
    The Noise.. Oh the NOISE...!!

    I have taken the whole frame apart (and fork just in case), not only to check for cracks but to re-grease everything, even using antiseize in some junctions as a last resource and the creak still there..

    I need help, hints, possible fixes, yes I know I can ride with earphones, but I need to pump the volume so high I can not hear other riders when they want to pass me..

    I love my Occam but the noise is driving me insane..
    Patineto...did you figure the creaking out? I've got the exact same problem. I've taken the entire frame apart...same creaking almost as if it's in the downtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-hand-luke View Post
    Patineto...did you figure the creaking out? I've got the exact same problem. I've taken the entire frame apart...same creaking almost as if it's in the downtube.
    Sadly not I have run out of things to grease/check and torque, to the point I'm not riding the bike as much because I'm very frustrated

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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-hand-luke View Post
    Patineto...did you figure the creaking out? I've got the exact same problem. I've taken the entire frame apart...same creaking almost as if it's in the downtube.
    Actually I did find a forum call "ForoMTB" (in Espanol) with tons of Occam activity, better be since is from Espana..


    One posting has FORO MTB 12.000 postings

    And the other one has 3488 postings

    For now the consensus seems to be that the Fox fork has issues, but is also some unresolved cases too

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    How is it?

    I am ordering the Occam 29 M10 and looks like the same as yours. Curious how you like it. Whats the weight?

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    I found a (en Espanol) about bearing replacement on the Occam, funny they don't grease anything and they also don't mention any torque values (I still need to find them)

    Well at least is a start.
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Eqolur6YrwU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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    I think i finally found the issue, According to the consensus in the Spainer forum the Bearing "shell/sleeve" above the bottom bracket need to be "Locktide" in place, I'm suppose to leave it alone for 48hours (weird since is anaerobic catalysis) so I will tell you if it works later.

    You just push the sleeve (with a socket like it did or something of equal diameter) and it comes right out with a little effort clean and then reinstall.
    Anyone actually ridden an Orbea Occam 29?-photo-l.jpg

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    Also found this image with all the require bearings..
    Anyone actually ridden an Orbea Occam 29?-dibujo_rodamientos.jpg

    Ps: Check yours the come dry from the factory

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    Thanks for all your info. I'll check the pivot above the bottom bracket in more detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-hand-luke View Post
    Thanks for all your info. I'll check the pivot above the bottom bracket in more detail.
    The creak is Gone, No mas...!!

    What a delight riding on a silent bike, the persistent noise was driving me insane, stupid Orbea not to fix it at the factory, is so easy to do..

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    Sag video en Espanol but with subtitles..
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/2WcN8z2Hdcs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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    About 12 rides since I glue the "Bushing" and zero creaks, thanks for the Spaniers for the tip..

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    Anyone interested in a like new rear shock? Fox CTD Kashima with remote off of a Occam 29 carbon. I prefer the one without the remote and this one deserves to be on a bike! PM me if interested.

    And a few pics for good measure. I love this bike!








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    Mine still creaks.has since i bought it as a demo last fall.
    LBS replaced lower pivot with warranty part last week.
    Guess i need to get some tools,& learn somethings this winter.

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    Ha! Creak gone!
    For now at least.
    Crazy how i got so bent outta shape over it.
    It sounded very similar to before,but different.
    I thought my headset was creaking when turning as well as pivot.
    I was riding along *****ing to myself,reached down,& grabbed the
    front shifter cable housing that runs through frame,twisted it- creak gone.
    All of it.
    Lubed it up- smiling rider!

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post
    Reviving the death thread..

    I install a second water bottle cage on my Occam, using the appropriated tool, a "riv-nut" setter

    I still need to get a silver "thick" water bottle cage, but besides that is working just fine.

    No more heavy camelbag for me..
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    Neat idea, but that would get crushed on the first serious outing over the trails we ride around here...

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    BTW, I found this thread after I just bought a 2014 Occam H2O. Its my first new bike in 15 years, so the jump forward in tech is wonderful. I demo'd a bunch of 29ers over the last 2 years trying to make up my mind on a bike.

    Once I rode the Occam, I was sold - it was the first 29er I rode that felt responsive enough. Apparently its the short chain stays, but whatever it is, to me it feels like it has the perfect combination of 29er "roll over anything" stability with the agility of my old hardtail XC race bike.

    In fairness, I have always tended to prefer bikes more on the "twitchy" side as I'm a pretty aggressive rider and most of our trails that I ride are narrow and very technical with a lot of steep switchbacks and rutted rock gardens to pick through.

    I bought the whole bike built up with the XT & SLX parts and so far I'm very happy. The lack of chain slap from the new clutch-type derailleur is a thing of wonder!

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    Kind of a stupid question, but here goes. I can't really feel any difference between the 3 modes of the rear shock. I have a remote lever for it, is cable tight or cable loose the climb setting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_Frk View Post
    Kind of a stupid question, but here goes. I can't really feel any difference between the 3 modes of the rear shock. I have a remote lever for it, is cable tight or cable loose the climb setting?
    I think cable tight is climb. With no remote the shock defaults to descend mode, so I would assume that corresponds to cable loose (nothing pulling the cable).

    There was a definite difference between descend and trail modes when I had my occam, so there may be something wrong with your shock.

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